From tristil at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 23:09:44 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:09:44 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>

The new website design by Steven Knight is up at
www.alexandria-projects.org. This is a domain that I purchased
(someone is squatting on alexandria-project.org) and the site is being
served from a virtual server that I own (running Ubuntu Dapper). What
do people think about this? Will it be okay to serve the project
website from this server if access to it is kept relatively open? I
don't want to change the project website on Rubyforge to this domain
until I get some feedback on this.

Also, Steven Knight is our newest bonafide developer. We're always
looking for more.

-- 
-J. Method

From tristil at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 23:19:19 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Album covers
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704012019l548b070bqd27e8d8a3d7c423@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone using svn-trunk experienced dropped album covers, let alone
the "ghost book" problem I described in an earlier post? I need to
know if I've simply corrupted my own library or introduced a new bug.
Not only would many books be missing covers, but if you looked in the
.alexandria/Your Library directory you would find that the covers are
actually still there, only with different isbns from their yaml files.

-- 
-J. Method

From tristil at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 23:40:45 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:40:45 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
In-Reply-To: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
References: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704092040s7d56ff81q3aa4a65e835010d5@mail.gmail.com>

An update on this. I just converted the site at
www.alexandria-projects.org to a RadiantCMS site, preserving Steven
Knight's menu layout and css. I chose Radiant because it will allow
any interested developers to edit the website through-the-web, down to
html structure and stylesheets. The only thing that it doesn't allow
for is image and file uploads. Another reason I chose Radiant is that
they recently released a gem showing off an 'extensions' system
similar to Django's component architecture. I plan to use this
extensions system to integrate  other rails applications into this
system (that's why the wiki link doesn't go anywhere).

Anyone who would like access to the admin system just send me an email
and I'll hook you up.

On 4/1/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> The new website design by Steven Knight is up at
> www.alexandria-projects.org. This is a domain that I purchased
> (someone is squatting on alexandria-project.org) and the site is being
> served from a virtual server that I own (running Ubuntu Dapper). What
> do people think about this? Will it be okay to serve the project
> website from this server if access to it is kept relatively open? I
> don't want to change the project website on Rubyforge to this domain
> until I get some feedback on this.
>
> Also, Steven Knight is our newest bonafide developer. We're always
> looking for more.
>
> --
> -J. Method
>


-- 
-J. Method

From lennart at karssen.org  Tue Apr 10 04:21:19 2007
From: lennart at karssen.org (L.C. Karssen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:21:19 +0000
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
In-Reply-To: <167b6aa00704092040s7d56ff81q3aa4a65e835010d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
	<167b6aa00704092040s7d56ff81q3aa4a65e835010d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1176193279.6337.13.camel@barabas.karssen.org>

Hi all,

Good work on the website! It looks very refreshed and well structured. 

I noticed that the features page states that the CueCat is supported.
I've been waiting for that for a long time. If I remember correctly, the
CueCat was/is only supported in a 2.4 kernel by a long since
abandonwared driver (cf. e.g.
http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.alexandria/2006-01/msg00038.html and
http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.alexandria/2006-01/msg00002.html). Using
the CueCat with a 2.6 kernel without driver results in strange window
behaviour, apparently because it sends an Alt-F10 keycode
(http://www.mail-archive.com/devel at xfree86.org/msg07517.html, last
reply).
It might be that USB CueCats are supported, though. I only have the PS/2
version. 

So we might want to remove the CueCat statement from the web page until
the userland support is really there. 


Lennart.

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 23:40 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> An update on this. I just converted the site at
> www.alexandria-projects.org to a RadiantCMS site, preserving Steven
> Knight's menu layout and css. I chose Radiant because it will allow
> any interested developers to edit the website through-the-web, down to
> html structure and stylesheets. The only thing that it doesn't allow
> for is image and file uploads. Another reason I chose Radiant is that
> they recently released a gem showing off an 'extensions' system
> similar to Django's component architecture. I plan to use this
> extensions system to integrate  other rails applications into this
> system (that's why the wiki link doesn't go anywhere).
> 
> Anyone who would like access to the admin system just send me an email
> and I'll hook you up.
> 
> On 4/1/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The new website design by Steven Knight is up at
> > www.alexandria-projects.org. This is a domain that I purchased
> > (someone is squatting on alexandria-project.org) and the site is being
> > served from a virtual server that I own (running Ubuntu Dapper). What
> > do people think about this? Will it be okay to serve the project
> > website from this server if access to it is kept relatively open? I
> > don't want to change the project website on Rubyforge to this domain
> > until I get some feedback on this.
> >
> > Also, Steven Knight is our newest bonafide developer. We're always
> > looking for more.
> >
> > --
> > -J. Method
> >
> 
> 
-- 
----------------------------------------------------
L.C. Karssen
lennart at karssen.org

Stuur me aub geen Word of Powerpoint bestanden!
Zie http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.nl.html
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From tristil at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 09:41:53 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:41:53 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
In-Reply-To: <1176193279.6337.13.camel@barabas.karssen.org>
References: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
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Just out of curiosity, I received a CueCat (since lost) with my WIRED
subscription. Is that where everyone else got theirs?

And in seriousness, is there a barcode scanner that we can recommend
through the website?

On 4/10/07, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Good work on the website! It looks very refreshed and well structured.
>
> I noticed that the features page states that the CueCat is supported.
> I've been waiting for that for a long time. If I remember correctly, the
> CueCat was/is only supported in a 2.4 kernel by a long since
> abandonwared driver (cf. e.g.
> http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.alexandria/2006-01/msg00038.html and
> http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.alexandria/2006-01/msg00002.html). Using
> the CueCat with a 2.6 kernel without driver results in strange window
> behaviour, apparently because it sends an Alt-F10 keycode
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/devel at xfree86.org/msg07517.html, last
> reply).
> It might be that USB CueCats are supported, though. I only have the PS/2
> version.
>
> So we might want to remove the CueCat statement from the web page until
> the userland support is really there.
>
>
> Lennart.
>
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 23:40 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> > An update on this. I just converted the site at
> > www.alexandria-projects.org to a RadiantCMS site, preserving Steven
> > Knight's menu layout and css. I chose Radiant because it will allow
> > any interested developers to edit the website through-the-web, down to
> > html structure and stylesheets. The only thing that it doesn't allow
> > for is image and file uploads. Another reason I chose Radiant is that
> > they recently released a gem showing off an 'extensions' system
> > similar to Django's component architecture. I plan to use this
> > extensions system to integrate  other rails applications into this
> > system (that's why the wiki link doesn't go anywhere).
> >
> > Anyone who would like access to the admin system just send me an email
> > and I'll hook you up.
> >
> > On 4/1/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The new website design by Steven Knight is up at
> > > www.alexandria-projects.org. This is a domain that I purchased
> > > (someone is squatting on alexandria-project.org) and the site is being
> > > served from a virtual server that I own (running Ubuntu Dapper). What
> > > do people think about this? Will it be okay to serve the project
> > > website from this server if access to it is kept relatively open? I
> > > don't want to change the project website on Rubyforge to this domain
> > > until I get some feedback on this.
> > >
> > > Also, Steven Knight is our newest bonafide developer. We're always
> > > looking for more.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -J. Method
> > >
> >
> >
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------
> L.C. Karssen
> lennart at karssen.org
>
> Stuur me aub geen Word of Powerpoint bestanden!
> Zie http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.nl.html
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alexandria-list mailing list
> Alexandria-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/alexandria-list
>
>


-- 
-J. Method

From lennart at karssen.org  Tue Apr 10 10:00:27 2007
From: lennart at karssen.org (L.C. Karssen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:00:27 +0000
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
In-Reply-To: <167b6aa00704100641u53bc334x6a40398d15f3daea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
	<167b6aa00704092040s7d56ff81q3aa4a65e835010d5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<167b6aa00704100641u53bc334x6a40398d15f3daea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1176213627.31586.44.camel@rubidium01>

On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 09:41 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I received a CueCat (since lost) with my WIRED
> subscription. Is that where everyone else got theirs?
I got mine from a friend in the US, who picked it up at a Radio Shack,
when they were still distributed officially. I used it when I tried to
program my own Alexandria-type software years ago (with the 2.4 kernel).
It's been waiting for serious usage ever since :-).


Lennart.
> 
> And in seriousness, is there a barcode scanner that we can recommend
> through the website?
> 
> On 4/10/07, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Good work on the website! It looks very refreshed and well structured.
> >
> > I noticed that the features page states that the CueCat is supported.
> > I've been waiting for that for a long time. If I remember correctly, the
> > CueCat was/is only supported in a 2.4 kernel by a long since
> > abandonwared driver (cf. e.g.
> > http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.alexandria/2006-01/msg00038.html and
> > http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.alexandria/2006-01/msg00002.html). Using
> > the CueCat with a 2.6 kernel without driver results in strange window
> > behaviour, apparently because it sends an Alt-F10 keycode
> > (http://www.mail-archive.com/devel at xfree86.org/msg07517.html, last
> > reply).
> > It might be that USB CueCats are supported, though. I only have the PS/2
> > version.
> >
> > So we might want to remove the CueCat statement from the web page until
> > the userland support is really there.
> >
> >
> > Lennart.
> >
> > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 23:40 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> > > An update on this. I just converted the site at
> > > www.alexandria-projects.org to a RadiantCMS site, preserving Steven
> > > Knight's menu layout and css. I chose Radiant because it will allow
> > > any interested developers to edit the website through-the-web, down to
> > > html structure and stylesheets. The only thing that it doesn't allow
> > > for is image and file uploads. Another reason I chose Radiant is that
> > > they recently released a gem showing off an 'extensions' system
> > > similar to Django's component architecture. I plan to use this
> > > extensions system to integrate  other rails applications into this
> > > system (that's why the wiki link doesn't go anywhere).
> > >
> > > Anyone who would like access to the admin system just send me an email
> > > and I'll hook you up.
> > >
> > > On 4/1/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The new website design by Steven Knight is up at
> > > > www.alexandria-projects.org. This is a domain that I purchased
> > > > (someone is squatting on alexandria-project.org) and the site is being
> > > > served from a virtual server that I own (running Ubuntu Dapper). What
> > > > do people think about this? Will it be okay to serve the project
> > > > website from this server if access to it is kept relatively open? I
> > > > don't want to change the project website on Rubyforge to this domain
> > > > until I get some feedback on this.
> > > >
> > > > Also, Steven Knight is our newest bonafide developer. We're always
> > > > looking for more.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -J. Method
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > L.C. Karssen
> > lennart at karssen.org
> >
> > Stuur me aub geen Word of Powerpoint bestanden!
> > Zie http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.nl.html
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Alexandria-list mailing list
> > Alexandria-list at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/alexandria-list
> >
> >
> 
> 
-- 
----------------------------------------------------
L.C. Karssen
lennart at karssen.org

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From tristil at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 10:19:59 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:19:59 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
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But it was free right? Mine came in a box in the mail. I had no idea
what it was, or what I would use it for, and eventually threw it away
:(. I am thinking that we should replace the CueCat description with a
plug for another barcode scanner that works with Linux, the way that
Delicious Library sells a (very expensive) barcode scanner on their
web page. Can anyone make a recommendation for a (preferably cheap)
barcode scanner that works?

An organizational matter is that the new site no longer has Google
ads. I think it still has an Amazon link somewhere. And I think
Alexandria itself uses an Amazon code that belongs to Laurent
Sansonetti (right?). There are very small sums of money involved, but
we have no capacity to collect them, and probably don't want one
until/if the project grows larger. I am just pointing that out, as
there might come a time when something like a foundation would be a
good idea (far, far off, but I am very ambitious :)).

On 4/10/07, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 09:41 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, I received a CueCat (since lost) with my WIRED
> > subscription. Is that where everyone else got theirs?
> I got mine from a friend in the US, who picked it up at a Radio Shack,
> when they were still distributed officially. I used it when I tried to
> program my own Alexandria-type software years ago (with the 2.4 kernel).
> It's been waiting for serious usage ever since :-).
>
>
> Lennart.

-- 
-J. Method

From lennart at karssen.org  Tue Apr 10 11:21:46 2007
From: lennart at karssen.org (L.C. Karssen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:21:46 +0000
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
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On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:19 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> But it was free right? Mine came in a box in the mail. I had no idea
> what it was, or what I would use it for, and eventually threw it away
> :(. 
That's bad...

I just searched the alexandria list again for cuecat support and I found
that Christoffer Cyll actually made a userland support patch for kernel
2.6 in February 2005:
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2005-February/000454.html
Later Zach Landau asked about it again:
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2005-July/000736.html
The question is whether it was actually implemented at all? In reply to 
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2005-September/000826.html about "activating userland cuecat support version 0.6.0" Laurent S. states: 
> Currently it is unfortunately not possible to activate the CueCat 
> userland support.  This will be available in the next release, but the
> latest one is still using the kernel driver.

Later Laurent writes in a thread about Cuecat issues that userland support is available in CVS,
with a skeleton for a UI: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2006-January/001003.html
Does that mean that it
One thing that is not yet clear to me is whether this support is for a declawed CueCat or not, 
and whether we're talking about the PS/2 or the USB type.



> I am thinking that we should replace the CueCat description with a
> plug for another barcode scanner that works with Linux, the way that
> Delicious Library sells a (very expensive) barcode scanner on their
> web page. Can anyone make a recommendation for a (preferably cheap)
> barcode scanner that works?

On the subject of other barcode scanners I found these threads on the
ML:
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2005-February/000452.html
for a Flick batch scanner (www.flickscanner.com), about $130,- and a
Bear Rock 3000 scanner about which a quick search didn't reveal
anything.

http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2005-March/000503.html
where Ralph Mitchell claims that a declawed USB cuecat works with kernel
2.6.

http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2005-August/000801.html
about a Symbol Technologies barcode scanner via PS/2

None of them appear to be really cheap. 


Lennart.

> 
> An organizational matter is that the new site no longer has Google
> ads. I think it still has an Amazon link somewhere. And I think
> Alexandria itself uses an Amazon code that belongs to Laurent
> Sansonetti (right?). There are very small sums of money involved, but
> we have no capacity to collect them, and probably don't want one
> until/if the project grows larger. I am just pointing that out, as
> there might come a time when something like a foundation would be a
> good idea (far, far off, but I am very ambitious :)).
> 
> On 4/10/07, L.C. Karssen <lennart at karssen.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 09:41 -0400, Joseph Method wrote:
> > > Just out of curiosity, I received a CueCat (since lost) with my WIRED
> > > subscription. Is that where everyone else got theirs?
> > I got mine from a friend in the US, who picked it up at a Radio Shack,
> > when they were still distributed officially. I used it when I tried to
> > program my own Alexandria-type software years ago (with the 2.4 kernel).
> > It's been waiting for serious usage ever since :-).
> >
> >
> > Lennart.
> 
-- 
----------------------------------------------------
L.C. Karssen
Utrecht
The Netherlands

lennart at karssen.org

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From potter.lissa at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 11:45:47 2007
From: potter.lissa at gmail.com (Lissa Potter)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:45:47 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
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On 4/10/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> But it was free right? Mine came in a box in the mail. I had no idea
> what it was, or what I would use it for, and eventually threw it away
> :(. I am thinking that we should replace the CueCat description with a
> plug for another barcode scanner that works with Linux, the way that
> Delicious Library sells a (very expensive) barcode scanner on their
> web page. Can anyone make a recommendation for a (preferably cheap)
> barcode scanner that works?

The problem is that the CueCat is about the only cheap scanner out
there. There are a ton of different kinds of scanners, most over
US$100 used. Some attach via USB, some via PS2, some require keyboard
wedges, some are serial. Then there are the pen scanners, which have
never worked well.

This is how the CueCat ended up being the defacto cheapie scanner.
They are all over eBay, neutered or not. Even though it is a pen-type
scanner, they work well enough, especially for the price.

If someone wants to get the CueCat working with the 2.6 kernel series,
I would be willing to donate one to them.

Be well,
Lissa

From vanous at penguin.cz  Tue Apr 10 12:04:12 2007
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:04:12 +0200
Subject: [Alexandria-list] CueCat scanners, was: Website
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	<167b6aa00704100719gea0598dubc3624c5d5d607d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2d69c130704100845l5412b33fk98db3f2cac4ee448@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070410180412.1af01d3b@localhost>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:45:47 -0400
"Lissa Potter" <potter.lissa at gmail.com> (LP) wrote:

LP> On 4/10/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
LP> > But it was free right? Mine came in a box in the mail. I had no
LP> > idea what it was, or what I would use it for, and eventually
LP> > threw it away :(. I am thinking that we should replace the CueCat
LP> > description with a plug for another barcode scanner that works
LP> > with Linux, the way that Delicious Library sells a (very
LP> > expensive) barcode scanner on their web page. Can anyone make a
LP> > recommendation for a (preferably cheap) barcode scanner that
LP> > works?
LP> 
LP> The problem is that the CueCat is about the only cheap scanner out
LP> there. There are a ton of different kinds of scanners, most over
LP> US$100 used. Some attach via USB, some via PS2, some require
LP> keyboard wedges, some are serial. Then there are the pen scanners,
LP> which have never worked well.


I would disagree. After similiar kind of discussions i got the CueCat
long time ago. I got it working with 2.4 kernel and have to say that the
result was terrible: i guess i had one correct scan out of five. After
this I got a "regular" scanner through ebay for less than 30$ and am
very happy ever since. This was about 18months ago. Currently I can
administer my library without a choke when friends of mine come and get
some books - one scan to get a book included into library, second
scan to set it as borrowed. No second scanning, except when i have to
switch keyboard to disable my Czech character on the numeric keys.

If you have better results with the CueCat, lucky you :-)

Cheers

-- 
Petr
-------------------------
Petr Vanek               
                         
mailto:vanous at penguin.cz 
http://vanous.penguin.cz 
http://biodynamika.cz    
-------------------------
                      


From christophercyll at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 15:39:42 2007
From: christophercyll at gmail.com (Topher Cyll)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] CueCat scanners, was: Website
In-Reply-To: <20070410180412.1af01d3b@localhost>
References: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
	<167b6aa00704092040s7d56ff81q3aa4a65e835010d5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20070410180412.1af01d3b@localhost>
Message-ID: <2599499e0704101239w360cdbe7nec1147637c3e7e65@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I'm the author of userland cuecat code in Alexandria cvs.  It's been a
very long time, but here's what I can tell you.

Both the original kernel driver and my userland code are for
unmodified cuecats.  If you've defanged your cuecat you don't need any
special code since it will just output barcodes as plain text.

Unmodified cuecat input comes in as regular keyboard input, but it's
encoded.  There was a kernel driver that intercepted that data and
then passed it on up to userspace decoded, but it was brittle (and
never made the jump to 2.4 I think) and it was overkill anyways.

The "userland" code I submitted doesn't touch the kernel at all.  It
provides two Ruby methods, one that checks to see if a string looks
like cuecat input and one to translate a cuecat encoded string into a
barcode.

This is great for Alexandria, because all we needed to do for the UI
was to remove the character limit on the ISBN input field so that
cuecat input fits inside.  Then you just check to see if the input
looks like cuecat input before import and translate it into a barcode.

I actually found the cuecat to be a very reliable source of input,
especially if you provide good feed back to the user (a "good"
beep/"bad" beep, or a green or red flash or whatever) so they can
rescan if there were errors.

I may however, be the only the one who has ever successfully used the
userland cuecat code with Alexandria, because Laurent and I held off
committing my UI code changes because he was working on a revised GUI
at the time.

Anyways, it should be relatively easy to get working if someone is
interested, and I'd be happy to provide help.

The one concern (as someone pointed out) is that the cuecat sends
Alt-F10 before it sends the rest of it's encoding (the key combo was
designed to get the attention of the windows software the cuecats
originally shipped with).  If a window manager has bound an action to
that key pair, you can get some exciting results.  Of course, maybe
it's possible we could grab that hotkey to popup an Alexandria Add
Book window...?

Great to see Alexandria moving again!
Topher Cyll


On 4/10/07, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:45:47 -0400
> "Lissa Potter" <potter.lissa at gmail.com> (LP) wrote:
>
> LP> On 4/10/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> LP> > But it was free right? Mine came in a box in the mail. I had no
> LP> > idea what it was, or what I would use it for, and eventually
> LP> > threw it away :(. I am thinking that we should replace the CueCat
> LP> > description with a plug for another barcode scanner that works
> LP> > with Linux, the way that Delicious Library sells a (very
> LP> > expensive) barcode scanner on their web page. Can anyone make a
> LP> > recommendation for a (preferably cheap) barcode scanner that
> LP> > works?
> LP>
> LP> The problem is that the CueCat is about the only cheap scanner out
> LP> there. There are a ton of different kinds of scanners, most over
> LP> US$100 used. Some attach via USB, some via PS2, some require
> LP> keyboard wedges, some are serial. Then there are the pen scanners,
> LP> which have never worked well.
>
>
> I would disagree. After similiar kind of discussions i got the CueCat
> long time ago. I got it working with 2.4 kernel and have to say that the
> result was terrible: i guess i had one correct scan out of five. After
> this I got a "regular" scanner through ebay for less than 30$ and am
> very happy ever since. This was about 18months ago. Currently I can
> administer my library without a choke when friends of mine come and get
> some books - one scan to get a book included into library, second
> scan to set it as borrowed. No second scanning, except when i have to
> switch keyboard to disable my Czech character on the numeric keys.
>
> If you have better results with the CueCat, lucky you :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Petr
> -------------------------
> Petr Vanek
>
> mailto:vanous at penguin.cz
> http://vanous.penguin.cz
> http://biodynamika.cz
> -------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alexandria-list mailing list
> Alexandria-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/alexandria-list
>

From lennart at karssen.org  Tue Apr 10 16:48:58 2007
From: lennart at karssen.org (L.C. Karssen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:48:58 +0000
Subject: [Alexandria-list] CueCat scanners, was: Website
In-Reply-To: <2599499e0704101239w360cdbe7nec1147637c3e7e65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <167b6aa00704012009x6d12ef1aw5d4aff44094b0183@mail.gmail.com>
	<167b6aa00704092040s7d56ff81q3aa4a65e835010d5@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1176238138.6470.11.camel@barabas.karssen.org>

On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 15:39 -0400, Topher Cyll wrote:
> Hi folks,
Hi Topher, 

Glad to see you're still on the list :-).

> 
> I'm the author of userland cuecat code in Alexandria cvs.  It's been a
> very long time, but here's what I can tell you.
> 
> Both the original kernel driver and my userland code are for
> unmodified cuecats.  If you've defanged your cuecat you don't need any
> special code since it will just output barcodes as plain text.
IIRC defanging the CueCat didn't really help in my case, but I might be
wrong. It's been quite a while since I tried to work with it. 

> 
> Unmodified cuecat input comes in as regular keyboard input, but it's
> encoded.  There was a kernel driver that intercepted that data and
> then passed it on up to userspace decoded, but it was brittle (and
> never made the jump to 2.4 I think) and it was overkill anyways.
Of course a kernel driver would be able to intercept the Alt-F10
sequence and dump it to /dev/null when followed by CueCat input. Single
Alt-F10's would be passed on to the windowmanager. I guess it's
impossible to realise that in userland, right?

> I may however, be the only the one who has ever successfully used the
> userland cuecat code with Alexandria, because Laurent and I held off
> committing my UI code changes because he was working on a revised GUI
> at the time.
Would it be possible to merge them in now? Joseph?

> 
> Anyways, it should be relatively easy to get working if someone is
> interested, and I'd be happy to provide help.
I'd love to see working CueCat support in Alexandria!

> 
> The one concern (as someone pointed out) is that the cuecat sends
> Alt-F10 before it sends the rest of it's encoding (the key combo was
> designed to get the attention of the windows software the cuecats
> originally shipped with).  If a window manager has bound an action to
> that key pair, you can get some exciting results.  Of course, maybe
> it's possible we could grab that hotkey to popup an Alexandria Add
> Book window...?
Both in Gnome's own window messenger Metacity and in Beryl Alt-F10 is
bound to "Maximize Window". Of course this is easily changed and I guess
it will only result in the maximisation of the Alexandria window, since
multiple Alt-F10's don't do anything.

I guess it's time for me to look for the Cat again.

> 
> Great to see Alexandria moving again!
> Topher Cyll
> 
> 
> On 4/10/07, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:45:47 -0400
> > "Lissa Potter" <potter.lissa at gmail.com> (LP) wrote:
> >
> > LP> On 4/10/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> > LP> > But it was free right? Mine came in a box in the mail. I had no
> > LP> > idea what it was, or what I would use it for, and eventually
> > LP> > threw it away :(. I am thinking that we should replace the CueCat
> > LP> > description with a plug for another barcode scanner that works
> > LP> > with Linux, the way that Delicious Library sells a (very
> > LP> > expensive) barcode scanner on their web page. Can anyone make a
> > LP> > recommendation for a (preferably cheap) barcode scanner that
> > LP> > works?
> > LP>
> > LP> The problem is that the CueCat is about the only cheap scanner out
> > LP> there. There are a ton of different kinds of scanners, most over
> > LP> US$100 used. Some attach via USB, some via PS2, some require
> > LP> keyboard wedges, some are serial. Then there are the pen scanners,
> > LP> which have never worked well.
> >
> >
> > I would disagree. After similiar kind of discussions i got the CueCat
> > long time ago. I got it working with 2.4 kernel and have to say that the
> > result was terrible: i guess i had one correct scan out of five. After
> > this I got a "regular" scanner through ebay for less than 30$ and am
> > very happy ever since. This was about 18months ago. Currently I can
> > administer my library without a choke when friends of mine come and get
> > some books - one scan to get a book included into library, second
> > scan to set it as borrowed. No second scanning, except when i have to
> > switch keyboard to disable my Czech character on the numeric keys.
> >
> > If you have better results with the CueCat, lucky you :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> > Petr
> > -------------------------
> > Petr Vanek
> >
> > mailto:vanous at penguin.cz
> > http://vanous.penguin.cz
> > http://biodynamika.cz
> > -------------------------
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Alexandria-list mailing list
> > Alexandria-list at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/alexandria-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Alexandria-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/alexandria-list
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From christophercyll at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 17:53:00 2007
From: christophercyll at gmail.com (Topher Cyll)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:53:00 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] CueCat scanners, was: Website
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> Of course a kernel driver would be able to intercept the Alt-F10
> sequence and dump it to /dev/null when followed by CueCat input. Single
> Alt-F10's would be passed on to the windowmanager. I guess it's

Yeah, unless someone has some trick to intercept them or something.

> Both in Gnome's own window messenger Metacity and in Beryl Alt-F10 is
> bound to "Maximize Window". Of course this is easily changed and I guess
> it will only result in the maximisation of the Alexandria window, since
> multiple Alt-F10's don't do anything.

That's a bummer.  A note in the documentation about how to disable
that in Gnome and KDE might be sufficient, though, since Cuecat use
probably requires instructions anyways.

Toph

From waldner at waldner.priv.at  Wed Apr 11 06:42:17 2007
From: waldner at waldner.priv.at (Robert Waldner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:42:17 +0200
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Website
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:41:53 EDT."
	<167b6aa00704100641u53bc334x6a40398d15f3daea@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:41:53 EDT, "Joseph Method" writes:
>And in seriousness, is there a barcode scanner that we can recommend
>through the website?

The problem is that there's about a gazillion handheld barcode scanners 
 out there, although most are just a different label around a small 
 selection of chipsets (Weltrend etc.). I'd recommend buying one with USB
 connection and about 80mm scan width (so no "pen"-style), they cost
 under $50 at ebay or amazon, and usually Just Work.

For example, I'd expect both of those to just work:
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Barcode-Scanner-Handheld-CCD-bar-code-reader-NEW_W0QQitemZ140104333899QQihZ004QQcategoryZ46706QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.amazon.com/Hand-Contact-Barcode-Scanner-Brand/dp/B000BL1MS2

cheers,
&rw
-- 
-- "Entschwefeltes Geschwafel von Enteiten Schmarotzern."
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From tristil at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:17:06 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:17:06 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Other "jobs"
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704110717k14786fadh630fc4c3a335903e@mail.gmail.com>

In addition to the roles I described in this post:
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/alexandria-list/2007-March/001236.html

here are some others. Please respond on the list or in private if you
are interested in:

- Tending the website at http://www.alexandria-projects.org . This
could be less than website design (although a certain comfort level
with html is required by the software) and just consist of editing the
content.

- Translating project materials. These are things beyond the strings
in the actual application. For example, we could provide translations
of the README and TODO files. There is also an extension to provide
language-specific content on the website. I am especially interested
in getting translations of this document:
http://rubyforge.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=11581 to post to
non-English lists. The most important language to get translated IMO
is Japanese, because I have a theory that there is the motherlode of
non-English-proficient Ruby programmers. :)

- Please volunteer your own made-up roles, whether you're personally
interested in doing them or not.
-- 
-J. Method

From vanous at penguin.cz  Thu Apr 12 12:37:41 2007
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:37:41 +0200
Subject: [Alexandria-list] no startup after an upgrade
Message-ID: <20070412183741.718b8255@localhost>

Hi all,

well, i screwed up. I tried to get the latest version through svn:

svn checkout svn://rubyforge.org/var/svn/alexandria

then i installed it according to the readme. I had previously ran a svn
version as well. This time, alexandria won't start up and will
endlessly complain about isbn yaml name not being correct.

I think to remember discussion about changing the isbn structure, any
help to convert them correctly?


thank you very much

Petr


debian unstable

vanous at roznov:~$ alexandria
Can't load image_size, hence exported libraries are not optimized
Can't load mechanize, hence provider Deastore not available
Can't load Ruby/ZOOM, hence Z39.50 and providers Library of Congress,
British Li brary not available -----------------------
Alexandria just crashed
-----------------------
Timestamp: ?t dub 12 18:36:21 +0200 2007
Message: undefined method `isbn' for false:FalseClass
Backtrace:
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:79:in `load'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:73:in `each'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:73:in `load'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:72:in `chdir'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:72:in `load'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:179:in `loadall'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:173:in `each'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:173:in `loadall'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:578:in `reload'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui/main_app.rb:399:in
`load_libraries' /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui/main_app.rb:162:in
`initialize' /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui.rb:57:in `new'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui.rb:57:in `main'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria.rb:75:in `main'
/usr/bin/alexandria:10
Release: CVS
Uname -a: Linux roznov 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007
i686 GNU/ Linux




-- 
bye
Petr
-------------------------
Petr Vanek               
                         
mailto:vanous at penguin.cz 
http://vanous.penguin.cz 
http://biodynamika.cz    
-------------------------
                      


From tristil at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 10:34:44 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:34:44 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] no startup after an upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20070412183741.718b8255@localhost>
References: <20070412183741.718b8255@localhost>
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704130734r58337375s5aadfe156c133d14@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Peter. First, let me apologize for your library getting screwed
up. If we had a proper array of unit tests, it would be safe to follow
along in svn. One day we'll get everything running smoothly.

Have you tried running with alexandria --debug? There's a lot of
output, but if you see anything interesting, could you copy it to the
list?

On 4/12/07, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> well, i screwed up. I tried to get the latest version through svn:
>
> svn checkout svn://rubyforge.org/var/svn/alexandria
>
> then i installed it according to the readme. I had previously ran a svn
> version as well. This time, alexandria won't start up and will
> endlessly complain about isbn yaml name not being correct.
>
> I think to remember discussion about changing the isbn structure, any
> help to convert them correctly?
>
>
> thank you very much
>
> Petr
>
>
> debian unstable
>
> vanous at roznov:~$ alexandria
> Can't load image_size, hence exported libraries are not optimized
> Can't load mechanize, hence provider Deastore not available
> Can't load Ruby/ZOOM, hence Z39.50 and providers Library of Congress,
> British Li brary not available -----------------------
> Alexandria just crashed
> -----------------------
> Timestamp: ?t dub 12 18:36:21 +0200 2007
> Message: undefined method `isbn' for false:FalseClass
> Backtrace:
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:79:in `load'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:73:in `each'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:73:in `load'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:72:in `chdir'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:72:in `load'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:179:in `loadall'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:173:in `each'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:173:in `loadall'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/library.rb:578:in `reload'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui/main_app.rb:399:in
> `load_libraries' /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui/main_app.rb:162:in
> `initialize' /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui.rb:57:in `new'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui.rb:57:in `main'
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria.rb:75:in `main'
> /usr/bin/alexandria:10
> Release: CVS
> Uname -a: Linux roznov 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007
> i686 GNU/ Linux
>
>
>
>
> --
> bye
> Petr
> -------------------------
> Petr Vanek
>
> mailto:vanous at penguin.cz
> http://vanous.penguin.cz
> http://biodynamika.cz
> -------------------------
>
>
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From liamjdavison at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 09:46:24 2007
From: liamjdavison at gmail.com (Liam Davison)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:46:24 +0100
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Documenting Alexandria
Message-ID: <dd857a120704270646l6cf1bc0aw960655562726e374@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I'm Liam Davison, and I wrote the original documentation for
Alexandria, and I would be happy to help out with testing and
documentation again. I've downloaded SVN and had a quick run - didn't
go very well, I'm afraid - but I'll run proper tests over the weekend.

I'm glad that Alexandria has been resurrected, and kudos to the
designer of the new website - looks good.

I used to develop a parallel fork of Alexandria, called Carnegie,
which I hoped would be useful for publishers maintaining catalogues of
their own books. It was designed to have comprehensive support for
ONIX, but didn't get very far. Alexandria's current ONIX export
function produces files which aren't valid because Alexandria doesn't
store enough information.

If anyone would like to know more about Carnegie or ONIX support in
Alexandria, drop me an email.

Many thanks,

Liam

From tristil at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 10:17:40 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Documenting Alexandria
In-Reply-To: <dd857a120704270646l6cf1bc0aw960655562726e374@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd857a120704270646l6cf1bc0aw960655562726e374@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704270717id4c3df4pc31c556f055f821c@mail.gmail.com>

Liam,

Are you kidding? We need all the help we can get! :)

> I'm Liam Davison, and I wrote the original documentation for
> Alexandria, and I would be happy to help out with testing and
> documentation again. I've downloaded SVN and had a quick run - didn't
> go very well, I'm afraid - but I'll run proper tests over the weekend.

Testing is so important at this point, especially if you can help
convert bug reports into unit tests. Actually, I've been a bit quiet
lately because I've been playing with/learning about Rake and RSpec.
I'll write a full post about these later, but I wonder if you have any
experience with these tools?

> I'm glad that Alexandria has been resurrected, and kudos to the
> designer of the new website - looks good.

Thanks. The next step is to get a working wiki and a blog planet. If
you're interested in altering any of the actual text on the site, I
can give you a login to the Radiant system (that goes for anyone else,
of course). I'm thinking of using Retroactiva for the wiki, with an
option of using that for tickets/repository stuff later (needs some
consideration re: Rubyforge presence).

> I used to develop a parallel fork of Alexandria, called Carnegie,
> which I hoped would be useful for publishers maintaining catalogues of
> their own books. It was designed to have comprehensive support for
> ONIX, but didn't get very far. Alexandria's current ONIX export
> function produces files which aren't valid because Alexandria doesn't
> store enough information.

You should see Marco Constantini's post (referred to in the "Marco's
Vision" thread) about separating the various components of Alexandria.
Carnegie would be within the scope of Alexandria Projects, if you
wanted to resurrect it and place it under that umbrella(cool name,
btw, I live in Pittsburgh).

> If anyone would like to know more about Carnegie or ONIX support in
> Alexandria, drop me an email.

Marco Constantini has done some work on improving the ONIX support.
BTW, what were the biggest issues with running from the svn?
-- 
-J. Method

From tristil at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:39:32 2007
From: tristil at gmail.com (Joseph Method)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Alexandria-list] Documenting Alexandria
In-Reply-To: <167b6aa00704270717id4c3df4pc31c556f055f821c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd857a120704270646l6cf1bc0aw960655562726e374@mail.gmail.com>
	<167b6aa00704270717id4c3df4pc31c556f055f821c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167b6aa00704301239q24ac2f08n1c8ee89356eb56db@mail.gmail.com>

What happened? :)

On 4/27/07, Joseph Method <tristil at gmail.com> wrote:
> Liam,
>
> Are you kidding? We need all the help we can get! :)
>
> > I'm Liam Davison, and I wrote the original documentation for
> > Alexandria, and I would be happy to help out with testing and
> > documentation again. I've downloaded SVN and had a quick run - didn't
> > go very well, I'm afraid - but I'll run proper tests over the weekend.
>
> Testing is so important at this point, especially if you can help
> convert bug reports into unit tests. Actually, I've been a bit quiet
> lately because I've been playing with/learning about Rake and RSpec.
> I'll write a full post about these later, but I wonder if you have any
> experience with these tools?
>
> > I'm glad that Alexandria has been resurrected, and kudos to the
> > designer of the new website - looks good.
>
> Thanks. The next step is to get a working wiki and a blog planet. If
> you're interested in altering any of the actual text on the site, I
> can give you a login to the Radiant system (that goes for anyone else,
> of course). I'm thinking of using Retroactiva for the wiki, with an
> option of using that for tickets/repository stuff later (needs some
> consideration re: Rubyforge presence).
>
> > I used to develop a parallel fork of Alexandria, called Carnegie,
> > which I hoped would be useful for publishers maintaining catalogues of
> > their own books. It was designed to have comprehensive support for
> > ONIX, but didn't get very far. Alexandria's current ONIX export
> > function produces files which aren't valid because Alexandria doesn't
> > store enough information.
>
> You should see Marco Constantini's post (referred to in the "Marco's
> Vision" thread) about separating the various components of Alexandria.
> Carnegie would be within the scope of Alexandria Projects, if you
> wanted to resurrect it and place it under that umbrella(cool name,
> btw, I live in Pittsburgh).
>
> > If anyone would like to know more about Carnegie or ONIX support in
> > Alexandria, drop me an email.
>
> Marco Constantini has done some work on improving the ONIX support.
> BTW, what were the biggest issues with running from the svn?
> --
> -J. Method
>


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-J. Method