From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 1 09:59:57 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:59:57 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Jim Weirich on Monday! Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603010659j10101bddp4d772bb49ae06222@mail.gmail.com> Our March meeting on Monday night will feature the talented Ruby veteran Jim Weirich. Jim Weirich is a software consultant for Compuware with over twenty-five years of experience in software development. He has worked with real-time data systems for testing jet engines, networking software for information systems, and image processing software for the financial industry. Weirich is active in the Ruby community and has contributed to several Ruby projects, including the Rake build system and the RubyGems package software. Also, please tell everyone to bring a laptop if they can, we will be doing some programming examples (just like at RubyConf). ThoughtWorks is graciously providing pizza and pop, so please RSVP so they can get a good headcount: http://ruby.meetup.com/55/events/4824278/ If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to shout out to the list. We're on it and certainly you aren't the only one with the question. Hope to see you there! Bring a friend! Everyone, please post this announcement anywhere where people might like to hear about this event. When: Monday, March 6, 2006, 6:30 PM Where: ThoughtWorks 651 W. Washington Blvd. Suite 600 (Desplaines and Washington) Chicago , IL 60661 (312) 373-1000 http://rubyurl.com/Vnb Directions: Take the Washington exit off of 94/90. We are at the corner of Desplaines and Washington. The building entrance on Desplaines will be open until 7. The elevators will be on until 7 as well so that people can get to the 6th floor. After that, please feel free to call Joe at 614/906-1394 and he'll have someone get you. -- Ryan Platte From dchelimsky at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 04:29:18 2006 From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 03:29:18 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] rspec 0.4 Message-ID: <57c63afe0603020129x3fc4ad32rd44b0c3dc0c326ba@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, For those of you who are interested in and/or already using rspec, rspec 0.4 is available as a gem from rubyforge. Check http://blog.daveastels.com/?p=70 for some details. Enjoy! Cheers, David From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 6 22:19:50 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> What a wonderful brain-stretcher. Thank you to everyone who made tonight's meeting possible: Joe O'Brien for spearheading the idea of bringing Jim to town and making sure it happened, Object Mentor for their generous sponsorship, all of you who also sponsored Jim's visit, and all of you who came out. Thanks most of all to Jim. Thanks for being available and so flexible, and for giving us such a great evening. Our April meeting is scheduled to be with Mark Friedgan, who's prepared a talk and some exercises about TupleSpaces. I'm just hoping there isn't a quiz at the end of this series of jam-packed sessions where we have to apply everything we've learned into one program. After tonight, I don't even know what that program would *be*. ;-) -- Ryan Platte From ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com Mon Mar 6 23:45:23 2006 From: ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:45:23 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hear, hear! Thank you, Jim! My brain's still sizzling. For those who just didn't get enough via continuations, Jim held some in reserve (or as Milton Berle occasionally quipped, only took out "enough to beat ya"). The Y-Combinator is an example of what made me decide to leave the programming to my betters. Here's Jim's Ruby port: http://rubygarden.com/ruby?TheScaryDoor I first saw these in Scheme. I hope they'll yield to my curiosity now. -B... From rubygroup at johnwlong.com Tue Mar 7 01:04:34 2006 From: rubygroup at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:04:34 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440D2272.1050405@johnwlong.com> Ryan Platte wrote: > What a wonderful brain-stretcher. Seconded! I posted a short summary on my blog: http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/03/06/jim-weirich-on-continuations Anytime we can get Jim back let's do it. Also if there's anything left on the expenses for bringing Jim into town, let me know. I thoroughly enjoyed the evening. Thanks for working it out Joe. -- John From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 10:50:39 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:50:39 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! In-Reply-To: <440D2272.1050405@johnwlong.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> <440D2272.1050405@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <507da57a0603070750m227c4ca7vbcb100a20402c855@mail.gmail.com> So i'm glad i'm not the only one who's brain is still hurting... Thanks a ton to everyone involved in bringing him in.. I really hope that we are able to bring more people through of that similiar calibre and i'm more then willing to support that however i can... well.. back to trying to get some koans to pass and make it look like i'm working... 8) -colin On 3/7/06, John W. Long wrote: > Ryan Platte wrote: > > What a wonderful brain-stretcher. > > Seconded! I posted a short summary on my blog: > > http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/03/06/jim-weirich-on-continuations > > Anytime we can get Jim back let's do it. Also if there's anything left > on the expenses for bringing Jim into town, let me know. I thoroughly > enjoyed the evening. Thanks for working it out Joe. > > -- > John > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From ryan at platte.name Tue Mar 7 11:09:50 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:09:50 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! In-Reply-To: <507da57a0603070750m227c4ca7vbcb100a20402c855@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> <440D2272.1050405@johnwlong.com> <507da57a0603070750m227c4ca7vbcb100a20402c855@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603070809n2178af41p8b967e1789dec77f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/7/06, colin h wrote: > So i'm glad i'm not the only one who's brain is still hurting... > Thanks a ton to everyone involved in bringing him in.. I really hope > that we are able to bring more people through of that similiar calibre > and i'm more then willing to support that however i can... Can't promise anything as mind-bending as last night (and AFAIK there's only one Ruby guy who plays Zelda as a teaching tool), but we want to keep moving toward coding together at meetings like we did last night. So particularly about the collaborative coding: if any of you have comments about what went well and what could be improved from last night's experience, we're all ears. We're not running short of wonderful new stuff to talk about and hack on in the coming months, either. But in order to keep things as interesting and targeted as possible, I would like to ask: what topics would you like to cover in future meetings? What could we do that would make Chirb more valuable to you? So that's three questions I'm posing to all of you: 1. What did you enjoy and what could be better about programming together at Chirb? 2. What topics would you like us to cover in future meetings? 3. In general, what could we do that would make Chirb more valuable to you? -- Ryan Platte From sergio at noesbueno.com Wed Mar 8 09:42:44 2006 From: sergio at noesbueno.com (Sergio Rabiela) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:42:44 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations Message-ID: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> Hey Chirbers, I saw this on del.ico.us this morning. I haven't read it yet, but it looks like it could be helpful. http://idea-log.blogspot.com/2005/10/why-are-continuations-so-confusing-and.html Best, -Sergio From hubrix at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 10:31:56 2006 From: hubrix at gmail.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:31:56 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> Message-ID: I was wondering if we could take a vote of how many people actually a. heard of b. used c understood continuations before this month's presentation. I remember learning and using them in ML back in school and they are indeed wonderful things as is all of functional programming. The one thing I always remember about functional programming is the immense learning curve and the incredible amount of appreciation for the beauty of this stuff once you've 'ascended' that particular learning curve. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060308/4b02c0a6/attachment.htm From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 10:44:29 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:44:29 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603070809n2178af41p8b967e1789dec77f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603061919h605dcb82k4ccfdd49e7cc77c@mail.gmail.com> <440D2272.1050405@johnwlong.com> <507da57a0603070750m227c4ca7vbcb100a20402c855@mail.gmail.com> <2f1a1dcb0603070809n2178af41p8b967e1789dec77f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507da57a0603080744pf224a51yb563bef7f0b9246f@mail.gmail.com> personally.. i think the coding exercises are terrific... One problem i have when learning something new is how to apply it to something so i can mess around with it. Because of jim's koans, i have something that i can mess around with on my own after the meetings... so my vote is for coding exercises... -colin On 3/7/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > On 3/7/06, colin h wrote: > > So i'm glad i'm not the only one who's brain is still hurting... > > Thanks a ton to everyone involved in bringing him in.. I really hope > > that we are able to bring more people through of that similiar calibre > > and i'm more then willing to support that however i can... > > Can't promise anything as mind-bending as last night (and AFAIK > there's only one Ruby guy who plays Zelda as a teaching tool), but we > want to keep moving toward coding together at meetings like we did > last night. So particularly about the collaborative coding: if any of > you have comments about what went well and what could be improved from > last night's experience, we're all ears. > > We're not running short of wonderful new stuff to talk about and hack > on in the coming months, either. But in order to keep things as > interesting and targeted as possible, I would like to ask: what topics > would you like to cover in future meetings? What could we do that > would make Chirb more valuable to you? > > So that's three questions I'm posing to all of you: > > 1. What did you enjoy and what could be better about programming > together at Chirb? > > 2. What topics would you like us to cover in future meetings? > > 3. In general, what could we do that would make Chirb more valuable to you? > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From aplatte at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 10:52:43 2006 From: aplatte at gmail.com (Alex Platte) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:52:43 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> Message-ID: While an undergrad at Indiana University, one of the few institutions that practices Evangelical Scheme, I was led through the forest of continuations. In a core class for CS, students use Scheme to: --transform their Scheme programs (such as factorial, which Jim shared in Ruby) into "continuation-passing style" (CPS) as Jim demonstrated --write a transformer that can take an arbitrary Scheme program as input and convert that program into CPS, eliminating the need for a "stack" --use CPS and call/cc to turn a Scheme program into an endless loop, terminated only by invocation of the top-level continuation. This, combined with a small code generator, may take an arbitrary (recursion-heavy) Scheme program into a C program that uses only gotos to call functions. These programs are *fast*. Not that I remember, off-hand, all the gritty details, but it can be pretty cool stuff. Here's one account [http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~jsobel/c455-c511.updated.txt], although this author doesn't use call/cc in his example. Not exactly trivial stuff :) I'm very interested to know what has been done and could be done with continuations in Ruby. Alex On 3/8/06, Mark Alexander Friedgan wrote: > > I was wondering if we could take a vote of how many people actually > > a. heard of > b. used > c understood > > continuations before this month's presentation. I remember learning and > using them > in ML back in school and they are indeed wonderful things as is all of > functional programming. > The one thing I always remember about functional programming is the > immense learning curve > and the incredible amount of appreciation for the beauty of this stuff > once you've 'ascended' > that particular learning curve. > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060308/3e4fd1c8/attachment-0001.htm From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 8 11:58:27 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:58:27 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> A, not B or C. I was just remarking to my brother (who jumped into this thread after I started this draft) that I'd like to learn more about functional and functional-style programming. I for one would enjoy learning about a FP angle on Ruby, or an overview of FP languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. Part of my interest is that I'm using stream-based XML parsing in my current project at work, and while the project is going very well, I'm noticing I'm feeling a lack of idiomatic command for what I'm doing, like I'm kinda holding the tool wrong. On 3/8/06, Mark Alexander Friedgan wrote: > I was wondering if we could take a vote of how many people actually > > a. heard of > b. used > c understood > > continuations before this month's presentation. I remember learning and > using them > in ML back in school and they are indeed wonderful things as is all of > functional programming. > The one thing I always remember about functional programming is the immense > learning curve > and the incredible amount of appreciation for the beauty of this stuff once > you've 'ascended' > that particular learning curve. > > Mark -- Ryan Platte From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Wed Mar 8 12:01:05 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:01:05 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! Message-ID: Noticed this interesting blog post... Retention Levels for Various Learning Methods http://www.nshb.net/retention-levels-for-various-learning-methods.html Teaching others, real appplication and practice rank highest... and lecture comes in last. No wonder I don't remember calculus from college....... -----Original Message----- From: colin h [mailto:qzzzq1 at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:44 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! personally.. i think the coding exercises are terrific... One problem i have when learning something new is how to apply it to something so i can mess around with it. Because of jim's koans, i have something that i can mess around with on my own after the meetings... so my vote is for coding exercises... -colin On 3/7/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > On 3/7/06, colin h wrote: > > So i'm glad i'm not the only one who's brain is still hurting... > > Thanks a ton to everyone involved in bringing him in.. I really hope > > that we are able to bring more people through of that similiar > > calibre and i'm more then willing to support that however i can... > > Can't promise anything as mind-bending as last night (and AFAIK > there's only one Ruby guy who plays Zelda as a teaching tool), but we > want to keep moving toward coding together at meetings like we did > last night. So particularly about the collaborative coding: if any of > you have comments about what went well and what could be improved from > last night's experience, we're all ears. > > We're not running short of wonderful new stuff to talk about and hack > on in the coming months, either. But in order to keep things as > interesting and targeted as possible, I would like to ask: what topics > would you like to cover in future meetings? What could we do that > would make Chirb more valuable to you? > > So that's three questions I'm posing to all of you: > > 1. What did you enjoy and what could be better about programming > together at Chirb? > > 2. What topics would you like us to cover in future meetings? > > 3. In general, what could we do that would make Chirb more valuable to you? > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this message. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From jbreen at centerpost.com Wed Mar 8 12:47:36 2006 From: jbreen at centerpost.com (Jim Breen) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:47:36 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations Message-ID: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7306612E@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com> That's a very helpful article. Thanks for posting it. -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org]On Behalf Of Sergio Rabiela Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:43 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations Hey Chirbers, I saw this on del.ico.us this morning. I haven't read it yet, but it looks like it could be helpful. http://idea-log.blogspot.com/2005/10/why-are-continuations-so-confusing-and.html Best, -Sergio _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 15:23:47 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:23:47 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] #chirb irc Message-ID: <3096c19d0603081223k7352514es3edb728f8f8c9213@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I started a #chirb channel on irc.freenode.net if anyone is interested. This is officially the first irc channel I've set up, so it's entirely possible I messed it up somehow. Please let me know if you can't connect. I'm relatively new to irc. Chris From JOBrien at thoughtworks.com Wed Mar 8 15:28:09 2006 From: JOBrien at thoughtworks.com (Joe O'Brien) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:28:09 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] #chirb irc In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0603081223k7352514es3edb728f8f8c9213@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I started a #chirb channel on irc.freenode.net Sweet! that's a great idea. Although I have not been able to log into irc.freenode.net at all today. :-( -Joe //- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - // Joe O'Brien, artisan // ThoughtWorks, Inc. // http://blog.objo.com // Y! id = joeobjo, gmail = obrien.joe // cell: 614\906-1394 //- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060308/17f5b732/attachment.htm From ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com Fri Mar 10 03:38:00 2006 From: ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:38:00 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Thank you, Jim! In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603070809n2178af41p8b967e1789dec77f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: on 3/7/06 10:09 AM, Ryan Platte at ryan at platte.name wrote: > On 3/7/06, colin h wrote: > [...] > So that's three questions I'm posing to all of you: > > 1. What did you enjoy and what could be better about programming > together at Chirb? Perhaps, identifying advanced, intermediate and noob users and ensuring they're paired well (no pairs of noobs or of jedi) could distribute the load better. And access to the downloads/repositories before the meeting (thinking more of the Selenium night, here -- Jim's files were quick and easy to pull down) would allow everyone download/set up in advance and to stay focused on learning during the meeting. > 2. What topics would you like us to cover in future meetings? I'm new to Ruby, via Rails. So I like Rails topics. But I enjoy topics from the larger Ruby world as well. Perhaps a discussion of speed techniques would be enlightening: what patterns run slowly, which run fast, and under what conditions. (Example: O'Reilly's "Programming Perl" has a few extremely useful pages on efficient techniques [Efficiency pp. 593-602, 3rd Ed.].) > 3. In general, what could we do that would make Chirb more valuable to you? - Just having a regular time to meet others and learn Ruby is already pretty darn good. - And the #chirb irc channel is already upping the value for me (thanks!) - Perhaps a small amount of time could be set aside each meeting for: a. hearing about recent or current Ruby projects by attendees b. an open Q&A unrelated to the night's topic (anyone can volunteer an answer) - Team coding. The Selenium exercise was good in this respect, although troubles with the repository and getting a teammate up to speed sidelined me early. We'd need repository access in advance of the meeting to do it right (say, svn.chirb.com?). Perhaps working on a replacement to meetup.com for Chirb would be a good exercise. - Code clinic. Group critiques code examples, weighs alternatives. Could break down into several groups. A presenter could supply code for educational purposes, or attendees could supply code they need feedback on. - The "Fish Bowl" or "Bull in the Center" was great (November?). Perhaps it could be trotted out once a quarter, or twice a year or so. -B... From marcel at vernix.org Sat Mar 11 13:22:44 2006 From: marcel at vernix.org (Marcel Molina Jr.) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:22:44 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:58:27AM -0600, Ryan Platte wrote: > about functional and functional-style programming. I for one would > enjoy learning about a FP angle on Ruby, or an overview of FP > languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. I look forward to your presentation on the results of your investigations on this topic at a future Chirb meeting ;) marcel -- Marcel Molina Jr. From JOBrien at thoughtworks.com Sat Mar 11 15:14:33 2006 From: JOBrien at thoughtworks.com (Joe O'Brien) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:14:33 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> Message-ID: > or an overview of FP languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. Another ThoughtWorker here just recommended SmallTalk Best Practice Patterns by Kent Beck and I have to say I'm digging it. It's not as much on the FP side as you were looking for, but it's a great example of a book that you might not think about for Ruby. Seeing as how similar they are, it's been a wealth of knowledge to tap into. Highly recommended for any other Ruby-ist. -Joe //- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - // Joe O'Brien, artisan // ThoughtWorks, Inc. // http://blog.objo.com // Y! id = joeobjo, gmail = obrien.joe // cell: 614\906-1394 //- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060311/4cc107e7/attachment.htm From dave.hoover at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 16:02:55 2006 From: dave.hoover at gmail.com (Dave Hoover) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:02:55 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: References: <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> Message-ID: <11c8704e0603111302x5ac37ebet1dbc877bd9433f04@mail.gmail.com> > Another ThoughtWorker here just recommended SmallTalk Best Practice Patterns > by Kent Beck and I have to say I'm digging it. It's not as much on the FP > side as you were looking for, but it's a great example of a book that you > might not think about for Ruby. Seeing as how similar they are, it's been a > wealth of knowledge to tap into. Highly recommended for any other Ruby-ist. I recommend that book for any programmer, regardless of language. :-) From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 13 09:48:17 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:48:17 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <11c8704e0603111302x5ac37ebet1dbc877bd9433f04@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <11c8704e0603111302x5ac37ebet1dbc877bd9433f04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603130648t7d60d782v953de693a93fdd3f@mail.gmail.com> On 3/11/06, Dave Hoover wrote: > > Another ThoughtWorker here just recommended SmallTalk Best Practice Patterns > > by Kent Beck and I have to say I'm digging it. It's not as much on the FP > > side as you were looking for, but it's a great example of a book that you > > might not think about for Ruby. Seeing as how similar they are, it's been a > > wealth of knowledge to tap into. Highly recommended for any other Ruby-ist. > > I recommend that book for any programmer, regardless of language. :-) On my shelf. I spotted it at a Bargain Books a few years ago and nabbed it. (By which I mean I *purchased* it, albeit feeling a little guilty at my good fortune.) I enjoy it a great deal, and I think it helped form some of the principles and concepts I use whenever I write code. So, I third that recommendation! I think I'll reread it. -- Ryan Platte From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 13 09:57:21 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:57:21 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> On 3/11/06, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:58:27AM -0600, Ryan Platte wrote: > > about functional and functional-style programming. I for one would > > enjoy learning about a FP angle on Ruby, or an overview of FP > > languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. > > I look forward to your presentation on the results of your investigations on > this topic at a future Chirb meeting ;) Oof. Now I've done it. Good idea, Marcel. I guess I'll add myself to the schedule whenever the lineup of Big Names in Ruby thins out a little (probably not for a few months yet). I'll also look for someone to do a follow-on talk demonstrating the power of FP more knowledgeably than I'll be able to. But yes, I suppose I'll have enough to present new material for nubys and perhaps new approaches or a different perspective for the smarty-pantses. -- Ryan Platte From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 10:29:07 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:29:07 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507da57a0603130729u53b71ec0r1cc093370f531c2a@mail.gmail.com> I'm very interested in learning FP even if it's the basics... hopefully you can create some test cases for us to run through as well.. -colin On 3/13/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > On 3/11/06, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:58:27AM -0600, Ryan Platte wrote: > > > about functional and functional-style programming. I for one would > > > enjoy learning about a FP angle on Ruby, or an overview of FP > > > languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. > > > > I look forward to your presentation on the results of your investigations on > > this topic at a future Chirb meeting ;) > > Oof. Now I've done it. > > Good idea, Marcel. I guess I'll add myself to the schedule whenever > the lineup of Big Names in Ruby thins out a little (probably not for a > few months yet). I'll also look for someone to do a follow-on talk > demonstrating the power of FP more knowledgeably than I'll be able to. > But yes, I suppose I'll have enough to present new material for nubys > and perhaps new approaches or a different perspective for the > smarty-pantses. > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From hubrix at hubrix.com Mon Mar 13 10:54:25 2006 From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:54:25 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ryan, Some ideas for classic demonstrations of FP: 1. Continuation based parser for a simple language 2. Solving some classic problem like knight moves or queen moves 3. simple recursive stuff (not hugely interesting) like fibonacci, factorial etc... 4. list processing stuff, most people are probably already familiar with map/zip/inject so i dont know how interesting that is, although i've got 4 or 5 really creative uses of inject, i really love that function Mark On 3/13/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > > On 3/11/06, Marcel Molina Jr. wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:58:27AM -0600, Ryan Platte wrote: > > > about functional and functional-style programming. I for one would > > > enjoy learning about a FP angle on Ruby, or an overview of FP > > > languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. > > > > I look forward to your presentation on the results of your > investigations on > > this topic at a future Chirb meeting ;) > > Oof. Now I've done it. > > Good idea, Marcel. I guess I'll add myself to the schedule whenever > the lineup of Big Names in Ruby thins out a little (probably not for a > few months yet). I'll also look for someone to do a follow-on talk > demonstrating the power of FP more knowledgeably than I'll be able to. > But yes, I suppose I'll have enough to present new material for nubys > and perhaps new approaches or a different perspective for the > smarty-pantses. > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060313/4084e33b/attachment.htm From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 13 11:03:15 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:03:15 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <507da57a0603130729u53b71ec0r1cc093370f531c2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <507da57a0603130729u53b71ec0r1cc093370f531c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603130803p4d495ed1tf3517a95ab90116e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, colin h wrote: > I'm very interested in learning FP even if it's the basics... > hopefully you can create some test cases for us to run through as > well.. Yes, I think that may even be a new rule for future meetings: give us some test cases to make pass, or some other way to code something together. -- Ryan Platte From forrest at forrestjadick.com Mon Mar 13 11:17:05 2006 From: forrest at forrestjadick.com (forrest jadick) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:17:05 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com><2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com><20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org><2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. It's been known to happen :) Thanks, Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060313/265e71c6/attachment.htm From peter at oaktop.com Mon Mar 13 11:20:35 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:20:35 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? Message-ID: Hi Forrest, Welcome to the group! From what I recall, the group has been on the first Monday of every month. I would expect that to be continue. Peter ________________________________________ From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of forrest jadick Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:17 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] meetings? Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? ? Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. It's been known to happen :) ? Thanks, Forrest From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 13 11:39:07 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:39:07 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? In-Reply-To: <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> Hi Forrest, You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: > > Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate > in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a > "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of > local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? > > Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. > It's been known to happen :) > > Thanks, > > Forrest > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > -- Ryan Platte From forrest at forrestjadick.com Mon Mar 13 12:07:46 2006 From: forrest at forrestjadick.com (forrest jadick) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:07:46 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com><2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com><20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org><2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com><010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <017601c646c0$a6ac4250$8119fea9@xpuser> Ah yes, "any day now"... programmerese for "any day but today"... :) Thanks for the info! See you all on April 3rd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Platte" To: "Chirb discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Chirb] meetings? > Hi Forrest, > > You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the > mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of > each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. > > We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed > chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. > From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 12:08:49 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:08:49 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507da57a0603130908g1d8000b0ia3337a8b7bb6bdcb@mail.gmail.com> welcome forrest! we also have a small gathering at freenode on #chirb On 3/13/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > Hi Forrest, > > You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the > mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of > each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. > > We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed > chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. > > On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: > > > > Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate > > in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a > > "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of > > local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? > > > > Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. > > It's been known to happen :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Forrest > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From ng at johnwlong.com Mon Mar 13 12:59:25 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:59:25 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Chirb Message-ID: <4415B2FD.6050401@johnwlong.com> It just struck me this afternoon that "Chirb" could stand for: Chicago IRB or Chicago Interactive Ruby Perhaps it really stands for: Chicago Hackers' Interactive Ruby Brigade -- John From rubygroup at johnwlong.com Mon Mar 13 13:05:45 2006 From: rubygroup at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> Message-ID: <4415B479.70105@johnwlong.com> Looks like there is a group project on continuations that is ramping up: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_thread/thread/c7dda8c27e216580 -- John From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 13 13:06:31 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:06:31 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chirb In-Reply-To: <4415B2FD.6050401@johnwlong.com> References: <4415B2FD.6050401@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603131006g66427e2fj2163bb8149efd72e@mail.gmail.com> LOL, David Chelimsky made exactly that argument in favor of the "Chirb" name when I brought it up for discussion at the meeting a few months ago. On 3/13/06, John W. Long wrote: > It just struck me this afternoon that "Chirb" could stand for: > > Chicago IRB or Chicago Interactive Ruby > > Perhaps it really stands for: > > Chicago Hackers' Interactive Ruby Brigade -- Ryan Platte From dave at sus4.net Mon Mar 13 13:25:21 2006 From: dave at sus4.net (David Minor) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:25:21 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chirb In-Reply-To: <4415B2FD.6050401@johnwlong.com> References: <4415B2FD.6050401@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:59 AM, John W. Long wrote: > It just struck me this afternoon that "Chirb" could stand for: > > Chicago IRB or Chicago Interactive Ruby > > Perhaps it really stands for: > > Chicago Hackers' Interactive Ruby Brigade > I could've sworn it stood for: Chillin' Homies in Ruby Bondage From myself at walkerhamilton.com Mon Mar 13 14:24:08 2006 From: myself at walkerhamilton.com (Walker Hamilton) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:24:08 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chirb In-Reply-To: References: <4415B2FD.6050401@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <2978165B-99F3-4B4B-83C8-253A6442B71A@walkerhamilton.com> On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:25 PM, David Minor wrote: > On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:59 AM, John W. Long wrote: > > I could've sworn it stood for: > > Chillin' Homies in Ruby Bondage creeeeepy Walker Hamilton http://www.walkerhamilton.com From maillst at aol.com Mon Mar 13 23:29:55 2006 From: maillst at aol.com (Terry) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:29:55 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] College Ruby and Rails Classes? Message-ID: <905c882ca113f6faacf08bfe92a3e111@aol.com> Are any Chicago area colleges offering Ruby classes? Thanks Terry From nahteecirp at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 11:37:27 2006 From: nahteecirp at gmail.com (Ethan Price) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4416F147.2080803@gmail.com> Hi all, My name is Ethan Price, and I have been wanting to attend one of these meetings but haven't gotten a chance yet (being 15 and living in Northern Indiana tends to present a minor transportation problem). I've taught myself Ruby using Chris Pine's online tutorial (I got to review the book version and it is great), but it seems most of these meetings are focused on Ruby on Rails, which frankly I don't have a lot of interest in. I was wondering if the meetings tend to be more general, or RoR focused? Thanks, Ethan Ryan Platte wrote: > Hi Forrest, > > You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the > mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of > each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. > > We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed > chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. > > On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: > >> Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate >> in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a >> "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of >> local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? >> >> Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. >> It's been known to happen :) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Forrest >> _______________________________________________ >> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list >> >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > -- Ethan Price Ruby Programmer http://nahteecirp.googlepages.com/ "Even penguins can fly" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060314/91d7d320/attachment.htm From hubrix at hubrix.com Tue Mar 14 11:57:19 2006 From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:57:19 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? In-Reply-To: <4416F147.2080803@gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> <4416F147.2080803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ethan, very admirable to be learning all this stuff yourself (reminds me of learning to program when i was in junior high). Some of the meetings do indeed focus on RoR because for most people its the easiest path into Ruby. I am presenting at next months meeting and my presentation is regarding TupleSpaces/Rinda which is not at all rails related. Transportation could indeed be a problem. mark On 3/14/06, Ethan Price wrote: > > Hi all, > My name is Ethan Price, and I have been wanting to attend one of these > meetings but haven't gotten a chance yet (being 15 and living in Northern > Indiana tends to present a minor transportation problem). I've taught myself > Ruby using Chris Pine's online tutorial (I got to review the book version > and it is great), but it seems most of these meetings are focused on Ruby on > Rails, which frankly I don't have a lot of interest in. I was wondering if > the meetings tend to be more general, or RoR focused? > > Thanks, > Ethan > > Ryan Platte wrote: > > Hi Forrest, > > You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the > mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of > each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. > > We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed > chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. > > On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: > > Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate > in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a > "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of > local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? > > Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. > It's been known to happen :) > > Thanks, > > Forrest > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > -- > Ethan Price > Ruby Programmer > http://nahteecirp.googlepages.com/ > "Even penguins can fly" > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060314/63fae550/attachment-0001.htm From hubrix at hubrix.com Tue Mar 14 11:57:19 2006 From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:57:19 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? In-Reply-To: <4416F147.2080803@gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <010501c646b9$9200ae10$8119fea9@xpuser> <2f1a1dcb0603130839n281013f8h12835b721f5d4517@mail.gmail.com> <4416F147.2080803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ethan, very admirable to be learning all this stuff yourself (reminds me of learning to program when i was in junior high). Some of the meetings do indeed focus on RoR because for most people its the easiest path into Ruby. I am presenting at next months meeting and my presentation is regarding TupleSpaces/Rinda which is not at all rails related. Transportation could indeed be a problem. mark On 3/14/06, Ethan Price wrote: > > Hi all, > My name is Ethan Price, and I have been wanting to attend one of these > meetings but haven't gotten a chance yet (being 15 and living in Northern > Indiana tends to present a minor transportation problem). I've taught myself > Ruby using Chris Pine's online tutorial (I got to review the book version > and it is great), but it seems most of these meetings are focused on Ruby on > Rails, which frankly I don't have a lot of interest in. I was wondering if > the meetings tend to be more general, or RoR focused? > > Thanks, > Ethan > > Ryan Platte wrote: > > Hi Forrest, > > You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the > mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of > each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. > > We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed > chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. > > On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: > > Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate > in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a > "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of > local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? > > Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. > It's been known to happen :) > > Thanks, > > Forrest > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > -- > Ethan Price > Ruby Programmer > http://nahteecirp.googlepages.com/ > "Even penguins can fly" > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am presenting at next months meeting and my presentation is regarding TupleSpaces/Rinda which is not at all rails related. Transportation could indeed be a problem. mark On 3/14/06, Ethan Price wrote: > > Hi all, > My name is Ethan Price, and I have been wanting to attend one of these > meetings but haven't gotten a chance yet (being 15 and living in Northern > Indiana tends to present a minor transportation problem). I've taught myself > Ruby using Chris Pine's online tutorial (I got to review the book version > and it is great), but it seems most of these meetings are focused on Ruby on > Rails, which frankly I don't have a lot of interest in. I was wondering if > the meetings tend to be more general, or RoR focused? > > Thanks, > Ethan > > Ryan Platte wrote: > > Hi Forrest, > > You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the > mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of > each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. > > We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed > chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. > > On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: > > Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate > in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a > "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of > local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? > > Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. > It's been known to happen :) > > Thanks, > > Forrest > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > -- > Ethan Price > Ruby Programmer > http://nahteecirp.googlepages.com/ > "Even penguins can fly" > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060314/63fae550/attachment-0003.htm From peter at oaktop.com Tue Mar 14 13:04:43 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:04:43 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] meetings? Message-ID: Hi Ethan, Good to know that you are learning Ruby! Actually, the meetings aren't Rails specific. In fact, in the past 4 months, we only had one Rails-related meeting, and that was in testing. I also don't think any of the planned meetings (at this point) is even Rails related, so we are very general. :) It would be great if you can make it to one of the meetings. Peter ________________________________________ From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Price Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:37 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] meetings? Hi all, My name is Ethan Price, and I have been wanting to attend one of these meetings but haven't gotten a chance yet (being 15 and living in Northern Indiana tends to present a minor transportation problem). I've taught myself Ruby using Chris Pine's online tutorial (I got to review the book version and it is great), but it seems most of these meetings are focused on Ruby on Rails, which frankly I don't have a lot of interest in. I was wondering if the meetings tend to be more general, or RoR focused? Thanks, Ethan Ryan Platte wrote: Hi Forrest, You've come to the right place. We announce all events here on the mailing list. And yes, we're currently meeting on the first Monday of each month at ThoughtWorks in Chicago. We're currently using http://ruby.meetup.com/55 although we've grabbed chirb.org and will almost certainly make use of it Any Day Now. On 3/13/06, forrest jadick wrote: Hello, my name is Forrest and I'm a new Rails user. I'd like to participate in some of the Chicago Ruby meetings/events. I was curious if there was a "calendar of events" or some such thing that I could use to keep on top of local Ruby happenings. Also, when and where is the regular meeting? Sorry if I'm missing the obvious and it's right in front of me somewhere. It's been known to happen :) Thanks, Forrest _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -- Ryan Platte _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -- Ethan Price Ruby Programmer http://nahteecirp.googlepages.com/ "Even penguins can fly" From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 10:58:02 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:58:02 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <507da57a0603130729u53b71ec0r1cc093370f531c2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <507da57a0603130729u53b71ec0r1cc093370f531c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0603170758o152be76axef82b381536d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> On 3/13/06, colin h wrote: > I'm very interested in learning FP even if it's the basics... > hopefully you can create some test cases for us to run through as > well.. I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but a guy (whom I can't vouch for) is translating Higher Order Perl (a great book) into Ruby: http://blog.grayproductions.net/articles/category/higher-order-ruby For my hard earned book buying dollars, I recommend Higher Order Perl as a good FP learning book. Perl doesn't have the t-shirt-a-bility of "I know Smalltalk", but it seems like most Ruby-nauts have made their way through Perl at some point, maybe more so than Smalltalk. Chris From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 12:00:39 2006 From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:00:39 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Sorry, have to withdraw the suggesting. Re: Proposal for May 1 Chirb meeting:Deep Watir? Message-ID: <72799cd70603170900w26b418eaxf2c5ef36ae65cc3a@mail.gmail.com> It turns out that I won't be in Chicago for the May meeting. Sorry about that. -Chris On 2/28/06, Chris McMahon wrote: > Hello Chirb... > > On May 16 I'll be presenting a full-day workshop at the STAREAST > conference "Scripting For Testers (with Ruby)", almost certainly with > Dave Hoover. (This is the course designed and pioneered by Bret > Pettichord and Brian Marick. It's been presented it at the STAR > conferences and the Agile conferences several times each.) It would be > fine to present this material at the Chirb meeting on May 1 before the > conference happens. (See links below.) > > Would the group be interested in this? The course is really aimed at > beginners, but I would condense the Best Parts to present at the Chirb > meeting. > > But I'm not sure it's really of interest. I've only been to one Chirb > meeting: have you seen Watir before? I'd hate to bore anyone. > > But on the plus side: > Watir is an interesting Ruby DSL for Windows and IE. > It's interesting testing-- the framework can be aimed at unit-style > testing or at acceptance-style testing. > It's a very, very popular rubyforge download (#10 as of today, just > ahead of Rake), now moving to OpenQA, where Selenium lives. > Harry Robinson at Google likes it. :) > > On the minus side: > The material really is targeted for beginners. > Acceptance testing may not be that popular a subject. > > Regardless, comments and criticism are welcome. > > Here are some links: > > STAREAST: > http://www.sqe.com/stareast/index.asp > http://www.sqe.com/stareast/tutorials.asp?dow=tue (very bottom of page) > > Class materials (open source): > http://wtr.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?ScriptingForTesters > http://openqa.org/watir/ (coming soon) > > People: me, Dave, Bret, Brian: > http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com > http://redsquirrel.com/dave/ > http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog/ > http://www.testing.com/cgi-bin/blog > From dave.hoover at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 12:22:03 2006 From: dave.hoover at gmail.com (Dave Hoover) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:22:03 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0603170758o152be76axef82b381536d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> <20060311182244.GL19136@chicago.vernix.org> <2f1a1dcb0603130657w4330d7a8q939fa19619f5c246@mail.gmail.com> <507da57a0603130729u53b71ec0r1cc093370f531c2a@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0603170758o152be76axef82b381536d7ac9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11c8704e0603170922x134c9660h9924aa04262405b8@mail.gmail.com> > For my hard earned book buying dollars, I recommend Higher Order Perl > as a good FP learning book. Perl doesn't have the t-shirt-a-bility of > "I know Smalltalk", but it seems like most Ruby-nauts have made their > way through Perl at some point, maybe more so than Smalltalk. I second that nomination. Higher Order Perl is all about FP and a great intro if you can read Perl. Come to think of it, maybe that would be a good t-shirt: I can read Perl. From hubrix at gmail.com Fri Mar 17 13:17:26 2006 From: hubrix at gmail.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:17:26 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] ruby.NET Message-ID: one of my developers ran across this. i think it's kind of neat, especially for all those MS only shops will give an option to use Ruby. http://www.plas.fit.qut.edu.au/rubynet/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Burdick, Jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:59:02 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 3/17/06 12:17 PM, Mark Alexander Friedgan at hubrix at gmail.com wrote: > one of my developers ran across this. > i think it's kind of neat, especially for all those MS only shops > will give an option to use Ruby. > > http://www.plas.fit.qut.edu.au/rubynet/ There's also Hisakuni Fujimoto's RubyCocoa for Mac OS X developers. Here's a recent short presentation by Rod Schmidt introducing RubyCocoa with reference to Objective-C in Cocoa: http://infinitenil.com/developers/rubycocoa-urug.pdf -B... From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 14:21:21 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:21:21 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: <507da57a0603201121n513e2bbfvbcc364ea7d7f7fa9@mail.gmail.com> so i was talking with secant in the #chirb room on freenode (come on in.. the water's fine...) and we were wondering if anyone made any steps forward on the meetup.com replacement? if not.. lets start developing a plan of attack.. such as what features we like, what we hate... i'm not a master of agile or XP, just a humble student, so if anyone else has a better way of kicking this off or organizing..please feel free to add your $0.02 -colin h. From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Mon Mar 20 14:25:36 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:25:36 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Perhaps you can join forces with the chipmonks, they are planning on a coding sprint on Mar 18 on this same type of application: http://www.chipy.org/ChipyChipySprint If you are interesting in learning some python, they are having a Newbie day THIS SATURDAY: http://www.chipy.org/NewbieDay -----Original Message----- From: colin h [mailto:qzzzq1 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:21 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? so i was talking with secant in the #chirb room on freenode (come on in.. the water's fine...) and we were wondering if anyone made any steps forward on the meetup.com replacement? if not.. lets start developing a plan of attack.. such as what features we like, what we hate... i'm not a master of agile or XP, just a humble student, so if anyone else has a better way of kicking this off or organizing..please feel free to add your $0.02 -colin h. _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406d2d610603201153k3e28ac3agda53d829f794fefb@mail.gmail.com> On 3/20/06, Stowe, Nola wrote: > > Perhaps you can join forces with the chipmonks, they are planning on a > coding sprint on Mar 18 on this same type of application: > > http://www.chipy.org/ChipyChipySprint > > > If you are interesting in learning some python, they are having a Newbie > day > THIS SATURDAY: http://www.chipy.org/NewbieDay I think it'd be great to collaberate with ChiPy on stuff, but that would dampen my oppurtunity to learn nifty coding techniques with peers that know More Stuff than me in Rails. If their project is bearing fruit then we can work on something else. If not, I expect we can put something together faster than they will. Anyway, we should start with some desired features, whether we code it in Rails or help ChiPy do it with whatever they do it with: * Manage meeting dates * Get Attendance Estimates (people registering yes/maybe/no) * Announcements Some other nice to haves?: * Integration with mailing list * Log of #chirb (if we can have a bot do that) I'm sure other people have ideas to add to this, yes? :) --Michael a.k.a. secant on #chirb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060320/b982807c/attachment.htm From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Mar 20 15:01:32 2006 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:01:32 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp Message-ID: <441F0A1C.8070203@hostedlabs.com> Hello all, At the last Python users group I attended I mentioned real quickly that I was going to be starting a BAR camp for chicago. Well that process has begun and I wanted to tell everyone about it. Quick summary for those who don't know the BAR camp concept sprung from OReilly's FOO camp and is generally a an informal party/conference about technology innovation and collaboration where participants can pitch ideas, present their work, or brainstorm on new developments. The official line goes: "BarCamp is an ad-hoc un-conference born from the desire for people to share and learn in an open environment. It is an intense event with discussions, demos, and interaction from attendees." Either way its something you all will be familiar with, but not language specific. The wiki site is up at: http://barcampchicago.com/ You can see about the other BAR camps here: http://www.sfist.com/archives/2005/08/23/barcamp_2005.php http://barcamp.org/BarCampAustinI http://amitgupta.com/blog/shoebox/2006/01/17/barcamp-nyc-its-over/ Where I am at in the process is just starting to look for a venue (the biggest and most difficult part). Well I hope everyone finds this at least interesting and I welcome any feedback. And I really hope some of you participate! Thanks! -jason From ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com Tue Mar 21 12:52:17 2006 From: ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another IU grad here, although I have to admit Friedman's Scheme class had me in intellectual agony. It didn't start to unfold for me until years later. And it's still a hefty grok. The mention of really *fast* recursive Scheme below led me to strike up a conversation last week with Kurt Stephens, a language design maven, friend, and fellow Scheme fan who's recently taken to Ruby. I wondered what he thought Ruby needed to achieve this. He'd been thinking independently on these lines. So it wasn't a day before he wrote this: Embedding a properly tail-recursive, stack-based interpreter in C: http://kurtstephens.com/index.cgi/page/article.html?article_id=5 It doesn't directly reference Ruby. But I wonder what it would take to implement this under Ruby (if I had the resources, I'd pay Kurt to do it). Then I could dream of really *fast* CPS Ruby -- after a period of intense study, of course. Favorite line from the Sobel article below: "Optimization is always just a few correctness-preserving transformations away." -B... on 3/8/06 9:52 AM, Alex Platte at aplatte at gmail.com wrote: > While an undergrad at Indiana University, one of the few institutions that > practices Evangelical Scheme, I was led through the forest of continuations. > In a core class for CS, students use Scheme to: > > --transform their Scheme programs (such as factorial, which Jim shared in > Ruby) into "continuation-passing style" (CPS) as Jim demonstrated > --write a transformer that can take an arbitrary Scheme program as input and > convert that program into CPS, eliminating the need for a "stack" > --use CPS and call/cc to turn a Scheme program into an endless loop, > terminated only by invocation of the top-level continuation. This, combined > with a small code generator, may take an arbitrary (recursion-heavy) Scheme > program into a C program that uses only gotos to call functions. These > programs are *fast*. > > Not that I remember, off-hand, all the gritty details, but it can be pretty > cool stuff. Here's one account > [ > http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~jsobel/c455-c511.updated.txt > ], although this > author doesn't use call/cc in his example. > > Not exactly trivial stuff :) I'm very interested to know what has been done > and could be done with continuations in Ruby. > > Alex > > On 3/8/06, Mark Alexander Friedgan wrote: >> I was wondering if we could take a vote of how many people actually >> >> a. heard of >> b. used >> c understood >> >> continuations before this month's presentation. I remember learning and using >> them >> in ML back in school and they are indeed wonderful things as is all of >> functional programming. >> The one thing I always remember about functional programming is the immense >> learning curve >> and the incredible amount of appreciation for the beauty of this stuff once >> you've 'ascended' >> that particular learning curve. >> >> >> Mark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From mlist at dakic.com Tue Mar 21 12:58:27 2006 From: mlist at dakic.com (mlist at dakic.com) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:58:27 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp In-Reply-To: <441F0A1C.8070203@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <000301c64d11$0ed34f30$230110ac@DAKICONLINE> This sounds like a great idea and I would look forward to it. I checked url you provided and some things don't work... yet. Anyway, keep us posted, Regards, Zeljko P.S. I am reading about NY event... taking off their shoes! Grosse! :) Hope no-one will come to such idea here. > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of Jason Rexilius > Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp > > Hello all, > > At the last Python users group I attended I mentioned real > quickly that I was going to be starting a BAR camp for > chicago. Well that process has begun and I wanted to tell > everyone about it. > > Quick summary for those who don't know the BAR camp concept > sprung from OReilly's FOO camp and is generally a an informal > party/conference about technology innovation and > collaboration where participants can pitch ideas, present > their work, or brainstorm on new developments. > > The official line goes: > > "BarCamp is an ad-hoc un-conference born from the desire for > people to share and learn in an open environment. It is an > intense event with discussions, demos, and interaction from > attendees." From ryan at platte.name Tue Mar 21 15:59:15 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:59:15 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp In-Reply-To: <441F0A1C.8070203@hostedlabs.com> References: <441F0A1C.8070203@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603211259k4a9992a1l1ce69d3282d2c5c5@mail.gmail.com> On 3/20/06, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Hello all, > > At the last Python users group I attended I mentioned real quickly > that I was going to be starting a BAR camp for chicago. Well that > process has begun and I wanted to tell everyone about it. ... > Where I am at in the process is just starting to look for a venue (the > biggest and most difficult part). > > Well I hope everyone finds this at least interesting and I welcome any > feedback. And I really hope some of you participate! Thanks! This sounds great, and thanks for letting us know. What next actions do you have? Do you have a desired date for the event? Myself, I like foregoing shoes... :-) -- Ryan Platte From jason at hostedlabs.com Tue Mar 21 16:07:25 2006 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:07:25 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603211259k4a9992a1l1ce69d3282d2c5c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <441F0A1C.8070203@hostedlabs.com> <2f1a1dcb0603211259k4a9992a1l1ce69d3282d2c5c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44206B0D.2030108@hostedlabs.com> Well the big step right now is finding a venue. Need a space that looks something like: * At least 3-4 medium-sized rooms appropriate for discussions or presentations * One or two large gathering spaces * At least two bathrooms * At least one shower * The ability to house 100 people during the day, and 50 people overnight * Internet access * Free (or barter or small $) use of the site for an entire weekend Anyone have any thoughts? > On 3/20/06, Jason Rexilius wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >> At the last Python users group I attended I mentioned real quickly >>that I was going to be starting a BAR camp for chicago. Well that >>process has begun and I wanted to tell everyone about it. > > ... > >> Where I am at in the process is just starting to look for a venue (the >>biggest and most difficult part). >> >> Well I hope everyone finds this at least interesting and I welcome any >>feedback. And I really hope some of you participate! Thanks! > > > This sounds great, and thanks for letting us know. What next actions > do you have? Do you have a desired date for the event? > > Myself, I like foregoing shoes... :-) > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From ryan at platte.name Tue Mar 21 16:11:15 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:11:15 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp In-Reply-To: <44206B0D.2030108@hostedlabs.com> References: <441F0A1C.8070203@hostedlabs.com> <2f1a1dcb0603211259k4a9992a1l1ce69d3282d2c5c5@mail.gmail.com> <44206B0D.2030108@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603211311r2db51316qa031febee34cc129@mail.gmail.com> I'd try talking to DePaul. On 3/21/06, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Well the big step right now is finding a venue. Need a space that looks > something like: > > * At least 3-4 medium-sized rooms appropriate for discussions or > presentations > * One or two large gathering spaces > * At least two bathrooms > * At least one shower > * The ability to house 100 people during the day, and 50 people > overnight > * Internet access > * Free (or barter or small $) use of the site for an entire weekend > > Anyone have any thoughts? -- Ryan Platte From peter at oaktop.com Wed Mar 22 00:17:20 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:17:20 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp Message-ID: DePaul should definitely be on your list. I know that CTI (cs.depaul.edu) can probably accommodate a weekend group in the classrooms. However, the downtown campus has no way of providing a shower or overnight housing (the building is also closed at night). Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Platte Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:11 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Chicago BAR camp I'd try talking to DePaul. On 3/21/06, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Well the big step right now is finding a venue. Need a space that looks > something like: > > * At least 3-4 medium-sized rooms appropriate for discussions or > presentations > * One or two large gathering spaces > * At least two bathrooms > * At least one shower > * The ability to house 100 people during the day, and 50 people > overnight > * Internet access > * Free (or barter or small $) use of the site for an entire weekend > > Anyone have any thoughts? -- Ryan Platte _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From peter at oaktop.com Wed Mar 22 00:24:35 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:24:35 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Hi Colin, Glad you asked! I started learning about Rails beginning of this year and my first application was a user group web app (developed for the Chicago Java User Group). It is called Uger. Uger is by no mean complete; however, it is functional. You can take a look at it at http://www.cjug.org/uger/. (Check out the source code at http://svn.oaktop.com/Uger/truck using Subversion). If there is any interest from the group, I would love to volunteer the code base and my involvement. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of colin h Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:21 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? so i was talking with secant in the #chirb room on freenode (come on in.. the water's fine...) and we were wondering if anyone made any steps forward on the meetup.com replacement? if not.. lets start developing a plan of attack.. such as what features we like, what we hate... i'm not a master of agile or XP, just a humble student, so if anyone else has a better way of kicking this off or organizing..please feel free to add your $0.02 -colin h. _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 22 10:03:40 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:03:40 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603220703p115ff41rdf8ccd8808cd3ec5@mail.gmail.com> Peter, at first blush (extremely cursory look at the CJUG install and a bit of the code) that looks attractive. Thanks for letting us know. Do you have a scope limit in mind for this tool? On 3/21/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > Hi Colin, > Glad you asked! I started learning about Rails beginning of this > year and my first application was a user group web app (developed for > the Chicago Java User Group). It is called Uger. Uger is by no mean > complete; however, it is functional. You can take a look at it at > http://www.cjug.org/uger/. (Check out the source code at > http://svn.oaktop.com/Uger/truck using Subversion). > If there is any interest from the group, I would love to > volunteer the code base and my involvement. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > colin h > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:21 AM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > so i was talking with secant in the #chirb room on freenode (come on > in.. the water's fine...) and we were wondering if anyone made any > steps forward on the meetup.com replacement? if not.. lets start > developing a plan of attack.. such as what features we like, what we > hate... > > i'm not a master of agile or XP, just a humble student, so if anyone > else has a better way of kicking this off or organizing..please feel > free to add your $0.02 > > > -colin h. > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -- Ryan Platte From peter at oaktop.com Wed Mar 22 13:45:55 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:45:55 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Hi Ryan, Thanks for looking at it and your nice comment. I don't have any scope limit on Uger. My initial thought was to create a generic user group web application. It also represents my attempt to learn about Rails. Right now, the functionality is fairly limited and not far above the "scaffolding." However, it does the job. Do let me know if I can be of assistance. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Platte Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:04 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Peter, at first blush (extremely cursory look at the CJUG install and a bit of the code) that looks attractive. Thanks for letting us know. Do you have a scope limit in mind for this tool? On 3/21/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > Hi Colin, > Glad you asked! I started learning about Rails beginning of this > year and my first application was a user group web app (developed for > the Chicago Java User Group). It is called Uger. Uger is by no mean > complete; however, it is functional. You can take a look at it at > http://www.cjug.org/uger/. (Check out the source code at > http://svn.oaktop.com/Uger/truck using Subversion). > If there is any interest from the group, I would love to > volunteer the code base and my involvement. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > colin h > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:21 AM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > so i was talking with secant in the #chirb room on freenode (come on > in.. the water's fine...) and we were wondering if anyone made any > steps forward on the meetup.com replacement? if not.. lets start > developing a plan of attack.. such as what features we like, what we > hate... > > i'm not a master of agile or XP, just a humble student, so if anyone > else has a better way of kicking this off or organizing..please feel > free to add your $0.02 > > > -colin h. > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -- Ryan Platte _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From ryan at platte.name Sat Mar 25 09:29:45 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:29:45 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603250629hd7c4eedx8558a5bfcd0d7f85@mail.gmail.com> On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > Do let me know if I can be of assistance. You can be of assistance. :-) We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to participate in the web project. -- Ryan Platte From dave.hoover at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 13:39:38 2006 From: dave.hoover at gmail.com (Dave Hoover) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:39:38 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] more on continuations In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> References: <440EED64.8000309@noesbueno.com> <2f1a1dcb0603080858s2bcafdfah8e288e4b3662c03e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11c8704e0603251039x3d11a19aob540dcce296394c1@mail.gmail.com> Ryan Platte wrote: > I was just remarking to my brother (who jumped into > this thread after I started this draft) that I'd like to learn more > about functional and functional-style programming. I for one would > enjoy learning about a FP angle on Ruby, or an overview of FP > languages, culture, and solutions for Rubyists. Here is a nice teaser for writing functional Ruby: http://eliben.blogspot.com/2006/03/ruby-as-both-functional-and-oo.html From cstejerean at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 00:03:20 2006 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:03:20 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603250629hd7c4eedx8558a5bfcd0d7f85@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603250629hd7c4eedx8558a5bfcd0d7f85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <276266d0603252103g19cf9c86s7f5c141e99a8f546@mail.gmail.com> I am interested in participating in this as well. I think Ryan has a good point about creating a separate mailing list so we don't crowd everyone's inbox with project related info. Cosmin On 3/25/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > > On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > > Do let me know if I can be of assistance. > > You can be of assistance. :-) > > We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and > will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. > > Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to > participate in the web project. > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -- Cosmin Stejerean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060325/123b1d3f/attachment.htm From peter at oaktop.com Sun Mar 26 01:53:59 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:53:59 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: I think the separate mailing list is a good idea too. Please keep me filled in. Thanks, Peter ________________________________ From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Cosmin Stejerean Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:03 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? I am interested in participating in this as well. I think Ryan has a good point about creating a separate mailing list so we don't crowd everyone's inbox with project related info. Cosmin On 3/25/06, Ryan Platte wrote: On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > Do let me know if I can be of assistance. You can be of assistance. :-) We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to participate in the web project. -- Ryan Platte _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -- Cosmin Stejerean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060326/a146511d/attachment.htm From jason at hostedlabs.com Sun Mar 26 11:35:17 2006 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (jason at hostedlabs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:35:17 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909173FB94@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg Message-ID: <51b33ff90038fc70faef83220be5c1d7@localhost> So, just throwing this out there, but could this be a cross-community project (Python, PHP, Perl, etc.). I ams sure there is no lack of hosting but I would offer space on my servers for it if it were a broader community thing.. or maybe just make it available to other communities for use? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:53:59 -0500, "Peter K Chan" wrote: > I think the separate mailing list is a good idea too. Please keep me > filled in. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter > > > > ________________________________ > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > Cosmin Stejerean > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:03 PM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > > I am interested in participating in this as well. I think Ryan has a > good point about creating a separate mailing list so we don't crowd > everyone's inbox with project related info. > > Cosmin > > On 3/25/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > > On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: >> Do let me know if I can be of assistance. > > You can be of assistance. :-) > > We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and > will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. > > Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to > participate in the web project. > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > > > From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 15:50:32 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:50:32 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <51b33ff90038fc70faef83220be5c1d7@localhost> References: <51b33ff90038fc70faef83220be5c1d7@localhost> Message-ID: <507da57a0603261250x28cd5920hfa407649ed6e5e2a@mail.gmail.com> personally i have no problems with anyone using it, but i think it should be in rails or some form of ruby... -colin On 3/26/06, jason at hostedlabs.com wrote: > > So, just throwing this out there, but could this be a cross-community project (Python, PHP, Perl, etc.). > > I ams sure there is no lack of hosting but I would offer space on my servers for it if it were a broader community thing.. > > or maybe just make it available to other communities for use? > > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:53:59 -0500, "Peter K Chan" wrote: > > I think the separate mailing list is a good idea too. Please keep me > > filled in. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > > Cosmin Stejerean > > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:03 PM > > To: Chirb discussion list > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > > > > > > I am interested in participating in this as well. I think Ryan has a > > good point about creating a separate mailing list so we don't crowd > > everyone's inbox with project related info. > > > > Cosmin > > > > On 3/25/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > > > > On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > >> Do let me know if I can be of assistance. > > > > You can be of assistance. :-) > > > > We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and > > will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. > > > > Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to > > participate in the web project. > > > > -- > > Ryan Platte > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cosmin Stejerean > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From ryan at platte.name Mon Mar 27 06:58:15 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:58:15 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <51b33ff90038fc70faef83220be5c1d7@localhost> References: <51b33ff90038fc70faef83220be5c1d7@localhost> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603270358s11fbeb23s37b545c9525a5148@mail.gmail.com> On 3/26/06, jason at hostedlabs.com wrote: > > So, just throwing this out there, but could this be a cross-community project (Python, PHP, Perl, etc.). I think it would be kinda silly to do our site in PHP or mod_perl or something. > I ams sure there is no lack of hosting but I would offer space on my servers for it if it were a broader community thing.. "No lack of hosting" is right, TextDrive is donating a hosting account for us. > or maybe just make it available to other communities for use? Looks like we're going to build on the Uger project, which is GPL. I'll create the list ASAP, probably at our new digs @ chirb.org. -- Ryan Platte From peter at oaktop.com Mon Mar 27 20:58:32 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Hi Jason, I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't know of any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know of any JPerl and JPHP. :) I absolutely agree with you that the project should be made available to other communities. Instead of hosting web space, would you be able to provide a development environment of sort? Perhaps a staging server or an integration server? (If not, I can avail my little server too). Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of jason at hostedlabs.com Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:35 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? So, just throwing this out there, but could this be a cross-community project (Python, PHP, Perl, etc.). I ams sure there is no lack of hosting but I would offer space on my servers for it if it were a broader community thing.. or maybe just make it available to other communities for use? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:53:59 -0500, "Peter K Chan" wrote: > I think the separate mailing list is a good idea too. Please keep me > filled in. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter > > > > ________________________________ > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > Cosmin Stejerean > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:03 PM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > > I am interested in participating in this as well. I think Ryan has a > good point about creating a separate mailing list so we don't crowd > everyone's inbox with project related info. > > Cosmin > > On 3/25/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > > On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: >> Do let me know if I can be of assistance. > > You can be of assistance. :-) > > We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and > will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. > > Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to > participate in the web project. > > -- > Ryan Platte > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > > > _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Mar 27 22:13:33 2006 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (jason at hostedlabs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:13:33 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90911491AD@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg Message-ID: <1e33d649a0a190f94b0e97b725ce1a4f@localhost> Hey Peter! Yeah, it's not a real pretty or easy thing right now with each language going the app server route (Rails, Zope, Tomcat, etc.). I had been kicking around the idea of getting the major LAMP stack languages (PHP, Perl, Python and Ruby) all running in one apache daemon as modules and leveraging a common app framework (session, auth, logger, etc.).. I know most people would not be interested in giving up their app servers but I thought it would be a neat experiment. I currently go seamlessly between PHP and Perl, using a common app framework. I thought Python and Ruby could be added easily enough.. ah well.. At any rate, I would be glad to offer some space for a dev or staging environment. A good way to get to know Ruby ;-) -jason On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:58:32 -0500, "Peter K Chan" wrote: > Hi Jason, > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't > know of any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know of any > JPerl and JPHP. :) > I absolutely agree with you that the project should be made > available to other communities. > Instead of hosting web space, would you be able to provide a > development environment of sort? Perhaps a staging server or an > integration server? (If not, I can avail my little server too). > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > jason at hostedlabs.com > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:35 AM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > So, just throwing this out there, but could this be a cross-community > project (Python, PHP, Perl, etc.). > > I ams sure there is no lack of hosting but I would offer space on my > servers for it if it were a broader community thing.. > > or maybe just make it available to other communities for use? > > > On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:53:59 -0500, "Peter K Chan" > wrote: >> I think the separate mailing list is a good idea too. Please keep me >> filled in. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org >> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of >> Cosmin Stejerean >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:03 PM >> To: Chirb discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? >> >> >> >> I am interested in participating in this as well. I think Ryan has a >> good point about creating a separate mailing list so we don't crowd >> everyone's inbox with project related info. >> >> Cosmin >> >> On 3/25/06, Ryan Platte wrote: >> >> On 3/22/06, Peter K Chan wrote: >>> Do let me know if I can be of assistance. >> >> You can be of assistance. :-) >> >> We're working out the details of getting this thing off the ground and > >> will hopefully have some more info in the next few days. >> >> Perhaps we should have a separate list for those who want to >> participate in the web project. >> >> -- >> Ryan Platte >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cosmin Stejerean >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From ehs at pobox.com Tue Mar 28 09:58:29 2006 From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:58:29 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97FC0982-0C7A-46F0-B16C-BC0060CBB9DF@pobox.com> On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > Hi Jason, > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't > know of any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know > of any > JPerl and JPHP. :) A nice way to interoperate between languages is by developing a good web services API. I imagine having a nice web services api is in the cards anyhow. It might even be worthwhile looking at the atom- publishing-protocol. //Ed From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Tue Mar 28 10:08:19 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:08:19 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: +1 for web service api :) Nola J. Stowe Systems Programmer Thornton Tomasetti 14 E. Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1100 Chicago, IL 60604 T 312.596.2000 F 312.596.2001 D 312.596.2248 NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward Summers [mailto:ehs at pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:58 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > Hi Jason, > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't know of > any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know of > any JPerl and JPHP. :) A nice way to interoperate between languages is by developing a good web services API. I imagine having a nice web services api is in the cards anyhow. It might even be worthwhile looking at the atom- publishing-protocol. //Ed _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this message. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 12:22:18 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:22:18 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507da57a0603280922m33e45bc2vfaf1a6965aca24d8@mail.gmail.com> +2 for a web service api.... our tagline will be...An event planner for the REST of us.... i wonder if it's too early for my puns.... -colin On 3/28/06, Stowe, Nola wrote: > +1 for web service api :) > > > Nola J. Stowe > Systems Programmer > Thornton Tomasetti > 14 E. Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1100 > Chicago, IL 60604 > T 312.596.2000 F 312.596.2001 > D 312.596.2248 > NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward Summers [mailto:ehs at pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:58 AM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't know of > > > any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know of > > any JPerl and JPHP. :) > > A nice way to interoperate between languages is by developing a good web > services API. I imagine having a nice web services api is in the cards > anyhow. It might even be worthwhile looking at the atom- > publishing-protocol. > > //Ed > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > The information in this email and any attachments may contain > confidential information that is intended solely for the > attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or > any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or > retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. > If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender > immediately, and delete this message. > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From rubygroup at johnwlong.com Tue Mar 28 12:43:57 2006 From: rubygroup at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603270358s11fbeb23s37b545c9525a5148@mail.gmail.com> References: <51b33ff90038fc70faef83220be5c1d7@localhost> <2f1a1dcb0603270358s11fbeb23s37b545c9525a5148@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442975DD.20308@johnwlong.com> I'd be glad to contribute the code used for the Snakes and Rubies event if anyone is interested in that. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From peter at oaktop.com Tue Mar 28 19:38:48 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Hi Ed, Interesting concept. I don't have a clear picture of how the requirement would work. Would you (or anyone else) be willing to work on the client side and push for any necessary service API exposure? Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Edward Summers Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:58 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > Hi Jason, > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't > know of any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know > of any > JPerl and JPHP. :) A nice way to interoperate between languages is by developing a good web services API. I imagine having a nice web services api is in the cards anyhow. It might even be worthwhile looking at the atom- publishing-protocol. //Ed _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From peter at oaktop.com Tue Mar 28 19:35:34 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Hi John, That would be great! I took some inspiration from your Ruby and Snake web site when I designed Uger. I would love to take a look at your code and see if there are any other ideas on RSVP that I can "borrow" from you. :) Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of John W. Long Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:44 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? I'd be glad to contribute the code used for the Snakes and Rubies event if anyone is interested in that. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From cstejerean at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 21:38:29 2006 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:38:29 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <276266d0603281838l7e89a9e8g98921e312db36f0e@mail.gmail.com> Why don't we start with the requirements? What does this website need to do? Some obvious ones include - a list of upcoming events - let people RSVP for the event (do they need to be registered first?) - show a list of how many people and who in particular have RSVP'd Yes/No/Maybe Writing an application in Rails to do the above is trivial (it will take longer to do the design than the actual app). What was the reason we wanted to move away from Meetup in the first place? Cosmin Stejerean On 3/28/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > > Hi Ed, > Interesting concept. I don't have a clear picture of how the > requirement would work. Would you (or anyone else) be willing to work on > the client side and push for any necessary service API exposure? > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > Edward Summers > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:58 AM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't > > know of any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know > > of any > > JPerl and JPHP. :) > > A nice way to interoperate between languages is by developing a good > web services API. I imagine having a nice web services api is in the > cards anyhow. It might even be worthwhile looking at the atom- > publishing-protocol. > > //Ed > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060328/72b5fba5/attachment.htm From ehs at pobox.com Tue Mar 28 21:44:25 2006 From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:44:25 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> On Mar 28, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > Interesting concept. I don't have a clear picture of how the > requirement would work. Would you (or anyone else) be willing to > work on > the client side and push for any necessary service API exposure? Sure, I imagine we could largely duplicate a subset of upcoming.org's API: http://upcoming.org/services/api/#Methods The 'auth' and 'event' methods might be a good place to start. It will help that REST and Rails are a natural combination [1]. //Ed [1] http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2005/11/02/rest-on-rails.html From rubygroup at johnwlong.com Tue Mar 28 21:51:43 2006 From: rubygroup at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:43 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4429F63F.8040305@johnwlong.com> Peter K Chan wrote: > That would be great! I took some inspiration from your Ruby and > Snake web site when I designed Uger. I would love to take a look at your > code and see if there are any other ideas on RSVP that I can "borrow" > from you. :) There ya go: http://wiseheartdesign.com/svn/chicagorubygroup/ BTW, Ruby-Forge now supports subversion repositories. I'd recommend that we host the repository for this project with them. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 22:25:18 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:25:18 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <276266d0603281838l7e89a9e8g98921e312db36f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <276266d0603281838l7e89a9e8g98921e312db36f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507da57a0603281925v4fa8ff52i98107f4b523112f2@mail.gmail.com> money was the main issue.. meetup wasn't free.... On 3/28/06, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > Why don't we start with the requirements? What does this website need to do? > Some obvious ones include > - a list of upcoming events > - let people RSVP for the event (do they need to be registered first?) > - show a list of how many people and who in particular have RSVP'd > Yes/No/Maybe > > Writing an application in Rails to do the above is trivial (it will take > longer to do the design than the actual app). > What was the reason we wanted to move away from Meetup in the first place? > > Cosmin Stejerean > > > On 3/28/06, Peter K Chan wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > Interesting concept. I don't have a clear picture of how the > > requirement would work. Would you (or anyone else) be willing to work on > > the client side and push for any necessary service API exposure? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > > [mailto: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] > On Behalf Of > > Edward Summers > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:58 AM > > To: Chirb discussion list > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Peter K Chan wrote: > > > > > Hi Jason, > > > I love the spirit of multi-language development, but I don't > > > know of any way of having a single web app that accommodates multiple > > > languages. Perhaps JRuby on JVM could work, but then I don't know > > > of any > > > JPerl and JPHP. :) > > > > A nice way to interoperate between languages is by developing a good > > web services API. I imagine having a nice web services api is in the > > cards anyhow. It might even be worthwhile looking at the atom- > > publishing-protocol. > > > > //Ed > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > From splaestro at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 22:27:05 2006 From: splaestro at gmail.com (Brian C Young) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:27:05 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <276266d0603281838l7e89a9e8g98921e312db36f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <276266d0603281838l7e89a9e8g98921e312db36f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4429FE89.1050305@gmail.com> Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > Why don't we start with the requirements? What does this website need > to do? Some obvious ones include > - a list of upcoming events > - let people RSVP for the event (do they need to be registered first?) > - show a list of how many people and who in particular have RSVP'd > Yes/No/Maybe > > Writing an application in Rails to do the above is trivial (it will > take longer to do the design than the actual app). > What was the reason we wanted to move away from Meetup in the first place? > Hear, hear. Requirements good. Web services API maybe not of first importance. Why move away from Meetup: 1) It costs money ($15/month? Trivial if you ask people to pitch in at each meeting, but something of a hassle for the organizers) 2) It's not implemented in Rails. ;) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian C. Young ?...the depth of human sinfulness is expressed in the way in which human beings deceive themselves into believing that the defense of, or commitment to, their own people requires the harm of other people.? --Duane K. Friesen From cstejerean at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 00:32:11 2006 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <4429FE89.1050305@gmail.com> References: <276266d0603281838l7e89a9e8g98921e312db36f0e@mail.gmail.com> <4429FE89.1050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <276266d0603282132o6df0397qc072eccaeac745f6@mail.gmail.com> 15 dollars a month is definitely not expensive, if it wouldn't be for the fact that we can build something better I would say it is not worth the effort. I have some ideas for the requirements but before we begin, I was wondering if we made any progress towards a mailing list for this effort. - Cosmin Stejerean On 3/28/06, Brian C Young wrote: > > Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > > Why don't we start with the requirements? What does this website need > > to do? Some obvious ones include > > - a list of upcoming events > > - let people RSVP for the event (do they need to be registered first?) > > - show a list of how many people and who in particular have RSVP'd > > Yes/No/Maybe > > > > Writing an application in Rails to do the above is trivial (it will > > take longer to do the design than the actual app). > > What was the reason we wanted to move away from Meetup in the first > place? > > > Hear, hear. Requirements good. Web services API maybe not of first > importance. > > Why move away from Meetup: > > 1) It costs money ($15/month? Trivial if you ask people to pitch in at > each meeting, but something of a hassle for the organizers) > > 2) It's not implemented in Rails. ;) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Brian C. Young > > "...the depth of human sinfulness is expressed in the way in which human > beings deceive themselves into believing that the defense of, or > commitment to, their own people requires the harm of other people." > --Duane K. Friesen > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20060328/4b4c1503/attachment.htm From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 29 08:00:00 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:00:00 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] New website devel list Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603290500mcd3bb00ib71bf451150ff78f@mail.gmail.com> The website at lists.chirb.org mailing list is now available. Please direct all discussion of developing chirb.org to that list. All are invited to listen in and take part. You can subscribe by visiting: http://lists.chirb.org/mailman/listinfo/website See you there! -- Ryan Platte Chirb From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 29 08:23:49 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:23:49 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] New website devel list In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603290500mcd3bb00ib71bf451150ff78f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603290500mcd3bb00ib71bf451150ff78f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603290523rdb82d4en848d789ffecfa6a@mail.gmail.com> Argh, hold that thought. Apparently there's a glitch in the part of the email system wherein email is sent...making a "mailing list" that sends "mail" to a "list" rather untenable at the moment. As you were... On 3/29/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > The website at lists.chirb.org mailing list is now available. Please > direct all discussion of developing chirb.org to that list. All are > invited to listen in and take part. > > You can subscribe by visiting: > > http://lists.chirb.org/mailman/listinfo/website > > See you there! > > -- > Ryan Platte > Chirb > -- Ryan Platte From rubygroup at johnwlong.com Wed Mar 29 09:22:38 2006 From: rubygroup at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:22:38 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> References: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> Message-ID: <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> Edward Summers wrote: > The 'auth' and 'event' methods might be a good place to start. It > will help that REST and Rails are a natural combination [1]. > > [1] http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2005/11/02/rest-on-rails.html Rails 1.1 just added a couple of features would make this much easier than the above article details. For example, ActiveRecord objects now have a native #to_xml method and there is also some fancy stuffy for examining request headers to see if they are XML requests. See: http://jamis.jamisbuck.org/articles/2006/03/27/web-services-rails-style -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From ehs at pobox.com Wed Mar 29 09:54:04 2006 From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:54:04 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> References: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <44CE8BEA-A9D3-422F-9414-51D9FC54AB4C@pobox.com> On Mar 29, 2006, at 8:22 AM, John W. Long wrote: > Rails 1.1 just added a couple of features would make this much easier > than the above article details. > > For example, ActiveRecord objects now have a native #to_xml method and > there is also some fancy stuffy for examining request headers to > see if > they are XML requests. See: > > http://jamis.jamisbuck.org/articles/2006/03/27/web-services-rails- > style Sweet, thanks for the heads up John! //Ed From qzzzq1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 10:27:30 2006 From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:27:30 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> References: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <507da57a0603290727x6295d2fel422d09a88b170b70@mail.gmail.com> beat me to the punch john... but since textdrive is hosting us, would we have to rely on the version they have? -colin On 3/29/06, John W. Long wrote: > Edward Summers wrote: > > The 'auth' and 'event' methods might be a good place to start. It > > will help that REST and Rails are a natural combination [1]. > > > > [1] http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2005/11/02/rest-on-rails.html > > Rails 1.1 just added a couple of features would make this much easier > than the above article details. > > For example, ActiveRecord objects now have a native #to_xml method and > there is also some fancy stuffy for examining request headers to see if > they are XML requests. See: > > http://jamis.jamisbuck.org/articles/2006/03/27/web-services-rails-style > > -- > John Long > http://wiseheartdesign.com > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 29 10:32:15 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:32:15 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <507da57a0603290727x6295d2fel422d09a88b170b70@mail.gmail.com> References: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> <507da57a0603290727x6295d2fel422d09a88b170b70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603290732w244e33d8o6bbe0420d007e306@mail.gmail.com> No. Worst case, we could install Rails into vendor/. On 3/29/06, colin h wrote: > beat me to the punch john... but since textdrive is hosting us, would > we have to rely on the version they have? > > -colin > > On 3/29/06, John W. Long wrote: > > Edward Summers wrote: > > > The 'auth' and 'event' methods might be a good place to start. It > > > will help that REST and Rails are a natural combination [1]. > > > > > > [1] http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2005/11/02/rest-on-rails.html > > > > Rails 1.1 just added a couple of features would make this much easier > > than the above article details. > > > > For example, ActiveRecord objects now have a native #to_xml method and > > there is also some fancy stuffy for examining request headers to see if > > they are XML requests. See: > > > > http://jamis.jamisbuck.org/articles/2006/03/27/web-services-rails-style > > > > -- > > John Long > > http://wiseheartdesign.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -- Ryan Platte From rubygroup at johnwlong.com Wed Mar 29 10:42:47 2006 From: rubygroup at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? In-Reply-To: <507da57a0603290727x6295d2fel422d09a88b170b70@mail.gmail.com> References: <34CBC101-6416-485E-A46F-DDAF5C2B2FFB@pobox.com> <442A982E.2060403@johnwlong.com> <507da57a0603290727x6295d2fel422d09a88b170b70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <442AAAF7.1040101@johnwlong.com> colin h wrote: > beat me to the punch john... but since textdrive is hosting us, would > we have to rely on the version they have? No. You can always put a copy of the version of rails that you want to use in the "vendor" directory and your app will use that if it exists. But TextDrive did just upgrade their gems so you can now use both 1.0 and 1.1 on their servers. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From ryan at platte.name Wed Mar 29 11:01:25 2006 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:01:25 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] New website devel list In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603290523rdb82d4en848d789ffecfa6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f1a1dcb0603290500mcd3bb00ib71bf451150ff78f@mail.gmail.com> <2f1a1dcb0603290523rdb82d4en848d789ffecfa6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603290801q5124e16bodb41e9f01d0d3ecd@mail.gmail.com> OK, it's working now. Once more, with feeling: The website at lists.chirb.org mailing list is now available. Please direct all discussion of developing chirb.org to that list. All are invited to listen in and take part. You can subscribe by visiting: http://lists.chirb.org/mailman/listinfo/website See you there! -- Ryan Platte Chirb On 3/29/06, Ryan Platte wrote: > Argh, hold that thought. Apparently there's a glitch in the part of > the email system wherein email is sent...making a "mailing list" that > sends "mail" to a "list" rather untenable at the moment. > > As you were... -- Ryan Platte From peter at oaktop.com Wed Mar 29 12:12:12 2006 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:12:12 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Message-ID: Thanks, John! I suggest that we take this great discussion onto the website list. Ryan set up the list at http://lists.chirb.org/mailman/listinfo/website Assuming that we will be using Uger, I will post a list of features of what Uger does now, so we don't end up reinventing the wheel. It will be posted tomorrow morning (so people have a chance to subscribe). If you are eager, you can see Uger live now at: http://www.cjug.org/uger/ (source: http://svn.oaktop.com/Uger/trunk/). Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of John W. Long Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:52 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] Meetup replacement? Peter K Chan wrote: > That would be great! I took some inspiration from your Ruby and > Snake web site when I designed Uger. I would love to take a look at your > code and see if there are any other ideas on RSVP that I can "borrow" > from you. :) There ya go: http://wiseheartdesign.com/svn/chicagorubygroup/ BTW, Ruby-Forge now supports subversion repositories. I'd recommend that we host the repository for this project with them. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list