From syfys at interia.pl Wed Oct 3 06:51:04 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:51:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] gift ? Message-ID: <47037418.2090409@interia.pl> Hi There is a free book of rails at: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/freebook.php It's quite a basics, but for me it is useful. It worked well for me - no catches I believe ... I hope to see you all this evening ... -- kind regards Robert Begier +32 496 387 797 www.begier.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb From peter at 10-forward.be Wed Oct 3 07:42:15 2007 From: peter at 10-forward.be (Peter De Berdt (10-forward)) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:42:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] using RoR for a "serious" site: how about security and performance ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8209A25D-3712-42C0-AFF9-3B748D6C4A3B@10-forward.be> On 10 Aug 2007, at 19:16, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > I am Peter Vandenabeele and new to RoR. If I would build a > site that would contain confidential data (e.g. a list of users, > trusting me to not leak info like e.g. their e-mail addresses, > real name, ...) and the site needs to process a large number > of hits, would RoR then be a good candidate ? Sure, I've found Rails application to be nicely scalable and optimizable and you can do it when there's a need: ? Caching ? Balancing (e.g. database on one server, web servers on another, ?) ? Memcache for even more speed ? ? > On the security side for Web applications, a lot issues need > to be taken into account: cross site scripting, SQL injection, > session cookies, etc. etc. How mature is RoR on the security > side for "serious" applications? How fast are security problems > resolved ? Do we know of security flaws that where exploited ? > How does RoR compare against other common server > technologies like Java and PhP ? Java and PHP are just as vulnerable to the security issues you are mentioning. That said, if you follow proper procedure like escaping the data from the database in your views etc., Rails is very secure. It has everything in it for you to make sure security is tight. The Agile Web Development with Rails book has a chapter on these issues. > On the performance side, Ruby is a scripting language, but > do I understand correctly that e.g. JRuby and other initiatives > my allow faster executing ? Does Ruby also offer things like > "hot spot" run-time compilers etc. ? Or is performance > already better than other technologies, so this is a non-issue ? Ruby (current version) is slower at certain things than some other languages out there, but it develops a lot faster and is easily maintainable. With the performance of computers nowadays and the fact that most of the time to process a request is spent in the database queries, I consider this a non-issue. > Actually, do we know publicly in which server technologies, > really big sites like LinkedIn, Xing, Spock and closer to home, > netlog, are built ? Could be just about anything, but it shouldn't matter to you. It's important you use the language and framework you feel good about, and Rails development does that for me. > Do we know of large cases of publicly accessible sites, containing > sensitive data that _are_ built in RoR. This list: > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/Belgium > > was not that reassuring ... (might make sense to list a little more > Belgian RoR projects there). And even on this list, > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/United+States > > I did not immediately recognize large names (but they may just be me). 37signals and twitter are well known if you ask me. Best regards. Peter De Berdt Research & Development Software Expert ______________________ 10-forward Zwarteweg 28 B-8433 Middelkerke Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 info at 10-forward.be http://www.10-forward.be ______________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071003/8389195e/attachment-0001.html From nboucart at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 07:56:10 2007 From: nboucart at gmail.com (Nick Boucart) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] using RoR for a "serious" site: how about security and performance ? In-Reply-To: <8209A25D-3712-42C0-AFF9-3B748D6C4A3B@10-forward.be> References: <8209A25D-3712-42C0-AFF9-3B748D6C4A3B@10-forward.be> Message-ID: <8d9aaa2b0710030456t6447a5b3t25c9cb330b2d847e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Around security, be sure to check out: http://www.quarkruby.com/2007/9/20/ruby-on-rails-security-guide and http://www.rorsecurity.info/ruby-on-rails-security-cheatsheet/ The first link contains tons of info. It focuses on rails but is applicable to all database driven websites: sql injection can happen everywhere and requires a developer to be alert each and every time he/she writes a query based upon input from the user. Same with cross site scripting, if you allow your users to enter script tags in your forms and you render this without proper escaping, you have a security issue, regardless whether you use php, rails or java... Same for password encryption and so on... With regards on scalability and what the larger websites of this world run upon, a recent article I came across talks about this. http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=173 An interesting read on scaling a large rails app can be found here http://poocs.net/2006/3/13/the-adventures-of-scaling-stage-1 Regards, Nick. On 10/3/07, Peter De Berdt (10-forward) wrote: > > > On 10 Aug 2007, at 19:16, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > > I am Peter Vandenabeele and new to RoR. If I would build a > > site that would contain confidential data (e.g. a list of users, > > trusting me to not leak info like e.g. their e-mail addresses, > > real name, ...) and the site needs to process a large number > > of hits, would RoR then be a good candidate ? > > > Sure, I've found Rails application to be nicely scalable and optimizable > and you can do it when there's a need: > ? Caching > ? Balancing (e.g. database on one server, web servers on another, ?) > ? Memcache for even more speed > ? ? > > On the security side for Web applications, a lot issues need > > to be taken into account: cross site scripting, SQL injection, > > session cookies, etc. etc. How mature is RoR on the security > > side for "serious" applications? How fast are security problems > > resolved ? Do we know of security flaws that where exploited ? > > How does RoR compare against other common server > > technologies like Java and PhP ? > > > Java and PHP are just as vulnerable to the security issues you are > mentioning. That said, if you follow proper procedure like escaping the data > from the database in your views etc., Rails is very secure. It has > everything in it for you to make sure security is tight. The Agile Web > Development with Rails book has a chapter on these issues. > > On the performance side, Ruby is a scripting language, but > > do I understand correctly that e.g. JRuby and other initiatives > > my allow faster executing ? Does Ruby also offer things like > > "hot spot" run-time compilers etc. ? Or is performance > > already better than other technologies, so this is a non-issue ? > > > Ruby (current version) is slower at certain things than some other > languages out there, but it develops a lot faster and is easily > maintainable. With the performance of computers nowadays and the fact that > most of the time to process a request is spent in the database queries, I > consider this a non-issue. > > Actually, do we know publicly in which server technologies, > > really big sites like LinkedIn, Xing, Spock and closer to home, > > netlog, are built ? > > > Could be just about anything, but it shouldn't matter to you. It's > important you use the language and framework you feel good about, and Rails > development does that for me. > > Do we know of large cases of publicly accessible sites, containing > > sensitive data that _are_ built in RoR. This list: > > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/Belgium > > > was not that reassuring ... (might make sense to list a little more > > Belgian RoR projects there). And even on this list, > > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/United+States > > > I did not immediately recognize large names (but they may just be me). > > > 37signals and twitter are well known if you ask me. > > Best regards. > > > Peter De Berdt > Research & Development > Software Expert > > ______________________ > *10-forward* > Zwarteweg 28 > B-8433 Middelkerke > Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 > info at 10-forward.be > http://www.10-forward.be > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071003/e7e5137e/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 3 09:35:35 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:35:35 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? In-Reply-To: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> References: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> Message-ID: <47039AA7.7010802@xaop.com> Hi, Only one person who confirmed his presence said that he is coming by train. His train arrives at 18h31 in Halle station, and someone from XaoP is picking him up. If you arrive at that time too (the train from Brussels arrives then), or a little earlier, you can hitch a ride. Let me know in time and I'll make sure you get picked up too. Just wait in the canteen/caf? inside the station; you should be able to recognize our chauffeur for the occasion by the XaoP t-shirt he should be wearing, and you can find his picture here: http://www.xaop.com/pages/company He's the second guy from the top, wearing the glasses. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > Hello, > > Is there anyone going from Antwerp tonight to > the meeting? I could use a ride :-) > > Or someone going by train from Antwerp, Mechelen ? > > groetjes, > Bram > > =================== > > > > we are Mr. Henry > i am Bram Plessers > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > we like car rides > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From bram at mrhenry.be Wed Oct 3 09:38:23 2007 From: bram at mrhenry.be (Bram / Mr. Henry) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:38:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? References: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> <47039AA7.7010802@xaop.com> Message-ID: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB2629380DD@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> Thanks Peter, But I arranged a carpool with another attendee off list ; ) -----Original Message----- From: brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vanbroekhoven Sent: woensdag 3 oktober 2007 15:36 To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? Hi, Only one person who confirmed his presence said that he is coming by train. His train arrives at 18h31 in Halle station, and someone from XaoP is picking him up. If you arrive at that time too (the train from Brussels arrives then), or a little earlier, you can hitch a ride. Let me know in time and I'll make sure you get picked up too. Just wait in the canteen/caf? inside the station; you should be able to recognize our chauffeur for the occasion by the XaoP t-shirt he should be wearing, and you can find his picture here: http://www.xaop.com/pages/company He's the second guy from the top, wearing the glasses. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > Hello, > > Is there anyone going from Antwerp tonight to > the meeting? I could use a ride :-) > > Or someone going by train from Antwerp, Mechelen ? > > groetjes, > Bram > > =================== > > > > we are Mr. Henry > i am Bram Plessers > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > we like car rides > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk _______________________________________________ Brug-talk mailing list Brug-talk at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From mesut.celik at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 09:42:38 2007 From: mesut.celik at gmail.com (Mesut Celik) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:42:38 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? In-Reply-To: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB2629380DD@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> References: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> <47039AA7.7010802@xaop.com> <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB2629380DD@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> Message-ID: In return, if someone goes back to Zaventem area and takes me too, it will be highly appriciated.;) mesut 2007/10/3, Bram / Mr. Henry : > > Thanks Peter, > But I arranged a carpool with another attendee off list ; ) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto: > brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vanbroekhoven > Sent: woensdag 3 oktober 2007 15:36 > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? > > Hi, > > Only one person who confirmed his presence said that he is coming by > train. His train arrives at 18h31 in Halle station, and someone from > XaoP is picking him up. If you arrive at that time too (the train from > Brussels arrives then), or a little earlier, you can hitch a ride. Let > me know in time and I'll make sure you get picked up too. Just wait in > the canteen/caf? inside the station; you should be able to recognize our > chauffeur for the occasion by the XaoP t-shirt he should be wearing, and > you can find his picture here: > > http://www.xaop.com/pages/company > > He's the second guy from the top, wearing the glasses. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is there anyone going from Antwerp tonight to > > the meeting? I could use a ride :-) > > > > Or someone going by train from Antwerp, Mechelen ? > > > > groetjes, > > Bram > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > we are Mr. Henry > > i am Bram Plessers > > > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > > > we like car rides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071003/26113dcc/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 3 18:39:47 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:39:47 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" Message-ID: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> Hi all, You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at the following URL: http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven From syfys at interia.pl Wed Oct 3 19:22:46 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:22:46 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> Message-ID: <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> there is .pdf missing on the site ... by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the first meeting regards Robert Begier Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > Hi all, > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > the following URL: > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 4 01:15:55 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710032215g1b4cc8bcg7b838e42f0636e50@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I would like to join in with the congratulations for the first meeting. The administrative part was a bit too long winded for my taste, but the presentation and networking afterwards really erased any doubts about my being there. If you put the video on YouTube everyone with a blog could include it, so we start to get the word out without waiting for the creation of the BRUG site. Thanks again for the kick off, Hans verschooten http://tintr.net On 10/4/07, syfys at interia.pl wrote: > there is .pdf missing on the site ... > > by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the > first meeting > > regards > Robert Begier > > Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > > Hi all, > > > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > > the following URL: > > > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > > > Kind regards, > > Peter Vanbroekhoven > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! > > >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 01:19:36 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:19:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Thanks for the presentation, Best regards, Stephane Wirtel 2007/10/4, Peter Vanbroekhoven : > > Hi all, > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > the following URL: > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP On 04/10/2007, syfys at interia.pl wrote: > there is .pdf missing on the site ... > > by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the > first meeting > > regards > Robert Begier > > Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > > Hi all, > > > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > > the following URL: > > > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > > > Kind regards, > > Peter Vanbroekhoven > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! > > >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 4 04:30:15 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:30:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> Message-ID: <4704A497.1070006@xaop.com> Hi, Before causing confusion again: sorry for using my other email address. It's me who wrote that. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Calamitas wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Rubyforge employs file mirrors, and you may have to wait for a while > before the file gets propagated to all mirrors. I believe it can take > up to a day. > > And thanks for the kind words. All of you! > > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > On 04/10/2007, syfys at interia.pl wrote: >> there is .pdf missing on the site ... >> >> by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the >> first meeting >> >> regards >> Robert Begier >> >> Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at >>> the following URL: >>> >>> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Peter Vanbroekhoven >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Brug-talk mailing list >>> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! >> >>>>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From peter at vandenabeele.com Thu Oct 4 04:49:37 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:49:37 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) Message-ID: Hi, First of all thank to the organizers (XAOP) for all the work and providing the room, the driks, the sandwhiches, etc. Just to keep some track of the first meeting, minimalistic minutes below: 1. introduction 2. administrativa: * decided to form a small admin group (5 people) * decided to work on networking between the members (technical questions, partnerships, joint actions, ...) * decided to work on promoting RoR to a larger audience, e.g. through open website, forums and organizing conferences 3. presentation: "Metaprogramming in Ruby" by Peter Vanbroekhoven (http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/26198/BRUG-10-03-2007.pdf) 4. Networking May I ask that ALL ATTENDANTS that want to keep track of who was there, send at least a mail to me (IN PRIVATE) with their name and e-mail. I will then bounce back the list of all people that responded back to all the people on the list (in PRIVATE). I will give that feedback in 10 days from now, that is 14 October 2007. Of course it would be better to do this on a wiki or something, but I am not aware there is one yet. Thanks, Peter From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 4 11:30:57 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:30:57 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website Message-ID: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Hi all, One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our user group. I think we need the following: * hosting * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website designers) * a few people to create and manage the content These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. We need volunteers for each of these jobs. Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our Ruby user group via other channels. Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is trademarked, so using that requires more care. Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to have this: * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the discussions if so desired * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just add/remove users to/from the list. I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created and then anyone interested can subscribe. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven From syfys at interia.pl Thu Oct 4 13:16:22 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:16:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <47051FE6.2040302@interia.pl> Hi there hosting - I'm currently using free rails account (till 28 march 2008) 500 MB space transfer/month: 1GB 1 database + great support (normally I wait no more than 30min for response) If you wish we could use it as a table to work - before deploying in production mode. I don't know how you work out the final lists of users - sign me up, as active support ;) Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting > * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > designers) > * a few people to create and manage the content > > These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > > We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > > Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > > * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > > I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home > page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our > Ruby user group via other channels. > > Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up > to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is > trademarked, so using that requires more care. > > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Najlepsi DJ-e na 7 scenach.Pole Mokotowskie.Sobota 6.10.07 Sprawdz >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1c00 From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 4 13:58:26 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:58:26 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ What do you think? Cheers, Hans On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting > * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > designers) > * a few people to create and manage the content > > These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > > We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > > Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > > * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > > I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home > page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our > Ruby user group via other channels. > > Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up > to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is > trademarked, so using that requires more care. > > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From maarten at fastfocus.be Thu Oct 4 14:39:58 2007 From: maarten at fastfocus.be (Maarten Porters) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:39:58 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails aspect should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling that most people use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. Greetz, Maarten Hans verschooten schreef: > Hi all, > > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Hans > > On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get >> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our >> user group. I think we need the following: >> >> * hosting >> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website >> designers) >> * a few people to create and manage the content >> >> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. >> >> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. >> >> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: >> >> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG >> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) >> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) >> >> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development >> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home >> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby >> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our >> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our >> Ruby user group via other channels. >> >> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up >> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby >> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is >> trademarked, so using that requires more care. >> >> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group >> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to >> have this: >> >> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the >> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list >> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the >> discussions if so desired >> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions >> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just >> add/remove users to/from the list. >> >> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created >> and then anyone interested can subscribe. >> >> Kind regards, >> Peter Vanbroekhoven >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 14:44:43 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:44:43 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I like it, with the Belgium's flag. Don't use the logo of Rails, because there is a trademark. Thanks Hans, Stephane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071004/8c88a2bd/attachment.html From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 4 15:32:54 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:32:54 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710041232k41978891m50f01510a43180d4@mail.gmail.com> Maarten, it is the Ruby user group :-) I know that a lot of people come to Ruby via Rails, but we never know what the future will bring us. Maybe Ruby will outlive Rails. So better focus on the language than the framework, I guess. Cheerio, Hans On 10/4/07, Maarten Porters wrote: > That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails > aspect > should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling > that most people > use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. > > Greetz, > > Maarten > > > Hans verschooten schreef: > > Hi all, > > > > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > > > > What do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > Hans > > > > On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get > >> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > >> user group. I think we need the following: > >> > >> * hosting > >> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > >> designers) > >> * a few people to create and manage the content > >> > >> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > >> > >> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > >> > >> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > >> > >> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > >> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > >> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > >> > >> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > >> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home > >> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > >> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > >> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our > >> Ruby user group via other channels. > >> > >> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up > >> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > >> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is > >> trademarked, so using that requires more care. > >> > >> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > >> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > >> have this: > >> > >> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > >> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > >> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > >> discussions if so desired > >> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > >> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > >> add/remove users to/from the list. > >> > >> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > >> and then anyone interested can subscribe. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Peter Vanbroekhoven > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Brug-talk mailing list > >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From syfys at interia.pl Thu Oct 4 15:33:36 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:33:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041232k41978891m50f01510a43180d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <3e85b8490710041232k41978891m50f01510a43180d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47054010.6000801@interia.pl> cool logo, if you ask me ... regards, Robert Hans verschooten pisze: > Maarten, > > it is the Ruby user group :-) > I know that a lot of people come to Ruby via Rails, but we never know > what the future will bring us. Maybe Ruby will outlive Rails. So > better focus on the language than the framework, I guess. > > Cheerio, > Hans > > On 10/4/07, Maarten Porters wrote: >> That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails >> aspect >> should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling >> that most people >> use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. >> >> Greetz, >> >> Maarten >> >> >> Hans verschooten schreef: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hans >>> >>> On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get >>>> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our >>>> user group. I think we need the following: >>>> >>>> * hosting >>>> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website >>>> designers) >>>> * a few people to create and manage the content >>>> >>>> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. >>>> >>>> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. >>>> >>>> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: >>>> >>>> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG >>>> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) >>>> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) >>>> >>>> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development >>>> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home >>>> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby >>>> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our >>>> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our >>>> Ruby user group via other channels. >>>> >>>> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up >>>> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby >>>> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is >>>> trademarked, so using that requires more care. >>>> >>>> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group >>>> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to >>>> have this: >>>> >>>> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the >>>> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list >>>> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the >>>> discussions if so desired >>>> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions >>>> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just >>>> add/remove users to/from the list. >>>> >>>> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created >>>> and then anyone interested can subscribe. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Peter Vanbroekhoven >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Brug-talk mailing list >>>> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Brug-talk mailing list >>> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -----------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A----------------- Lepsze wiadomosci z kraju i z zagranicy. Nie wierzysz? Sprawdz - http://wiadomosci.interia.pl/ From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:12:23 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:12:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans, > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > What do you think? Simple and original. I like it a lot. The red looks not right though. Alain From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:14:17 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:14:17 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ Would look good as a lapel pin. Alain From frank at openminds.be Fri Oct 5 02:00:12 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:00:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <6D49AD8E-05E0-4098-9187-1A137D17031F@openminds.be> On 04 Oct 2007, at 17:30, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we > didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting Peter, It's quite obvious we'd be happy to provide the hosting needed :) Frank From bernard at openminds.be Fri Oct 5 01:49:55 2007 From: bernard at openminds.be (Bernard Grymonpon) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:49:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Hi all, As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. Can someone make a quick one-page template/holding page (simple html) with a short introduction text (maybe in Dutch and in French (we have people in the BRUG who can do some translation I guess)), and some links to the mailing list and rubyforge pages... so we can get the show online. Btw: The logo is really great. Rgds, Bernard Grymonpon Openminds On 04 Oct 2007, at 17:30, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we > didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting > * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > designers) > * a few people to create and manage the content > > These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > > We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > > Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > > * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > > I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the > home > page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising > our > Ruby user group via other channels. > > Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone > feels up > to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails > logo is > trademarked, so using that requires more care. > > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google > group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From tom at tmplus.be Fri Oct 5 02:43:08 2007 From: tom at tmplus.be (Tom Mestdagh) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:43:08 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705DCFC.9010304@tmplus.be> Hi, yeah, the logo looks very nice. I would also be happy to help with ror development on the website if needed, but I guess we can do a lot with just a wiki and using the tools available (del.icio.us, youtube, flickr, ...). But offcourse, the wiki should be in rails :-p Instiki is a possibility, anybody experience with that? regards, Tom Hans verschooten schreef: > Hi all, > > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Hans > > On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get >> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our >> user group. I think we need the following: >> >> * hosting >> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website >> designers) >> * a few people to create and manage the content >> >> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. >> >> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. >> >> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: >> >> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG >> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) >> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) >> >> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development >> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home >> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby >> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our >> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our >> Ruby user group via other channels. >> >> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up >> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby >> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is >> trademarked, so using that requires more care. >> >> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group >> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to >> have this: >> >> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the >> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list >> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the >> discussions if so desired >> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions >> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just >> add/remove users to/from the list. >> >> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created >> and then anyone interested can subscribe. >> >> Kind regards, >> Peter Vanbroekhoven >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -- ---------------------------- TM+ Software -en webontwikkeling Brabantdam 35J 9000 Gent 09 233 12 38 tom at tmplus.be ---------------------------- From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 03:05:27 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> Hey Peter, Mij mag je toevoegen aan je lijst: Peter Vanbroekhoven peter at xaop.com Groetjes, Peter Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Hi, > > First of all thank to the organizers (XAOP) for all the work and > providing the room, the driks, the sandwhiches, etc. > > Just to keep some track of the first meeting, minimalistic > minutes below: > > 1. introduction > 2. administrativa: > * decided to form a small admin group (5 people) > * decided to work on networking between the members > (technical questions, partnerships, joint actions, ...) > * decided to work on promoting RoR to a larger audience, > e.g. through open website, forums and organizing conferences > 3. presentation: "Metaprogramming in Ruby" by Peter Vanbroekhoven > (http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/26198/BRUG-10-03-2007.pdf) > 4. Networking > > May I ask that ALL ATTENDANTS that want to keep track of who was > there, send at least a mail to me (IN PRIVATE) with their name and > e-mail. I will then bounce back the list of all people that responded back > to all the people on the list (in PRIVATE). I will give that feedback in > 10 days from now, that is 14 October 2007. > > Of course it would be better to do this on a wiki or something, but I > am not aware there is one yet. > > Thanks, > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From alain.ravet at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 04:25:45 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:25:45 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Here are my details : Alain Ravet alain.ravet at gmail.com Alain On 10/4/07, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Hi, > > First of all thank to the organizers (XAOP) for all the work and > providing the room, the driks, the sandwhiches, etc. > > Just to keep some track of the first meeting, minimalistic > minutes below: > > 1. introduction > 2. administrativa: > * decided to form a small admin group (5 people) > * decided to work on networking between the members > (technical questions, partnerships, joint actions, ...) > * decided to work on promoting RoR to a larger audience, > e.g. through open website, forums and organizing conferences > 3. presentation: "Metaprogramming in Ruby" by Peter Vanbroekhoven > (http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/26198/BRUG-10-03-2007.pdf) > 4. Networking > > May I ask that ALL ATTENDANTS that want to keep track of who was > there, send at least a mail to me (IN PRIVATE) with their name and > e-mail. I will then bounce back the list of all people that responded back > to all the people on the list (in PRIVATE). I will give that feedback in > 10 days from now, that is 14 October 2007. > > Of course it would be better to do this on a wiki or something, but I > am not aware there is one yet. > > Thanks, > > Peter From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 5 04:31:09 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:31:09 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: References: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: ... > Er is een reden waarom je expliciet in private > antwoord en niet op de lijst ... ^^ antwoordt ... Sorry Peter From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 5 04:29:24 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:29:24 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> References: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hey Peter, > > Mij mag je toevoegen aan je lijst: Jah ... hoeveel keer in mijn leven zal ik nog proberen om de beheerders van een mailing list te overtuigen om de "Reply-To" NIET niet naar het lijst adres te laten wijzen. Argumentatie is simpel: * een e-mail die per ongeluk naar de OP (Original Poster) alleen gaat, is geen drama, gewoon opnieuw forwarden naar het lijst adres en problem solved, no harm done. * een e-amil die bedoeld was voor de OP (in private) en per ongeluk naar de lijst gaat, is soms wel een drama en is een fout die nooit meer rechtgezet kan worden (the ghost is out of the bottle). Vooral omdat een intended private reply op een mailing list topic vaak echt wel gevoelig ligt. Er is een reden waarom je expliciet in private antwoord en niet op de lijst ... Dus, bij deze mijn standaard vraag om de mailing list zo in te stellen dat Reply-To gewoon het prive adres is van de afzender, en _niet_ het lijst adres. Bedankt om dit te overwegen, Peter From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 5 04:44:15 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:44:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > Can someone make a quick one-page template/holding page (simple html) > with a short introduction text (maybe in Dutch and in French (we have > people in the BRUG who can do some translation I guess)), Having this experience at Federal level and also e.g. in opengov.be , we really need to think about the multi-language aspect as one of the most challenging aspects. This needs some architecture thinking before just blindly choosing one solution. I personally prefer _explicit_ language choice (and not the "implicit" language choice that was used for the current (=previous) belgium.be site, brrr ...). So, most simple (and obvious to users) to me seems: (by example): http://www.brug-ruby.be/nl/... http://www.brug-ruby.be/fr/... http://www.brug-ruby.be/en/... and then on a page where the content is not present in that language, have a text like the one below: "sorry, this page is not available in english, check http://www.brug-ruby.be/nl/help/ for the Dutch version or http://www.brug-ruby.be/fr/help/ for the French version" Other ideas welcome, but please take into account this question explicitely in the coice of architecture of the site. I personally prefer very explicit language choices (no "smart stuff" going on behind my back, which is just confusing me). HTH, Peter From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 05:15:05 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:15:05 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <47060099.1020902@xaop.com> Hi all, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. The list has been created now. You can find it here: http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-admin A Google mirror can be found here: http://groups.google.com/group/brug-admin-google?lnk=iggc Again, this will be the central place for organizing meetings and such. If you're interested in these kinds of discussions, or want to pitch in from time to time, you can subscribe, but you don't need to do so as a "regular" member; you'll only miss some administration. Note that you need to subscribe to the list on Rubyforge to be able to post with Google groups. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 05:38:48 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:38:48 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Message-ID: <47060628.6000407@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Other ideas welcome, but please take into account this question > explicitely in the coice of architecture of the site. > > I personally prefer very explicit language choices (no "smart stuff" > going on behind my back, which is just confusing me). I wholeheartedly agree. Possible additions to this idea are: * If, for instance, on an English page, a link is provided to a page that has no English version, it could link to a page like you mentioned, but also (within parentheses) give the available languages as links to the corresponding translations * On the "not available as this language" page, add an "or create a translation" link in addition to the "edit" link * An important challenge is how to keep the translations in sync. It would be nice if the system could automatically indicate in some way that certain parts of certain pages are out of sync with translations. If we require translations to have the same structure (sections, paragraphs, ...) then this is easily doable. Then we can provide translation aids as well, i.e., put the page you are translating and the translation next to each other, section by section, paragraph by paragraph my 2 cents... Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 06:14:46 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:14:46 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> Message-ID: <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> Maarten Porters wrote: > That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails > aspect > should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling > that most people > use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. Maarten, The way I see it, what binds us is Ruby. I think this is a bit tricky; on the one hand, mentioning Rails explicitly may scare off people not interested in Rails, on the other hand, not mentioning Rails may scare off people who are only interested in Rails. We can change the official name to the Belgian Ruby and Rails User Group, and still abbreviate it as BRUG, but I don't know if that eliminates either ill effect. The thing is, though, where do we want to go? How big do we see this? For the moment, we have Ruby and Rails. What if other web frameworks emerge, or what if Ruby catches on in other fields, and interests diverge even further? I believe that it is bad to fracture the Belgian Ruby community; it is better to have one large community with possibly separate divisions, but that can share infrastructure and organization if needed, and that allows coordinating events. I think we should take that into account, and make sure we are prepared for that. I also want to ease all fears; the user group will not be pure Ruby, and not pure Rails. We have a mix of people with different interests and that mix should be reflected in a comparable mix of topics and activities. But getting back to the logo, it may be interesting to have two logos. The one we have now (which is great BTW) can be used in places that require a compact logo. We can have a bigger logo that does incorporate Rails in some way. One idea would be the outline of Belgium in the back (tricolored maybe, but the way I see it just whitish with a blackish outline and a shadow), some rails leading "into" the map, and the logo with have now on these rails with the gem on top of the bridge. The rails could have the shape of a bridge. That way, we don't use the Rails logo directly, so it should pose no problem with trademarks, and certainly not if the rails are drawn in a different way than in the Rails logo. I'm not a graphical designer, so I can't work out this logo design myself. Again, if someone feels up to it... Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 06:23:23 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:23:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> Message-ID: <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > But getting back to the logo, it may be interesting to have two logos. > The one we have now (which is great BTW) can be used in places that > require a compact logo. We can have a bigger logo that does incorporate > Rails in some way. One idea would be the outline of Belgium in the back > (tricolored maybe, but the way I see it just whitish with a blackish > outline and a shadow), some rails leading "into" the map, and the logo > with have now on these rails with the gem on top of the bridge. The > rails could have the shape of a bridge. That way, we don't use the Rails I messed up my sentence a little in this part. The rails lead in to the map, and the logo we have now goes on top of the rails. The rails could form a bridge and the gem logo we have now goes on top. This indicates the bridge we want to build, and shows Ruby heading for Belgium. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From alain.ravet at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 16:24:50 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:24:50 -0000 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group Message-ID: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Hi, In the Google Group membership settings, I cannot specify I want to receive every mail (the last option in the email rate section). Of the 25+ Google Groups I subscribe to, the BRUG mirrors are the only two where I have this problem, so I wonder if they have been setup correctly. Is anybody successful/encountering the same problem? TIA Alain Ravet From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 17:30:21 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:30:21 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, # I unfortunately couldn't attend the first BRUG meet-up. I was unluckily in Belgium the day after, and now leaving in a few days :( I personally love Hans' logo. It's really good to see our colors on the Ruby gem! Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since most (all?) of the people can understand it. # I would nevertheless be happy to help with any French translation work. Laurent From alain.ravet at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 18:42:31 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:42:31 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > .. I wonder if > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, .. I agree 100%. Splitting the site in 3 sounds like a joke, especially now. Alain Ravet From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 18:58:01 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:58:01 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> Hi, I've noticed this too. According to Google's docs, it's a consequence of the setup as a mirror. They probably have a good technical reason for this, but it sucks nonetheless. If anybody knows of a way to fix this, I'd be happy to hear. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Alain Ravet wrote: > Hi, > > In the Google Group membership settings, I cannot specify I want to > receive every mail (the last option in the email rate section). > Of the 25+ Google Groups I subscribe to, the BRUG mirrors are the only > two where I have this problem, so I wonder if they have been setup > correctly. > > Is anybody successful/encountering the same problem? > > TIA > > Alain Ravet > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From alain.ravet at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 05:45:26 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:45:26 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> Message-ID: Peter, > I've noticed this too. According to Google's docs, it's a consequence of > the setup as a mirror. So, why use it as a mirror, and not as a main repository (as they did for the rails list, after hosting the list elsewhere first)? Do we really need the rubyforge middle-man? Less is more. Alain Ravet From peter at xaop.com Sat Oct 6 07:22:09 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:22:09 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] [Fwd: Re: trouble with the emails settings on Google Group] Message-ID: <47076FE1.1000605@xaop.com> Hi all, Forwarding this mail... Peter Vandenabeele adviced me to change the settings of the mailing list. Replies go to the author now by default, and you need to change the recipient if you want it to go to the mailing list. I've forgotten to do that already... Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:12:38 +0200 Size: 1275 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071006/f22ccdbb/attachment.mht From peter at xaop.com Sat Oct 6 07:35:43 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:35:43 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] FOSDEM Message-ID: <4707730F.5070105@xaop.com> Hi all, One of the things we should consider is to try and get a Ruby/Rails track at FOSDEM, and if there is interest in it, a developer's room. We can also consider running a booth there. I think this is a great opportunity to advertise our user group, find new members, and basically give us a kick-start. We need proposals for speakers. DHH is an obvious one, but we need more. So let us know about your heroes and what you want them to talk about! It would be nice if by then we have a logo to put on t-shirts that we can wear there. The small logo can go on the front, a bigger, more elaborate one can go on the back. If we have a booth, we can show photographs of the meetings, possible a video even; we can distribute information about BRUG, and we could hand out stickers with the logo and simplified contact information. This seems like *the* occasion to expand out Ruby user group. We have to get kicking though because FOSDEM is only 4 and a half months away and we don't want to miss the boat. The call for speakers went out about one and a half month ago, so I expect we don't have much time. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Sat Oct 6 08:11:39 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:11:39 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <4707730F.5070105@xaop.com> References: <4707730F.5070105@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/6/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > One of the things we should consider is to try and get a Ruby/Rails > track at FOSDEM, and if there is interest in it, a developer's room. This is a great idea. I did that on fosdem for a few years with the "embedded track" (now continued by a Philippe De Swert). We only had to organize a: * program committee (writing the call for papers, invite people, select the abstracts and define the program) * on the two days manage the meeting. Because this is such an efficient and easy system, demand for "developer rooms" is high and they are early "sold-out". I could ask Raph (I know him quite well because of early involvement), but if you know him better, you could ask instead. Maybe the answer will simply be "sorry, already sold out for 2008 ..." HTH, Peter From alain.ravet at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:33:01 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:33:01 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: <47075F96.4090207@xaop.com> References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> <47075F96.4090207@xaop.com> Message-ID: Peter, On 10/6/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Alain Ravet wrote: > > So, why use it as a mirror, and not as a main repository (as they did > > for the rails list, after hosting the list elsewhere first)? > > Do we really need the rubyforge middle-man? Less is more. > > > The main problem with this is that the argument runs both ways; do we > really need the Google group. Why did you setup a Google mirror in the first place? Google group is superior, and it makes my/our life easier. Subscription takes 10 seconds. Same for cancellation. No password to remember, etc, etc.. The way it's setup currently - no way to get each email from the mirror -, it's useless, but for the Web Interface, and the archive, and the easy of each user message, and the rating, .. :) So, I'm forced to subscribe to 4 list : - subscribe (email+password) to the 2 rubyforge lists just to get the emails, - subscribe to the Google groups to get a decent Web Interface and access to the archive. Less is more. It's obvious, isn't it? Alain Ravet From peter at vandenabeele.com Sun Oct 7 09:52:42 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:52:42 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: Beste, Moet ik vragen om ev. een Ruby developer room te krijgen Naast dit: http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms zal het niet zo evident zijn om nog een room te krijgen, maar we kunnen proberen. Dit is nog leeg ... http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms Peter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christophe Vandeplas Date: Oct 7, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? To: FOSDEM visitors The date will be the 23rd and 24th Feb 2008. Unfortunately due to (the usual) administrative slowness of the location where we organise the event we cannot confirm this 100% sure. We already reserved some rooms for that week-end for the speakers. So don't expect it to change except if unexpected problems arise. From simonis.christophe at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 12:15:42 2007 From: simonis.christophe at gmail.com (Christophe Simonis) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:15:42 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: Can you write in english on the ML please? 2007/10/7, Peter Vandenabeele : > > Beste, > > Moet ik vragen om ev. een Ruby developer room te krijgen > > Naast dit: > > http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms > > zal het niet zo evident zijn om nog een room te krijgen, maar > we kunnen proberen. > > Dit is nog leeg ... > > http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms > > Peter > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Christophe Vandeplas > Date: Oct 7, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? > To: FOSDEM visitors > > The date will be the 23rd and 24th Feb 2008. > > Unfortunately due to (the usual) administrative slowness of the location > where we organise the event we cannot confirm this 100% sure. > > We already reserved some rooms for that week-end for the speakers. So > don't expect it to change except if unexpected problems arise. > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- Simonis Christophe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071007/6adf2fee/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Sun Oct 7 14:22:49 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:22:49 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: <470923F9.80901@xaop.com> Hi, Yes, please ask. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Beste, > > Moet ik vragen om ev. een Ruby developer room te krijgen > > Naast dit: > > http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms > > zal het niet zo evident zijn om nog een room te krijgen, maar > we kunnen proberen. > > Dit is nog leeg ... > > http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms > > Peter > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Christophe Vandeplas > Date: Oct 7, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? > To: FOSDEM visitors > > The date will be the 23rd and 24th Feb 2008. > > Unfortunately due to (the usual) administrative slowness of the location > where we organise the event we cannot confirm this 100% sure. > > We already reserved some rooms for that week-end for the speakers. So > don't expect it to change except if unexpected problems arise. > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From peter at vandenabeele.com Sun Oct 7 14:35:38 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:35:38 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: On 10/7/07, Christophe Simonis wrote: > Can you write in english on the ML please? Very sorry for that ... I really have to get rid of the habit that is formed when working at the Federal Public Services, where Dutch, French and German are formally allowed as languages, but English is strictly "verboten" (since not an official language of Belgium). So, what I proposed was: "Should I ask to Raph from fosdem to get a Ruby developer room at fosdem 2008 ? Next to: http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms it will not be trivial to get a room, but we can try. This page is still empty for now ... http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms Peter From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 01:28:02 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:28:02 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: Peter, A room for Ruby, ok You can ask to Laurent Sansonetti If he can come to the Fosdem, to present RubyCocoa. For the presentations in the room, some ideas ( I am a developer, so it's a list of presentation about the development :d ) - Ruby & DSL ( with the metaprogramming ) ( sorry Peter :d ) How to write a small DSL if you work with a compiled language, how to generate a source code ( write a source code to generate classes or a structure of database :d ) How to be a smart devel ( generate source code with ruby ) - XML with Ruby REXML, libxml, xpath, SOAP, XML Schema, XSLT ( ruby-xslt produces an extension with libexslt, to introduce some ruby code to the exslt engine ). - Camping ( static website ) & Rails ( dynamic ) and MERB - small presentation of Mongrel ( directory handler, ... ) - Use ActiveRecord without Rails, - How to create a gem with newgem, ... - Very important BDD, RSpec, Runit, autotest, ... About the administration with Ruby, - How to move Python or Perl to the trash can ? ( joke, I like Python :d ) - How to write a daemon with ruby ? ( for Windows, a NT Service ). A good presentation with ruby-gtk2, ruby-qt4, or RubyFOX ? Regards, Stephane, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/69f9f99e/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 04:09:32 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:09:32 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> <47075F96.4090207@xaop.com> Message-ID: <4709E5BC.8040308@xaop.com> Alain, Alain Ravet wrote: > Why did you setup a Google mirror in the first place? > Google group is superior, and it makes my/our life easier. > Subscription takes 10 seconds. Same for cancellation. No password to > remember, etc, etc.. > I set it up because I know people have different preference regarding web interfaces and email. And, well... it was supposed to work flawlessly (we don't expect anything less from Google, right?) > The way it's setup currently - no way to get each email from the > mirror -, it's useless, but for the Web Interface, and the archive, > and the easy of each user message, and the rating, .. :) > > So, I'm forced to subscribe to 4 list : > - subscribe (email+password) to the 2 rubyforge lists just to get the emails, > - subscribe to the Google groups to get a decent Web Interface and > access to the archive. > > Less is more. It's obvious, isn't it? > I think the superiority of Google groups is really a matter of taste. You are clearly on one end of the spectrum. On the other end of the spectrum will be those among us who don't have or want a Gmail address. They need to create one, and monitor an extra email address. Sure, Gmail can do forwarding if needed, but then we are leaning towards more again, and forwarding does break too. I don't want to unilaterally decide this. I'll start another thread to ask for the whole community's opinion. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Mon Oct 8 04:23:35 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:23:35 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: On 10/8/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > A room for Ruby, ok I sent the message below to Raph, with you e-mail in attachment. I will inform the list if I get a response from Raph. Peter +++ Raph, In name of the newly formed "Belgian Ruby Users Group", I am asking if we could organise a "Ruby and Rails developer room" at fosdem. Obviously you are aware of the growing importance of Ruby and Rails in the Open Source world but now with the BRUG we also have the organisation that is capable of handling the logistics. The member list is not public (yet), but our first meeting last week, had around 30 participants, amongst which some of the most active Ruby and Rails developers in Belgium. Could you please quickly inform us of your decision on the availability of a developer room for Ruby and Rails ? Below is a mail from Stephane Wirtel, where he already describes some possible programme and a person to invite. Did you already plan a Ruby or Rails speaker on the regular program ? Thanks, Peter From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 04:39:12 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:39:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Message-ID: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Hi all, Currently, the setup of the Google group I created is not ideal, and that's an understatement. Alain raised this issue and suggested to go Google group only. Before I make a decision on this, I want to ask for everyone's opinion, because currently it's only Alain that has complained. The options are as follows: * Mailing list hosted at Rubyforge : provides only a mail interface, requires you to choose a password, but works with general email addresses. Provides archives as well. * Google group : provides a mail interface and a web interface. Integrates well with your Gmail account. Provides archives. * Mailing list + Google group : The Google group becomes harder to use. It's useless if used as a mailing list, and you need to subscribe to the mailing list if you want to post to the Google group. If we host our own mailing list then the password requirement can be dropped, and we can probably sync the subscriber list with the Google group. But I expect there will always be some kind of trouble. I have created a poll, and you can vote here: http://www.doodle.ch/nm8u5bh7g3cmhtke This is just to indicate your *preference*. If you have strong feelings on any of these options, I urge you to voice them here. I hope we can decide this soon. We already have around 50 people subscribed to the mailing list, and the longer we wait, the more people will have to move if we make a change. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Mon Oct 8 04:42:53 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:42:53 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > I urge you to voice them here. At this time, I only work with old-fashioned mailing lists (no groups, forums etc.). If the solution does not send me e-mails, I am quite sure I will miss out about everything. Maybe an RSS feed from a forum could be a more modern solution ? But that's just me. Peter From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 05:33:01 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:33:01 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] [Fwd: Re: Mailing list or Google group] Message-ID: <4709F94D.70301@xaop.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:22:41 +0200 Size: 2007 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/a869b382/attachment.mht From tom at 10to1.be Mon Oct 8 05:36:04 2007 From: tom at 10to1.be (Tom Klaasen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:36:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just voicing my opinion: I prefer to receive updates in my mailbox. Second choice is an RSS feed. Web forums (where you have to go out and check) don't work for me: after a while, I forget they exist. Just my ? 0.02, On 10/8/07, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > I urge you to voice them here. > > At this time, I only work with old-fashioned mailing lists > (no groups, forums etc.). If the solution does not send me > e-mails, I am quite sure I will miss out about everything. > Maybe an RSS feed from a forum could be a more modern > solution ? > > But that's just me. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- Tom Klaasen 10to1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The size of the hardware-boxes is a question we can answer after analysing the dataset/size. Contact me for more details discussions/meetings/examples/experience/... Rgds, Bernard On 08 Oct 2007, at 09:49, Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone on track with the development of a API to make > the data in a huge database available online using Rails? > > It?s a rather big client with a very extensive catalogue. > Any examples, papers on this topic? > > Any thoughts on what kind of hardware we need? > ( dedicated machine? Security? ) > > groetjes, > Bram > > =================== > > > > we are Mr. Henry > i am Bram Plessers > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > we like sound scapes > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/c4928d2b/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 08:18:25 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:18:25 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470A2011.70805@xaop.com> Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > most (all?) of the people can understand it. Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the long term, providing translations for at least the most important content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From alain.ravet at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 08:27:48 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:27:48 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: Peter stated it, but it's worth repeating : "rubyforge + Google Group" doesn't work well (at all). Meaning: if you want to receive each mail posted to the list, then you MUST subscribe to the Rubyforge group (because the GoogleGroug is just a mirror in this configuration, and you cannot ask it/select the 'send me every email' option). So, please refrain from voting for 'Rubyforge + Google Group' unless you have actually tried it (I have), and it's good enough for you. Alain Ravet From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 09:19:53 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:19:53 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Message-ID: <470A2E79.4070801@xaop.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:16:58 +0200 Size: 2504 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/83fb6934/attachment.mht From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 12:57:20 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:57:20 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Message-ID: <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > Hi all, > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. Comments? Other suggestions? Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven Xaop From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:30:33 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:30:33 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470A2011.70805@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> <470A2011.70805@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081230of875cdewd58669f2cf551ea7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > > most (all?) of the people can understand it. > > Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But > the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the > ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information > in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the > long term, providing translations for at least the most important > content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter > suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. > Fair enough, I also do agree that providing translations is definitely a good idea, if we focus on English content first. We could even compete with the .fr or .nl monolingual groups :-) Laurent From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:32:04 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:32:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081232l4b9fd0b8o99322678b979e2a0@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. > > > Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice > if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at > brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer > possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or > belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, > brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, > .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. > ruby-lang.be sounds nice. What about rubybe.org which is a bit shorter? # The Ruby France association uses rubyfr.org. Laurent From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:42:30 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:42:30 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081242x1cc8cddcof102d7a66c4c40f7@mail.gmail.com> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend FOSDEM this time (I will unfortunately be in the US). But I can ask my employer if he wants to sponsor my travel, which could be possible. I can also ask the usual RubyConf speakers if any of them is willing to give a talk there. I'm sure we can easily attract them with beer and/or chocolate :-) Laurent On 10/8/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > Peter, > > A room for Ruby, ok > > You can ask to Laurent Sansonetti If he can come to the Fosdem, to present > RubyCocoa. > > For the presentations in the room, some ideas ( I am a developer, so it's a > list of presentation about the development :d ) > > - Ruby & DSL ( with the metaprogramming ) ( sorry Peter :d ) > How to write a small DSL > if you work with a compiled language, how to generate a source code ( > write a source code to generate classes or a structure of database :d ) > How to be a smart devel ( generate source code with ruby ) > > - XML with Ruby > REXML, libxml, xpath, SOAP, XML Schema, XSLT ( ruby-xslt produces an > extension with libexslt, to introduce some ruby code to the exslt engine ). > > - Camping ( static website ) & Rails ( dynamic ) and MERB > - small presentation of Mongrel ( directory handler, ... ) > - Use ActiveRecord without Rails, > - How to create a gem with newgem, ... > - Very important BDD, RSpec, Runit, autotest, ... > > About the administration with Ruby, > - How to move Python or Perl to the trash can ? ( joke, I like Python :d ) > - How to write a daemon with ruby ? ( for Windows, a NT Service ). > > A good presentation with ruby-gtk2, ruby-qt4, or RubyFOX ? > > Regards, > > Stephane, > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:55:25 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:55:25 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081255pa32ed31m9ed4cc08a29dc9d2@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > I have created a poll, and you can vote here: > > http://www.doodle.ch/nm8u5bh7g3cmhtke > Where is the "facebook group" option? :-) Seriously, I'm for a simple mailing list, as it is now. The Google group AFAIK requires a Google account, which everybody may not have. Also, the rubyforge folks (well, Tom) are very responsive when something bad happens or when something needs to be quickly changed. Laurent From alain.ravet at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 05:43:27 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:43:27 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? http://ruby-ug.be http://rug-be.org/ http://be-rug.org/ They are all available at the moment. To stay in the group admin subject, we could found those expenses by selling items around our newly designed - thanks Hans - and unique logo. - lapel pins - mugs - T-Shirts I don't know the European equivalent of Cafepress.com. If anybody has some information in that matter, shoot. Alain Ravet From bernard at openminds.be Tue Oct 9 06:21:22 2007 From: bernard at openminds.be (Bernard Grymonpon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:21:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Stage - internship Message-ID: Hi list, Something completely different: if someone knows some students who have to do a "internship" during their last year in school (graduates, engineering, computer science...), we have serveral projects using Ruby and/or Ruby on Rails. Feel free to spread the word if you think someone might be searching for such a spot, as I assume internships with ruby/rails are not that easy to find, and we are more intrested in interns who are eager about ruby/rails. More info (in dutch, sorry) here: http://www.openminds.be/losse- paginas/stageopdrachten-2007-2008, pdf version here: http:// www.openminds.be/file_download/2 Rgds, Bernard From hans at verschooten.com Tue Oct 9 06:24:39 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:24:39 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've a question that's been on my mind for a while now. If I have a Model for a House. A house can have many properties that describe it, the kind of roof, the windows, how many floors, orientation, ... Looking at an interface to create or update the house, this would mean a lot of select boxes. Now my question is, how would you set this up. Every option a separate model,for ex a house has_one rooftype. Or is there another way, for ex. to group all options in one database and then use polymorphic associations. What is the common practice for such things? Any tips are appreciated. Thanks, Hans From dieter.dhaeyere at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 06:28:22 2007 From: dieter.dhaeyere at gmail.com (Dieter D'haeyere) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:28:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Brug-talk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <869ace850710090328y102e0389y71ff5fca85cb051a@mail.gmail.com> maybe brugonrails.be could be a combination of two worlds ? Sincerely, Dieter. On 10/9/07, brug-talk-request at rubyforge.org wrote: > Send Brug-talk mailing list submissions to > brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > brug-talk-request at rubyforge.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > brug-talk-owner at rubyforge.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Brug-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Setup BRUG website (Peter Vanbroekhoven) > 2. Re: Mailing list or Google group (Alain Ravet) > 3. Re: Mailing list or Google group (Peter Vanbroekhoven) > 4. Re: Setup BRUG website (Peter Vanbroekhoven) > 5. Re: Setup BRUG website (Laurent Sansonetti) > 6. Re: Setup BRUG website (Laurent Sansonetti) > 7. Re: Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? (Laurent Sansonetti) > 8. Re: Mailing list or Google group (Laurent Sansonetti) > 9. Re: Setup BRUG website (Alain Ravet) > 10. Stage - internship (Bernard Grymonpon) > 11. Technical question (Hans verschooten) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:18:25 +0200 > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: <470A2011.70805 at xaop.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > > most (all?) of the people can understand it. > > Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But > the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the > ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information > in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the > long term, providing translations for at least the most important > content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter > suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. > > Regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:27:48 +0200 > From: "Alain Ravet" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Peter stated it, but it's worth repeating : > "rubyforge + Google Group" > doesn't work well (at all). > > Meaning: if you want to receive each mail posted to the list, then you > MUST subscribe to the Rubyforge group (because the GoogleGroug is just > a mirror in this configuration, and you cannot ask it/select the 'send > me every email' option). > > So, please refrain from voting for 'Rubyforge + Google Group' unless > you have actually tried it (I have), and it's good enough for you. > > Alain Ravet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:19:53 +0200 > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: <470A2E79.4070801 at xaop.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An embedded message was scrubbed... > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:16:58 +0200 > Size: 2504 > Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/83fb6934/attachment-0001.mht > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:57:20 +0200 > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: <470A6170.7060602 at xaop.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. > > > Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice > if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at > brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer > possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or > belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, > brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, > .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. > > Comments? Other suggestions? > > Regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > Xaop > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:30:33 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081230of875cdewd58669f2cf551ea7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > > > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > > > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > > > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > > > most (all?) of the people can understand it. > > > > Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But > > the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the > > ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information > > in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the > > long term, providing translations for at least the most important > > content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter > > suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. > > > > Fair enough, I also do agree that providing translations is definitely > a good idea, if we focus on English content first. We could even > compete with the .fr or .nl monolingual groups :-) > > Laurent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:32:04 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081232l4b9fd0b8o99322678b979e2a0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > > > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > > > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > > > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > > > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > > > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. > > > > > > Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice > > if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at > > brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer > > possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or > > belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, > > brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, > > .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. > > > > ruby-lang.be sounds nice. What about rubybe.org which is a bit shorter? > > # The Ruby France association uses rubyfr.org. > > Laurent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:42:30 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081242x1cc8cddcof102d7a66c4c40f7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm afraid I won't be able to attend FOSDEM this time (I will > unfortunately be in the US). But I can ask my employer if he wants to > sponsor my travel, which could be possible. > > I can also ask the usual RubyConf speakers if any of them is willing > to give a talk there. I'm sure we can easily attract them with beer > and/or chocolate :-) > > Laurent > > On 10/8/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > > Peter, > > > > A room for Ruby, ok > > > > You can ask to Laurent Sansonetti If he can come to the Fosdem, to present > > RubyCocoa. > > > > For the presentations in the room, some ideas ( I am a developer, so it's a > > list of presentation about the development :d ) > > > > - Ruby & DSL ( with the metaprogramming ) ( sorry Peter :d ) > > How to write a small DSL > > if you work with a compiled language, how to generate a source code ( > > write a source code to generate classes or a structure of database :d ) > > How to be a smart devel ( generate source code with ruby ) > > > > - XML with Ruby > > REXML, libxml, xpath, SOAP, XML Schema, XSLT ( ruby-xslt produces an > > extension with libexslt, to introduce some ruby code to the exslt engine ). > > > > - Camping ( static website ) & Rails ( dynamic ) and MERB > > - small presentation of Mongrel ( directory handler, ... ) > > - Use ActiveRecord without Rails, > > - How to create a gem with newgem, ... > > - Very important BDD, RSpec, Runit, autotest, ... > > > > About the administration with Ruby, > > - How to move Python or Perl to the trash can ? ( joke, I like Python :d ) > > - How to write a daemon with ruby ? ( for Windows, a NT Service ). > > > > A good presentation with ruby-gtk2, ruby-qt4, or RubyFOX ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephane, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:55:25 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081255pa32ed31m9ed4cc08a29dc9d2 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > I have created a poll, and you can vote here: > > > > http://www.doodle.ch/nm8u5bh7g3cmhtke > > > > Where is the "facebook group" option? :-) > > Seriously, I'm for a simple mailing list, as it is now. The Google > group AFAIK requires a Google account, which everybody may not have. > > Also, the rubyforge folks (well, Tom) are very responsive when > something bad happens or when something needs to be quickly changed. > > Laurent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:43:27 +0200 > From: "Alain Ravet" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? > > http://ruby-ug.be > http://rug-be.org/ > http://be-rug.org/ > > They are all available at the moment. > > To stay in the group admin subject, we could found those expenses by > selling items around our newly designed - thanks Hans - and unique > logo. > - lapel pins > - mugs > - T-Shirts > > I don't know the European equivalent of Cafepress.com. If anybody has > some information in that matter, shoot. > > Alain Ravet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:21:22 +0200 > From: Bernard Grymonpon > Subject: [Brug-talk] Stage - internship > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi list, > > Something completely different: if someone knows some students who > have to do a "internship" during their last year in school > (graduates, engineering, computer science...), we have serveral > projects using Ruby and/or Ruby on Rails. > > Feel free to spread the word if you think someone might be searching > for such a spot, as I assume internships with ruby/rails are not that > easy to find, and we are more intrested in interns who are eager > about ruby/rails. > > More info (in dutch, sorry) here: http://www.openminds.be/losse- > paginas/stageopdrachten-2007-2008, pdf version here: http:// > www.openminds.be/file_download/2 > > Rgds, > Bernard > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:24:39 +0200 > From: "Hans verschooten" > Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > I've a question that's been on my mind for a while now. > If I have a Model for a House. A house can have many properties that > describe it, the kind of roof, the windows, how many floors, > orientation, ... > Looking at an interface to create or update the house, this would mean > a lot of select boxes. > > Now my question is, how would you set this up. Every option a separate > model,for ex a house has_one rooftype. Or is there another way, for > ex. to group all options in one database and then use polymorphic > associations. > > What is the common practice for such things? Any tips are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Hans > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > End of Brug-talk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 > **************************************** > From peter at vandenabeele.com Tue Oct 9 10:49:31 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:49:31 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/9/07, Alain Ravet wrote: > > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? > > http://ruby-ug.be > http://rug-be.org/ > http://be-rug.org/ > > They are all available at the moment. Just some loose ideas (nto good as such, but can trigger other (better) ideas): * I think that domains with a - are less good * RubyBelgium.be ??? * Rubium.be ??? * rubug.be ??? * rubyug.be ??? * usergroup.ruby.be ??? * brug.ruby.be ??? (only if the owner of ruby.be wants commit to yield this subdomain permanently and irrevocably to this usergroup ?) Peter From peter at xaop.com Tue Oct 9 11:27:11 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:27:11 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Just some loose ideas (nto good as such, but can trigger other (better) ideas): > > * I think that domains with a - are less good > * RubyBelgium.be ??? > * Rubium.be ??? > * rubug.be ??? > * rubyug.be ??? > > * usergroup.ruby.be ??? > * brug.ruby.be ??? > (only if the owner of ruby.be wants commit to yield this > subdomain permanently and irrevocably to this usergroup ?) First of all, I would prefer a domain name that has the name of the user group in it. This is for instant recognition, but also to differentiate from other user groups that may emerge in the future even though maybe we hope that won't happen. Currently, the name is BRUG. We could still change it, though it has seeped into a lot of places already, like the mailing list names, the Rubyforge project, announcements, ... It can be a subdomain of a domain that does not mention a user group at all, just Ruby. Also, I tend to dislike domain names that just concatenate words and abbreviations. On the other hand, I don't mind dashes (-) in domain names. I guess that is a personal preference. The ideal to me is brug.ruby.be, but then I would like to get hold of the top level domain as well because it allows us to go broader if this thing takes off and we offer information, activities, etc. outside the user group itself. Or am I dreaming too much? Hmmmm, another possiblity is rubyist.be. One existing word, no compromises, and available. User group would be brug.rubyist.be. In my opinion, after ruby.be, this is the next best thing. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From frank at openminds.be Tue Oct 9 11:46:36 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:46:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> Message-ID: <531CB470-421C-43AB-97E7-44D096CF571F@openminds.be> On 09 Oct 2007, at 17:27, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Peter Vandenabeele wrote: >> Just some loose ideas (nto good as such, but can trigger other >> (better) ideas): >> >> * I think that domains with a - are less good >> * RubyBelgium.be ??? >> * Rubium.be ??? >> * rubug.be ??? >> * rubyug.be ??? >> >> * usergroup.ruby.be ??? >> * brug.ruby.be ??? >> (only if the owner of ruby.be wants commit to yield this >> subdomain permanently and irrevocably to this usergroup ?) > > First of all, I would prefer a domain name that has the name of the > user > group in it. This is for instant recognition, but also to > differentiate > from other user groups that may emerge in the future even though maybe > we hope that won't happen. Currently, the name is BRUG. We could still > change it, though it has seeped into a lot of places already, like the > mailing list names, the Rubyforge project, announcements, ... It > can be > a subdomain of a domain that does not mention a user group at all, > just > Ruby. > I happen to know the licensee of the brug.be domain. I'll check with him what his plans for this domain are and if he is willing to donate it to us. Frank From frank at openminds.be Tue Oct 9 12:00:47 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:00:47 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <531CB470-421C-43AB-97E7-44D096CF571F@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> <531CB470-421C-43AB-97E7-44D096CF571F@openminds.be> Message-ID: <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> On 09 Oct 2007, at 17:46, Frank Louwers wrote: > > On 09 Oct 2007, at 17:27, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > >> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: >>> Just some loose ideas (nto good as such, but can trigger other >>> (better) ideas): >>> >>> * I think that domains with a - are less good >>> * RubyBelgium.be ??? >>> * Rubium.be ??? >>> * rubug.be ??? >>> * rubyug.be ??? >>> >>> * usergroup.ruby.be ??? >>> * brug.ruby.be ??? >>> (only if the owner of ruby.be wants commit to yield this >>> subdomain permanently and irrevocably to this usergroup ?) >> >> First of all, I would prefer a domain name that has the name of the >> user >> group in it. This is for instant recognition, but also to >> differentiate >> from other user groups that may emerge in the future even though >> maybe >> we hope that won't happen. Currently, the name is BRUG. We could >> still >> change it, though it has seeped into a lot of places already, like >> the >> mailing list names, the Rubyforge project, announcements, ... It >> can be >> a subdomain of a domain that does not mention a user group at all, >> just >> Ruby. >> > > I happen to know the licensee of the brug.be domain. I'll check with > him what his plans for this domain are and if he is willing to donate > it to us. > This is the reply I got from the current owner: --- Geen probleem, dit mag zeker gebruikt worden door de BRUG. Twee voorwaarden: - Wij blijven eigenaar. - Tekstlink op de site naar Netlash? --- Translated: No problem, can be used by BRUG, but 2 conditions: - they remain the owner - the want a textlink from the homepage of the site to their site F > > Frank > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From peter at xaop.com Tue Oct 9 12:28:02 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:28:02 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> <531CB470-421C-43AB-97E7-44D096CF571F@openminds.be> <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> Message-ID: <470BAC12.80905@xaop.com> Frank Louwers wrote: > This is the reply I got from the current owner: > > --- > Geen probleem, dit mag zeker gebruikt worden door de BRUG. > Twee voorwaarden: > - Wij blijven eigenaar. > - Tekstlink op de site naar Netlash? > --- > > Translated: No problem, can be used by BRUG, but 2 conditions: > - they remain the owner > - the want a textlink from the homepage of the site to their site Great. But to be honest, my favorite for the moment is rubyist.be, and a subdomain brug.rubyist.be for the BRUG. The way I see it, our main goal is to bring Ruby to Belgium. The user group is only one facet of this. It's an important facet, but a facet nonetheless. Having this reflected in the domain name is a good thing, because this nuance *will* matter if this Ruby-Belgium thing kicks off. In a way, brug.be would keep us captive inside the BRUG notion. Symbolically only, sure, but symbols do matter. But all pseudo-psychological babble aside, I just think that having a superdomain to that of the BRUG may come in handy sooner or later. If we never need it, no harm done, if we do, we can save on curses. My ?0.02. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From alain.ravet at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 16:15:58 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:15:58 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> <531CB470-421C-43AB-97E7-44D096CF571F@openminds.be> <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> Message-ID: rubyusers.be is available. > brug.be > Translated: No problem, can be used by BRUG, but 2 conditions: > - they remain the owner > - the want a textlink from the homepage of the site to their site If they don't want to donate the url without condition, let's find another name. Alain Ravet From stijn.pint at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 17:31:59 2007 From: stijn.pint at gmail.com (Stijn Pint) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:31:59 -0000 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Hi all, Quite an active discussion here :-) I like rubybelgium.be (or something similar), I think it 's good to have a name that is not directly associated with the usergroup. On the other hand it might be a good idea to also register a name more specific to the usergroup, afterwards we can still decide to make two different websites for them (since the target audience may differ). Regards, Stijn Pint XaoP On 9 okt, 16:49, "Peter Vandenabeele" wrote: > On 10/9/07, Alain Ravet wrote: > > > > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? > > >http://ruby-ug.be > >http://rug-be.org/ > >http://be-rug.org/ > > > They are all available at the moment. > > Just some loose ideas (nto good as such, but can trigger other (better) ideas): > > * I think that domains with a - are less good > * RubyBelgium.be ??? > * Rubium.be ??? > * rubug.be ??? > * rubyug.be ??? > > * usergroup.ruby.be ??? > * brug.ruby.be ??? > (only if the owner of ruby.be wants commit to yield this > subdomain permanently and irrevocably to this usergroup ?) > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-t... at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From peter at vandenabeele.com Tue Oct 9 18:01:52 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:01:52 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: On 10/9/07, Stijn Pint wrote: > I like rubybelgium.be (or something similar), I think it 's good to > have a name that is not directly associated with the usergroup. Maybe taking the best of previous posts, we end up with: * we register rubybelgium.be and assign it to the usergroup (it can be a "de facto" vereniging for now) (that domein is such an easy and logical name, we should urgently claim it in name of the BRUG). ==> Who will do this ? (if no one else will, I will; not with the intention of hijacking it, but before someone else does ... and try to register it under the name of "Belgian Ruby User Group, feitelijke vereniging" afterwards, we can sign a litle paper with a few people that decide to set-up the "feitelijke vereniging") * we use the brug.rubybelgium.be subdomein for the BRUG * on rubybelgium.be , we simply put a few relevant links (to brug.rubybelgium.be , to official ruby and rails sites etc.) * we might also put commercial.rubybelgium.be (and try to keep it in a decent, objective, neutral format ... if we charge a minimal fee for being a sponsor there, the operational costs can even be carried by that subdomain; it must allow gratis listing also for companies and suppliers that prefer not to pay). Any volunteer to take this up (please act quickly before the domain is hijacked by a single commercial entity). Peter From brug at defv.be Tue Oct 9 18:10:13 2007 From: brug at defv.be (Jan De Poorter) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:10:13 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> Hi, I don't really like rubybelgium.be, too long, and with the .be ccTLD you are saying the same thing twice. I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or something like ruby-be.org. regards, Jan De Poorter Openminds Stijn Pint wrote: > Hi all, > > Quite an active discussion here :-) > I like rubybelgium.be (or something similar), I think it 's good to > have a name that is not directly associated with the usergroup. > On the other hand it might be a good idea to also register a name more > specific to the usergroup, afterwards we can still decide to make two > different websites for them (since the target audience may differ). > > Regards, > > Stijn Pint > XaoP > From peter at xaop.com Tue Oct 9 18:32:12 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:32:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website Message-ID: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:31:11 +0200 Size: 1064 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071010/b257808a/attachment.mht From koen at atog.be Wed Oct 10 03:19:32 2007 From: koen at atog.be (Koen Van der Auwera) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:19:32 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> References: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> Message-ID: +1 for rubyist.be, shorter is better indeed. Koen. On 10/10/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > To: Jan De Poorter > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:31:11 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > Jan De Poorter wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I don't really like rubybelgium.be, too long, and with the .be ccTLD you > > are saying the same thing twice. I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or > > something like ruby-be.org. > > > Hehe, I was going to say the same thing: it violates the DRY principle ;-) > > Regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071010/1e2cc5a7/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 10 04:04:54 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:04:54 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> Message-ID: <470C87A6.9000608@xaop.com> One other thing: rubyist is not original in a domain name. http://www.rubyist.net/~matz is Matz' blog. It's not bad to follow a pattern in domain names. And besides, it gets us a little bit on par with Matz ;-) Sorry if I come off strongly in favor of my own suggestion, but it fits pretty much every requirement I have for a domain name: * short, to the point * Ruby, not BRUG, so we can create subdomains to our liking (like rails.rubyist.net ;-) * I find names like ruby-be.org confusing and harder to remember. If you want be or Belgium in it, put it at the end, period. * has some precedent * personally, I like the ring of "Rubyist" Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From svv at xaop.com Wed Oct 10 02:19:55 2007 From: svv at xaop.com (Stijn Van Vreckem) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:19:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <470B9DCF.3060303@xaop.com> <531CB470-421C-43AB-97E7-44D096CF571F@openminds.be> <74F3F03F-6FC2-4F6E-974B-0CB770CAB266@openminds.be> Message-ID: <470C6F0B.40902@xaop.com> Frank, Can we use the full DNS or only a subdomain of ruby.be ? Regards, Stijn Van Vreckem >This is the reply I got from the current owner: > >--- >Geen probleem, dit mag zeker gebruikt worden door de BRUG. >Twee voorwaarden: >- Wij blijven eigenaar. >- Tekstlink op de site naar Netlash? >--- > >Translated: No problem, can be used by BRUG, but 2 conditions: >- they remain the owner >- the want a textlink from the homepage of the site to their site > > > From alain.ravet at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 15:26:49 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:26:49 -0000 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> Message-ID: <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> > I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or sounds a lost like hobbyist, don't you think? Would be the ideal home for the "Ruby for your Hobby" group though :) Alain Ravet From alain.ravet at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 15:31:01 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:31:01 -0000 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470C87A6.9000608@xaop.com> References: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> <470C87A6.9000608@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1192044661.410963.98930@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> > * I find names like ruby-be.org confusing and harder to remember. After ruby.xx, it's the name that scales the best. We could start a trends : ruby-xx.org Alain Ravet From bernard at dub.be Wed Oct 10 16:02:03 2007 From: bernard at dub.be (Bernard Dubuisson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:02:03 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <30F3A7BE-7FA7-41FB-AA68-32A1CCFDFAF0@dub.be> On 10 Oct 2007, at 21:26, Alain Ravet wrote: > >> I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or > > sounds a lost like hobbyist, don't you think? > Would be the ideal home for the "Ruby for your Hobby" group though :) That would obviously be the job of hobby.rubyist.be ;-) Personnaly, I'd favour ruby.be if the owner is OK, if not rubyist.be seems fine as well as rubybelgium.be. My poor brains would prefer a domain name easy to remember over a shorter or an more accurate one (like ruby-be.org and its dashed friends). Think del.icio.us. What about icodeinruby.be, rubycoders.be, rubythelanguage.be, weloveruby.be, or even users.loveruby.be (with nifty subdomains like developpers.loveruby.be, railers.loveruby.be). Mmh... maybe too funky, right? We need geek-credibility ;-) Ultimately, whatever name gets picked will be a good choice de facto. With no first class name at hand, this could be an endless debate, so I'd tend to favor Peter's initiative to book something, quick. Just my two cents. Bernard Dubuisson --- bernard at dub.be 0479 416 860 > > > Alain Ravet > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071010/ba494a45/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 10 17:02:30 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:02:30 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <30F3A7BE-7FA7-41FB-AA68-32A1CCFDFAF0@dub.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <30F3A7BE-7FA7-41FB-AA68-32A1CCFDFAF0@dub.be> Message-ID: <470D3DE6.10903@xaop.com> Bernard, Bernard Dubuisson wrote: > Ultimately, whatever name gets picked will be a good choice de facto. > With no first class name at hand, this could be an endless debate, so > I'd tend to favor Peter's initiative to book something, quick. I agree. But we still have a knot to cut. I guess you just volunteered to be the impartial judge who will choose from all suggestions made by other people (sorry ;-) You obviously can't be impartial if you choose from your own suggestions (I interpreted these as made in jest anyway.) Note that ruby.be is not an available choice; the domain Frank informed about was brug.be. Please decide quickly so we can move on. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Wed Oct 10 17:08:48 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:08:48 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> Message-ID: On 10/10/07, Jan De Poorter wrote: > I don't really like rubybelgium.be, too long, and with the .be ccTLD you > are saying the same thing twice. I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or > something like ruby-be.org. FWIW, I beg to differ. The -ist thing doesn't sound with me ... I prefer a longer name that is easier to remember and that consists of simple _plain_ (full, not abbreviated) words, that are easy to pronouce and understand. If we want to do Ruby in Belgium, let's just call it that way. Why make it more difficult ? Hey, but in the end it is irrelevant what the name is, as long as it is unique (that means not already taken in google, DNS and in TradeMark land). * Google(rubyist) : 640,000 hits * Google (RubyBelgium) : 0 hits That's clear to me ... Peter From frank at openminds.be Wed Oct 10 02:24:39 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:24:39 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1F035F93-A41E-4348-A367-D32C599FF2B3@openminds.be> On 10 Oct 2007, at 00:01, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > > ==> Who will do this ? (if no one else will, I will; not with the > intention of hijacking it, but before someone else does ... > and try to register it under the name of "Belgian Ruby User > Group, feitelijke vereniging" afterwards, we can sign a litle > paper with a few people that decide to set-up the "feitelijke > vereniging") > Whatever domain "we" choose, just to let you know that we are a .be/.eu/.whatever agent and will of course register it for free for the BRUG and fullfil all administrative duties. Just send us a mail once the final name has been chosen, and I'll make sure it is registered. I like rubyist.be btw :) F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071010/44d7d534/attachment.html From brug at defv.be Wed Oct 10 19:07:29 2007 From: brug at defv.be (Jan De Poorter) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:07:29 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Multilingual Plugin for Radiant 1.6.3 Message-ID: <470D5B31.4080801@defv.be> Hello, For those of you using RadiantCMS (a Rails based CMS), we have just finished a extension that makes it multilingual (Maybe something for the new BRUG site?). You can find all information about the extension at http://www.openminds.be/article/radiant-site-language-extension. More info about the implementation itself can be found at http://lists.radiantcms.org/pipermail/radiant/2007-October/006670.html Please feel free to give any comments! Kind regards, Bernard Grymonpon & Jan De Poorter Openminds From brug at defv.be Wed Oct 10 19:06:04 2007 From: brug at defv.be (Jan De Poorter) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:06:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> Message-ID: <470D5ADC.60109@defv.be> Google isn't a good way to pick a name Peter, if I search for RubyBelgium I'll obviously know about the group, and I might as well surf to RubyBelgium.be. The fact is we want people googling for "Ruby in Belgium", "Rails Belgium", "Ruby on Rails belgium", ... and in that case domain names don't really matter. I still think rubyist is an excellent name by the way :-) or ruby-lang.be or something. PS: Trademarks don't matter in domain name disputes. Rgrds, Jan Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > On 10/10/07, Jan De Poorter wrote: > >> I don't really like rubybelgium.be, too long, and with the .be ccTLD you >> are saying the same thing twice. I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or >> something like ruby-be.org. >> > > FWIW, I beg to differ. The -ist thing doesn't sound with me ... > I prefer a longer name that is easier to remember and that > consists of simple _plain_ (full, not abbreviated) words, that > are easy to pronouce and understand. > > If we want to do Ruby in Belgium, let's just call it that way. > Why make it more difficult ? > > Hey, but in the end it is irrelevant what the name is, as long > as it is unique (that means not already taken in google, DNS > and in TradeMark land). > > * Google(rubyist) : 640,000 hits > * Google (RubyBelgium) : 0 hits > > That's clear to me ... > > Peter > From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 10 19:49:53 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:49:53 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> Message-ID: <470D6521.2050203@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > FWIW, I beg to differ. The -ist thing doesn't sound with me ... > I prefer a longer name that is easier to remember and that > consists of simple _plain_ (full, not abbreviated) words, that > are easy to pronouce and understand. > > If we want to do Ruby in Belgium, let's just call it that way. > Why make it more difficult ? > > Hey, but in the end it is irrelevant what the name is, as long > as it is unique (that means not already taken in google, DNS > and in TradeMark land). > > * Google(rubyist) : 640,000 hits > * Google (RubyBelgium) : 0 hits > > That's clear to me ... > I'm going to sound way too much like a moderator here, but could you please refrain from using these kinds of arguments. They don't really help. For one thing, "Why make it more difficult ?" and "That's clear to me ..." are the kind of phrases usually used by politicians that start to feel cornered and want to bluff their way out. They don't belong in a sound discussion. I can rephrase "If we want to do Ruby in Belgium, let's just call it that way." as "If we want to be Rubyists in Belgium, let's call it that way." Exactly the same argument, different outcome. It's not a good argument. Your last argument presents statistics, and I'm sure you know what Mark Twain said about those. For starters, I'd compare rubyist.be and rubybelgium.be instead, again with an outcome different from yours. Second, my only conclusion from your search would be that concatenating words can significantly lower the number of search results you get. Finally, Google is not used to search for domain names. Actually, domain names itself are not included in its search (although I often wished they were). Google can be used to search names of sites (not the same as domain names), but usually you don't concatenate words there because there is no reason for it. So I don't see the point of using Google statistics in this way. It saddens me that we have come to this. It is time this discussion comes to an end. I hope Bernard rises to the challenge and selects a name for us. I could create a poll *again*, but all this bickering about what are essentially preferences is getting really ridiculous and I hope to short-circuit it this time. Also, maybe it's a good idea to move these kinds of discussions to the admin list. All the traffic we are causing is drowning out regular posts, and it is really an admin issue. We'll finish this one here as I hope it comes to an end Real Soon Now. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 20:06:15 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:06:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470C87A6.9000608@xaop.com> References: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> <470C87A6.9000608@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710101706v10483a01gece660785b7777dc@mail.gmail.com> On 10/10/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > One other thing: rubyist is not original in a domain name. > http://www.rubyist.net/~matz is Matz' blog. It's not bad to follow a > pattern in domain names. And besides, it gets us a little bit on par > with Matz ;-) Definitely, I also do like rubyist.be :-) Since we are talking about a belgian Ruby user group, the name does fit pretty well. An insanely great idea would also be to provide some (limited) web hosting for the members, like rubyist.net does :-) > * I find names like ruby-be.org confusing and harder to remember. What about rubybe.org? (without the hyphen.) # But I do personally prefer rubyist.be. Laurent From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 10 16:41:44 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:41:44 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <470D3908.5080409@xaop.com> Alain Ravet wrote: > > I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or > > sounds a lost like hobbyist, don't you think? > Would be the ideal home for the "Ruby for your Hobby" group though :) > Funny you should say that. Rubyist is the name that the Ruby community uses for a Ruby developer. Every prominent figure in the Ruby community calls himself a rubyist, including Matz himself. So you have just insulted pretty much all of them... ;-) Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 11 01:58:12 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:58:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1be7247c0710101706v10483a01gece660785b7777dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <470C016C.5050805@xaop.com> <470C87A6.9000608@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710101706v10483a01gece660785b7777dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710102258s53b46906td4f18ca4794a5701@mail.gmail.com> rubyist.be +1 From jbescoyez at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 02:55:16 2007 From: jbescoyez at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Escoyez) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:55:16 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470DC8D4.80600@escoyez.be> Hi all! Since it is my first post on the mailing-list, I gonna introduce myself (maybe we already met at the first brug meeting). I'm a 24 years old ruby enthusiast based in Louvain-la-Neuve. I started with Rails about one year ago. At this time, I was producing my master thesis "Analysing quality attributes of web application frameworks through architectural tradeoffs" in which I compare 3 different frameworks (Rails, Zope 3 and Seaside). Since then, I fell in love with Rails and Ruby and, today, I work professionally with Rails starting as a freelance web developer. I'm interested to spread Ruby and Rails in Belgium by doing organizational and communicational work. I also created a website (frailers.net (still in construction)) to gather and sort Rails technical articles published by the french Rails community. Now, I introduced myself, let's make something more productive such... proposing a name for the brug website since it seems to be the big question. My idea : www.b-rug.be (concise, self-speaking, close to brug) or brug.b-ruby.be or both with redirection. Hope it will be helpful, Jean-Baptiste From peter at vandenabeele.com Thu Oct 11 03:53:58 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:53:58 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470D6521.2050203@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <470D6521.2050203@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/11/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Peter Vandenabeele wrote: ... > > That's clear to me ... > > > I'm going to sound way too much like a moderator here, but could you > please refrain from using these kinds of arguments. Sorry to anyone if my argumentation sounded offensive ... I really meant what is says: "it sounds good to _me_", which means I accept that "me" is just one person, with my views but fully respecting other people's views as well. If a majority finds another idea better then I will fully accept that and that will not reduce my enthousiasm. I can certainly agree to "rubyist.be" if that would be the consensus outcome of this discussion. > It is time this discussion comes to an end. Indeed. No hard feelings, I hope ... Peter From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 04:10:54 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:10:54 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <470D6521.2050203@xaop.com> Message-ID: <470DDA8E.3030707@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Sorry to anyone if my argumentation sounded offensive ... > > I really meant what is says: "it sounds good to _me_", which means I > accept that "me" is just one person, with my views but fully respecting > other people's views as well. > > If a majority finds another idea better then I will fully accept that and that > will not reduce my enthousiasm. I can certainly agree to "rubyist.be" if > that would be the consensus outcome of this discussion. I know. Now we can start the "no, we'll go with your favorite" fight ;-) > No hard feelings, I hope ... Not at all. For the moment, I'm just very happy that you understood the point of my last post. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Thu Oct 11 04:18:42 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:18:42 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470DDA8E.3030707@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <470D6521.2050203@xaop.com> <470DDA8E.3030707@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/11/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > > No hard feelings, I hope ... > > Not at all. Thanks :-) Peter From tom at 10to1.be Thu Oct 11 04:38:28 2007 From: tom at 10to1.be (Tom Klaasen) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:38:28 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans, Is your question about how to avoid all those dropdown boxes, or about how to persist everything in a database? Assuming the second one, the answer is: it depends :-) If you foresee only one type of house (say, a traditional one-family home), you might want to make all relations explicit (with the risk of having high maintenance cost to add an attribute to your model) If you want to model multiple sorts of houses (eg appartments and boat houses), you might want to go for a more generic approach, which allows you to be flexible in your model, but has a detoriated performance and risks to make business logic hard to maintain. The generic approach models everything in 4 tables: 'objects', 'attributes', 'object types' and 'attribute types'. You'll probably end up with a mix of both. Don't hesitate to ask for more clarification. (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) hth, Tom Klaasen 10to1 http://www.10to1.be +32 475 28 17 62 On 10/9/07, Hans verschooten wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've a question that's been on my mind for a while now. > If I have a Model for a House. A house can have many properties that > describe it, the kind of roof, the windows, how many floors, > orientation, ... > Looking at an interface to create or update the house, this would mean > a lot of select boxes. > > Now my question is, how would you set this up. Every option a separate > model,for ex a house has_one rooftype. Or is there another way, for > ex. to group all options in one database and then use polymorphic > associations. > > What is the common practice for such things? 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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071011/4765b9d7/attachment.html From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 06:21:14 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:21:14 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470D3908.5080409@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470D3908.5080409@xaop.com> Message-ID: > Alain Ravet wrote: > > > I'm in favor of rubyist.be, or > > sounds a lost like hobbyist, don't you think? > > > Funny you should say that. Rubyist is the name that the Ruby community > uses for a Ruby developer. Every prominent figure in the Ruby community > calls himself a rubyist, including Matz himself. You learn everyday of your life; I didn't know that. > So you have just insulted pretty much all of them... ;-) I hate myself. Will do 42 push-ups, and beg for forgiveness. Alain From bernard at openminds.be Thu Oct 11 05:50:55 2007 From: bernard at openminds.be (Bernard Grymonpon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:50:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) > Hear hear! -bg From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 06:31:04 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:31:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/11/07, Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: > > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a > > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) > > > > Hear hear! +1 for reseting the reply-to to its old default: the list. I don't buy the argument that motivated the change: this mailing list is a community forum, and private replies are not the norm. Alain From brug at defv.be Thu Oct 11 06:39:05 2007 From: brug at defv.be (Jan De Poorter) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:39:05 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470DFD49.2060400@defv.be> Alain Ravet wrote: > On 10/11/07, Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > > > On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: > > > > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a > > > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) > > > > > > > Hear hear! > > +1 for reseting the reply-to to its old default: the list. > +1 from here too, I almost replyed to Alain again. regards, Jan From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 06:42:31 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:42:31 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Domain name Message-ID: <470DFE17.7090805@xaop.com> Hi all, After private conversations with Peter and Bernard (the "impartial judge" I've appointed), I've decided to go ahead and cut the knot myself. The main feeling is that we should just get this over with. The most support seems to be for rubyist.be, and that's what Bernard advised me to choose. (Actually, his first advice was to register both rubyist.be and rubybelgium.be so no one else can register them and create confusion. We can still do that, but that can easily lead to a never-ending story if other good alternative domain names come up.) Frank or Bernard (other one than above), could you set the gears in motion for registering rubyist.be? Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From koen at atog.be Thu Oct 11 06:46:14 2007 From: koen at atog.be (Koen Van der Auwera) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:46:14 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: <470DFD49.2060400@defv.be> References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> <470DFD49.2060400@defv.be> Message-ID: +1 I had the same problem yesterday! (and now again :)) Koen Van der Auwera 10to1 On 10/11/07, Jan De Poorter wrote: > > Alain Ravet wrote: > > On 10/11/07, Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > > > > > On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: > > > > > > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a > > > > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) > > > > > > > > > > Hear hear! > > > > +1 for reseting the reply-to to its old default: the list. > > > +1 from here too, I almost replyed to Alain again. > > regards, > Jan > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071011/82406a73/attachment.html From peter at vandenabeele.com Thu Oct 11 07:51:04 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:51:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/11/07, Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a > > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) > > Hear hear! I prefer to have the default reply to the sender (not the list) for reasons I stated before, but that's just me then. If a majority feels differently about it ... fine :-) Peter From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 08:09:57 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:09:57 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> <1191965519.950669.55220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470BFC45.6050905@defv.be> <1192044409.297419.161800@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <470D3908.5080409@xaop.com> Message-ID: <470E1295.3010907@xaop.com> Alain Ravet wrote: > I hate myself. Will do 42 push-ups, and beg for forgiveness. You are so lucky that the Ultimate Answer isn't something like 42000 ;-) Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From sschoet at imec.be Thu Oct 11 08:22:00 2007 From: sschoet at imec.be (Schoeters Simon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:22:00 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome BRUG! Message-ID: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A017B93@WINEX3.imec.be> Hi there, I just subscribed on the mailinglist as I read the announcement on DefV's blog. Great idea to start a Belgian Ruby group! Hope it grows out to something nice and useful. A website would be great for promotion and help to get new users aquatinted with BRUG and their activities but I suppose you are all busy with this. Let me know if you need some help! Ah, sorry. I'm Simon living and working in Leuven playing with RoR as a hobby (started 6 months ago or so). Working in IT (no Ruby here yet I'm afraid) and obsessed with webdevelopment. I met DefV on BarCamp in Brussels and following his blog ever since. -- Simon From frank at openminds.be Thu Oct 11 08:29:20 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:29:20 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> <470DFD49.2060400@defv.be> Message-ID: <88AAB81B-D8D5-4A94-B907-2F363A7420E9@openminds.be> On 11 Oct 2007, at 12:46, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: +1 (remembering to hit reply-all, and dragging brug-talk (which ends up in Cc: by default) to To: and removing the address that was in To) is too much of a hassle!) > +1 I had the same problem yesterday! (and now again :)) > > Koen Van der Auwera > 10to1 > > On 10/11/07, Jan De Poorter < brug at defv.be> wrote: > Alain Ravet wrote: > > On 10/11/07, Bernard Grymonpon < bernard at openminds.be> wrote: > > > > > > On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: > > > > > > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is > there a > > > > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) > > > > > > > > > > Hear hear! > > > > +1 for reseting the reply-to to its old default: the list. > > > +1 from here too, I almost replyed to Alain again. > > regards, > Jan > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071011/4bdbdfd0/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 08:38:08 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:38:08 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question - spinoff In-Reply-To: <88AAB81B-D8D5-4A94-B907-2F363A7420E9@openminds.be> References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> <470DFD49.2060400@defv.be> <88AAB81B-D8D5-4A94-B907-2F363A7420E9@openminds.be> Message-ID: <470E1930.9080809@xaop.com> Hi all, Just changed the setting back. Note that it obviously doesn't change things for messages that have been sent to the list already, so tread carefully still! Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Frank Louwers wrote: > > On 11 Oct 2007, at 12:46, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > > +1 (remembering to hit reply-all, and dragging brug-talk (which ends up > in Cc: by default) to To: and removing the address that was in To) is > too much of a hassle!) > >> +1 I had the same problem yesterday! (and now again :)) >> >> Koen Van der Auwera >> 10to1 >> >> On 10/11/07, Jan De Poorter < brug at defv.be> wrote: >> Alain Ravet wrote: >> > On 10/11/07, Bernard Grymonpon < bernard at openminds.be> wrote: >> > > >> > > On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Tom Klaasen wrote: >> > > >> > > > (BTW, I sent this to Hans only previously by accident; is there a >> > > > way to have the reply-to header point to the list?) >> > > > >> > > >> > > Hear hear! >> > >> > +1 for reseting the reply-to to its old default: the list. >> > >> +1 from here too, I almost replyed to Alain again. >> >> regards, >> Jan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 10:44:47 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:44:47 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Milestone Message-ID: <470E36DF.2080801@xaop.com> Hi all, In the past few days, we have crossed the boundary of 50 subscribers to brug-talk. Up to the next 50! Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From simonis.christophe at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 13:44:51 2007 From: simonis.christophe at gmail.com (Christophe Simonis) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:44:51 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Domain name In-Reply-To: <470DFE17.7090805@xaop.com> References: <470DFE17.7090805@xaop.com> Message-ID: what about loveruby.be et lovesruby.be (for a grammatically correct sentence with the sub-domain) ? 2007/10/11, Peter Vanbroekhoven : > > Hi all, > > After private conversations with Peter and Bernard (the "impartial > judge" I've appointed), I've decided to go ahead and cut the knot > myself. The main feeling is that we should just get this over with. > > The most support seems to be for rubyist.be, and that's what Bernard > advised me to choose. (Actually, his first advice was to register both > rubyist.be and rubybelgium.be so no one else can register them and > create confusion. We can still do that, but that can easily lead to a > never-ending story if other good alternative domain names come up.) > > Frank or Bernard (other one than above), could you set the gears in > motion for registering rubyist.be? > > Regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- Simonis Christophe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071011/51241506/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 16:52:27 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:52:27 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] [Brug-admin] Domain name In-Reply-To: References: <470E2D48.1030700@xaop.com> Message-ID: <470E8D0B.4090607@xaop.com> Alain Ravet wrote: > > This is something both Peter and I support, but we need to know > > what you guys think about this. > > Sounds good. > Just one remark : I think the redirect should be in the other redirection : > rubyist.be => rubybelgium.be > , with rubybelgium.be being the official/public address of the community. > > The rationale : urls are our signatures. > Each time we will communicate with the world (read: the others) we > will publish a url. > > > http://rubybelgium.be/conferences > > > speaks more and covers more ground than > > > http://rubyist.be/conferences > Hmmmm... The way I intended this was that *initially* http://rubybelgium.be/ would redirect to http://rubyist.be/ just as a way to use the rubybelgium.be domain and get the name out there. Anything but http://rubybelgium.be/ would be invalid on this domain such that only rubyist.be URLs get out there except for the root of rubybelgium.be. Then, at some point, rubybelgium.be could start leading its own life when we get the "Ruby Belgium" organization set up (could be a VZW/ASBL). Then there would be a http://rubybelgium.be/conferences, and a http://rubyist.be/brug, but not a http://rubyist.be/conferences or a http://rubyist.be/conferences, or at least not necessarily so nor with the same information. So basically, the address of the community would be rubyist.be, that of the Ruby Belgium organisation would be rubybelgium.be. One is the geeky side, the other the official side. Two faces of the same coin. Two sides that in a sense lead there own lives. The connection of the redirect would only be temporary. A good reason to have these two separate domains is that one would require a lot of care in setting up, taking marketing into consideration, and basically building our image. The other would allow us to be our own geeky selves without caring (too much) about our image. These are the two aspects that Peter hammered on at the BRUG meeting, and at the risk of a "here he goes again", I think it is a good thing that these are reflected in the domain names. Peter, did I get this right? Regards, Peter PS : should I change the reply-to here too? From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 16:55:41 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:55:41 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] [Brug-admin] Domain name In-Reply-To: <470E8D0B.4090607@xaop.com> References: <470E2D48.1030700@xaop.com> <470E8D0B.4090607@xaop.com> Message-ID: <470E8DCD.1050702@xaop.com> Sorry, intended for brug-admin instead. Disregard. Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From svv at xaop.com Thu Oct 11 14:58:22 2007 From: svv at xaop.com (Stijn Van Vreckem) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:58:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Metaprogramming video Message-ID: <470E724E.7050200@xaop.com> Hey folks, I published the video of the first BRUG talk at the following url : http://www.xaop.com/articles/2007/10/07/metaprogramming I tried to place it on google video but the quality of the video was too poor. Youtube has a limit of 10 minutes and 100mb. Maybe we can move it later to the meeting archive of the official website. Regards, Stijn From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 12 17:31:23 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] attendees at the first BRUG meeting of 3 October - admin - fosdem Message-ID: Hi, Attendees on 3 October: =============== As promised, I am trying to assemble a list of people that where at the first meeting and want to share their contact information between them (in that private group, not public). If I did not miss many, I have currently received the information from these 11 people (alphabetic first name): Alain R. Hans V. Jean L. Jean-Baptiste E. Mesut C. Peter Vanb. Peter Vand. Stephane W. Steven V. Steven M. Stijn V. If you still want to join this list, send me your name and e-mail in private. The plan is that later this weekend, I bounce the list back to all people on the list (but not publish it). Obviously some sort of central, protected web forum would be better ... but for now, at least the information is not lost this way. Admin: ==== At the meeting, there was a call for approx. 5 people to form an admin group. Five people volunteered, but I failed to note down exactly who where these people (sorry). Could you please let me know. I hope you could agree to add your name and e-mail to the (private) list (so, I can mark you as admin on the list and other members can see you on the list). Please note that there is a separate brug-admin at rubyforge.org mailing list for people interested in admin. The web site name(s) discussion is continued on that smaller list (now has about 7 subscribers). Fosdem: ===== Alain Ravet and I are approaching fosdem team to ask for a dev room at fosdem 2008. I did not get a positive reaction yet (one problem for me is that Raph is not longer the main organizer, so I lost my primary contact ...). Thanks, Peter From simonis.christophe at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 18:10:57 2007 From: simonis.christophe at gmail.com (Christophe Simonis) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:10:57 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] attendees at the first BRUG meeting of 3 October - admin - fosdem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: my name is in my email ;-) 2007/10/12, Peter Vandenabeele : > > Hi, > > Attendees on 3 October: > =============== > > As promised, I am trying to assemble a list of people that > where at the first meeting and want to share their contact > information between them (in that private group, not public). > If I did not miss many, I have currently received the > information from these 11 people (alphabetic first name): > > Alain R. > Hans V. > Jean L. > Jean-Baptiste E. > Mesut C. > Peter Vanb. > Peter Vand. > Stephane W. > Steven V. > Steven M. > Stijn V. > > If you still want to join this list, send me your name and e-mail > in private. The plan is that later this weekend, I bounce the list > back to all people on the list (but not publish it). > > Obviously some sort of central, protected web forum would be > better ... but for now, at least the information is not lost this way. > > Admin: > ==== > > At the meeting, there was a call for approx. 5 people to form an > admin group. Five people volunteered, but I failed to note down > exactly who where these people (sorry). Could you please let me > know. I hope you could agree to add your name and e-mail to > the (private) list (so, I can mark you as admin on the list and other > members can see you on the list). > > Please note that there is a separate brug-admin at rubyforge.org > mailing list for people interested in admin. The web site name(s) > discussion is continued on that smaller list (now has about 7 > subscribers). > > Fosdem: > ===== > > Alain Ravet and I are approaching fosdem team to ask for a > dev room at fosdem 2008. I did not get a positive reaction yet > (one problem for me is that Raph is not longer the main > organizer, so I lost my primary contact ...). > > Thanks, > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- Simonis Christophe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071013/abed96cb/attachment.html From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 12:30:24 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:30:24 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? Message-ID: Hi all, Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? Thanks, Stephane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071022/0d00867f/attachment.html From benny at gorilla-webdesign.be Mon Oct 22 12:39:36 2007 From: benny at gorilla-webdesign.be (Benny Degezelle) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:39:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c6fca940710220939y14e1c07dn6cce7bac5ec10136@mail.gmail.com> Check openminds.be, the only and therefor best rails hosting solution i've used. They have quite some experience with hosting rails applications and their support is superb qua response time & quality. Regards, Benny Degezelle Gorilla webdesign www.gorilla-webdesign.be 2007/10/22, Stephane Wirtel : > > Hi all, > > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? > > Thanks, > > Stephane > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071022/7c8f6eb2/attachment.html From peter at 10-forward.be Mon Oct 22 12:58:12 2007 From: peter at 10-forward.be (Peter De Berdt (10-forward)) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:58:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 Oct 2007, at 18:30, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? Depends on your hosting budget. If you can shell out the $$ for a vps, i can honestly recommend rimuhosting.com. We have a few dedicated servers and vps's running with them and support is just excellent. Never had a second of downtime yet (although that does depend on how well u r with unix and especially securing it :-)). Best regards. Peter De Berdt Research & Development Software Expert ______________________ 10-forward Zwarteweg 28 B-8433 Middelkerke Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 info at 10-forward.be http://www.10-forward.be ______________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071022/df77b1b9/attachment-0001.html From bernard at dub.be Mon Oct 22 15:50:47 2007 From: bernard at dub.be (Bernard Dubuisson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:50:47 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14F8224B-964D-4DED-A7CB-9504A563074B@dub.be> Maybe a VPS is a little bit too much to support a blog app. We have a VPS over at railsmachine.com. They are very careful about not growing too fast and lose quality. We had to wait a few weeks before we could get on board. Very reliable as well and comes with all you need preinstalled to run RoR. There have been a couple downtimes though (about two minor downtimes in about a year). Plus the dollar/euro rate is very interesting these days. Bernard Dubuisson --- bernard at dub.be 0479 416 860 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071022/4114bc43/attachment.html From pingouin.malin at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 15:58:29 2007 From: pingouin.malin at gmail.com (Pingouin malin) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:58:29 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: Stage - internship Message-ID: <1193083110.5647.18.camel@Helena> Hi Bernard, actually, I attend evening courses in Li?ge. I'm very interested by Ruby and RoR and I'm looking for someone who can give me some topic for my final thesis. The last potential client remembered after 1 month taht the project was already given to somebody else :-( If you can check if this could interest you. I let you some paper of the school (sorry, it's in French) : http://users.skynet.be/bs984329/ei07/memoires.pdf Mail me if you want. -- Please do not send me .doc, .xls, .ppt, as I will *NOT* read them. Please send me only open formats, as OpenDocument or pdf. From bernard at dub.be Mon Oct 22 16:55:31 2007 From: bernard at dub.be (Bernard Dubuisson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:55:31 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: Stage - internship In-Reply-To: <1193083110.5647.18.camel@Helena> References: <1193083110.5647.18.camel@Helena> Message-ID: <633836DB-A0F6-42EB-99C7-D1BFC997E04D@dub.be> Bonjour, Je vais jeter un coup d'oeil ? ton document et je te r?ponds d'ici demain. Peux-tu me donner quelques infos sur toi (?cole, ann?e d'?tudes, prof r?f?rence)? Merci. Bernard Dubuisson --- bernard at dub.be 0479 416 860 On 22 Oct 2007, at 21:58, Pingouin malin wrote: > Hi Bernard, > > actually, I attend evening courses in Li?ge. > > I'm very interested by Ruby and RoR and I'm looking for someone who > can > give me some topic for my final thesis. > > The last potential client remembered after 1 month taht the project > was > already given to somebody else :-( > > If you can check if this could interest you. > > I let you some paper of the school (sorry, it's in French) : > http://users.skynet.be/bs984329/ei07/memoires.pdf > > Mail me if you want. > > -- > Please do not send me .doc, .xls, .ppt, as I will *NOT* read them. > Please send me only open formats, as OpenDocument or pdf. > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bernard Dubuisson --- bernard at dub.be 0479 416 860 On 22 Oct 2007, at 22:55, Bernard Dubuisson wrote: > Bonjour, > Je vais jeter un coup d'oeil ? ton document et je te r?ponds d'ici > demain. > Peux-tu me donner quelques infos sur toi (?cole, ann?e d'?tudes, > prof r?f?rence)? > Merci. > > Bernard Dubuisson > --- > bernard at dub.be > 0479 416 860 > > > On 22 Oct 2007, at 21:58, Pingouin malin wrote: > >> Hi Bernard, >> >> actually, I attend evening courses in Li?ge. >> >> I'm very interested by Ruby and RoR and I'm looking for someone >> who can >> give me some topic for my final thesis. >> >> The last potential client remembered after 1 month taht the >> project was >> already given to somebody else :-( >> >> If you can check if this could interest you. >> >> I let you some paper of the school (sorry, it's in French) : >> http://users.skynet.be/bs984329/ei07/memoires.pdf >> >> Mail me if you want. >> >> -- >> Please do not send me .doc, .xls, .ppt, as I will *NOT* read them. >> Please send me only open formats, as OpenDocument or pdf. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071022/774b824d/attachment.html From alain.ravet at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 18:50:37 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:50:37 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stephane, There is a - budget - rails-dedicated hosting company that - has been in the Rails business for quite a long time (in Rails' years) and - I've only read/heard good things about them and their services. http://railsplayground.com/ Alain Ravet On 10/22/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > Hi all, > > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? > > Thanks, > > Stephane From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 22:53:55 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:53:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1be7247c0710221953g50f876carfb11002594c0ad44@mail.gmail.com> For what it's worth, I'm a happy Joyent (ex. TextDrive) customer. http://www.joyent.com/connector I used to use http://www.hostingrails.com/ when they were offering free accounts, now it seems that they don't do that anymore, but it's still not that expensive. The service was OK. Laurent On 10/22/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > Hi all, > > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? > > Thanks, > > Stephane > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > From tom at 10to1.be Tue Oct 23 04:04:28 2007 From: tom at 10to1.be (Tom Klaasen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:04:28 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: <8c6fca940710220939y14e1c07dn6cce7bac5ec10136@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c6fca940710220939y14e1c07dn6cce7bac5ec10136@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I second openminds. The most responsive hosting provider I've worked with so far. On 10/22/07, Benny Degezelle wrote: > > Check openminds.be, the only and therefor best rails hosting solution i've > used. They have quite some experience with hosting rails applications and > their support is superb qua response time & quality. > > > Regards, > > Benny Degezelle > > Gorilla webdesign > www.gorilla-webdesign.be > > 2007/10/22, Stephane Wirtel < stephane.wirtel at gmail.com>: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stephane > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -- Tom Klaasen 10to1 +32 475 28 17 62 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071023/f1d19fdf/attachment.html From tom at tmplus.be Tue Oct 23 04:38:56 2007 From: tom at tmplus.be (Tom Mestdagh) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:38:56 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: References: <8c6fca940710220939y14e1c07dn6cce7bac5ec10136@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <471DB320.30204@tmplus.be> I have some experience with finding a good hosting solution for RoR and in my opinion openminds is the best. They got excellent support. You send them a mail or give them a call and everytime you get a fast reply that also solves your problem. Not just the usual "This is a reply to confirm that we recieved your support ticket with nr XXXX" :-) Also, their servers are the fastest RoR servers I ever worked with. regards, Tom Tom Klaasen schreef: > I second openminds. The most responsive hosting provider I've worked > with so far. > > > On 10/22/07, *Benny Degezelle* < benny at gorilla-webdesign.be > > wrote: > > Check openminds.be , the only and therefor > best rails hosting solution i've used. They have quite some > experience with hosting rails applications and their support is > superb qua response time & quality. > > > Regards, > > Benny Degezelle > > Gorilla webdesign > www.gorilla-webdesign.be > > 2007/10/22, Stephane Wirtel < stephane.wirtel at gmail.com > >: > > Hi all, > > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with > Rails ? > > Thanks, > > Stephane > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > -- > Tom Klaasen > 10to1 > +32 475 28 17 62 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- ---------------------------- TM+ Software -en webontwikkeling Brabantdam 35J 9000 Gent 09 233 12 38 tom at tmplus.be ---------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071023/c6686bfa/attachment.html From syfys at interia.pl Wed Oct 24 06:16:49 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:16:49 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] off topic Message-ID: <471F1B91.3030601@interia.pl> Hi all Among other things I do concerning my nationality (IT service, finding polish workers etc.) sometimes I write some materials for polish newspaper. I was asked to write an article about division of Belgium. ok, but why am I looking here for help ? what I need is no personal attitude (which I don't mind) but smart pointing the essence of the problem, the clue. in few words: together (Vlanderen, Wallonie) because ... separation because ... If you felt sudden urgent to write more that just a simple statement feel free please :) not to flood the forum send me potential reply in private pliz. thx in advance ;) -- kind regards Robert +32 496 387 797 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Juz jest! Ostre Interiowe granie. Najnowsza plyta, najwieksze przeboje Sprawdz >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1c3e From sschoet at imec.be Wed Oct 24 07:55:18 2007 From: sschoet at imec.be (Schoeters Simon) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:55:18 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] RoR hosting provider Message-ID: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> RoR people, I had a discussion last night concerning Belgian Ruby on Rails hosting solutions. Personnaly I host my RoR site outside of Belgium but hosting abroad appears to be difficult for small companies (tax refunds seem difficult) so we were discussing the Belgian RoR hosting market and could only come up with openminds. This is a huge difference with the PHP hosting providers in Belgium for example. Are there any other RoR hosting providers with the same qualities as openminds? Same scalebility, service, pricing and support? It seems that small webdesign companies don't have much choice (for the reasons above) as to go for openminds. Not that I have anything against openminds, I saw a few of them at BarCamp and they sure have potential (look at this mailinglist and you can tell they care about RoR) but I was just wondering... I'm not looking for a hosting provider but does anyone know any opeminds-like providers in Belgium? Any experiences? Are they ready to host critical enterprise RoR applications? OR is openminds today the defacto RoR hosting standard in Belgium? Kind regards, -- Simon From peter at 10-forward.be Wed Oct 24 13:09:04 2007 From: peter at 10-forward.be (Peter De Berdt (10-forward)) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:09:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] RoR hosting provider In-Reply-To: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> References: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> Message-ID: <64D68F34-E0F3-4C43-AF8C-F27F883016E5@10-forward.be> On 24 Oct 2007, at 13:55, Schoeters Simon wrote: > I had a discussion last night concerning Belgian Ruby on Rails hosting > solutions. Personnaly I host my RoR site outside of Belgium but > hosting > abroad appears to be difficult for small companies (tax refunds seem > difficult) so we were discussing the Belgian RoR hosting market and > could only come up with openminds. We host outside of Belgium (New Zealand provider Rimuhosting) and I really don't get what you're saying about tax refunds, there's simply no tax involved (unless you live in new zealand, in which case they will charge you taxes). Unless i'm missing something here. > This is a huge difference with the PHP hosting providers in Belgium > for > example. Are there any other RoR hosting providers with the same > qualities as openminds? Same scalebility, service, pricing and > support? > It seems that small webdesign companies don't have much choice (for > the > reasons above) as to go for openminds. As soon as you're able to run more than let's say 4-5 sites on a dedicated server, your cost per site can drop below a decent Rails shared hosting account. On top of that, you get full and unrestricted access to your server, can install whatever you want, don't have to mail for support and are less dependent of others when something goes wrong on your server. Rimuhosting for example offers me the possibility to press the power button of the US-based server from their control panel (not that I've ever needed to do so). > Not that I have anything against openminds, I saw a few of them at > BarCamp and they sure have potential (look at this mailinglist and you > can tell they care about RoR) but I was just wondering... > > I'm not looking for a hosting provider but does anyone know any > opeminds-like providers in Belgium? Any experiences? Are they ready to > host critical enterprise RoR applications? OR is openminds today the > defacto RoR hosting standard in Belgium? From what I've heard, they are the only ones who have the expertise to provide you with a great rails hosting service. I don't know their pricing, but on our dedicated server the cost per application hosted is less than 15 euro/month and having worked with several shared hosting companies already that do rails hosting, I'd say the cost of post-setup support has dropped by 95%. All I'm saying is, I don't have to get up in the morning and be worried about getting phone calls about server downtime, forcing me to send an e- mail to the hosting company support, then hoping they will fix it within a decent timeframe. I'm living the happy hosting life now. And above all, your customer will be all to happy to pay a little bit more for the hosting if it ensures a trouble-free uptime. Some were willing to shell out big cash for a skynet dedicated server (and their pricing is just mindblowing crazy) as long as their site didn't go down. You do need get into linux via the command-line a bit, but rimuhosting's support will be of great help here (and great is a serious understatement). I have no affiliation whatsoever with them, but I've recommended their services to several people I know, ranging from Java to PHP to Python to Rails hosting and they still thank me every now and then for my recommendation. Best regards. Peter De Berdt Research & Development Software Expert ______________________ 10-forward Zwarteweg 28 B-8433 Middelkerke Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 info at 10-forward.be http://www.10-forward.be ______________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071024/aa40e7ad/attachment-0001.html From frans.vanhaelewijck at admicro.com Wed Oct 24 16:37:19 2007 From: frans.vanhaelewijck at admicro.com (Frans Vanhaelewijck) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:19 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: <1be7247c0710221953g50f876carfb11002594c0ad44@mail.gmail.com> References: <1be7247c0710221953g50f876carfb11002594c0ad44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8167d$ac86d620$05948260$@vanhaelewijck@admicro.com> Hello Laurent, Good to hear you are happy using hostingrails.com. However I am not that happy. I have a rails site running there, and the availability really is a problem. They have frequent downtimes of a few minutes. Over the course of a week that sometimes adds up to 2hr 25 mins. During 1 year, they made me change servers twice 'because our current server is unstable'. Their support is really good, but that's not a cure for downtime. I host another rails site on ocssolutions.com which has no uptime problems, and provides very good support. One minus point is that their help pages are less good than those on hostingrails. If you know what you're doing that's probably not a big deal. Hope this helps Frans -----Original Message----- From: Laurent Sansonetti [mailto:laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com] Sent: 23 October 2007 04:54 To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? For what it's worth, I'm a happy Joyent (ex. TextDrive) customer. http://www.joyent.com/connector I used to use http://www.hostingrails.com/ when they were offering free accounts, now it seems that they don't do that anymore, but it's still not that expensive. The service was OK. Laurent On 10/22/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > Hi all, > > Where can I find a good provider to host my blog written with Rails ? > > Thanks, > > Stephane > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 17:03:51 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:03:51 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Advice to host a blog with Rails ? In-Reply-To: <-1157756730134618927@unknownmsgid> References: <1be7247c0710221953g50f876carfb11002594c0ad44@mail.gmail.com> <-1157756730134618927@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710241403y6e36a28cy430b9ba1f8197e5c@mail.gmail.com> On 10/24/07, Frans Vanhaelewijck wrote: > Hello Laurent, > > Good to hear you are happy using hostingrails.com. However I am not that > happy. I have a rails site running there, and the availability really is a > problem. They have frequent downtimes of a few minutes. Over the course of a > week that sometimes adds up to 2hr 25 mins. During 1 year, they made me > change servers twice 'because our current server is unstable'. Their support > is really good, but that's not a cure for downtime. Well, I used to use hostingrails.com, I also experienced slowness problems, and I had to switch to new servers a couple of time too, but it was free, so I didn't really complain. I wouldn't recommend it for a professional solution, but for hosting a blog, why not. At that time I didn't know a Belgian-based alternative existed, I would have perhaps used it :-) Laurent From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 07:22:20 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:22:20 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] RoR hosting provider In-Reply-To: <64D68F34-E0F3-4C43-AF8C-F27F883016E5@10-forward.be> References: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> <64D68F34-E0F3-4C43-AF8C-F27F883016E5@10-forward.be> Message-ID: Peter, > We host outside of Belgium (New Zealand provider Rimuhosting) .. I wonder about the network latency and its impact on features like super-reactive autocompletion (?-la Google Suggest). What's your experience with this (when hosting in New Zealand for Belgian users)? Alain Ravet From peter at 10-forward.be Thu Oct 25 08:49:36 2007 From: peter at 10-forward.be (Peter De Berdt (10-forward)) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:49:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] RoR hosting provider In-Reply-To: References: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> <64D68F34-E0F3-4C43-AF8C-F27F883016E5@10-forward.be> Message-ID: <91935977-A733-4988-A280-361FA7359F8D@10-forward.be> On 25 Oct 2007, at 13:22, Alain Ravet wrote: >> We host outside of Belgium (New Zealand provider Rimuhosting) .. > > I wonder about the network latency and its impact on features like > super-reactive autocompletion (?-la Google Suggest). What's your > experience with this (when hosting in New Zealand for Belgian users)? Their servers aren't located in NZ, but in either the US or the UK. On their website, you find test servers to check on the ping response time etc. All I can say is that we're getting better response times than several companies I know that are using the mighty expensive leased lines. I can get the full 20 Mbps download bandwidth my provider allows me when downloading from our Rimuhosting servers, won't happen with leased lines or most Belgian datacenters (that charge you a lot more for a max 10 Mb throughput). There are quite a few "Belgian hosting companies" that actually rent their servers in a US-based datacenter anyway. To give you an idea, when we put one of our apps up on the rails, scriptaculous wiki and a few rails-related sites, we got a serious surge of traffic. It coped without a single problem. Nowadays, we have quite a few mediaplayers sending requests to our rails app on a minute-basis and there are a few other medium traffic sites running on the same server. Those datacenters are connected to the major backbones, which makes their response time and throughput just great. No one will ever notice the server is US-based (unless they run a trace). And judging by the positive comments we get on the performance of our sites, our Belgian customers are very happy being hosting on a Rimuhosting server. The bottleneck in your autocomplete will be your database (or indexing engine) request. Best regards. Peter De Berdt Research & Development Software Expert ______________________ 10-forward Zwarteweg 28 B-8433 Middelkerke Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 info at 10-forward.be http://www.10-forward.be ______________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071025/31046b4f/attachment.html From frank at openminds.be Thu Oct 25 10:43:53 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:43:53 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] RoR hosting provider In-Reply-To: <91935977-A733-4988-A280-361FA7359F8D@10-forward.be> References: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> <64D68F34-E0F3-4C43-AF8C-F27F883016E5@10-forward.be> <91935977-A733-4988-A280-361FA7359F8D@10-forward.be> Message-ID: <79F3A7B5-CFFB-4DD5-9684-C707D1CB4066@openminds.be> On 25 Oct 2007, at 14:49, Peter De Berdt (10-forward) wrote: > > On 25 Oct 2007, at 13:22, Alain Ravet wrote: > >>> We host outside of Belgium (New Zealand provider Rimuhosting) .. >> >> I wonder about the network latency and its impact on features like >> super-reactive autocompletion (?-la Google Suggest). What's your >> experience with this (when hosting in New Zealand for Belgian users)? > > Their servers aren't located in NZ, but in either the US or the UK. > On their website, you find test servers to check on the ping > response time etc. All I can say is that we're getting better > response times than several companies I know that are using the > mighty expensive leased lines. I can get the full 20 Mbps download > bandwidth my provider allows me when downloading from our > Rimuhosting servers, won't happen with leased lines or most Belgian > datacenters (that charge you a lot more for a max 10 Mb throughput). > There are quite a few "Belgian hosting companies" that actually > rent their servers in a US-based datacenter anyway. If you want to test latency or network download speed, please check 195.47.215.1 (for ping tests) or http://www.openminds.be/10mb.bin. Our latency to the major Belgian providers at the moment: - Belgacom Skynet: 2.0ms - Telenet: 2.5ms - Scarlet: 1.4ms - Versatel: 13.5ms - Belnet: 2.8ms - EDPNet: 2.6ms I don't know who you've been talking too, but we have about 1Gbps of capacity and can upgrade to 10Gbps on short notice if needed, in a Belgian datacenter :) Also, we are quite flattered with the positive reactions about us here on the list. I don't usually get involved in threads that involve us our our competitors, but I do want to make one or two corrections. - On our "Pro Hosting" (which is actually a shared environment), it is possible to run 5 ruby processes. So you can run 5 apps without problems on them. - Rimmuhosting and a few others that were discussed here, are actually virtual private servers. Don't compare these to a shared environment. They each have their advantage, and each has a different target group depending on sysadmin knowledge of the customer, type of application etc. As announced on the BrugTALK, we *are* going to launch a VPS service Real Soon Now(tm). So if you are waiting for such a service in Belgium, it *will* be available in a while. Anyone wanting to discuss any of the above options, please talk to me in private. Regards, Frank Louwers Openminds bvba -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They > each have their advantage, and each has a different target group depending > on sysadmin knowledge of the customer, type of application etc. > Frank's right: if your core competence is development, you'll be happy to outsource the sysadmin nitty gritty to people who love to do that. If you want to provide hosting for your customers, the picture is different, I imagine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071025/eb01eec5/attachment-0001.html From peter at 10-forward.be Thu Oct 25 11:57:10 2007 From: peter at 10-forward.be (Peter De Berdt (10-forward)) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:57:10 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] RoR hosting provider In-Reply-To: References: <0475881C3AAE114CB68E3C04508ACD6D0A3395F9@WINEX3.imec.be> <64D68F34-E0F3-4C43-AF8C-F27F883016E5@10-forward.be> <91935977-A733-4988-A280-361FA7359F8D@10-forward.be> <79F3A7B5-CFFB-4DD5-9684-C707D1CB4066@openminds.be> Message-ID: <1F01C48B-586B-4D41-A707-DDD754516A3B@10-forward.be> On 25 Oct 2007, at 16:54, Tom Klaasen wrote: > - Rimmuhosting and a few others that were discussed here, are > actually virtual private servers. Don't compare these to a shared > environment. They each have their advantage, and each has a > different target group depending on sysadmin knowledge of the > customer, type of application etc. > > > Frank's right: if your core competence is development, you'll be > happy to outsource the sysadmin nitty gritty to people who love to > do that. If you want to provide hosting for your customers, the > picture is different, I imagine. I agree up to some point. You do need to have quite some linux knowledge to correctly setup and most importantly secure a vps or dedicated server (e.g. setting up a firewall, disabling root access, only allow ssh by ip or keys, automatically monitor and restart services, ?), . Once it's well setup, maintenance should be minimal. Rimuhosting's support will go a long stretch to help you set up a secure server, i.e. they will do it for you and then send you a mail explaining every step they took and how to configure the services. If you're going for shared hosting, you depend on the goodwill of your hosting provider to provide you with the tools you need, like installing gems (some do it, some don't), how your rails app is served (FCGI, mongrel, mongrel cluster, ?), svn access. Our apps very regularly use extra command line utilities or for example imagescience instead of rmagick, all of these need sudo rights to install. Having a VPS or dedicated server allows you to do whatever you want. Also, be well aware of what shared hosting is and what makes it a cheaper option than a VPS or dedicated server. All I'm saying is, if you go for shared hosting, make sure you inform yourself on what a hosting provider will do for you in terms of what you think your apps will need and how shared their shared hosting actually is (how many accounts per server, server specs, ?). Also know that all other sites hosted on a rails hosting servers can the culprit for bringing the entire server down, including your account. And there are a lot of seemingly fantastic offers out there that can turn very sour really quickly once you start using them. But since Openminds seems to be very openminded and helpful, you should consider them very seriously. Best regards. Peter De Berdt Research & Development Software Expert ______________________ 10-forward Zwarteweg 28 B-8433 Middelkerke Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 info at 10-forward.be http://www.10-forward.be ______________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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