From peter at oaktop.com  Thu Feb  1 03:18:46 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 03:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Mike, why don't you pick a date? :)

If someone second, I will post it to the site.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Mangino
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:18 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup

So when's the next one? I'm definitely interested for next week!

Mike

On Jan 31, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> Thanks for everyone who came to last night's Rails meetup. We have 6
> people who showed up (plus a 7th who couldn't quite make it). There  
> were
> some good discussions about ActiveRecord too.
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

--
Mike Mangino
http://www.elevatedrails.com



_______________________________________________
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From ryan at platte.name  Sat Feb  3 18:23:08 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:08 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RailsConf discount
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0702031523r3235dd9bkb2353622a16f2dbc@mail.gmail.com>

Chirbers,

I got the following message from O'Reilly User Groups:

Use code "rc07usrg" when you register and receive 15% off
the early registration price.

To register for the conference, go to:
<http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/51/register.html>


-- 
Ryan Platte
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From cameron at theworkinggroup.ca  Mon Feb  5 00:09:35 2007
From: cameron at theworkinggroup.ca (Cameron Booth)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 23:09:35 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] parking near thoughtworks
Message-ID: <68D76F94-EAAD-452A-9D12-00544A689122@theworkinggroup.ca>

Hey everybody,

It's so damn cold that I have to admit the thought of walking to the  
L, then sitting on a cold train, then walking to the meeting just  
sounds freezing. And I'm a Canadian!!

Anybody know if there is parking nearby the Aon Center that is  
somewhat affordable?

Thanks!

Cameron

From sean.seanlynch at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 09:57:11 2007
From: sean.seanlynch at gmail.com (Sean Lynch)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:57:11 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] parking near thoughtworks
In-Reply-To: <68D76F94-EAAD-452A-9D12-00544A689122@theworkinggroup.ca>
References: <68D76F94-EAAD-452A-9D12-00544A689122@theworkinggroup.ca>
Message-ID: <40651cc90702050657r4d765627xb34d211b2062a894@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/4/07, Cameron Booth <cameron at theworkinggroup.ca> wrote:
> Hey everybody,
>
> It's so damn cold that I have to admit the thought of walking to the
> L, then sitting on a cold train, then walking to the meeting just
> sounds freezing. And I'm a Canadian!!
>
> Anybody know if there is parking nearby the Aon Center that is
> somewhat affordable?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cameron
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
The Millenium Park and Monroe Street parking garages are just accross
Randolph, South of the Aon building. You may find metered parking on
lower Randolph or lower lower Randolph as people leave spaces when
they leave work. There might be a chance to get a spot on upper
Randolph or upper Columbus, but that is rare.

There are a few private garages North of Randolph and South of the
River that should have parking, but the City garages are probably
cheaper.

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb  5 13:45:15 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:45:15 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] parking near thoughtworks
In-Reply-To: <68D76F94-EAAD-452A-9D12-00544A689122@theworkinggroup.ca>
Message-ID: <OF00254C02.99A28B5B-ON86257279.0063DA5F-86257279.0067BB2C@thoughtworks.com>

I can usually find metered parking on stetson.  Basically if you are going 
east on lake you run into stetson just after michigan.  Turn right on 
stetson and you are good.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/04/2007 
11:09:35 PM:

> Hey everybody,
> 
> It's so damn cold that I have to admit the thought of walking to the 
> L, then sitting on a cold train, then walking to the meeting just 
> sounds freezing. And I'm a Canadian!!
> 
> Anybody know if there is parking nearby the Aon Center that is 
> somewhat affordable?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cameron
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb  5 14:20:44 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:20:44 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Tonight's meeting.
Message-ID: <OFA8421831.AF7C3152-ON86257279.00675D27-86257279.006B2311@thoughtworks.com>

It is 1:15 PM  I am entering all the RSVPs (currently 37 yes, 3 maybe) 
into the AON security thingy.  If you aren't on the list but want to be it 
is too late to bother with the RSVP system.  Please send me email.

Last meeting I remember saying that I always forget something, well today 
I forgot my cell phone (GRR).  So if you need to talk to me, are lost, or 
having trouble with security please call 312 - 953 - 6028 instead of my 
usual.  Ask for Rainey.

Josh Cronemeyer
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 19:18:10 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:18:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Gotham Ruby Conference : Call For Proposals
Message-ID: <43e95380702051618k4b044251m7cc64ffec147b2d7@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone interested? I found flights to NY for $130 through
http://flights.info.com

Call for speakers as well!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown at gmail.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: [ANN] Gotham Ruby Conference : Call For Proposals
To: ruby-talk ML <ruby-talk at ruby-lang.org>


Gotham Ruby Conference, a one-day, single-track event in New York City
dedicated to everything Ruby, is now accepting proposal papers.  This
conference will be held on Saturday, April 21st in the Chelsea
headquarters of Google, our hosts for the day.

The conference highlights six select speakers from the Ruby world,
three of whom will be Rubyists from the Tri-State area (New York, New
Jersey and Connecticut), and will also have a round of lightning
talks. We invite anyone who can make their way to New York City on
4/21 to submit a proposal as this will be a premier event in one of
the greatest cities of the world. All track speakers will be provided
a free attendance to the event and an honorarium. Speakers from
outside the region will also be provided up to a $200 travel
reimbursement.

A good proposal paper will include:
* A explanation or outline of your talk.
* A short biographical statement about you and your involvement in the
Ruby community.

Your proposal does not need to be long, but it should give us the
information necessary to evaluate your talk.

Please send all papers to papers <at> goruco <dot> com by 12:00 AM EST
on March 1st.  You should receive confirmation that we have received
your proposal within 48 hours of submitting it.

If you have any questions about the proposal process or other
conference related questions, please email info <at> goruco <dot> com.
More information on the conference itself to come. Check the
conference website and subscribe to the RSS feed for updates.

Sincerely,

The Organizers
Gotham Ruby Conference
April 21, 2007 - New York, NY
_______________________________________________
gotham-ruby-conference mailing list
gotham-ruby-conference at lists.stonecode.org
http://lists.stonecode.org/listinfo.cgi/gotham-ruby-conference-stonecode.org

From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb  6 06:54:59 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141597@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Hi All,
	Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
source files on my site. You can download them at:

http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/

	Also, just to clarify about the prime number program: during the
talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was
working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.

Thanks,

Peter

From ken at nika.com  Tue Feb  6 10:19:26 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:19:26 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141597@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141597@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <777989F8-5973-4E47-9D94-9CE194C2BDA9@nika.com>

Thanks, Peter.

Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only  
the even prime numbers.  That's the only set that I can bio-optically  
verify as it streams by on the screen.  ;-)

Seriously, thanks for the presentation!

- Ken


On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
> source files on my site. You can download them at:
>
> http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
>
> 	Also, just to clarify about the prime number program: during the
> talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was
> working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Feb  6 10:37:08 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:37:08 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Capistrano Files
Message-ID: <406d2d610702060737i5fdeca4egb4299d7a393ba643@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Thanks to all who came to the meeting last night!  I've fixed a couple
inaccuracies in the presentation and put some *very* simple example
Capistrano configuration files on the web page:

http://www.cosinewave.net/ruby/cap

See you next month! :)

--Michael

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Tue Feb  6 10:57:34 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <777989F8-5973-4E47-9D94-9CE194C2BDA9@nika.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141597@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<777989F8-5973-4E47-9D94-9CE194C2BDA9@nika.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0702060757pca27c89h7d0a577fb46d0667@mail.gmail.com>

2
done!

On 2/6/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Peter.
>
> Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only
> the even prime numbers.  That's the only set that I can bio-optically
> verify as it streams by on the screen.  ;-)
>
> Seriously, thanks for the presentation!
>
> - Ken
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >       Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
> > source files on my site. You can download them at:
> >
> > http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
> >
> >       Also, just to clarify about the prime number program: during the
> > talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was
> > working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 11:05:45 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:05:45 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Capistrano Tip
Message-ID: <507da57a0702060805v38bfce60xf01ee4472092f600@mail.gmail.com>

thanks everyone for their presentations last night.  just thought i
would pass along a capistrano tip that saved me a lot of problems with
the database.yml file.

http://www.jvoorhis.com/articles/2006/07/07/managing-database-yml-with-capistrano

also, i didn't find the security at the AON building to be a problem
at all.  I also thought their new offices were quite nice, so, for
what it's worth, i vote to keep the meetings at thoughtworks.

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 11:08:19 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:08:19 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <777989F8-5973-4E47-9D94-9CE194C2BDA9@nika.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141597@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<777989F8-5973-4E47-9D94-9CE194C2BDA9@nika.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702060808n4172567bh641c6fa0639b0fd@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter and Michael!

For those that missed it, I wrote up a bit on my blog

http://www.rubygeek.com/2007/02/06/feb-ruby-meeting-report-capistrano-and-starfish/

(if I am wrong in anything, please correct me)


On 2/6/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Peter.
>
> Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only
> the even prime numbers.  That's the only set that I can bio-optically
> verify as it streams by on the screen.  ;-)
>
> Seriously, thanks for the presentation!
>
> - Ken
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >       Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
> > source files on my site. You can download them at:
> >
> > http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
> >
> >       Also, just to clarify about the prime number program: during the
> > talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was
> > working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


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http://CodeSnipers.com

From cstejerean at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 11:28:02 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:28:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
Message-ID: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
problem to begin with).

Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
consistent.

Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.

Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
the votes and make the final decision.

Regards,

Cosmin Stejerean

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Tue Feb  6 11:48:57 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:48:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0702060848k13aa25bbt7cc6398963022da9@mail.gmail.com>

AGAINST regular meetings at Thoughtworks

On 2/6/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> problem to begin with).
>
> Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> consistent.
>
> Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
>
> Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> the votes and make the final decision.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From sean.seanlynch at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 11:57:23 2007
From: sean.seanlynch at gmail.com (Sean Lynch)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:57:23 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40651cc90702060857l1cd641d8k631abf59e36aadb0@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/6/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> problem to begin with).
>
> Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> consistent.
>
> Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
>
> Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> the votes and make the final decision.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

FOR

Thought works is fine with me. I was about a block away from Aon last
night. Still at work!

We were altering tables in our test region last night and had
scheduled to do it after hours to minimize the impact. On days when I
am free It will be an easy walk for me to attend.

Sean

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 11:58:09 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:58:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702060858m7915107cub61314cad941346d@mail.gmail.com>

The Python group meets regularly at different locations which is nice
because it gives people more flexibility with travel. I may attend
when its in the loop, but not necessarily when its a bit south. Its
nice they move around a bit.

I see no problem with different meeting places -- just keep it the
same day.  Its nice to move around a bit and give people different
transportation options.. and also keeps the host from tiring (though I
don't think this is an issue with TW at all)

Some of you guys are making such a HUGE deal about this... its just a
meeting space... and some of you know how hard it is to get meeting
space downtown and should welcome any group who would like to host a
meeting, not to mention buy food and drinks!


On 2/6/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> problem to begin with).
>
> Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> consistent.
>
> Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
>
> Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> the votes and make the final decision.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From mike.sandler at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 12:11:52 2007
From: mike.sandler at gmail.com (Mike Sandler)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:11:52 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3aa6ece0702060911y1370b7d6iee6d96425812ae44@mail.gmail.com>

I vote AGAINST always meeting at ThoughtWorks.
Although the cold definitely makes it an even bigger problem, distance from
the 'L' and especially from the Metra station (which is my mode of travel)
makes it that much more difficult to attend.
I am very gratefull to the folks at ThoughtWorks for providing the space,
but I think variety in meeting spaces can only be a benefit.


On 2/6/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> problem to begin with).
>
> Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> consistent.
>
> Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
>
> Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> the votes and make the final decision.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  6 12:12:57 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:12:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0702060757pca27c89h7d0a577fb46d0667@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF5AE8CFCB.C5C657B1-ON8625727A.005E8FF3-8625727A.005EABB3@thoughtworks.com>

done!   (distributing that work to a second client)

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
09:57:34 AM:

> 2
> done!

> On 2/6/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Peter.
> 
> Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only
> the even prime numbers.  That's the only set that I can bio-optically
> verify as it streams by on the screen.  ;-)
> 
> Seriously, thanks for the presentation!
> 
> - Ken
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >       Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
> > source files on my site. You can download them at: 
> >
> > http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
> >
> >       Also, just to clarify about the prime number program: during the
> > talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was 
> > working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  6 12:49:51 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:49:51 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
Message-ID: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>

It is time to figure out the agenda for March and if we want, April too. 
We have some really great stuff lined up for the next meeting.  In fact we 
have too much stuff to fit into one meeting.  Looking at the list below I 
think we can have David and Troy present at the March meeting, and then 
the April meeting can emphasize some Ruby basics, and have a coding 
session.  What say you? 

-Troy's Memcached presentation (holdover from last meeting)
-David Chelimsky on TDD, BDD, and Rspec for Rails (test run for his 
RailsConf presentation)
-Faisal Vali's intro to the ruby programming language
-Ruby Quiz Interactive session

Josh Cronemeyer
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From michael.niessner at aventive.com  Tue Feb  6 12:52:00 2007
From: michael.niessner at aventive.com (Michael Niessner)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:52:00 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72B2F5D9-8894-4F41-92E6-5899EC4C87DF@aventive.com>

I am FOR having meetings at Thoughtworks each month.

I don't like the idea of rotating meeting spaces, it's just an  
additional detail to keep track of.

Michael

On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote:

> I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> problem to begin with).
>
> Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> consistent.
>
> Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
>
> Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> the votes and make the final decision.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  6 12:58:58 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF463189F4.EFD3ED23-ON8625727A.006200C5-8625727A.00631661@thoughtworks.com>

FOR keeping it at ThoughtWorks.  I think a consistent location is a big 
part of building a solid community and having a consistently well attended 
meeting, although this vote seems to be based more on people's commute 
time than anthing else, which makes this an easy decision for me :)

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
10:28:02 AM:

> I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> problem to begin with).
> 
> Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> consistent.
> 
> Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
> 
> Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> the votes and make the final decision.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cosmin Stejerean
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From hubrix at hubrix.com  Tue Feb  6 13:22:48 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:22:48 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0702061022j35219eer2d7933dbb2870889@mail.gmail.com>

Any interest in talking about creative uses of method missing? I think rSpec
falls into that, I have some small things that would be usefull to show.
Anyone else?

On 2/6/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> It is time to figure out the agenda for March and if we want, April too.
>  We have some really great stuff lined up for the next meeting.  In fact we
> have too much stuff to fit into one meeting.  Looking at the list below I
> think we can have David and Troy present at the March meeting, and then the
> April meeting can emphasize some Ruby basics, and have a coding session.
>  What say you?
>
> -Troy's Memcached presentation (holdover from last meeting)
> -David Chelimsky on TDD, BDD, and Rspec for Rails (test run for his
> RailsConf presentation)
> -Faisal Vali's intro to the ruby programming language
> -Ruby Quiz Interactive session
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 13:23:15 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:23:15 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <72B2F5D9-8894-4F41-92E6-5899EC4C87DF@aventive.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
	<72B2F5D9-8894-4F41-92E6-5899EC4C87DF@aventive.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0702061023t2f4801a1tb8daa4b5cbcfd50d@mail.gmail.com>

I am FOR keeping it at thoughtworks...

i work in the west loop, so i just hop on the madison bus and it drops
me off a block and a half away.. and when leaving i walk the two
blocks to the brown line to get home..



On 2/6/07, Michael Niessner <michael.niessner at aventive.com> wrote:
> I am FOR having meetings at Thoughtworks each month.
>
> I don't like the idea of rotating meeting spaces, it's just an
> additional detail to keep track of.
>
> Michael
>
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote:
>
> > I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> > discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> > CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> > location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> > number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> > problem to begin with).
> >
> > Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> > ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> > showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> > the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> > likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> > additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> > locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> > consistent.
> >
> > Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> > vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> > matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> > regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
> >
> > Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> > the votes and make the final decision.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cosmin Stejerean
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  6 13:31:13 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <OF8F383F07.3A956186-ON8625727A.00655A5B-8625727A.0066474A@thoughtworks.com>

BTW, in talking to David I just realized he would like to make his 
presentation span the entire meeting.  In that case I am for giving him 
the whole April meeting (he promised some cool interactive stuff so we can 
all get down and code).

So for March do you think we can cram in the other 3?  Interested to hear 
some opinions and ideas on what to put in our next two meetings.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
11:49:51 AM:

> 
> It is time to figure out the agenda for March and if we want, April 
> too.  We have some really great stuff lined up for the next meeting. 
> In fact we have too much stuff to fit into one meeting.  Looking at 
> the list below I think we can have David and Troy present at the March
> meeting, and then the April meeting can emphasize some Ruby basics, 
> and have a coding session.  What say you? 
> 
> -Troy's Memcached presentation (holdover from last meeting) 
> -David Chelimsky on TDD, BDD, and Rspec for Rails (test run for his 
> RailsConf presentation) 
> -Faisal Vali's intro to the ruby programming language 
> -Ruby Quiz Interactive session 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer_______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From ken at nika.com  Tue Feb  6 13:32:25 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:32:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <OF5AE8CFCB.C5C657B1-ON8625727A.005E8FF3-8625727A.005EABB3@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF5AE8CFCB.C5C657B1-ON8625727A.005E8FF3-8625727A.005EABB3@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <DE09451D-B0BD-4CDF-A0A0-EB3069B16230@nika.com>

You see, that *was* much easier to verify, wasn't it?  ;-)

On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

>
> done!   (distributing that work to a second client)
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007  
> 09:57:34 AM:
>
> > 2
> > done!
>
> > On 2/6/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, Peter.
> >
> > Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only
> > the even prime numbers.  That's the only set that I can bio- 
> optically
> > verify as it streams by on the screen.  ;-)
> >
> > Seriously, thanks for the presentation!
> >
> > - Ken
> >
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >       Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my  
> Starfish
> > > source files on my site. You can download them at:
> > >
> > > http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
> > >
> > >       Also, just to clarify about the prime number program:  
> during the
> > > talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but  
> it was
> > > working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Peter
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From cameron at theworkinggroup.ca  Tue Feb  6 13:41:18 2007
From: cameron at theworkinggroup.ca (Cameron Booth)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:41:18 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] BarCamp Madison needs a Rails/Ruby presence!
Message-ID: <7AD47E70-2250-40FF-A96D-F8DC5EC3A993@theworkinggroup.ca>

Hey everybody,

I should have mentioned this last night, but it slipped my mind at  
the time. BarCamp Madison is coming up on March 3 & 4, up in Madison,  
WI, which is (I believe) just days before our next Chirb meeting.

For those who don't know, BarCamps are something of a tech "un- 
conference", where anybody is welcome, and the "cost" is  
participation. More info is available here:  http:// 
www.barcampmadison.com/

I'm planning on attending and (potentially) speaking about something  
Rails/Ruby related. It would be great to have other people attend  
with similar interests so we can share Ruby and Rails goodness with  
the uninitiated!

Look forward to seeing you there. Feel free to get in touch with me  
if you're thinking of going as well!

Cameron


ps. If you enjoy yourself at this one, or just can't make it, get  
ready for the much bigger BarCampUSA in the summer: http:// 
www.barcampusa.com/

From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 13:53:09 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0702061022j35219eer2d7933dbb2870889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>
	<e1112fd0702061022j35219eer2d7933dbb2870889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0702061053l46b62e5bt51bb73653bdef315@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/6/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> Any interest in talking about creative uses of method missing? I think rSpec
> falls into that,

Funny - actually rSpec falls more into "pitfalls of creative use of
method_missing" ;) I'd be glad to talk about that in the context of a
method_missing or general meta-programming discussion.

> I have some small things that would be usefull to show.
> Anyone else?
>
>
> On 2/6/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It is time to figure out the agenda for March and if we want, April too.
> We have some really great stuff lined up for the next meeting.  In fact we
> have too much stuff to fit into one meeting.  Looking at the list below I
> think we can have David and Troy present at the March meeting, and then the
> April meeting can emphasize some Ruby basics, and have a coding session.
> What say you?
> >
> > -Troy's Memcached presentation (holdover from last meeting)
> > -David Chelimsky on TDD, BDD, and Rspec for Rails (test run for his
> RailsConf presentation)
> > -Faisal Vali's intro to the ruby programming language
> > -Ruby Quiz Interactive session
> >
> > Josh Cronemeyer
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 13:55:11 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:55:11 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0702061023t2f4801a1tb8daa4b5cbcfd50d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <276266d0702060828m5eb5d7aev3ab802787e772503@mail.gmail.com>
	<72B2F5D9-8894-4F41-92E6-5899EC4C87DF@aventive.com>
	<507da57a0702061023t2f4801a1tb8daa4b5cbcfd50d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702061055i21ced549pb9b87d20398e4b88@mail.gmail.com>

Exactly ... One location is not going to be perfect for everyone..
which is why its is a good idea to move around a few locations. I'm
sure the location will be CLEARLY stated on the chirb site so nobody
has to complain they didn't know which location it to go to.

On 2/6/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am FOR keeping it at thoughtworks...
>
> i work in the west loop, so i just hop on the madison bus and it drops
> me off a block and a half away.. and when leaving i walk the two
> blocks to the brown line to get home..
>
>
>
> On 2/6/07, Michael Niessner <michael.niessner at aventive.com> wrote:
> > I am FOR having meetings at Thoughtworks each month.
> >
> > I don't like the idea of rotating meeting spaces, it's just an
> > additional detail to keep track of.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote:
> >
> > > I wanted to bring this topic up on the list as there was some
> > > discussion yesterday after the meeting about this. The folks from
> > > CashNet were not there to make their case for changing the meeting
> > > location and ThoughtWorks has solved the beer problem (although by the
> > > number of folks drinking beer yesterday I wouldn't say it was a
> > > problem to begin with).
> > >
> > > Having a consistent meeting location is important and the current
> > > ThoughtWorks location seems to work out fine for most people (41
> > > showed up last night). The only problem seemed to be the distance to
> > > the nearest L station which is a concern in this type of cold but that
> > > likely won't be an issue for long). Personally I would like to see
> > > additional meeting throughout the month hosted at various other
> > > locations, but I believe the main monthly meeting should remain
> > > consistent.
> > >
> > > Since we missed the chance to vote in person I'd say we attempt to
> > > vote on the mailing list. I ask the everyone with an interest in this
> > > matter please vote on this thread either FOR or AGAINST keeping the
> > > regular meeting at ThoughtWorks.
> > >
> > > Whoever is in charge of making a decision for the group can then count
> > > the votes and make the final decision.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Cosmin Stejerean
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


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From mbarton73 at comcast.net  Tue Feb  6 14:04:00 2007
From: mbarton73 at comcast.net (mbarton73 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:04:00 +0000
Subject: [Chirb] A vote in favor of keeping the meeting at ThoughtWorks
Message-ID: <020620071904.15496.45C8D1200008975100003C882205889116CCC902019B9D0E0D03@comcast.net>

My vote is FOR keeping the meeting at ThoughtWorks:
-- Having a regular time and place boosts attendance.  This is especially true if the meeting time/place is announced a few weeks in advance, as evidenced by the 40 people attending the February meeting.
-- Josh seems to have solved the building access issue, as long as people submit their names a day in advance. 
-- The ThoughtWorks meeting space is large, attractive, and even has public wi-fi.
-- I'm a suburbanite myself, but any suburban location is going to be inconvenient for the majority of suburbanites, since "the suburbs" is a very big place.
-- The new ThoughtWorks pizza is great!
-- Ok, I'll admit my private bias:  I happen to work in building where ThoughtWorks is located, just a few floors below their office, so it is super-convenient for me.

My thanks to ThoughtWorks for going to the trouble and expense of hosting this event monthly.
-Mark Barton


From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb  6 15:25:47 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Capistrano Files
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610702060737i5fdeca4egb4299d7a393ba643@mail.gmail.com>
References: <406d2d610702060737i5fdeca4egb4299d7a393ba643@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141667@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Thanks, Michael. I posted your presentation link to the Chirb event
page.

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/11

Peter

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From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Michael H Buselli
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:37 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: [Chirb] Capistrano Files

Hello,

Thanks to all who came to the meeting last night!  I've fixed a couple
inaccuracies in the presentation and put some *very* simple example
Capistrano configuration files on the web page:

http://www.cosinewave.net/ruby/cap

See you next month! :)

--Michael
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From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb  6 15:41:04 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <DE09451D-B0BD-4CDF-A0A0-EB3069B16230@nika.com>
References: <OF5AE8CFCB.C5C657B1-ON8625727A.005E8FF3-8625727A.005EABB3@thoughtworks.com>
	<DE09451D-B0BD-4CDF-A0A0-EB3069B16230@nika.com>
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Thanks, Ken.

Except that won't work, because 2 is actually an odd prime number.

You see, 2 is the only prime number that is even, so it is actually rather odd...

:O

Peter
________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Ken Pelletier
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:32 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files

You see, that *was* much easier to verify, wasn't it?? ;-)

On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:



done! ? (distributing that work to a second client) 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 09:57:34 AM:

> 2
> done!

> On 2/6/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote: 
> Thanks, Peter.
> 
> Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only
> the even prime numbers. ?That's the only set that I can bio-optically
> verify as it streams by on the screen. ?;-)
> 
> Seriously, thanks for the presentation!
> 
> - Ken
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > ? ? ? Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
> > source files on my site. You can download them at: 
> >
> > http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
> >
> > ? ? ? Also, just to clarify about the prime number program: during the
> > talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was 
> > working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
_______________________________________________
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From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb  6 16:34:53 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:53 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0702061022j35219eer2d7933dbb2870889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>
	<e1112fd0702061022j35219eer2d7933dbb2870889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141692@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Mark,
	I would be very interested in hearing more about the magic you can use method_missing for.

Peter
________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Mark Alexander Friedgan
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:23 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April

Any interest in talking about creative uses of method missing? I think rSpec falls into that, I have some small things that would be usefull to show. Anyone else?
On 2/6/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:

It is time to figure out the agenda for March and if we want, April too. ?We have some really great stuff lined up for the next meeting. ?In fact we have too much stuff to fit into one meeting. ?Looking at the list below I think we can have David and Troy present at the March meeting, and then the April meeting can emphasize some Ruby basics, and have a coding session. ?What say you? ? 

-Troy's Memcached presentation (holdover from last meeting) 
-David Chelimsky on TDD, BDD, and Rspec for Rails (test run for his RailsConf presentation) 
-Faisal Vali's intro to the ruby programming language 
-Ruby Quiz Interactive session 

Josh Cronemeyer
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From jperkins at sneer.org  Tue Feb  6 17:01:50 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:01:50 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF8F383F07.3A956186-ON8625727A.00655A5B-8625727A.0066474A@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF8F383F07.3A956186-ON8625727A.00655A5B-8625727A.0066474A@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <94FD4333-DA44-45B8-A6EF-1592ACF64D3F@sneer.org>


On Feb 6, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

>
> BTW, in talking to David I just realized he would like to make his  
> presentation span the entire meeting.  In that case I am for giving  
> him the whole April meeting (he promised some cool interactive  
> stuff so we can all get down and code).
>
> So for March do you think we can cram in the other 3?  Interested  
> to hear some opinions and ideas on what to put in our next two  
> meetings.

Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing  
RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.



--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy



From JScruggs at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  6 17:15:33 2007
From: JScruggs at thoughtworks.com (Jake Scruggs)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:15:33 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Chirb meeting for March
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb  6 17:42:37 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:42:37 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <94FD4333-DA44-45B8-A6EF-1592ACF64D3F@sneer.org>
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On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> 
> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing  
> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.

FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk about
how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how to do
effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.

xoxo,
Andy

-- 
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From cstejerean at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 17:44:20 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:44:20 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] BarCamp Madison needs a Rails/Ruby presence!
In-Reply-To: <7AD47E70-2250-40FF-A96D-F8DC5EC3A993@theworkinggroup.ca>
References: <7AD47E70-2250-40FF-A96D-F8DC5EC3A993@theworkinggroup.ca>
Message-ID: <276266d0702061444m2b12be7bq7a93f86886ed84aa@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested in attending and volunteer to provide transportation
for up to 3 other people (I could cram 5 in my Altima but I'd rather
not). I'm considering speaking assuming I can think of something work
saying.

Regards,

Cosmin Stejerean

On 2/6/07, Cameron Booth <cameron at theworkinggroup.ca> wrote:
> Hey everybody,
>
> I should have mentioned this last night, but it slipped my mind at
> the time. BarCamp Madison is coming up on March 3 & 4, up in Madison,
> WI, which is (I believe) just days before our next Chirb meeting.
>
> For those who don't know, BarCamps are something of a tech "un-
> conference", where anybody is welcome, and the "cost" is
> participation. More info is available here:  http://
> www.barcampmadison.com/
>
> I'm planning on attending and (potentially) speaking about something
> Rails/Ruby related. It would be great to have other people attend
> with similar interests so we can share Ruby and Rails goodness with
> the uninitiated!
>
> Look forward to seeing you there. Feel free to get in touch with me
> if you're thinking of going as well!
>
> Cameron
>
>
> ps. If you enjoy yourself at this one, or just can't make it, get
> ready for the much bigger BarCampUSA in the summer: http://
> www.barcampusa.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 17:56:53 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:56:53 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702061053l46b62e5bt51bb73653bdef315@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF072CBF20.7F835CD1-ON8625727A.00612977-8625727A.00623796@thoughtworks.com>
	<e1112fd0702061022j35219eer2d7933dbb2870889@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702061053l46b62e5bt51bb73653bdef315@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0702061456u4e9a5979lbb037ee8b2771d3c@mail.gmail.com>

why is it that method_missing gets all the meta-love going around
these days?  just look at poor class_eval, all alone...



On 2/6/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/6/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > Any interest in talking about creative uses of method missing? I think rSpec
> > falls into that,
>
> Funny - actually rSpec falls more into "pitfalls of creative use of
> method_missing" ;) I'd be glad to talk about that in the context of a
> method_missing or general meta-programming discussion.
>
> > I have some small things that would be usefull to show.
> > Anyone else?
> >
> >
> > On 2/6/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > It is time to figure out the agenda for March and if we want, April too.
> > We have some really great stuff lined up for the next meeting.  In fact we
> > have too much stuff to fit into one meeting.  Looking at the list below I
> > think we can have David and Troy present at the March meeting, and then the
> > April meeting can emphasize some Ruby basics, and have a coding session.
> > What say you?
> > >
> > > -Troy's Memcached presentation (holdover from last meeting)
> > > -David Chelimsky on TDD, BDD, and Rspec for Rails (test run for his
> > RailsConf presentation)
> > > -Faisal Vali's intro to the ruby programming language
> > > -Ruby Quiz Interactive session
> > >
> > > Josh Cronemeyer
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jperkins at sneer.org  Tue Feb  6 18:03:50 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:03:50 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <20070206224237.GA22321@petdance.com>
References: <OF8F383F07.3A956186-ON8625727A.00655A5B-8625727A.0066474A@thoughtworks.com>
	<94FD4333-DA44-45B8-A6EF-1592ACF64D3F@sneer.org>
	<20070206224237.GA22321@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <169C8C08-506B-4E68-BD42-399F0B960AD7@sneer.org>


On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins  
> (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
>>
>> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
>> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
>
> FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk  
> about
> how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how  
> to do
> effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
> Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.

The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf  
according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have  
missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to  
the loop at least once a month.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy



From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  6 18:36:53 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:36:53 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <94FD4333-DA44-45B8-A6EF-1592ACF64D3F@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <OFBE767E43.3B1675CC-ON8625727A.00816C9F-8625727A.008354B8@thoughtworks.com>

> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing 
> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> 

I don't know.  I wanted to hear some opinions.  I think it would make for 
a good April meeting.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
04:01:50 PM:

> 
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
> 
> >
> > BTW, in talking to David I just realized he would like to make his 
> > presentation span the entire meeting.  In that case I am for giving 
> > him the whole April meeting (he promised some cool interactive 
> > stuff so we can all get down and code).
> >
> > So for March do you think we can cram in the other 3?  Interested 
> > to hear some opinions and ideas on what to put in our next two 
> > meetings.
> 
> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing 
> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
> 
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
> 
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> 
> 
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb  6 19:08:31 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <169C8C08-506B-4E68-BD42-399F0B960AD7@sneer.org>
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On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:03:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf  
> according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have  
> missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to  
> the loop at least once a month.

Thanks, I appreciate hearing that feedback.  I'd love to do it for the
group.

Really, I just want to know WHEN a meeting is.  And when you know, put
it on the Chicago Perl Mongers Upcoming Events page.

http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?upcoming_events

xoxo,
Andy

-- 
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From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb  6 22:59:01 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <169C8C08-506B-4E68-BD42-399F0B960AD7@sneer.org>
References: <OF8F383F07.3A956186-ON8625727A.00655A5B-8625727A.0066474A@thoughtworks.com><94FD4333-DA44-45B8-A6EF-1592ACF64D3F@sneer.org><20070206224237.GA22321@petdance.com>
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I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.

Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what DRb is
during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of the
future meetings, if there is any interest.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Jason Perkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April


On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins  
> (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
>>
>> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
>> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
>
> FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk  
> about
> how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how  
> to do
> effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
> Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.

The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf  
according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have  
missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to  
the loop at least once a month.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From ken at nika.com  Tue Feb  6 23:59:38 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:59:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90910114166E@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <OF5AE8CFCB.C5C657B1-ON8625727A.005E8FF3-8625727A.005EABB3@thoughtworks.com>
	<DE09451D-B0BD-4CDF-A0A0-EB3069B16230@nika.com>
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Message-ID: <D0F29198-3C8E-45AD-B1C0-1ABA13D3CFAA@nika.com>

Yeah, try that argument at a Roulette table in Vegas.

;-)

On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> Thanks, Ken.
>
> Except that won't work, because 2 is actually an odd prime number.
>
> You see, 2 is the only prime number that is even, so it is actually  
> rather odd...
>
> :O
>
> Peter
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org  
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf  
> Of Ken Pelletier
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Starfish Talk Files
>
> You see, that *was* much easier to verify, wasn't it?  ;-)
>
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
>
>
>
> done!   (distributing that work to a second client)
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007  
> 09:57:34 AM:
>
>> 2
>> done!
>
>> On 2/6/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
>> Thanks, Peter.
>>
>> Here's one suggestion to simplify the primes example: produce only
>> the even prime numbers.  That's the only set that I can bio-optically
>> verify as it streams by on the screen.  ;-)
>>
>> Seriously, thanks for the presentation!
>>
>> - Ken
>>
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>       Thanks for coming to yesterday's meeting. I posted my Starfish
>>> source files on my site. You can download them at:
>>>
>>> http://oaktop.com/go/starfish/
>>>
>>>       Also, just to clarify about the prime number program:  
>>> during the
>>> talk, I was surprised at how many prime numbers it found, but it was
>>> working correctly and was finding all the prime numbers.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
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From cpher at spatialbytes.com  Wed Feb  7 12:05:23 2007
From: cpher at spatialbytes.com (Christopher Jennings)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:05:23 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] vote for meeting location
Message-ID: <7Ei1QQPh.1170867923.7605210.cpher@chilco.textdrive.com>

I vote FOR keeping the meetings at TW. Of course I'm biased because I'm
at 55 E Monroe, but I really like their new digs. I can understand the
inconvenience for some Metra commuters, but the CTA isn't convenient
enough? Really? They're only two blocks from the Randolph/Wabash stop.

-Chris

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 12:49:25 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:49:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
Message-ID: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
ActiveRecord... I dunno!

Any ideas or pointers?

-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Wed Feb  7 13:41:25 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0702071041p6a1d878eg70ee58067234c041@mail.gmail.com>

There is some code out there that shows how to use ActiveRecord without a
database but in reality
all you really need is to just create a class that represents the object
you're parsing out of the resultant XML
and just shove attributes in.

Suppose you're parsing the XML you can just do
something like this

fakemodel = Object.new
xmlnodes.each{|node|
  fakemodel.instance_attribute_set("@#{node.name}", node.value)
}

and just do something more sophisticated when you encounter arrays

Mark

On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> ActiveRecord... I dunno!
>
> Any ideas or pointers?
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 13:45:31 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:45:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> ActiveRecord... I dunno!
>
> Any ideas or pointers?

Doesn't this fall under the goals of ActiveResource?

>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From ken at nika.com  Wed Feb  7 13:56:41 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:56:41 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0702071041p6a1d878eg70ee58067234c041@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0702071041p6a1d878eg70ee58067234c041@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5872d00702071056o2687c8feq2d07a4306c67cd06@mail.gmail.com>

You may also want to check out Roxml - a gem that deals with
marshaling/unmarshling ruby objects to/from XML.  It's pretty flexible
and can get you out of the gruntwork biz.

On 2/7/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> There is some code out there that shows how to use ActiveRecord without a
> database but in reality
> all you really need is to just create a class that represents the object
> you're parsing out of the resultant XML
>  and just shove attributes in.
>
> Suppose you're parsing the XML you can just do
> something like this
>
> fakemodel = Object.new
> xmlnodes.each{|node|
>   fakemodel.instance_attribute_set("@#{ node.name}",
> node.value)
> }
>
> and just do something more sophisticated when you encounter arrays
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe < mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> >
> > Any ideas or pointers?
> >
> > --
> > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From tomkersten98 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 14:11:27 2007
From: tomkersten98 at gmail.com (Tom Kersten)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:11:27 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>

I could be wrong, but I believe ActiveResource is intended for
consuming web services from Rails applications (ie--the way it handles
requests, etc are expected to be the 'Rails way').

-tom


On 2/7/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> >
> > Any ideas or pointers?
>
> Doesn't this fall under the goals of ActiveResource?
>
> >
> > --
> > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 14:19:27 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:19:27 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702071119w2b36fb8blc0a9a854500617a9@mail.gmail.com>

Could be.. I'm reading about it now... I will also, eventually have to
process webservices retrieved via soap and XML-RPC (bah) .. I figured
I'll start with the one that is REST first..


On 2/7/07, Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I believe ActiveResource is intended for
> consuming web services from Rails applications (ie--the way it handles
> requests, etc are expected to be the 'Rails way').
>
> -tom
>
>
> On 2/7/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> > >
> > > Any ideas or pointers?
> >
> > Doesn't this fall under the goals of ActiveResource?
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 14:22:46 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:22:46 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0702071122u2fa05b8ekeb6d8b2df9e79761@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/07, Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I believe ActiveResource is intended for
> consuming web services from Rails applications (ie--the way it handles
> requests, etc are expected to be the 'Rails way').
>
> -tom

Looking at actionpack/lib/action_controller/resources.rb I'd say you are right.

>
>
> On 2/7/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> > >
> > > Any ideas or pointers?
> >
> > Doesn't this fall under the goals of ActiveResource?
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 14:35:26 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:35:26 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] ChiPy Meeting Thursday February 7th 7pm
Message-ID: <3096c19d0702071135q67c82c04ob02f486953b5dfc2@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

Come join us for our best meeting ever!

Topic
------

* The Humanized (http://humanized.com) folks present their latest
product "Enso", a Python based application recently profiled in the
Wall Street Journal.

Location
--------

DePaul CTI 243 S Wabash Ave.
Chicago, IL
The computer lab on the 4th floor
7pm

About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

Pass it on.

From sean.seanlynch at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 15:14:41 2007
From: sean.seanlynch at gmail.com (Sean Lynch)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:14:41 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702071122u2fa05b8ekeb6d8b2df9e79761@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702071122u2fa05b8ekeb6d8b2df9e79761@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40651cc90702071214q164c22f6i53a5e5cb12b5f73@mail.gmail.com>

Great talk at last year's rail's conf on Active Resource.

I cannot find his keynote online, but I know it was out there.

Sean

On 2/7/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/07, Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I could be wrong, but I believe ActiveResource is intended for
> > consuming web services from Rails applications (ie--the way it handles
> > requests, etc are expected to be the 'Rails way').
> >
> > -tom
>
> Looking at actionpack/lib/action_controller/resources.rb I'd say you are right.
>
> >
> >
> > On 2/7/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > > > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > > > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > > > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > > > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > > > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas or pointers?
> > >
> > > Doesn't this fall under the goals of ActiveResource?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > > > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > > > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From ryan at platte.name  Wed Feb  7 15:19:25 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:19:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702071119w2b36fb8blc0a9a854500617a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702071045r3663d342v62b63ee8d6a5d22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20c8f9e00702071111v1c89efc5vb8c0b63b11b4a721@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380702071119w2b36fb8blc0a9a854500617a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0702071219s26f7cde7ye7c4d0bc2c1aaa80@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Could be.. I'm reading about it now... I will also, eventually have to
> process webservices retrieved via soap and XML-RPC (bah) .. I figured
> I'll start with the one that is REST first..
>

Rails has excellent decoupling in one (and perhaps only one) spot, and this
is it. You can write any sort of model you want, and it's even easy to mix
in validations, etc. I believe you have to support [], []=, and, like, save.

If you want to really get a handle on this, try building your own model
object that stores to a PStore or something instead of a database, and see
how little you actually wind up having to do.

http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/libdoc/pstore/rdoc/index.html

Early on, David Heinemeier Hansson was talking about Madeleine as an
alternative model backend, and that's in fact what Instiki used before it
was ported to modern Rails (it was based on an early version of Rails).

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From ryan at platte.name  Wed Feb  7 16:24:47 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:24:47 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby & Rails talk at UniForum
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0702071324t6a6bacd3q5a6ae7d526c50b1c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chirbers,

Obtiva's Tyler Jennings will be presenting a talk on Ruby & Rails at the
UniForum user's group in Wheaton on Feb. 27th. This will be a good overview
if any of you are wanting an introduction to Rails.

http://www.uniforum.chi.il.us/meetings/intro_to_rubyrails.html

-- 
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Thu Feb  8 16:04:16 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:04:16 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101195764@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <OFAEEF921D.52ECA647-ON8625727C.00727A13-8625727C.0073BBA8@thoughtworks.com>

Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post the 
details of our next few meetings on chirb.org.  Here is what I'm hearing 
people are willing to present on.  I have arbitrarily dropped the 
presentations into the meetings.  Let's cut and paste the schedule and see 
if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the spring. 

Possible Schedule:
March:
David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec.

April:
Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit

May:
Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.

June:
Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
09:59:01 PM:

> I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.
> 
> Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what DRb is
> during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of the
> future meetings, if there is any interest.
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
> Jason Perkins
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins 
> > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> >>
> >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
> >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> >
> > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk 
> > about
> > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how 
> > to do
> > effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
> > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
> 
> The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf 
> according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have 
> missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to 
> the loop at least once a month.
> 
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
> 
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
> 
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> 
> 
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From rsanheim at gmail.com  Thu Feb  8 23:20:14 2007
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:20:14 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc113d400702082020x68d43390g9723756da9784bc0@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> ActiveRecord... I dunno!
>
> Any ideas or pointers?
>
> --

I would recommend looking at rc_rest [1], a simple library by the
Robot Coop guys for talking to rest services.  I've used it via the
yahoo_search gem that is built on top of it, and its nice enough.  You
should also look at Mocha [2] for testing the web service using mocks
[3].  Mocha works really great for this, you just mock out your web
service "call" method w/ whatever data you want, and you can test all
of your app nicely.

You could call the object you want a 'facade' or maybe 'adapter', or
even a 'model' if it really is a domain object in your system.  I
wouldn't worry too much about what to name it, just make sure to test
like crazy (what if the service is down? what if it returns 500?  what
if i can't auth against it? etc)

1 - http://dev.robotcoop.com/Libraries/rc-rest/
2 - http://mocha.rubyforge.org/
3 - http://errtheblog.com/post/40

- Rob

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 08:52:30 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:52:30 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <fc113d400702082020x68d43390g9723756da9784bc0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc113d400702082020x68d43390g9723756da9784bc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702090552q204899bdj32328cb1eb9f7644@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all for your input .... after I find the best way to write
and test, I'll write up an article somewhere... :)

On 2/8/07, Rob Sanheim <rsanheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> >
> > Any ideas or pointers?
> >
> > --
>
> I would recommend looking at rc_rest [1], a simple library by the
> Robot Coop guys for talking to rest services.  I've used it via the
> yahoo_search gem that is built on top of it, and its nice enough.  You
> should also look at Mocha [2] for testing the web service using mocks
> [3].  Mocha works really great for this, you just mock out your web
> service "call" method w/ whatever data you want, and you can test all
> of your app nicely.
>
> You could call the object you want a 'facade' or maybe 'adapter', or
> even a 'model' if it really is a domain object in your system.  I
> wouldn't worry too much about what to name it, just make sure to test
> like crazy (what if the service is down? what if it returns 500?  what
> if i can't auth against it? etc)
>
> 1 - http://dev.robotcoop.com/Libraries/rc-rest/
> 2 - http://mocha.rubyforge.org/
> 3 - http://errtheblog.com/post/40
>
> - Rob
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From sean.seanlynch at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 11:00:00 2007
From: sean.seanlynch at gmail.com (Sean Lynch)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:00:00 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Consuming Web Services
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702090552q204899bdj32328cb1eb9f7644@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43e95380702070949y2dc4536fjcbedd87153f5e92b@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc113d400702082020x68d43390g9723756da9784bc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380702090552q204899bdj32328cb1eb9f7644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40651cc90702090800qdeb734eu6451c6d1db525875@mail.gmail.com>

also there is:
http://manuals.rubyonrails.com/read/book/10

an overview of actionservices on Rails.

On 2/9/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you all for your input .... after I find the best way to write
> and test, I'll write up an article somewhere... :)
>
> On 2/8/07, Rob Sanheim <rsanheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm working on a prototype for my company and i need to use a
> > > webservice and display data. It would make sense to use the Model to
> > > call and retrieve the data as an array or some type of structure I
> > > think ... but I can't find much info on the web about anybody else
> > > doing this... I won't need a database at all ... so I could not load
> > > ActiveRecord... I dunno!
> > >
> > > Any ideas or pointers?
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > I would recommend looking at rc_rest [1], a simple library by the
> > Robot Coop guys for talking to rest services.  I've used it via the
> > yahoo_search gem that is built on top of it, and its nice enough.  You
> > should also look at Mocha [2] for testing the web service using mocks
> > [3].  Mocha works really great for this, you just mock out your web
> > service "call" method w/ whatever data you want, and you can test all
> > of your app nicely.
> >
> > You could call the object you want a 'facade' or maybe 'adapter', or
> > even a 'model' if it really is a domain object in your system.  I
> > wouldn't worry too much about what to name it, just make sure to test
> > like crazy (what if the service is down? what if it returns 500?  what
> > if i can't auth against it? etc)
> >
> > 1 - http://dev.robotcoop.com/Libraries/rc-rest/
> > 2 - http://mocha.rubyforge.org/
> > 3 - http://errtheblog.com/post/40
> >
> > - Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From peter at oaktop.com  Fri Feb  9 16:30:56 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OFAEEF921D.52ECA647-ON8625727C.00727A13-8625727C.0073BBA8@thoughtworks.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101195764@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<OFAEEF921D.52ECA647-ON8625727C.00727A13-8625727C.0073BBA8@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101195A7F@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Josh,
	Everything looks good. June is a bit far away, so in case of any scheduling issue, I will reconfirm the month before.

	Of course, since the talk is only planned to be 20 minutes, I can do it in some earlier meeting, if we have the time.

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April


Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post the details of our next few meetings on chirb.org. ?Here is what I'm hearing people are willing to present on. ?I have arbitrarily dropped the presentations into the meetings. ?Let's cut and paste the schedule and see if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the spring. ? 

Possible Schedule: 
March: 
David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, rspec. 

April: 
Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit 

May: 
Andy Lester's project estimation presentation. 

June: 
Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 09:59:01 PM:

> I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.
> 
> Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what DRb is
> during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of the
> future meetings, if there is any interest.
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
> Jason Perkins
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins ?
> > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> >>
> >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
> >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> >
> > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too. ?I talk ?
> > about
> > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how ?
> > to do
> > effective project estimation. ?Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
> > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
> 
> The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf ?
> according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have ?
> missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to ?
> the loop at least once a month.
> 
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
> 
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
> 
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Sun Feb 11 16:01:41 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:01:41 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101195A7F@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <OF5196A7BF.FEFA3B75-ON8625727F.0072F1C9-8625727F.00733ACA@thoughtworks.com>

Faisal couldn't give his presentation in April, so he moves to may.  Andy, 
is April OK for you?

Revised Schedule: 

March: 
David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec. 

April: 
Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.

May: 
Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit.

June: 
Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/09/2007 
03:30:56 PM:

> Josh,
>    Everything looks good. June is a bit far away, so in case of any 
> scheduling issue, I will reconfirm the month before.
> 
>    Of course, since the talk is only planned to be 20 minutes, I can 
> do it in some earlier meeting, if we have the time.
> 
> Peter
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Cronemeyer
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:04 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> 
> 
> Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post the 
> details of our next few meetings on chirb.org.  Here is what I'm 
> hearing people are willing to present on.  I have arbitrarily dropped 
> the presentations into the meetings.  Let's cut and paste the schedule
> and see if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the spring.   
> 
> Possible Schedule: 
> March: 
> David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec. 
> 
> April: 
> Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit 
> 
> May: 
> Andy Lester's project estimation presentation. 
> 
> June: 
> Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer 
> 
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
09:59:01 PM:
> 
> > I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.
> > 
> > Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what DRb 
is
> > during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of 
the
> > future meetings, if there is any interest.
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
> > Jason Perkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
> > To: Chirb discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins  
> > > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
> > >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> > >
> > > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk  
> > > about
> > > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how  
> > > to do
> > > effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
> > > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
> > 
> > The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf  
> > according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have  
> > missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to  
> > the loop at least once a month.
> > 
> > --
> > Jason Perkins
> > jperkins at sneer.org
> > 
> > "The key to performance is elegance, not
> > battalions of special cases."
> > 
> > -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From andy at petdance.com  Sun Feb 11 16:52:30 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:52:30 -0800
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF5196A7BF.FEFA3B75-ON8625727F.0072F1C9-8625727F.00733ACA@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF5196A7BF.FEFA3B75-ON8625727F.0072F1C9-8625727F.00733ACA@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <3C7A0E7C-70B9-40EA-B202-4165746D6028@petdance.com>


On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

> Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.

April should be fine if you give me a date.  Also, people want  
estimation more than technical debt?

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Sun Feb 11 19:27:54 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:27:54 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <3C7A0E7C-70B9-40EA-B202-4165746D6028@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <OF6B76C83D.EDA43C8E-ON86257280.00024151-86257280.00023FFB@thoughtworks.com>

Monday April 2.  Do we have to choose either or?  I'd like to hear what 
you have to say on both...  Also, about how long is the talk?  Should we 
schedule the whole evening for you?

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/11/2007 
03:52:30 PM:

> 
> On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
> 
> > Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.
> 
> April should be fine if you give me a date.  Also, people want 
> estimation more than technical debt?
> 
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb 12 15:33:58 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:33:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] March meeting is posted at chirb.org
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0702031523r3235dd9bkb2353622a16f2dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF0BB899FB.A89AA13A-ON86257280.0070CCE3-86257280.0070D69E@thoughtworks.com>

Please RSVP.  http://www.chirb.org/event/show/13

Josh Cronemeyer
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From kevin at obtiva.com  Mon Feb 19 11:21:32 2007
From: kevin at obtiva.com (Kevin P. Taylor)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:21:32 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby on Rails Training March 5-8
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0702071324t6a6bacd3q5a6ae7d526c50b1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0702071324t6a6bacd3q5a6ae7d526c50b1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C915C126-9ABE-4B2D-862F-335366EF1CBC@obtiva.com>

Hi,

A quick note about our upcoming class to be held in the western  
Chicago suburbs.

The next "Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp" is March 5-8 and will be  
located in Wheaton, IL. The training facility is within walking  
distance of the Wheaton train station.

We currently have 6 seats left. More information and registration  
links are at:
http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=rails_course

Or, contact me directly.

Thanks,

--Kevin P. Taylor
Obtiva Corp.
Training and Consulting
Direct: 630.456.1388

www.obtiva.com


From thelostbutler at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 21 01:57:08 2007
From: thelostbutler at yahoo.com (lost butler)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:57:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] gem_server : installation problem
Message-ID: <783264.22755.qm@web59011.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I am trying to set up a local mirror of gems for
installation on multiple systems. I ran the setup
according to 

http://rubyforge.org/docman/view.php/5/231/mirror_setup.html


on a new system (debian) i compile rubygems package
and installed . then i when i run gem_server , i get
the following error

gem_server
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in
`gem_original_require': no such file to load --
rdoc/template (LoadError)
        from
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in
`require'
        from
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/server.rb:6
        from /usr/bin/gem_server:3:in `require'
        from /usr/bin/gem_server:3

dpkg -l | grep ruby
ii  libruby1.6     1.6.8-12sarge3 Libraries necessary
to run Ruby 1.6.x
ii  libruby1.8     1.8.2-7sarge5  Libraries necessary
to run Ruby 1.8
ii  libyaml-ruby   1.8.2-1        YAML for Ruby
ii  libyaml-ruby1. 0.49.1-4       YAML for Ruby 1.6
ii  libzlib-ruby   0.6.0+ruby1.8. Extension library to
use zlib from Ruby
ii  ruby           1.8.2-1        An interpreter of
object-oriented scripting
ii  ruby1.8        1.8.2-7sarge5  Interpreter of
object-oriented scripting lan



on another system where there is already gem_server
installed. when i tried to run gem_screen and did lynx
http://localhost:8808 or http://hostname:8808 as
recommened

http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/2#page9 i get
the following error.

- -> /
[2007-02-21 05:48:51] ERROR NoMethodError: undefined
method `[]=' for nil:NilClass
        /usr/bin/gem_server:403
        /usr/bin/gem_server:366:in `call'
       
/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpservlet/prochandler.rb:26:in
`do_GET'
       
/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpservlet/abstract.rb:35:in
`__send__'
       
/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpservlet/abstract.rb:35:in
`service'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:104:in
`service'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:65:in
`run'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:173:in
`start_thread'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:162:in
`start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:162:in
`start_thread'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:95:in
`start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:92:in
`each'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:92:in
`start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:82:in
`start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:82:in
`start'
        /usr/bin/gem_server:437
10.46.80.107 - - [21/Feb/2007:05:48:51 GMT] "GET /
HTTP/1.0" 500 321
- -> /

then i found this page 

http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/18#page80

I don't know which package to install to get the file
generate_yaml_index.rb . i would appreciate some help
on this.i am a noob.

thanks
karan


 
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From RRussell at thoughtworks.com  Thu Feb 22 14:38:24 2007
From: RRussell at thoughtworks.com (Rolf Russell)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:38:24 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF5196A7BF.FEFA3B75-ON8625727F.0072F1C9-8625727F.00733ACA@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <OF23E574BD.7615601D-ON8625728A.0059D9F9-8625728A.006BE5C0@thoughtworks.com>

I'd like to demo an opensource continuous integration tool.  It's called 
CruiseControl.rb (we weren't very original with naming).  The idea was to 
make something that works easily with ruby and overcomes the pain of other 
CI tools (ex.  download & get running in 10 minutes, provide build 
history, easy to modify, etc). 

It's a pretty good tool and would take about 20 minutes to demo and talk 
about.  Can I request a slot?

--Rolf

PS.  To get a feel for it, it is running live here: 
http://cruisecontrolrb.thoughtworks.com







Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> 
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Faisal couldn't give his presentation in April, so he moves to may.  Andy, 
is April OK for you? 

Revised Schedule: 

March: 
David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec. 

April: 
Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.

May: 
Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit. 

June: 
Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/09/2007 
03:30:56 PM:

> Josh,
>    Everything looks good. June is a bit far away, so in case of any 
> scheduling issue, I will reconfirm the month before.
> 
>    Of course, since the talk is only planned to be 20 minutes, I can 
> do it in some earlier meeting, if we have the time.
> 
> Peter
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Cronemeyer
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:04 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> 
> 
> Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post the 
> details of our next few meetings on chirb.org.  Here is what I'm 
> hearing people are willing to present on.  I have arbitrarily dropped 
> the presentations into the meetings.  Let's cut and paste the schedule
> and see if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the spring. 
> 
> Possible Schedule: 
> March: 
> David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec. 
> 
> April: 
> Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit 
> 
> May: 
> Andy Lester's project estimation presentation. 
> 
> June: 
> Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer 
> 
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
09:59:01 PM:
> 
> > I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.
> > 
> > Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what DRb 
is
> > during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of 
the
> > future meetings, if there is any interest.
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
> > Jason Perkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
> > To: Chirb discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins 
> > > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
> > >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> > >
> > > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk 
> > > about
> > > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how 
> > > to do
> > > effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON about
> > > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
> > 
> > The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf 
> > according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have 
> > missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to 
> > the loop at least once a month.
> > 
> > --
> > Jason Perkins
> > jperkins at sneer.org
> > 
> > "The key to performance is elegance, not
> > battalions of special cases."
> > 
> > -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> > 
> > 
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb 26 11:38:19 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:38:19 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF23E574BD.7615601D-ON8625728A.0059D9F9-8625728A.006BE5C0@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <OF09932EA9.50B51EC1-ON8625728E.005A79B4-8625728E.005B4444@thoughtworks.com>

The next few meetings things are pretty busy, so I can't make any 
promises, although if we can really time box this one to a hard 20 
minutes, we might squeeze it in in the next few months.  Themeatically, a 
quick demo of CC.rb would go well with David's TDD/BDD presentation, but 
we have promised him the entire meeting to himself.  However if David 
thinks there will be extra time at the end for CC.rb we could squeeze you 
in.  Otherwise we can see if Andy Lester will have any extra time for you 
after his project planning meeting.  Failing both we can surely get to it 
in May or June.

David, Andy, are either of you going to have any extra time?


Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/22/2007 
01:38:24 PM:

> 
> I'd like to demo an opensource continuous integration tool.  It's 
> called CruiseControl.rb (we weren't very original with naming).  The 
> idea was to make something that works easily with ruby and overcomes 
> the pain of other CI tools (ex.  download & get running in 10 minutes,
> provide build history, easy to modify, etc). 
> 
> It's a pretty good tool and would take about 20 minutes to demo and 
> talk about.  Can I request a slot? 
> 
> --Rolf 
> 
> PS.  To get a feel for it, it is running live here:   http:
> //cruisecontrolrb.thoughtworks.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> 
> Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Faisal couldn't give his presentation in April, so he moves to may. 
> Andy, is April OK for you? 
> 
> Revised Schedule: 
> 
> March: 
> David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec. 
> 
> April: 
> Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.
> 
> May: 
> Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit. 
> 
> June: 
> Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer 
> 
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/09/2007 
03:30:56 PM:
> 
> > Josh,
> >    Everything looks good. June is a bit far away, so in case of any 
> > scheduling issue, I will reconfirm the month before.
> > 
> >    Of course, since the talk is only planned to be 20 minutes, I can 
> > do it in some earlier meeting, if we have the time.
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > ________________________________________
> > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Cronemeyer
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:04 PM
> > To: Chirb discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> > 
> > 
> > Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post the 
> > details of our next few meetings on chirb.org.  Here is what I'm 
> > hearing people are willing to present on.  I have arbitrarily dropped 
> > the presentations into the meetings.  Let's cut and paste the schedule
> > and see if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the spring.  

> > 
> > Possible Schedule: 
> > March: 
> > David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD, 
rspec. 
> > 
> > April: 
> > Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit 
> > 
> > May: 
> > Andy Lester's project estimation presentation. 
> > 
> > June: 
> > Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb 
> > 
> > Josh Cronemeyer 
> > 
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/06/2007 
> 09:59:01 PM:
> > 
> > > I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.
> > > 
> > > Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what 
DRb is
> > > during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of 
the
> > > future meetings, if there is any interest.
> > > 
> > > Peter
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf 
Of
> > > Jason Perkins
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
> > > To: Chirb discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins 
> > > > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
> > > >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk 
> > > > about
> > > > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how 
 
> > > > to do
> > > > effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON 
about
> > > > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
> > > 
> > > The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf 
> > > according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have 
> > > missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to 
 
> > > the loop at least once a month.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jason Perkins
> > > jperkins at sneer.org
> > > 
> > > "The key to performance is elegance, not
> > > battalions of special cases."
> > > 
> > > -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From andy at petdance.com  Mon Feb 26 13:19:15 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:19:15 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF09932EA9.50B51EC1-ON8625728E.005A79B4-8625728E.005B4444@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF09932EA9.50B51EC1-ON8625728E.005A79B4-8625728E.005B4444@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <A6A3BC3F-6122-44BC-B2FB-B2BD87B5E741@petdance.com>


On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

> Otherwise we can see if Andy Lester will have any extra time for  
> you after his project planning meeting.  Failing both we can surely  
> get to it in May or June.
>
> David, Andy, are either of you going to have any extra time?

I find that the scheduling and technical debt talks have a LOT of  
questions and a LOT of discussion afterwards.

Am I on the schedule somewhere?  I thought we were just in sorta- 
planning mode.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 13:24:53 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:24:53 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OF09932EA9.50B51EC1-ON8625728E.005A79B4-8625728E.005B4444@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF23E574BD.7615601D-ON8625728A.0059D9F9-8625728A.006BE5C0@thoughtworks.com>
	<OF09932EA9.50B51EC1-ON8625728E.005A79B4-8625728E.005B4444@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0702261024q1ba14735l29148fffbb5e75a3@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/26/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> The next few meetings things are pretty busy, so I can't make any promises,
> although if we can really time box this one to a hard 20 minutes, we might
> squeeze it in in the next few months.  Themeatically, a quick demo of CC.rb
> would go well with David's TDD/BDD presentation, but we have promised him
> the entire meeting to himself.  However if David thinks there will be extra
> time at the end for CC.rb we could squeeze you in.  Otherwise we can see if
> Andy Lester will have any extra time for you after his project planning
> meeting.  Failing both we can surely get to it in May or June.
>
> David, Andy, are either of you going to have any extra time?

I think that would be fine to do it coupled with my session next week.

Cheers,
David


>
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 02/22/2007 01:38:24 PM:
>
>
>  >
>  > I'd like to demo an opensource continuous integration tool.  It's
>  > called CruiseControl.rb (we weren't very original with naming).  The
>  > idea was to make something that works easily with ruby and overcomes
>  > the pain of other CI tools (ex.  download & get running in 10 minutes,
>  > provide build history, easy to modify, etc).
>  >
>  > It's a pretty good tool and would take about 20 minutes to demo and
>  > talk about.  Can I request a slot?
>  >
>  > --Rolf
>  >
>  > PS.  To get a feel for it, it is running live here:   http:
>  > //cruisecontrolrb.thoughtworks.com
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
> >
>  > Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com>
>  > Sent by: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > 02/11/2007 03:01 PM
> >
>  > Please respond to
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> <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
> >
>  > To
> >
>  > Chirb discussion list
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> >
>  > cc
> >
>  > Subject
> >
>  > Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Faisal couldn't give his presentation in April, so he moves to may.
>  > Andy, is April OK for you?
>  >
>  > Revised Schedule:
>  >
>  > March:
>  > David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD,
> rspec.
>  >
>  > April:
>  > Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.
>  >
>  > May:
>  > Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit.
>  >
>  > June:
>  > Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb
>  >
>  > Josh Cronemeyer
>  >
>  > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 02/09/2007 03:30:56 PM:
>  >
>  > > Josh,
>  > >    Everything looks good. June is a bit far away, so in case of any
>  > > scheduling issue, I will reconfirm the month before.
>  > >
>  > >    Of course, since the talk is only planned to be 20 minutes, I can
>  > > do it in some earlier meeting, if we have the time.
>  > >
>  > > Peter
>  > >
>  > > ________________________________________
>  > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:
>  > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer
>  > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:04 PM
>  > > To: Chirb discussion list
>  > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post the
>  > > details of our next few meetings on chirb.org.  Here is what I'm
>  > > hearing people are willing to present on.  I have arbitrarily dropped
>  > > the presentations into the meetings.  Let's cut and paste the schedule
>  > > and see if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the spring.
>  > >
>  > > Possible Schedule:
>  > > March:
>  > > David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, BDD,
> rspec.
>  > >
>  > > April:
>  > > Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code pit
>  > >
>  > > May:
>  > > Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.
>  > >
>  > > June:
>  > > Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb
>  > >
>  > > Josh Cronemeyer
>  > >
>  > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote
> on 02/06/2007
>  > 09:59:01 PM:
>  > >
>  > > > I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate talk.
>  > > >
>  > > > Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know what DRb
> is
>  > > > during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in one of
> the
>  > > > future meetings, if there is any interest.
>  > > >
>  > > > Peter
>  > > >
>  > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > From:
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
>  > > >
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> Behalf Of
>  > > > Jason Perkins
>  > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
>  > > > To: Chirb discussion list
>  > > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins
>  > > > > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
>  > > > >>
>  > > > >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm foregoing
>  > > > >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I talk
>  > > > > about
>  > > > > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, and how
>  > > > > to do
>  > > > > effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to OSCON
> about
>  > > > > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
>  > > >
>  > > > The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf
>  > > > according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to have
>  > > > missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself down to
>  > > > the loop at least once a month.
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > Jason Perkins
>  > > > jperkins at sneer.org
>  > > >
>  > > > "The key to performance is elegance, not
>  > > > battalions of special cases."
>  > > >
>  > > > -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > _______________________________________________
>  > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>  > > >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>  > > > _______________________________________________
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>  > > >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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>  > >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb 26 15:09:19 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <A6A3BC3F-6122-44BC-B2FB-B2BD87B5E741@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com>

You are tenatively scheduled for the April meeting (this whole planning 
meetings in advance concept is new for the chirb).  May's meeting already 
has stuff, so if you don't want April the next opening is June.  In any 
case it sounds like you will need the whole meeting for your presentation. 
 Thanks.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/26/2007 
12:19:15 PM:

> 
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
> 
> > Otherwise we can see if Andy Lester will have any extra time for 
> > you after his project planning meeting.  Failing both we can surely 
> > get to it in May or June.
> >
> > David, Andy, are either of you going to have any extra time?
> 
> I find that the scheduling and technical debt talks have a LOT of 
> questions and a LOT of discussion afterwards.
> 
> Am I on the schedule somewhere?  I thought we were just in sorta- 
> planning mode.
> 
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From andy at petdance.com  Mon Feb 26 16:12:31 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:12:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com>


On Feb 26, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

> You are tenatively scheduled for the April meeting (this whole  
> planning meetings in advance concept is new for the chirb).  May's  
> meeting already has stuff, so if you don't want April the next  
> opening is June.  In any case it sounds like you will need the  
> whole meeting for your presentation.  Thanks.

Is there a page discussing the April meeting somewhere?  Date/time,  
etc?  That I can point people to?  And so I know where and when I  
should show up? :-)

xoa

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb 26 17:09:48 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:09:48 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702261024q1ba14735l29148fffbb5e75a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFF2A2707C.7CE8DFFD-ON8625728E.0079AFDA-8625728E.0079A932@thoughtworks.com>

Allright Rolf,

You now have 1 week to prepare :)

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/26/2007 
12:24:53 PM:

> On 2/26/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > The next few meetings things are pretty busy, so I can't make any 
promises,
> > although if we can really time box this one to a hard 20 minutes, we 
might
> > squeeze it in in the next few months.  Themeatically, a quick demo of 
CC.rb
> > would go well with David's TDD/BDD presentation, but we have promised 
him
> > the entire meeting to himself.  However if David thinks there will be 
extra
> > time at the end for CC.rb we could squeeze you in.  Otherwise we can 
see if
> > Andy Lester will have any extra time for you after his project 
planning
> > meeting.  Failing both we can surely get to it in May or June.
> >
> > David, Andy, are either of you going to have any extra time?
> 
> I think that would be fine to do it coupled with my session next week.
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Josh Cronemeyer
> >
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> > 02/22/2007 01:38:24 PM:
> >
> >
> >  >
> >  > I'd like to demo an opensource continuous integration tool.  It's
> >  > called CruiseControl.rb (we weren't very original with naming). The
> >  > idea was to make something that works easily with ruby and 
overcomes
> >  > the pain of other CI tools (ex.  download & get running in 10 
minutes,
> >  > provide build history, easy to modify, etc).
> >  >
> >  > It's a pretty good tool and would take about 20 minutes to demo and
> >  > talk about.  Can I request a slot?
> >  >
> >  > --Rolf
> >  >
> >  > PS.  To get a feel for it, it is running live here:   http:
> >  > //cruisecontrolrb.thoughtworks.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >
> > >
> >  > Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com>
> >  > Sent by: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > > 02/11/2007 03:01 PM
> > >
> >  > Please respond to
> >  > Chirb discussion list
> > <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
> > >
> >  > To
> > >
> >  > Chirb discussion list
> > <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
> > >
> >  > cc
> > >
> >  > Subject
> > >
> >  > Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Faisal couldn't give his presentation in April, so he moves to may.
> >  > Andy, is April OK for you?
> >  >
> >  > Revised Schedule:
> >  >
> >  > March:
> >  > David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, 
BDD,
> > rspec.
> >  >
> >  > April:
> >  > Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.
> >  >
> >  > May:
> >  > Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code 
pit.
> >  >
> >  > June:
> >  > Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb
> >  >
> >  > Josh Cronemeyer
> >  >
> >  > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> > 02/09/2007 03:30:56 PM:
> >  >
> >  > > Josh,
> >  > >    Everything looks good. June is a bit far away, so in case of 
any
> >  > > scheduling issue, I will reconfirm the month before.
> >  > >
> >  > >    Of course, since the talk is only planned to be 20 minutes, I 
can
> >  > > do it in some earlier meeting, if we have the time.
> >  > >
> >  > > Peter
> >  > >
> >  > > ________________________________________
> >  > > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > [mailto:
> >  > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer
> >  > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:04 PM
> >  > > To: Chirb discussion list
> >  > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > Ok, I'm trying to gather together the discussion so we can post 
the
> >  > > details of our next few meetings on chirb.org.  Here is what I'm
> >  > > hearing people are willing to present on.  I have arbitrarily 
dropped
> >  > > the presentations into the meetings.  Let's cut and paste the 
schedule
> >  > > and see if we can't get CHIRB's agenda tenatively set for the 
spring.
> >  > >
> >  > > Possible Schedule:
> >  > > March:
> >  > > David C. doing his RailsConf presentation dry run covering TDD, 
BDD,
> > rspec.
> >  > >
> >  > > April:
> >  > > Ruby newbie meeting with Faisal V's intro to ruby, Ruby Quiz code 
pit
> >  > >
> >  > > May:
> >  > > Andy Lester's project estimation presentation.
> >  > >
> >  > > June:
> >  > > Troy on memcached, Peter on DRb
> >  > >
> >  > > Josh Cronemeyer
> >  > >
> >  > > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote
> > on 02/06/2007
> >  > 09:59:01 PM:
> >  > >
> >  > > > I would be interested in hearing about the project estimate 
talk.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Also, I remember that some people said that they didn't know 
what DRb
> > is
> >  > > > during my Starfish talk. I can do a 20 minutes talk on DRb in 
one of
> > the
> >  > > > future meetings, if there is any interest.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Peter
> >  > > >
> >  > > > -----Original Message-----
> >  > > > From:
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> >  > > >
> > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> > Behalf Of
> >  > > > Jason Perkins
> >  > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:04 PM
> >  > > > To: Chirb discussion list
> >  > > > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Andy Lester wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:01:50PM -0600, Jason Perkins
> >  > > > > (jperkins at sneer.org) wrote:
> >  > > > >>
> >  > > > >> Then is David definitely in for the April meeting? I'm 
foregoing
> >  > > > >> RailsConf this year but would love to hear his presentation.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > FWIW, I'd be glad to talk about some non-Ruby stuff, too.  I 
talk
> >  > > > > about
> >  > > > > how to get hired for programmers, managing techncial debt, 
and how
> >  > > > > to do
> >  > > > > effective project estimation.  Plus, I pitched a talk to 
OSCON
> > about
> >  > > > > Ruby's WWW::Mechanize that I may just have to write, too.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > The project estimation presentation that you do is top shelf
> >  > > > according to coworkers who heard it last year. I was sorry to 
have
> >  > > > missed it. I'm simply going to have to start dragging myself 
down to
> >  > > > the loop at least once a month.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > --
> >  > > > Jason Perkins
> >  > > > jperkins at sneer.org
> >  > > >
> >  > > > "The key to performance is elegance, not
> >  > > > battalions of special cases."
> >  > > >
> >  > > > -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > _______________________________________________
> >  > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  > > >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >  > > > _______________________________________________
> >  > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  > > >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >  > > _______________________________________________
> >  > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  > >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-
> >  > list_______________________________________________
> >  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 17:55:10 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:55:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com>
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com>
	<02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com>

Andy - meetings are posted at chirb.org


On 2/26/07, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
>
> > You are tenatively scheduled for the April meeting (this whole
> > planning meetings in advance concept is new for the chirb).  May's
> > meeting already has stuff, so if you don't want April the next
> > opening is June.  In any case it sounds like you will need the
> > whole meeting for your presentation.  Thanks.
>
> Is there a page discussing the April meeting somewhere?  Date/time,
> etc?  That I can point people to?  And so I know where and when I
> should show up? :-)
>
> xoa
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb 26 18:06:36 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:06:36 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <OF6921E5A2.213814AE-ON8625728E.007ECA78-8625728E.007EF0FE@thoughtworks.com>

I haven't posted the April meeting yet, but we sure can!  So you're saying 
you can do it?  The date would be April 2 6:30 pm at Thoughtworks, 200 E. 
randolph 25th floor.  Details of the event will be posted here: 
www.chirb.org  I'll go ahead and post the event sometime this week unless 
I hear from you that the date/time/location will not work for you.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 02/26/2007 
03:12:31 PM:

> 
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
> 
> > You are tenatively scheduled for the April meeting (this whole 
> > planning meetings in advance concept is new for the chirb).  May's 
> > meeting already has stuff, so if you don't want April the next 
> > opening is June.  In any case it sounds like you will need the 
> > whole meeting for your presentation.  Thanks.
> 
> Is there a page discussing the April meeting somewhere?  Date/time, 
> etc?  That I can point people to?  And so I know where and when I 
> should show up? :-)
> 
> xoa
> 
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From andy at petdance.com  Mon Feb 26 18:59:32 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:59:32 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com>
	<02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com>
	<43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56FFECFD-5B86-48CE-BD93-3C1C6F324675@petdance.com>


On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> Andy - meetings are posted at chirb.org

Alas, April's is not.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From jperkins at sneer.org  Mon Feb 26 19:50:55 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:50:55 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>


On Feb 1, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> Mike, why don't you pick a date? :)
>
> If someone second, I will post it to the site.

Anyone up for a Northside Rails meetup this week?

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The computer allows you to make mistakes
faster than any other invention, with the
possible exception of handguns and tequila."

-Mitch Ratcliffe



From peter at oaktop.com  Mon Feb 26 19:53:40 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:53:40 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <56FFECFD-5B86-48CE-BD93-3C1C6F324675@petdance.com>
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com><02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com><43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FFECFD-5B86-48CE-BD93-3C1C6F324675@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8CDB@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Andy,
	Send me title, abstract, links, bio, etc. and I will update the
listing.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Andy Lester
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:00 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April


On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> Andy - meetings are posted at chirb.org

Alas, April's is not.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance




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From peter at oaktop.com  Mon Feb 26 19:54:54 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com><02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com><43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FFECFD-5B86-48CE-BD93-3C1C6F324675@petdance.com> 
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8CDC@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

(Last email was sent incomplete)

Andy,
	Send me title, abstract, links, bio, etc. and I will update the
listing.

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/14

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter K Chan 
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:54 PM
To: 'Chirb discussion list'
Subject: RE: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April

Andy,
	Send me title, abstract, links, bio, etc. and I will update the
listing.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Andy Lester
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:00 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April


On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> Andy - meetings are posted at chirb.org

Alas, April's is not.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance




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From andy at petdance.com  Mon Feb 26 21:03:40 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:03:40 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8CDB@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com><02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com><43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FFECFD-5B86-48CE-BD93-3C1C6F324675@petdance.com>
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8CDB@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <B214C64D-25AE-4D3A-AD62-705F30F17413@petdance.com>


On Feb 26, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> 	Send me title, abstract, links, bio, etc. and I will update the
> listing.

You're wanting the project estimation & tracking one?

=head1 Title

Preventing Crisis: Project estimation and tracking that works

=head1 bio

Andy Lester (http://petdance.com) is the project manager for  
Socialtext Open (http://socialtext.net/stoss).  He's a leader in the  
open source QA community, maintaining a dozen Perl testing-related  
modules.  He also does public relations for The Perl Foundation.   
Lately he's turned his attention to Ruby not-on-Rails, and wikis as  
social lubricant.  His current non-code project is "Pragmatic Job  
Hunting" for the Pragmatic Programmers.

=head1 Audience type

Anyone who has large projects and managers who want to know when
they'll be done.  This could be programmers or sysadmins.

=head1 Long

Customers and management demand schedules, and incorrect guessing  
makes life miserable for everyone involved.  Technical projects  
aren't just about code, but about code delivered at a given point in  
time.

* Keep management off your back so you can get development work done.

* Make honest schedules everyone can live with.

* Track your progress effectively to avoid 11th hour rushes.

* Learn lightweight estimation and tracking techniques that keep  
process to a minimum.

* Stop your project from stalling, or sliding backwards.

* Handle change requests without stress.

=head1 Short

Customers and management demand schedules, and incorrect guessing  
makes life miserable for everyone involved.  Learn how to balance the  
needs of developers and customers, keep the wolves of management at  
bay, and improve development quality along the way.  Keep management  
and developers happy at the the same time.



--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From scott.gose at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 22:47:31 2007
From: scott.gose at gmail.com (Scott Gose)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:47:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in.  Any night will work for me.

On 2/26/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 1, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
>
> > Mike, why don't you pick a date? :)
> >
> > If someone second, I will post it to the site.
>
> Anyone up for a Northside Rails meetup this week?
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The computer allows you to make mistakes
> faster than any other invention, with the
> possible exception of handguns and tequila."
>
> -Mitch Ratcliffe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 08:01:51 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:01:51 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>
	<f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.

+1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs

>
> On 2/26/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
> >
> > > Mike, why don't you pick a date? :)
> > >
> > > If someone second, I will post it to the site.
> >
> > Anyone up for a Northside Rails meetup this week?
> >
> > --
> > Jason Perkins
> > jperkins at sneer.org
> >
> > "The computer allows you to make mistakes
> > faster than any other invention, with the
> > possible exception of handguns and tequila."
> >
> > -Mitch Ratcliffe
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jperkins at sneer.org  Tue Feb 27 08:21:40 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:21:40 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
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On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:

> On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
>
> +1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs

Tuesday and Thursday work well for me. Wednesday isn't so good. And  
is Fixx good for everyone or do we want to go Far Northside. I ask  
because I believe that David is coming from Evanston and Mike and I  
are in Andersonville.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy



From mmangino at elevatedrails.com  Tue Feb 27 08:37:30 2007
From: mmangino at elevatedrails.com (Mike Mangino)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:37:30 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>
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	<57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4405CB2A-1DC3-4ADA-A1F7-61F3D126E4BD@elevatedrails.com>

I can't this week, but I could definitely do it next Wednesday.

Mike

On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:

> On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
>
> +1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs

--
Mike Mangino
http://www.elevatedrails.com

From sarah at fabled.net  Tue Feb 27 13:37:55 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:37:55 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <FD5D7252-BB66-442E-B81E-50580A958E2B@sneer.org>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>	<f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>	<57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD5D7252-BB66-442E-B81E-50580A958E2B@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <45E47A83.4090903@fabled.net>

I'm in Rogers Park and if a Thursday meeting happens I'll go. Fixx is 
fine w/me but if we're all more north than that,  a place in Evanston or 
Andersonville would be easier. There's great coffeehouses in both 
neighborhoods (though don't ask me what they are! :) ). 

Jason Perkins wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
>
>   
>> On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
>>>       
>> +1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs
>>     
>
> Tuesday and Thursday work well for me. Wednesday isn't so good. And  
> is Fixx good for everyone or do we want to go Far Northside. I ask  
> because I believe that David is coming from Evanston and Mike and I  
> are in Andersonville.
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
>
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From cstejerean at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 14:41:08 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:41:08 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <FD5D7252-BB66-442E-B81E-50580A958E2B@sneer.org>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
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I'd prefer Far North Side on a Tuesday or Thurdsday. I'm coming from
Lake Bluff.

- Cosmin

On 2/27/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
>
> > On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
> >
> > +1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs
>
> Tuesday and Thursday work well for me. Wednesday isn't so good. And
> is Fixx good for everyone or do we want to go Far Northside. I ask
> because I believe that David is coming from Evanston and Mike and I
> are in Andersonville.
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
>
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 15:10:34 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:10:34 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <276266d0702271141m3c1d07cjd6f8394907876eff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
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	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>
	<f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>
	<57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com>
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Why not make a far north side rails meetup.



On 2/27/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd prefer Far North Side on a Tuesday or Thurdsday. I'm coming from
> Lake Bluff.
>
> - Cosmin
>
> On 2/27/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
> >
> > > On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
> > >
> > > +1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs
> >
> > Tuesday and Thursday work well for me. Wednesday isn't so good. And
> > is Fixx good for everyone or do we want to go Far Northside. I ask
> > because I believe that David is coming from Evanston and Mike and I
> > are in Andersonville.
> >
> > --
> > Jason Perkins
> > jperkins at sneer.org
> >
> > "The key to performance is elegance, not
> > battalions of special cases."
> >
> > -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb 27 22:13:01 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:13:01 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April
In-Reply-To: <B214C64D-25AE-4D3A-AD62-705F30F17413@petdance.com>
References: <OFF2B2F2AE.5C7CCF85-ON8625728E.006E7854-8625728E.006EAD64@thoughtworks.com><02848A53-C9F5-44C5-A71D-403D238C5FC0@petdance.com><43e95380702261455q75ceb20t3d86754b24937f3f@mail.gmail.com><56FFECFD-5B86-48CE-BD93-3C1C6F324675@petdance.com><EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8CDB@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<B214C64D-25AE-4D3A-AD62-705F30F17413@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8E0A@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Thank you, Andy. The presentation details are now up on the site.

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/14

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Andy Lester
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:04 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Presentations for March and April


On Feb 26, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> 	Send me title, abstract, links, bio, etc. and I will update the
> listing.

You're wanting the project estimation & tracking one?

=head1 Title

Preventing Crisis: Project estimation and tracking that works

=head1 bio

Andy Lester (http://petdance.com) is the project manager for  
Socialtext Open (http://socialtext.net/stoss).  He's a leader in the  
open source QA community, maintaining a dozen Perl testing-related  
modules.  He also does public relations for The Perl Foundation.   
Lately he's turned his attention to Ruby not-on-Rails, and wikis as  
social lubricant.  His current non-code project is "Pragmatic Job  
Hunting" for the Pragmatic Programmers.

=head1 Audience type

Anyone who has large projects and managers who want to know when
they'll be done.  This could be programmers or sysadmins.

=head1 Long

Customers and management demand schedules, and incorrect guessing  
makes life miserable for everyone involved.  Technical projects  
aren't just about code, but about code delivered at a given point in  
time.

* Keep management off your back so you can get development work done.

* Make honest schedules everyone can live with.

* Track your progress effectively to avoid 11th hour rushes.

* Learn lightweight estimation and tracking techniques that keep  
process to a minimum.

* Stop your project from stalling, or sliding backwards.

* Handle change requests without stress.

=head1 Short

Customers and management demand schedules, and incorrect guessing  
makes life miserable for everyone involved.  Learn how to balance the  
needs of developers and customers, keep the wolves of management at  
bay, and improve development quality along the way.  Keep management  
and developers happy at the the same time.



--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance




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From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Feb 27 22:21:26 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:21:26 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <45E47A83.4090903@fabled.net>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>	<f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>	<57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com><FD5D7252-BB66-442E-B81E-50580A958E2B@sneer.org>
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Sounds like most people actually prefer a "far" north side meetup.

Can someone recommend a nice coffee place around Andersonville? (Wifi and accessible by train)?

(As Sarah has requested, I am not asking her, and I am not asking why either :).).

Peter
________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:38 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup

I'm in Rogers Park and if a Thursday meeting happens I'll go. Fixx is fine w/me but if we're all more north than that,? a place in Evanston or Andersonville would be easier. There's great coffeehouses in both neighborhoods (though don't ask me what they are! :) ).? 

Jason Perkins wrote: 
On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:

  
On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
    
I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
      
+1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs
    

Tuesday and Thursday work well for me. Wednesday isn't so good. And  
is Fixx good for everyone or do we want to go Far Northside. I ask  
because I believe that David is coming from Evanston and Mike and I  
are in Andersonville.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list



  

From mmangino at elevatedrails.com  Wed Feb 28 07:43:23 2007
From: mmangino at elevatedrails.com (Mike Mangino)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:43:23 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F8E0C@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>	<f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>	<57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com><FD5D7252-BB66-442E-B81E-50580A958E2B@sneer.org>
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Message-ID: <6A198FC0-76ED-4071-BA94-BDC9A7020B37@elevatedrails.com>

Metropolis Coffee at Granville and Sheridan is excellent. It is at  
the Granville stop on the redline, has free Wifi and roasts their own  
coffee. They provide the coffee to some of the areas best  
restaurants. Check them out at http://www.metropoliscoffee.com

I might be able to do a Thursday meeting this week.

Mike


On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> Sounds like most people actually prefer a "far" north side meetup.
>
> Can someone recommend a nice coffee place around Andersonville?  
> (Wifi and accessible by train)?
>
> (As Sarah has requested, I am not asking her, and I am not asking  
> why either :).).
>
> Peter
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org  
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf  
> Of Sarah Gray
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:38 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
>
> I'm in Rogers Park and if a Thursday meeting happens I'll go. Fixx  
> is fine w/me but if we're all more north than that,  a place in  
> Evanston or Andersonville would be easier. There's great  
> coffeehouses in both neighborhoods (though don't ask me what they  
> are! :) ).
>
> Jason Perkins wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:01 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
>
>
> On 2/26/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in.  Any night will work for me.
>
> +1 for Tues/Wed/Thurs
>
>
> Tuesday and Thursday work well for me. Wednesday isn't so good. And
> is Fixx good for everyone or do we want to go Far Northside. I ask
> because I believe that David is coming from Evanston and Mike and I
> are in Andersonville.
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
>
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

--
Mike Mangino
http://www.elevatedrails.com




From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Feb 28 08:00:22 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:00:22 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <6A198FC0-76ED-4071-BA94-BDC9A7020B37@elevatedrails.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101141102@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>	<4B0C120C-ABF4-49E4-AAB9-F640C7A4A106@sneer.org>	<f1a0cd9a0702261947g3800141fube836ba9217bd871@mail.gmail.com>	<57c63afe0702270501p2c806563oaa2d25ce7385ba7e@mail.gmail.com><FD5D7252-BB66-442E-B81E-50580A958E2B@sneer.org>
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On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:

> Metropolis Coffee at Granville and Sheridan is excellent. It is at
> the Granville stop on the redline, has free Wifi and roasts their own
> coffee. They provide the coffee to some of the areas best
> restaurants. Check them out at http://www.metropoliscoffee.com
>
> I might be able to do a Thursday meeting this week.

Thursday is no good for me with a prior work engagement going on  
(read: their buying beer at Hopleaf), but tonight works and  
Metropolis sounds good to me.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The computer allows you to make mistakes
faster than any other invention, with the
possible exception of handguns and tequila."

-Mitch Ratcliffe



From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 08:15:37 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:15:37 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <EA46FFE7-B40D-4407-BF91-ED4C6102FEF2@sneer.org>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
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Message-ID: <57c63afe0702280515u6aa95c86p66c8ae9bcd3b13d7@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/28/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:
>
> > Metropolis Coffee at Granville and Sheridan is excellent. It is at
> > the Granville stop on the redline, has free Wifi and roasts their own
> > coffee. They provide the coffee to some of the areas best
> > restaurants. Check them out at http://www.metropoliscoffee.com
> >
> > I might be able to do a Thursday meeting this week.
>
> Thursday is no good for me with a prior work engagement going on
> (read: their buying beer at Hopleaf), but tonight works and
> Metropolis sounds good to me.

I can make it tonight or tomorrow as well.

David

>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The computer allows you to make mistakes
> faster than any other invention, with the
> possible exception of handguns and tequila."
>
> -Mitch Ratcliffe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From shanev at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 08:30:49 2007
From: shanev at gmail.com (Shane Vitarana)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:30:49 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <EA46FFE7-B40D-4407-BF91-ED4C6102FEF2@sneer.org>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
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Message-ID: <4ab757a40702280530m1ddd2a94j2ce456b508fd85c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I'd like to chime in for Tue/Thurs.  Anything off the brown/red line will
work for me.

Shane
(http://shanesbrain.net)

On 2/28/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:
>
> > Metropolis Coffee at Granville and Sheridan is excellent. It is at
> > the Granville stop on the redline, has free Wifi and roasts their own
> > coffee. They provide the coffee to some of the areas best
> > restaurants. Check them out at http://www.metropoliscoffee.com
> >
> > I might be able to do a Thursday meeting this week.
>
> Thursday is no good for me with a prior work engagement going on
> (read: their buying beer at Hopleaf), but tonight works and
> Metropolis sounds good to me.
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The computer allows you to make mistakes
> faster than any other invention, with the
> possible exception of handguns and tequila."
>
> -Mitch Ratcliffe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From scott.gose at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 09:58:13 2007
From: scott.gose at gmail.com (Scott Gose)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:13 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0702280515u6aa95c86p66c8ae9bcd3b13d7@mail.gmail.com>
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	<6A198FC0-76ED-4071-BA94-BDC9A7020B37@elevatedrails.com>
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I can make it tonight.  7:30PM at the Metropolis?

On 2/28/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:
> >
> > > Metropolis Coffee at Granville and Sheridan is excellent. It is at
> > > the Granville stop on the redline, has free Wifi and roasts their own
> > > coffee. They provide the coffee to some of the areas best
> > > restaurants. Check them out at http://www.metropoliscoffee.com
> > >
> > > I might be able to do a Thursday meeting this week.
> >
> > Thursday is no good for me with a prior work engagement going on
> > (read: their buying beer at Hopleaf), but tonight works and
> > Metropolis sounds good to me.
>
> I can make it tonight or tomorrow as well.
>
> David
>
> >
> > --
> > Jason Perkins
> > jperkins at sneer.org
> >
> > "The computer allows you to make mistakes
> > faster than any other invention, with the
> > possible exception of handguns and tequila."
> >
> > -Mitch Ratcliffe
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 11:53:48 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:53:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
Message-ID: <899695.18504.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well if your company is buying beer at the Hopleaf maybe the meetup should be there! ;-)

Cheers,
-Nick Malnick

----- Original Message ----
From: Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:00:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup


On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:

> Metropolis Coffee at Granville and Sheridan is excellent. It is at
> the Granville stop on the redline, has free Wifi and roasts their own
> coffee. They provide the coffee to some of the areas best
> restaurants. Check them out at http://www.metropoliscoffee.com
>
> I might be able to do a Thursday meeting this week.

Thursday is no good for me with a prior work engagement going on  
(read: their buying beer at Hopleaf), but tonight works and  
Metropolis sounds good to me.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The computer allows you to make mistakes
faster than any other invention, with the
possible exception of handguns and tequila."

-Mitch Ratcliffe


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list




From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Feb 28 13:22:58 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:22:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <899695.18504.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <899695.18504.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <96A1DBCC-2FBE-4640-8AD0-357DCC07A450@sneer.org>


On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Nick wrote:

> Well if your company is buying beer at the Hopleaf maybe the meetup  
> should be there! ;-)

Ha! It sounds like Thursday night has the overwhelming majority. Why  
don't you meet at Metropolis tomorrow night and come up with a night  
that's good in general and we can make it a standing thing and  
whoever wants to (and can) attend can just show up.

I'll see if I can't show up at Hopleaf a little late and try to make  
it and meet some of you tomorrow night. Is 7 pm a good start time for  
everyone?


--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy



From peter at oaktop.com  Wed Feb 28 17:08:43 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <96A1DBCC-2FBE-4640-8AD0-357DCC07A450@sneer.org>
References: <899695.18504.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<96A1DBCC-2FBE-4640-8AD0-357DCC07A450@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90917D3452@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

I counted 3.5 people, so it sounds we are set on Thursday (March 1) at
Metropolis then. I made an event page:

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/15

It is a shame that I cannot make it on Thursday nights - I live one
block away from the coffee bar. :( 

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Jason Perkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:23 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup


On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Nick wrote:

> Well if your company is buying beer at the Hopleaf maybe the meetup  
> should be there! ;-)

Ha! It sounds like Thursday night has the overwhelming majority. Why  
don't you meet at Metropolis tomorrow night and come up with a night  
that's good in general and we can make it a standing thing and  
whoever wants to (and can) attend can just show up.

I'll see if I can't show up at Hopleaf a little late and try to make  
it and meet some of you tomorrow night. Is 7 pm a good start time for  
everyone?


--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From sarah at fabled.net  Wed Feb 28 17:39:58 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:39:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90917D3452@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <899695.18504.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<96A1DBCC-2FBE-4640-8AD0-357DCC07A450@sneer.org>
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90917D3452@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <45E604BE.5080103@fabled.net>

I'll be there Thursday. Prob not till 7:30 / 7:40.
 How bout next week it meets on the day Peter can go? They're informal 
anyways, so that'd suit the most people I bet.


Peter K Chan wrote:
> I counted 3.5 people, so it sounds we are set on Thursday (March 1) at
> Metropolis then. I made an event page:
>
> http://www.chirb.org/event/show/15
>
> It is a shame that I cannot make it on Thursday nights - I live one
> block away from the coffee bar. :( 
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
> Jason Perkins
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:23 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Nick wrote:
>
>   
>> Well if your company is buying beer at the Hopleaf maybe the meetup  
>> should be there! ;-)
>>     
>
> Ha! It sounds like Thursday night has the overwhelming majority. Why  
> don't you meet at Metropolis tomorrow night and come up with a night  
> that's good in general and we can make it a standing thing and  
> whoever wants to (and can) attend can just show up.
>
> I'll see if I can't show up at Hopleaf a little late and try to make  
> it and meet some of you tomorrow night. Is 7 pm a good start time for  
> everyone?
>
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
>
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Feb 28 18:15:04 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:15:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
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On Feb 28, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Sarah Gray wrote:

> I'll be there Thursday. Prob not till 7:30 / 7:40.
>  How bout next week it meets on the day Peter can go? They're  
> informal anyways, so that'd suit the most people I bet

That works for me for next week. I'm planning on being there tomorrow  
from around 7 until 8.



--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The key to performance is elegance, not
battalions of special cases."

-Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy