From andy at petdance.com Mon Apr 2 15:24:52 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:24:52 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Headcount of 36 for tonight's meeting Message-ID: I see 36 people so far on the RSVP list of http://www.chirb.org/event/ show/14. You guys get a good turnout! I think this will be a fun night. It's always better to speak to a big crowd. I'm bringing someone last-minute, name of Mike Wagner, so please add him to whatever list so we can get past security. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com Mon Apr 2 18:05:59 2007 From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Headcount of 36 for tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Will do. Josh Cronemeyer chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/02/2007 02:24:52 PM: > I see 36 people so far on the RSVP list of http://www.chirb.org/event/ > show/14. You guys get a good turnout! I think this will be a fun > night. It's always better to speak to a big crowd. > > I'm bringing someone last-minute, name of Mike Wagner, so please add > him to whatever list so we can get past security. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070402/794fb392/attachment.html From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 18:56:15 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:56:15 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord Message-ID: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. Just tossing it out there. Chris From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com Wed Apr 4 22:26:27 2007 From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nothing is set in stone for the next meeting. Faisal Vali has been talking for some time about a talk on the ruby language itself. I know he has been playing around with the ruby interpreter... I had suggested doing some ruby quizes becuase actual coding has been absent from the meetings for some time. Also Rolf Russell has been talking about doing a CC.rb demo. Maybe we can throw some of these small topics together into one meeting. Anyone game? Any ideas or preferences? Josh Cronemeyer chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 05:56:15 PM: > Hi All, > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > Just tossing it out there. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070404/c298699e/attachment.html From micah at 8thlight.com Wed Apr 4 23:04:30 2007 From: micah at 8thlight.com (Micah Martin) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:04:30 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> I'd be happy to present a session on Finite State Machines and the statemachine ruby gem. State machines are a handy tool that every programmer should have in their belt. The statemachine gem makes them a breeze to create. State machines are particularly useful for ajax rich UI's. Micah On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > Nothing is set in stone for the next meeting. Faisal Vali has been > talking for some time about a talk on the ruby language itself. I > know he has been playing around with the ruby interpreter... I had > suggested doing some ruby quizes becuase actual coding has been > absent from the meetings for some time. Also Rolf Russell has been > talking about doing a CC.rb demo. Maybe we can throw some of these > small topics together into one meeting. Anyone game? Any ideas or > preferences? > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 > 05:56:15 PM: > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next > month? I > > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > > > Just tossing it out there. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security > System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070404/00f99cb1/attachment-0001.html From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 23:12:00 2007 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43e95380704042012t56f4ab44w853819fcd01d4b64@mail.gmail.com> code code code!!! On 4/4/07, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > > Nothing is set in stone for the next meeting. Faisal Vali has been > talking for some time about a talk on the ruby language itself. I know he > has been playing around with the ruby interpreter... I had suggested doing > some ruby quizes becuase actual coding has been absent from the meetings for > some time. Also Rolf Russell has been talking about doing a CC.rb demo. > Maybe we can throw some of these small topics together into one meeting. > Anyone game? Any ideas or preferences? > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 > 05:56:15 PM: > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > > > Just tossing it out there. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070404/11d22523/attachment.html From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 23:22:32 2007 From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:22:32 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> References: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> Message-ID: <72799cd70704042022w42475402l77cc3422bb1b81dc@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Micah Martin wrote: > I'd be happy to present a session on Finite State Machines and the > statemachine ruby gem. State machines are a handy tool that every > programmer should have in their belt. The statemachine gem makes them a > breeze to create. State machines are particularly useful for ajax rich > UI's. Wow. Please consider making your materials available online for us lurkers who live a long way away or can't make it to the shindig. I'd always thought of state machines as an artifact of intellect, not code, so I'll be installing this gem forthwith. For those who might be interested in Harry Robinson's "Model Based Testing", state machines are the heart and soul of his approach to software testing. http://googletesting.blogspot.com/2007/03/developer-testertester-developer-summit.html From peter at oaktop.com Wed Apr 4 23:47:06 2007 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:47:06 -0400 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record specifically. What about Active Record would you like to hear about? Anything in particular that doesn't relate to Rails? Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Chris McAvoy Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:56 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord Hi All, Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. Just tossing it out there. Chris _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 00:05:35 2007 From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:05:35 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <72799cd70704042105l24bb2152na6ef5e95e335e6e4@mail.gmail.com> ActiveRecord is interesting, but I was referring to state machines. They're similar, though, in that they are both fairly obscure constructions that have come to the forefront of important approaches to software: the Active Record design pattern is a critical aspect of Rails; state machines are a critical aspect of Model Based Testing. Sometimes I wish I were still passing through Chicago! :) On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > Chris, > This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails > presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record > specifically. > > What about Active Record would you like to hear about? Anything > in particular that doesn't relate to Rails? > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > Chris McAvoy > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:56 PM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord > > Hi All, > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > Just tossing it out there. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From peter at oaktop.com Thu Apr 5 00:35:40 2007 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:35:40 -0400 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <72799cd70704042105l24bb2152na6ef5e95e335e6e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> <72799cd70704042105l24bb2152na6ef5e95e335e6e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Chris McMahon, I should have been more clear in addressing Chris McAvoy (I was going to refer to you as Chris M, but you even share the last initial!). :^) I agree though, that state machines are interesting. I for one would like to see a presentation on that as well. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Chris McMahon Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] ActiveRecord ActiveRecord is interesting, but I was referring to state machines. They're similar, though, in that they are both fairly obscure constructions that have come to the forefront of important approaches to software: the Active Record design pattern is a critical aspect of Rails; state machines are a critical aspect of Model Based Testing. Sometimes I wish I were still passing through Chicago! :) On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > Chris, > This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails > presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record > specifically. > > What about Active Record would you like to hear about? Anything > in particular that doesn't relate to Rails? > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > Chris McAvoy > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:56 PM > To: Chirb discussion list > Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord > > Hi All, > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > Just tossing it out there. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com Thu Apr 5 00:45:51 2007 From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <72799cd70704042105l24bb2152na6ef5e95e335e6e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ack, namespace collision. Peter, you should have used the FQN. Chris McMahon is talking about finite state machine. Chris McAvoy is talking about active record. Both topics sound like prime stuff for May's Chirb. What we have to do here is figure out what makes the cut. I wish there was a good way to get a real sampling of what people want to see. So often it seems like a few of us active on the mailing list decide. Ah well. Somebody has to do it ;) Possible Sessions: -Finite State gem -ActiveRecord -Ruby Internals (Faisal's talk) -Code! Code! Code! (thank you nola) -CC.rb demo I vote for the following: Code! + Ruby Internals + CC.rb Both the CC.rb and Ruby Internals should be pretty short and I think that will leave us with an hour for Code! Josh Cronemeyer chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 11:05:35 PM: > ActiveRecord is interesting, but I was referring to state machines. > > They're similar, though, in that they are both fairly obscure > constructions that have come to the forefront of important approaches > to software: the Active Record design pattern is a critical aspect of > Rails; state machines are a critical aspect of Model Based Testing. > > Sometimes I wish I were still passing through Chicago! :) > > > On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > > Chris, > > This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails > > presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record > > specifically. > > > > What about Active Record would you like to hear about? Anything > > in particular that doesn't relate to Rails? > > > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > > Chris McAvoy > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:56 PM > > To: Chirb discussion list > > Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord > > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? 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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070404/b60eff26/attachment-0001.html From peter at oaktop.com Thu Apr 5 01:19:55 2007 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 01:19:55 -0400 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: <72799cd70704042105l24bb2152na6ef5e95e335e6e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, 7 of com.thoughtworks.cronemeyer.josh. ;) A few months ago, when I was presenting on Starfish, there was some interest in hearing about DRb. Is there still such an interest? (if so, someone please speak up). Peter ________________________________________ From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:46 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: Re: [Chirb] ActiveRecord Ack, namespace collision. ?Peter, you should have used the FQN. ?Chris McMahon is talking about finite state machine. ?Chris McAvoy is talking about active record. ?Both topics sound like prime stuff for May's Chirb. ?What we have to do here is figure out what makes the cut. ?I wish there was a good way to get a real sampling of what people want to see. ?So often it seems like a few of us active on the mailing list decide. ?Ah well. ?Somebody has to do it ;) Possible Sessions: -Finite State gem -ActiveRecord -Ruby Internals (Faisal's talk) -Code! Code! Code! (thank you nola) -CC.rb demo I vote for the following: Code! + Ruby Internals + CC.rb Both the CC.rb and Ruby Internals should be pretty short and I think that will leave us with an hour for Code! Josh Cronemeyer chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 11:05:35 PM: > ActiveRecord is interesting, but I was referring to state machines. > > They're similar, though, in that they are both fairly obscure > constructions that have come to the forefront of important approaches > to software: ?the Active Record design pattern is a critical aspect of > Rails; state machines are a critical aspect of Model Based Testing. > > Sometimes I wish I were still passing through Chicago! ?:) > > > On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > > Chris, > > ? ? ? ? This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails > > presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record > > specifically. > > > > ? ? ? ? What about Active Record would you like to hear about? Anything > > in particular that doesn't relate to Rails? > > > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > > Chris McAvoy > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:56 PM > > To: Chirb discussion list > > Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord > > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? ?I > > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > > > Just tossing it out there. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 01:43:40 2007 From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:43:40 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> <72799cd70704042105l24bb2152na6ef5e95e335e6e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <72799cd70704042243k29ee1209pa9ffe80b1e42d7b3@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > Sorry, Chris McMahon, I should have been more clear in addressing Chris > McAvoy (I was going to refer to you as Chris M, but you even share the > last initial!). :^) > > I agree though, that state machines are interesting. I for one would > like to see a presentation on that as well. I'm usually lurking, cuz I'm a long way from Chicago, but state machines and software test design are a big, big focus for me right now, so I wanted to encourage Mr. Martin to make his materials available if at all possible. Sorry if I disrupted the discourse... -Chris From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:47:24 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:47:24 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0704050447o1ebfbac0v444cfa850c32b69e@mail.gmail.com> Oh man... On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > Chris, > This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails > presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record > specifically. I said ActiveRecord six times in there...huh? I meant ActiveResource. I'm specifically interested in this new DHH, Dave Thomas et al idea of building web services first, and having your HTML hit the web service. If anyone has implemented this sort of idea, or is a big proponent of it, I'd be interested in hearing about it. This post http://pragdave.pragprog.com/pragdave/2007/03/the_radar_archi.html got my wheels turning, I just realized that the ActiveResource documentation is kind of sparse. Sorry for the confusion. I'm pretty comfortable with ActiveRecord. Chris From sarah at fabled.net Thu Apr 5 08:51:18 2007 From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:51:18 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4614F0C6.1090004@fabled.net> Another way to do the deciding would be a survey on chirb -- folks could just click and "vote", much like they do on, say, the great pulse-taking sites of the nation like, um, aol... "How often do you feel drowsy while driving?" () Often () Sometimes () Rarely Good stuff! Now, imagine that said something like: "What's your first choice for May?" () ActiveRecord () Ruby Internals () Finite State Gem () Sanjaya Malakar... just a thought! Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > Ack, namespace collision. Peter, you should have used the FQN. Chris > McMahon is talking about finite state machine. Chris McAvoy is > talking about active record. Both topics sound like prime stuff for > May's Chirb. What we have to do here is figure out what makes the > cut. I wish there was a good way to get a real sampling of what > people want to see. So often it seems like a few of us active on the > mailing list decide. Ah well. Somebody has to do it ;) > > Possible Sessions: > > -Finite State gem > -ActiveRecord > -Ruby Internals (Faisal's talk) > -Code! Code! Code! (thank you nola) > -CC.rb demo > > > I vote for the following: > Code! + Ruby Internals + CC.rb > Both the CC.rb and Ruby Internals should be pretty short and I think > that will leave us with an hour for Code! > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 > 11:05:35 PM: > > > ActiveRecord is interesting, but I was referring to state machines. > > > > They're similar, though, in that they are both fairly obscure > > constructions that have come to the forefront of important approaches > > to software: the Active Record design pattern is a critical aspect of > > Rails; state machines are a critical aspect of Model Based Testing. > > > > Sometimes I wish I were still passing through Chicago! :) > > > > > > On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: > > > Chris, > > > This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails > > > presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record > > > specifically. > > > > > > What about Active Record would you like to hear about? > Anything > > > in particular that doesn't relate to Rails? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org > > > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of > > > Chris McAvoy > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:56 PM > > > To: Chirb discussion list > > > Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > > > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > > > > > Just tossing it out there. > > > > > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070405/e12641f9/attachment.html From michael at niessner.joyent.net Thu Apr 5 00:43:43 2007 From: michael at niessner.joyent.net (Michael Niessner) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> References: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> Message-ID: <2926122C-82EE-44F9-909A-A284151A8899@niessner.joyent.net> I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would be a great speaker. Michael On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Micah Martin wrote: > I'd be happy to present a session on Finite State Machines and the > statemachine ruby gem. State machines are a handy tool that every > programmer should have in their belt. The statemachine gem makes > them a breeze to create. State machines are particularly useful > for ajax rich UI's. > > Micah > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > >> >> Nothing is set in stone for the next meeting. Faisal Vali has >> been talking for some time about a talk on the ruby language >> itself. I know he has been playing around with the ruby >> interpreter... I had suggested doing some ruby quizes becuase >> actual coding has been absent from the meetings for some time. >> Also Rolf Russell has been talking about doing a CC.rb demo. >> Maybe we can throw some of these small topics together into one >> meeting. Anyone game? Any ideas or preferences? >> >> Josh Cronemeyer >> >> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on >> 04/04/2007 05:56:15 PM: >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next >> month? I >> > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. >> > >> > Just tossing it out there. >> > >> > Chris >> > _______________________________________________ >> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list >> > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security >> System. >> > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> > >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> _______________________________________________ >> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070404/4ebc6077/attachment-0001.html From dchelimsky at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 10:56:43 2007 From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:56:43 +0000 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <2926122C-82EE-44F9-909A-A284151A8899@niessner.joyent.net> References: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> <2926122C-82EE-44F9-909A-A284151A8899@niessner.joyent.net> Message-ID: <57c63afe0704050756i67191c86x7aa4b77fb8d2becf@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/07, Michael Niessner wrote: > I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would be a great > speaker. +1 This is a favorite topic of Micah's and I'm sure we'd all learn quite a bit. I'm particularly interested in learning about how to use the statemachine gem to clean up ajax UI's. David > > Michael > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Micah Martin wrote: > I'd be happy to present a session on Finite State Machines and the > statemachine ruby gem. State machines are a handy tool that every > programmer should have in their belt. The statemachine gem makes them a > breeze to create. State machines are particularly useful for ajax rich > UI's. > > > Micah > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > Nothing is set in stone for the next meeting. Faisal Vali has been talking > for some time about a talk on the ruby language itself. I know he has been > playing around with the ruby interpreter... I had suggested doing some ruby > quizes becuase actual coding has been absent from the meetings for some > time. Also Rolf Russell has been talking about doing a CC.rb demo. Maybe > we can throw some of these small topics together into one meeting. Anyone > game? Any ideas or preferences? > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on > 04/04/2007 05:56:15 PM: > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > > > Just tossing it out there. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit > http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From ryan at platte.name Thu Apr 5 11:06:27 2007 From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:06:27 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> References: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0704050806p20df030dk86117980d74c2cf0@mail.gmail.com> FSM is a really interesting topic I'd love to hear Micah's take on firsthand. I'm also interested in the ActiveResource thing, though -- two different people sent me links to this library that implements it on the client side: http://giantrobots.thoughtbot.com/2007/4/2/jester-javascriptian-rest Which presents an interesting twist on coding Ajax. On 4/4/07, Micah Martin < micah at 8thlight.com> wrote: > > I'd be happy to present a session on Finite State Machines and the > statemachine ruby gem. State machines are a handy tool that every > programmer should have in their belt. The statemachine gem makes them a > breeze to create. State machines are particularly useful for ajax rich > UI's. > > Micah > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > > Nothing is set in stone for the next meeting. Faisal Vali has been > talking for some time about a talk on the ruby language itself. I know he > has been playing around with the ruby interpreter... I had suggested doing > some ruby quizes becuase actual coding has been absent from the meetings for > some time. Also Rolf Russell has been talking about doing a CC.rb demo. > Maybe we can throw some of these small topics together into one meeting. > Anyone game? Any ideas or preferences? > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/04/2007 > 05:56:15 PM: > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone available to do an ActiveRecord presentation next month? I > > think there's talks already lined up...but I'm not sure. > > > > Just tossing it out there. > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -- Ryan Platte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070405/f2c7c5ef/attachment.html From cremes.devlist at mac.com Thu Apr 5 11:49:38 2007 From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (cremes.devlist at mac.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:49:38 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0704050756i67191c86x7aa4b77fb8d2becf@mail.gmail.com> References: <18426625-F6E9-44B0-BB1D-6BD021DA1CF8@8thlight.com> <2926122C-82EE-44F9-909A-A284151A8899@niessner.joyent.net> <57c63afe0704050756i67191c86x7aa4b77fb8d2becf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E121CB0-EB78-44C4-99A7-C8025C6ADF17@mac.com> On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:56 AM, David Chelimsky wrote: > On 4/5/07, Michael Niessner wrote: >> I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would >> be a great >> speaker. > > +1 > > This is a favorite topic of Micah's and I'm sure we'd all learn quite > a bit. I'm particularly interested in learning about how to use the > statemachine gem to clean up ajax UI's. ++ I have recently grown very interested in FSMs and would love to hear more about how they pertain to AJAX UIs. cr From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com Fri Apr 6 11:52:29 2007 From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:52:29 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <7E121CB0-EB78-44C4-99A7-C8025C6ADF17@mac.com> Message-ID: Micah, Were you offering to give this presentation in May? Our meeting will be Monday May 7th, at 6:30pm. How much time should we budget for the talk? Will there be a coding portion? :) Thanks Josh Cronemeyer chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/05/2007 10:49:38 AM: > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:56 AM, David Chelimsky wrote: > > > On 4/5/07, Michael Niessner wrote: > >> I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would > >> be a great > >> speaker. > > > > +1 > > > > This is a favorite topic of Micah's and I'm sure we'd all learn quite > > a bit. I'm particularly interested in learning about how to use the > > statemachine gem to clean up ajax UI's. > > ++ > > I have recently grown very interested in FSMs and would love to hear > more about how they pertain to AJAX UIs. > > cr > > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070406/df63c8f5/attachment-0001.html From micah at 8thlight.com Fri Apr 6 12:21:31 2007 From: micah at 8thlight.com (Micah Martin) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:21:31 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30AC9639-ED3B-496D-9F61-2349DC698E1D@8thlight.com> Sure, I'll do it on May 7th. 2 hours would be a good amount of time and I can definitely accommodate some coding. Micah On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > Micah, > > Were you offering to give this presentation in May? Our meeting > will be Monday May 7th, at 6:30pm. How much time should we budget > for the talk? Will there be a coding portion? :) > > Thanks > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/05/2007 > 10:49:38 AM: > > > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:56 AM, David Chelimsky wrote: > > > > > On 4/5/07, Michael Niessner wrote: > > >> I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would > > >> be a great > > >> speaker. > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > This is a favorite topic of Micah's and I'm sure we'd all learn > quite > > > a bit. I'm particularly interested in learning about how to use > the > > > statemachine gem to clean up ajax UI's. > > > > ++ > > > > I have recently grown very interested in FSMs and would love to hear > > more about how they pertain to AJAX UIs. > > > > cr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security > System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070406/f7434a0d/attachment.html From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com Fri Apr 6 12:44:32 2007 From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <30AC9639-ED3B-496D-9F61-2349DC698E1D@8thlight.com> Message-ID: On that note then I'm going to put the meeting up on chirb.org. Could you email me your full name, a short description of your presentation and any other info you want to show up on the website? Looking forward to your presentation! Josh Cronemeyer chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/06/2007 11:21:31 AM: > Sure, I'll do it on May 7th. 2 hours would be a good amount of time > and I can definitely accommodate some coding. > > Micah > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > > Micah, > > Were you offering to give this presentation in May? Our meeting will > be Monday May 7th, at 6:30pm. How much time should we budget for the > talk? Will there be a coding portion? :) > > Thanks > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/05/2007 10:49:38 AM: > > > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:56 AM, David Chelimsky wrote: > > > > > On 4/5/07, Michael Niessner wrote: > > >> I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would > > >> be a great > > >> speaker. > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > This is a favorite topic of Micah's and I'm sure we'd all learn quite > > > a bit. I'm particularly interested in learning about how to use the > > > statemachine gem to clean up ajax UI's. > > > > ++ > > > > I have recently grown very interested in FSMs and would love to hear > > more about how they pertain to AJAX UIs. > > > > cr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070406/adab9084/attachment.html From RRussell at thoughtworks.com Fri Apr 6 19:35:09 2007 From: RRussell at thoughtworks.com (Rolf Russell) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Rolf Russell is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 04/06/2007 and will not return until 04/24/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com Sat Apr 7 21:02:05 2007 From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:02:05 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Peter Chan is famous! Message-ID: http://ruby.meetup.com/cities/us/il/oak_brook/2454867/?ic=sn42 Josh Cronemeyer ----- Forwarded by Josh Cronemeyer/US/ThoughtWorks on 04/07/2007 08:01 PM ----- Josh Cronemeyer/US/ThoughtWorks wrote on 04/06/2007 11:44:32 AM: > On that note then I'm going to put the meeting up on chirb.org. Could > you email me your full name, a short description of your presentation > and any other info you want to show up on the website? Looking > forward to your presentation! > > Josh Cronemeyer > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/06/2007 11:21:31 AM: > > > Sure, I'll do it on May 7th. 2 hours would be a good amount of time > > and I can definitely accommodate some coding. > > > > Micah > > > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote: > > > > > > Micah, > > > > Were you offering to give this presentation in May? Our meeting will > > be Monday May 7th, at 6:30pm. How much time should we budget for the > > talk? Will there be a coding portion? :) > > > > Thanks > > > > Josh Cronemeyer > > > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 04/05/2007 > 10:49:38 AM: > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:56 AM, David Chelimsky wrote: > > > > > > > On 4/5/07, Michael Niessner wrote: > > > >> I think we should take Micah up on his offer to present. He would > > > >> be a great > > > >> speaker. > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > This is a favorite topic of Micah's and I'm sure we'd all learn quite > > > > a bit. I'm particularly interested in learning about how to use the > > > > statemachine gem to clean up ajax UI's. > > > > > > ++ > > > > > > I have recently grown very interested in FSMs and would love to hear > > > more about how they pertain to AJAX UIs. > > > > > > cr > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can transfer to another person by April 17th. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/rails/ The cost is $745 .. which I'd like soon as possible so I could pay my old boss back. Its possible I could also transfer the hotel (Red Lion, 1 block from Conf) also, but am first offering to the person who was going to stay with me Any takers? (Hope its ok to post this sort of thing on list, sorry if not appropriate!) -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070408/4c1f009c/attachment.html From peter at oaktop.com Sun Apr 8 10:19:41 2007 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Chirb] Peter Chan is famous! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For a moment, you got me excited, Josh. :) And then I found out that there is this page, and now I don't feel very special anymore... http://ruby.meetup.com/cities/us/il/chicago/?from=loc_pick Peter ________________________________________ From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:02 PM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] Peter Chan is famous! http://ruby.meetup.com/cities/us/il/oak_brook/2454867/?ic=sn42 Josh Cronemeyer ----- Forwarded by Josh Cronemeyer/US/ThoughtWorks on 04/07/2007 08:01 PM ----- From peter at oaktop.com Sun Apr 8 10:22:31 2007 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Chirb] ical for the group In-Reply-To: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> References: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Shouldn't be too difficult. It would probably take about 3 hours, 2 of which would be reading specification. I have been meaning to add iCal to Uger, but using the same concept as the current AutoMapper (i.e.scan for dates from incoming link and generate iCal). However, that is more involved and I haven't found the time to do it. Want to submit a patch for Uger? ;-) Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Scott Althoff Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:32 AM To: Chirb discussion list Subject: [Chirb] ical for the group I was going through the chirb website trying to find a ical for the events list, but I couldn't find one. How hard would it be to add one? Scott _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From ianb at colorstudy.com Sun Apr 8 11:58:30 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:58:30 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ical for the group In-Reply-To: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> References: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46191126.4090708@colorstudy.com> Scott Althoff wrote: > I was going through the chirb website trying to find a ical for the > events list, but I couldn't find one. How hard would it be to add > one? hCalendar is much more hip: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar Plus it's probably super-easy to add to the existing app. Then there's services that convert it to ical. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From scott.althoff at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 14:40:53 2007 From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:40:53 -0600 Subject: [Chirb] ical for the group In-Reply-To: <46191126.4090708@colorstudy.com> References: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> <46191126.4090708@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <46be9d20704081140l34a8df5bs82fc910125559906@mail.gmail.com> Does google calendar and airset support hCalendar? On 4/8/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > Scott Althoff wrote: > > I was going through the chirb website trying to find a ical for the > > events list, but I couldn't find one. How hard would it be to add > > one? > > hCalendar is much more hip: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar > > Plus it's probably super-easy to add to the existing app. Then there's > services that convert it to ical. > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > From ianb at colorstudy.com Sun Apr 8 18:42:16 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:42:16 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ical for the group In-Reply-To: <46be9d20704081140l34a8df5bs82fc910125559906@mail.gmail.com> References: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> <46191126.4090708@colorstudy.com> <46be9d20704081140l34a8df5bs82fc910125559906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46196FC8.9050507@colorstudy.com> Scott Althoff wrote: > Does google calendar and airset support hCalendar? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. However, if you can point those at a URI, then you can use something like http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/hcalendar/get-cal.php?uri={whatever} (Or any other conversion service) -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From ianb at colorstudy.com Sun Apr 8 18:46:51 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:46:51 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ActiveRecord In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704050447o1ebfbac0v444cfa850c32b69e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704041556x4cfa9401q143b31c9bb5e2a0e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0704050447o1ebfbac0v444cfa850c32b69e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <461970DB.9020207@colorstudy.com> Chris McAvoy wrote: > Oh man... > > On 4/4/07, Peter K Chan wrote: >> Chris, >> This is interesting. I hear people asking for Rails >> presentation, but I haven't heard of people asking Active Record >> specifically. > > I said ActiveRecord six times in there...huh? I meant ActiveResource. > > I'm specifically interested in this new DHH, Dave Thomas et al idea of > building web services first, and having your HTML hit the web service. > If anyone has implemented this sort of idea, or is a big proponent of > it, I'd be interested in hearing about it. This post > http://pragdave.pragprog.com/pragdave/2007/03/the_radar_archi.html got > my wheels turning, I just realized that the ActiveResource > documentation is kind of sparse. Incidentally, but with no relation to ActiveResource, we're getting ready to deploy a service like this. In particular the UI is complicated and probably warrants more than a single implementation (e.g., a beginner and an advanced implementation). It's also interesting to me because with UI it's nice to be able to experiment on real data -- assuming the service preserves data integrity, you can point in-development UI to that service and try it out for real. Anyway, I've described the API at http://codespeak.net/svn/z3/deliverance/DeliveranceVHoster/trunk/docs/rest-api.txt Though just as I think about it, I think I need to add a versioning system of some sort to the API. Probably something like: POST /.deliverance/create_version and then allow the version to be selected through a cookie (for preview) or a custom header (for the API), or maybe through a path addition (e.g., where all the API is normally available at /.deliverance, this would add /.deliverance/versions/X.Y/). If at a URI, I suppose you could just allow MKCOL /.deliverance/versions/X.Y. Somewhat annoyingly to me, there's no good HTTP verb for listing a collection. GET /.deliverance/versions/ could return lots of things -- a serialization of the configuration of *all* the versions, or just an HTML index page, or an automatic HTML listing, or some new format (XML, JSON, ...?) that lists the items more formally. I suppose you could use the Accept header to select what you wanted, or maybe some query string parameter (GET versions/?format=json&data=links, or ?format=xml&data=full, etc). Design-wise, I wrote out the API before implementing any of it, and I didn't really think about implementation until afterwards. Personally I think this is better, as the API should describe what's being controlled, not the comparatively less important software that's presenting the API itself. In this sense I find ActiveResource a little too opinionated; but I've never really tried to use it, so I don't really know. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From ken at nika.com Mon Apr 9 08:22:38 2007 From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:22:38 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] ical for the group In-Reply-To: <46196FC8.9050507@colorstudy.com> References: <46be9d20704080532u6bfd53d4ga3f0834e3c7da027@mail.gmail.com> <46191126.4090708@colorstudy.com> <46be9d20704081140l34a8df5bs82fc910125559906@mail.gmail.com> <46196FC8.9050507@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: +1 on hCal Seems it'd then be dead simple for anybody to snarf that into an Apple iCal, GoogleCalender , etc, that somebody could publish for anybody in the group to subscribe to. On 4/8/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > > Scott Althoff wrote: > > Does google calendar and airset support hCalendar? > > I'm not sure, but I don't think so. However, if you can point those at > a URI, then you can use something like > > http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/hcalendar/get-cal.php?uri={whatever} > > (Or any other conversion service) > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers > _______________________________________________ > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070409/1f610f52/attachment-0001.html From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 11:25:58 2007 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Rails Conf 2007 Ticket Available! In-Reply-To: <43e95380704080555i767b773an837fc495566e30a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <43e95380704080555i767b773an837fc495566e30a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43e95380704090825t42523d2ap88babd21d4de6cea@mail.gmail.com> If there are no takers, I will be canceling it by 3pm today! :) On 4/8/07, Nola Stowe wrote: > > I got a perl gig, so I feel like I need to concentrate on perl right now > (yeah yeah yeah.. I *tried* to get a ruby job! thats ok, I think Perl is > cool too!) > > I have a ticket to Rails Conf 2007 in Portland ... I can transfer to > another person by April 17th. > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/rails/ > > The cost is $745 .. which I'd like soon as possible so I could pay my old > boss back. > > Its possible I could also transfer the hotel (Red Lion, 1 block from Conf) > also, but am first offering to the person who was going to stay with me > > Any takers? > > (Hope its ok to post this sort of thing on list, sorry if not > appropriate!) > > -- > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/attachments/20070409/910ae3fb/attachment.html From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 14:06:34 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Fwd: [Chicago] Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP not necessary Message-ID: <3096c19d0704121106g462436bar4296e1b35a7b835a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the last minute notice folks, but I wanted to let you know that ChiPy, the Chicago Python Users Group, is meeting tonight at Google downtown. RSVP's are not necessary this late in the game. Again, sorry about the late notice. Chris On 4/10/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Chicago Python User Group > ========================= > Location > -------- > > Google's Chicago office > 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor > Chicago, IL 60610 Also, we'll have food (not pizza this time tho). It won't be a dinner, but something hot and hors d'ouvre-y. -Fitz _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 14:08:20 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] Fwd: Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP not needed Message-ID: <3096c19d0704121108q5ad9a034u679dc0f4ad9ded04@mail.gmail.com> I'm totally awesome today. I just forwarded everyone the wrong email. Attached is all the info you'll need to get where you'll need to go. Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris McAvoy Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:50 AM Subject: Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP encouraged To: The Chicago Python Users Group Chicago Python User Group ========================= Come join us for our best meeting ever! Please send an RSVP to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject "RSVP Chipy." Distribute this email as you see fit. Topics ------ * PyPy (Atul Varma) * Boo (Feihong Hsu) * Fellowship (You) Location -------- Google's Chicago office 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor Chicago, IL 60610 Location description: "18 story glass and steel building on the Northeast corner of Dearborn and Kinzie." "Across the street from Harry Carey's" "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant" * Map Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's restaurant and Keefer's cafe. Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building. 1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk from Google) 2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus) 3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza. () ;-) 4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier. Obtain security clearance before landing. About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Apr 23 14:10:47 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] BARcamp - Chicago 2007 Message-ID: <462CF6A7.4020000@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! BARcamp - Chicago 2007 is in the planning stages now, shooting for June, and I wanted to reach out to everyone and give an update and ask for help. Last years BARcamp was a big success, thanks to most of you on the list here and all the people that showed up and contributed. I have been getting pings from lots of people over the last few months about the next one and based on community feedback I am expecting it to be at least twice the size of last years. I picked up a few ideas from attending Yahoo's HackDay and a few other events. Also, I believe Chicago's Web2.0 Beta Meetup for the month of June will happen at BARcamp. Other user groups are welcome to hold meetings there (just not all at the same time) to get broader community involvement. It may be a good place to have a beginners intro to your language as part of the meeting. Where we are at: ---------------- The search for the venue is on! This is the biggest hurdle. Last year the community came through in a big way for everything else but we have to have a place to make it happen. What We Need: ------------- A VENUE! 1) 5000+ sq/ft (last year was 2600ish I think?).. 2) 72 full hours access, Friday evening to Monday morning (last year I finished cleaning up at 06:30am Monday morning) 3) A shower would be great. AC is a must. NOTE: June should be cooler than last year ;-) 4) No serious noise constraints (last year was quiet enough but still would have disturbed sleeping neighbors) 5) Close-ish to downtown Chicago or L stop. 6) Internet access.. somehow.. What We Have: ------------- 1) Insurance 2) A reasonable budget to pay for the facility for the weekend 3) Equipment, sundries, volunteers and enthusiasm ;-) What Can You Do: ---------------- Help in any form is welcome. 1) Help find a venue, send me names, phone numbers, addresses.. anything you can think of to help find a space. 2) Blog, post, link, forward the email, spread the word. The wiki isn't live yet, but will be coming on-line shortly: http://barcampchicago.com/ 3) Sponsorship - just like last year, not asking for a lot, no set fees, no admission to attend so its all volunteer and sponsor driven. 4) Give a talk - we had some great presentations last year. This year we may have a start-up competition and some more organized hack-jams/code-sprints. 5) Show up!.. everyone is welcome if you are interested in technology and the community here in Chicago. Well, thats it for now. Feel free to email me or give me a call if you have any ideas, suggestions or questions! -jason jason at hostedlabs.com 847.208.1000 From peter at oaktop.com Mon Apr 23 18:21:51 2007 From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:21:51 -0400 Subject: [Chirb] BARcamp - Chicago 2007 In-Reply-To: <462CF6A7.4020000@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: Jason, Good to see that the preparation for BarCamp is heating up. I should be in Chicago in June. I am not too good with coordinational tasks, but at the very least, I should be able to volunteer for the logistics. I will keep an eye on the update and jump in to help. Peter -----Original Message----- From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Jason Rexilius Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:11 PM To: chiphpug-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; chicago-talk at pm.org; chicago at python.org; chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org; lug at chicagolug.org; chicagobeta at gmail.com; info at barcampchicago.com Subject: [Chirb] BARcamp - Chicago 2007 Hi Everyone! BARcamp - Chicago 2007 is in the planning stages now, shooting for June, and I wanted to reach out to everyone and give an update and ask for help. Last years BARcamp was a big success, thanks to most of you on the list here and all the people that showed up and contributed. I have been getting pings from lots of people over the last few months about the next one and based on community feedback I am expecting it to be at least twice the size of last years. I picked up a few ideas from attending Yahoo's HackDay and a few other events. Also, I believe Chicago's Web2.0 Beta Meetup for the month of June will happen at BARcamp. Other user groups are welcome to hold meetings there (just not all at the same time) to get broader community involvement. It may be a good place to have a beginners intro to your language as part of the meeting. Where we are at: ---------------- The search for the venue is on! This is the biggest hurdle. Last year the community came through in a big way for everything else but we have to have a place to make it happen. What We Need: ------------- A VENUE! 1) 5000+ sq/ft (last year was 2600ish I think?).. 2) 72 full hours access, Friday evening to Monday morning (last year I finished cleaning up at 06:30am Monday morning) 3) A shower would be great. AC is a must. NOTE: June should be cooler than last year ;-) 4) No serious noise constraints (last year was quiet enough but still would have disturbed sleeping neighbors) 5) Close-ish to downtown Chicago or L stop. 6) Internet access.. somehow.. What We Have: ------------- 1) Insurance 2) A reasonable budget to pay for the facility for the weekend 3) Equipment, sundries, volunteers and enthusiasm ;-) What Can You Do: ---------------- Help in any form is welcome. 1) Help find a venue, send me names, phone numbers, addresses.. anything you can think of to help find a space. 2) Blog, post, link, forward the email, spread the word. The wiki isn't live yet, but will be coming on-line shortly: http://barcampchicago.com/ 3) Sponsorship - just like last year, not asking for a lot, no set fees, no admission to attend so its all volunteer and sponsor driven. 4) Give a talk - we had some great presentations last year. This year we may have a start-up competition and some more organized hack-jams/code-sprints. 5) Show up!.. everyone is welcome if you are interested in technology and the community here in Chicago. Well, thats it for now. Feel free to email me or give me a call if you have any ideas, suggestions or questions! -jason jason at hostedlabs.com 847.208.1000 _______________________________________________ ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list From jason at hostedlabs.com Fri Apr 27 13:03:25 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:03:25 -0500 Subject: [Chirb] BARcamp Chicago - 2007 Update Message-ID: <46322CDD.6070009@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! It looks like we have a venue selected for this years BARcamp! Working out last details but its in the Wicker Park neighborhood and should be quite roomy. Also has a shower.. The wiki is live and people can sign up now. http://www.barcampchicago.com/ Last years has been archived off to http://2006.barcampchicago.com/ --------------------- Just in case some of you are new to this BARcamp thing, it is a 60 hour tech conference/hack jam/demo fest etc. It started in SF and has spread around the world. Last year Chicago had its first BARcamp. Now its time for the next! ---------------------- Now we are looking for sponsors, presentation ideas, demo's, code sprints and people to volunteer to bring stuff. !! A small group is meeting tonight at the Clybourn Goose Island to hack through some planning. Anyone who has time and is interested in helping out is welcome to come by. The website will have more details and please let me know if you can help out! Looking forward to another rockin' year in the Chicago tech community and hope to see you all there! -jason