From ken at nika.com  Mon Jan  1 15:14:01 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:14:01 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] OS Survey (was: presentation proposal)
In-Reply-To: <320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <406d2d610612291318n3bf2b489s6066f4ce045d5a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF345E2537.578BAE83-ON86257254.007FD78C-06257254.007FF67B@thoughtworks.com>
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I use a combination of OS X and Linux, depending on the project I'm  
working on.  On OS X I use TextMate and Eclipse, and on Linux I use  
emacs and Eclipse.

- Ken

On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz wrote:

> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you  
> prefer to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>
> Happy New Years everyone.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe next time...  :)
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006  
> 03:18:09 PM:
>
>
> > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next  
> meeting, when
> > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people  
> would like to
> > > present on?
> >
> > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
> > and testing AJAX with it? :)
> >
> > --Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
> adyrcz at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com  Mon Jan  1 16:00:53 2007
From: ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:00:53 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1BED2A5.72B29%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>

Mac OS X 10.4.8 (Intel), BBEdit, vim. Looking at working ctags, TextMate and
Smultron into my toolkit.

-B...


on 12/31/06 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz at adyrcz at gmail.com wrote:

> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer to
> use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> 
> Happy New Years everyone.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe next time...  :)
>> 
>> Josh Cronemeyer 
>> 
>> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006 03:18:09
>> PM:
>> 
>> 
>>> > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>>> > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
>>>> when
>>>> > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people would
>>>> like to
>>>> > > present on?
>>> > 
>>> > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
>>> > and testing AJAX with it? :)
>>> > 
>>> > --Michael
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From brendan.baldwin at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 21:07:09 2007
From: brendan.baldwin at gmail.com (Brendan Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:07:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <C1BED2A5.72B29%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
References: <320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1BED2A5.72B29%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
Message-ID: <7e757dc00701011807y44331b0ax6c190163ce3deb69@mail.gmail.com>

Mac OS X 10.4.8 (PPC), vim and TextMate (considering switching to
Emacs now that I've been learning LISP.)

Used to really like Eclipse back when I was doing Java and ColdFusion
because of the good contextual autocomplete etc, but now I just love
staying in a single Terminal window using 'screen' to switch between
instances of 'vim' and not having to use the mouse for anything.
Since I don't work in Java anymore, I don't even have an active
install of Eclipse running on any of my boxes.

--Brendan

On 1/1/07, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com> wrote:
>
>  Mac OS X 10.4.8 (Intel), BBEdit, vim. Looking at working ctags, TextMate
> and Smultron into my toolkit.
>
>  -B...
>
>
>
>  on 12/31/06 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz at adyrcz at gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
> to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>
>  Happy New Years everyone.
>
>  Andy
>
>
>
>
>  On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Maybe next time...  :)
>
>  Josh Cronemeyer
>
>  chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 12/29/2006 03:18:09 PM:
>
>
>  > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
> when
>  > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people would
> like to
>  > > present on?
>  >
>  > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
>  > and testing AJAX with it? :)
>  >
>  > --Michael
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>  >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From brendan.baldwin at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 21:08:58 2007
From: brendan.baldwin at gmail.com (Brendan Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:08:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <7e757dc00701011807y44331b0ax6c190163ce3deb69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1BED2A5.72B29%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
	<7e757dc00701011807y44331b0ax6c190163ce3deb69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e757dc00701011808m2ca83ac8h3f324ccc848b80fb@mail.gmail.com>

Also, IRB is my IDE. :-)

On 1/1/07, Brendan Baldwin <brendan.baldwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mac OS X 10.4.8 (PPC), vim and TextMate (considering switching to
> Emacs now that I've been learning LISP.)
>
> Used to really like Eclipse back when I was doing Java and ColdFusion
> because of the good contextual autocomplete etc, but now I just love
> staying in a single Terminal window using 'screen' to switch between
> instances of 'vim' and not having to use the mouse for anything.
> Since I don't work in Java anymore, I don't even have an active
> install of Eclipse running on any of my boxes.
>
> --Brendan
>
> On 1/1/07, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Mac OS X 10.4.8 (Intel), BBEdit, vim. Looking at working ctags, TextMate
> > and Smultron into my toolkit.
> >
> >  -B...
> >
> >
> >
> >  on 12/31/06 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz at adyrcz at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
> > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> >
> >  Happy New Years everyone.
> >
> >  Andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Maybe next time...  :)
> >
> >  Josh Cronemeyer
> >
> >  chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> > 12/29/2006 03:18:09 PM:
> >
> >
> >  > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
> > when
> >  > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people would
> > like to
> >  > > present on?
> >  >
> >  > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
> >  > and testing AJAX with it? :)
> >  >
> >  > --Michael
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
>

From paytonrules at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 09:20:29 2007
From: paytonrules at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:20:29 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] OS Survey (was: presentation proposal)
In-Reply-To: <574B43C9-45F3-43AC-9477-83B9A03EFCAE@nika.com>
References: <406d2d610612291318n3bf2b489s6066f4ce045d5a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF345E2537.578BAE83-ON86257254.007FD78C-06257254.007FF67B@thoughtworks.com>
	<320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<574B43C9-45F3-43AC-9477-83B9A03EFCAE@nika.com>
Message-ID: <f797531d0701020620j58648643w9fe54b55317f6245@mail.gmail.com>

Windows + Eclipse.  I prefer an IDE but use IRB a lot.

On 1/1/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
>
> I use a combination of OS X and Linux, depending on the project I'm
> working on.  On OS X I use TextMate and Eclipse, and on Linux I use emacs
> and Eclipse.
> - Ken
>
> On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz wrote:
>
> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
> to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>
> Happy New Years everyone.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe next time...  :)
> >
> > Josh Cronemeyer
> >
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006
> > 03:18:09 PM:
> >
> > > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
> > when
> > > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people would
> > like to
> > > > present on?
> > >
> > > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
> > > and testing AJAX with it? :)
> > >
> > > --Michael
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
> adyrcz at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
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From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan  2 11:25:50 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:25:50 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <406d2d610612291318n3bf2b489s6066f4ce045d5a06@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF345E2537.578BAE83-ON86257254.007FD78C-06257254.007FF67B@thoughtworks.com>
	<320e96240612311023m3eb7a680g30739a678acbed7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701020825k42701884o88c21856af1455db@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
> to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?

We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people doing
show and tell of their environments... :)

--Michael

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan  2 12:54:46 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:54:46 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701020825k42701884o88c21856af1455db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFB3ABA95D.A3349E2F-ON86257257.00624C1F-06257257.00626639@thoughtworks.com>

The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference?

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
10:25:50 AM:

> On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you 
prefer
> > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> 
> We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people doing
> show and tell of their environments... :)
> 
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From adyrcz at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 13:00:41 2007
From: adyrcz at gmail.com (Andy Dyrcz)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:00:41 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <OFB3ABA95D.A3349E2F-ON86257257.00624C1F-06257257.00626639@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <01dd01c72e97$eb6ff1b0$0601a8c0@OrdoAbChao>

15th is good

 

  _____  

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh
Cronemeyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:55 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal

 


The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference? 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 10:25:50
AM:

> On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you
prefer
> > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> 
> We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people doing
> show and tell of their environments... :)
> 
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From brendan.baldwin at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 13:25:38 2007
From: brendan.baldwin at gmail.com (Brendan Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:25:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <OFB3ABA95D.A3349E2F-ON86257257.00624C1F-06257257.00626639@thoughtworks.com>
References: <406d2d610701020825k42701884o88c21856af1455db@mail.gmail.com>
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Both work great for me too.  I'm a sooner-rather-than later guy
myself, (or I'd like to try to be)  so I vote 8th.

:-)

On 1/2/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference?
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 01/02/2007 10:25:50 AM:
>
>
>  > On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you
> prefer
>  > > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>  >
>  > We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people doing
>  > show and tell of their environments... :)
>  >
>  > --Michael
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>  >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan  2 13:38:03 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:38:03 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <7e757dc00701021025i3686c72dhbb0398e7a2e33f11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <406d2d610701020825k42701884o88c21856af1455db@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB3ABA95D.A3349E2F-ON86257257.00624C1F-06257257.00626639@thoughtworks.com>
	<7e757dc00701021025i3686c72dhbb0398e7a2e33f11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701021038w2c6a9818h38ca7fc49992d40e@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/07, Brendan Baldwin <brendan.baldwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Both work great for me too.  I'm a sooner-rather-than later guy
> myself, (or I'd like to try to be)  so I vote 8th.

I vote for 8th as well, but 15th works too.

--Michael

From ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com  Tue Jan  2 13:40:15 2007
From: ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:40:15 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <7e757dc00701021025i3686c72dhbb0398e7a2e33f11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1C0032F.72B87%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>

The 8th is better for me, too.

-B...


on 1/2/07 12:25 PM, Brendan Baldwin at brendan.baldwin at gmail.com wrote:

> Both work great for me too.  I'm a sooner-rather-than later guy
> myself, (or I'd like to try to be)  so I vote 8th.
> 
> :-)
> 
> On 1/2/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference?
>> 
>> Josh Cronemeyer
>> 
>> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
>> 01/02/2007 10:25:50 AM:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you
>> prefer
>>>> to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>>> 
>>> We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people doing
>>> show and tell of their environments... :)
>>> 
>>> --Michael
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> 
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list



From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan  2 14:18:58 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:18:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <01dd01c72e97$eb6ff1b0$0601a8c0@OrdoAbChao>
Message-ID: <OFAC5AC5D5.8DEE8859-ON86257257.0069DE4D-06257257.006A1BCE@thoughtworks.com>

Sounds like the 8ths have it.  I think sooner is better so that we get 
back to our old schedule which was the first monday of the month if I'm 
not mistaken.  I'll try to setup the meeting RSVP thingy sometime today.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
12:00:41 PM:

> 15th is good
> 
> 
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Cronemeyer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:55 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal
> 
> 
> The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference? 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer 
> 
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
10:25:50 AM:
> 
> > On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you 
prefer
> > > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> > 
> > We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people doing
> > show and tell of their environments... :)
> > 
> > --Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan  2 17:13:48 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:13:48 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <OFAC5AC5D5.8DEE8859-ON86257257.0069DE4D-06257257.006A1BCE@thoughtworks.com>
References: <01dd01c72e97$eb6ff1b0$0601a8c0@OrdoAbChao>
	<OFAC5AC5D5.8DEE8859-ON86257257.0069DE4D-06257257.006A1BCE@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701021413g3a777e39oee42015c830d1401@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>   I think sooner is better so that we get back
> to our old schedule which was the first monday of the month if I'm not
> mistaken.

I agree, excepting strange holiday first Mondays. :)  It's also
largely why I prefer the 8th, even though it's my wedding aniversary
(although my wife has to work really late that day anyway so worry not
about me shirking her for the meeting).  We're celebrating on Sunday
instead. :)

--Michael

From localuser at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 17:57:05 2007
From: localuser at gmail.com (Ed Chang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:57:05 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <OFB3ABA95D.A3349E2F-ON86257257.00624C1F-06257257.00626639@thoughtworks.com>
References: <406d2d610701020825k42701884o88c21856af1455db@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB3ABA95D.A3349E2F-ON86257257.00624C1F-06257257.00626639@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <106a0270701021457g56d3861ck88802c7df3baf07c@mail.gmail.com>

Josh,

The 8th is good for me.

Ed

On 1/2/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference?
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
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From ldavis at ghx.com  Tue Jan  2 21:41:37 2007
From: ldavis at ghx.com (ldavis)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:41:37 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] ChicagoGroup-Members-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1167747636.27373.chicagogroup-members-list@rubyforge.org>
Message-ID: <GHX-MAIL2hGOD6gx3lK000046eb@GHX-EXCHANGE.corp.ghx.com>

FYI,

We use ruby on linux (Sun machines) and XP for front end and reporting work.
We use lisp on the back for data mining/AI work.

Regards,
Lou Davis

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: presentation proposal (Peter K Chan)
   2. Re: OS Survey (was: presentation proposal) (Ken Pelletier)
   3. Re: presentation proposal (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.)
   4. Re: presentation proposal (Brendan Baldwin)
   5. Re: presentation proposal (Brendan Baldwin)
   6. Re: OS Survey (was: presentation proposal) (Eric Smith)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:23:56 -0500
From: "Peter K Chan" <peter at oaktop.com>
Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal
To: "Chirb discussion list" <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Message-ID:
	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010772F0 at ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I use Windows mostly for my workstation, but my laptop is Mac and I have
Linux desktop running remotely. Depending on my environment, I use either
vi/emacs on the command line, emacs on Mac, or Eclipse if I am working on a
project.

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Dyrcz
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:24 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal

Just a little survey.? What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?

Happy New Years everyone.

Andy



On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:

Maybe next time... ?:) 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006 03:18:09
PM:


> On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> 
> > Looking forward to the next meeting! ?Speaking of the next meeting, 
> > when should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people 
> > would like to present on?
> 
> Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium 
> and testing AJAX with it? :)
> 
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
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--
Andy Dyrcz

A+, Network +, Linux +
adyrcz at gmail.com 


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:14:01 -0600
From: Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com>
Subject: Re: [Chirb] OS Survey (was: presentation proposal)
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Message-ID: <574B43C9-45F3-43AC-9477-83B9A03EFCAE at nika.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I use a combination of OS X and Linux, depending on the project I'm working
on.  On OS X I use TextMate and Eclipse, and on Linux I use emacs and
Eclipse.

- Ken

On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz wrote:

> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you 
> prefer to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>
> Happy New Years everyone.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe next time...  :)
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006
> 03:18:09 PM:
>
>
> > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next  
> meeting, when
> > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people  
> would like to
> > > present on?
> >
> > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
> > and testing AJAX with it? :)
> >
> > --Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
> adyrcz at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:00:53 -0600
From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com>
Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal
To: Chicago Ruby <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Message-ID: <C1BED2A5.72B29%ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Mac OS X 10.4.8 (Intel), BBEdit, vim. Looking at working ctags, TextMate and
Smultron into my toolkit.

-B...


on 12/31/06 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz at adyrcz at gmail.com wrote:

> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
to
> use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> 
> Happy New Years everyone.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe next time...  :)
>> 
>> Josh Cronemeyer 
>> 
>> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006
03:18:09
>> PM:
>> 
>> 
>>> > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>>> > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
>>>> when
>>>> > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people
would
>>>> like to
>>>> > > present on?
>>> > 
>>> > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
>>> > and testing AJAX with it? :)
>>> > 
>>> > --Michael
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:07:09 -0600
From: "Brendan Baldwin" <brendan.baldwin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal
To: "Chirb discussion list" <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Message-ID:
	<7e757dc00701011807y44331b0ax6c190163ce3deb69 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Mac OS X 10.4.8 (PPC), vim and TextMate (considering switching to
Emacs now that I've been learning LISP.)

Used to really like Eclipse back when I was doing Java and ColdFusion
because of the good contextual autocomplete etc, but now I just love
staying in a single Terminal window using 'screen' to switch between
instances of 'vim' and not having to use the mouse for anything.
Since I don't work in Java anymore, I don't even have an active
install of Eclipse running on any of my boxes.

--Brendan

On 1/1/07, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com> wrote:
>
>  Mac OS X 10.4.8 (Intel), BBEdit, vim. Looking at working ctags, TextMate
> and Smultron into my toolkit.
>
>  -B...
>
>
>
>  on 12/31/06 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz at adyrcz at gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
> to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>
>  Happy New Years everyone.
>
>  Andy
>
>
>
>
>  On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Maybe next time...  :)
>
>  Josh Cronemeyer
>
>  chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 12/29/2006 03:18:09 PM:
>
>
>  > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
> when
>  > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people would
> like to
>  > > present on?
>  >
>  > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
>  > and testing AJAX with it? :)
>  >
>  > --Michael
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>  >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:08:58 -0600
From: "Brendan Baldwin" <brendan.baldwin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal
To: "Chirb discussion list" <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Message-ID:
	<7e757dc00701011808m2ca83ac8h3f324ccc848b80fb at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Also, IRB is my IDE. :-)

On 1/1/07, Brendan Baldwin <brendan.baldwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mac OS X 10.4.8 (PPC), vim and TextMate (considering switching to
> Emacs now that I've been learning LISP.)
>
> Used to really like Eclipse back when I was doing Java and ColdFusion
> because of the good contextual autocomplete etc, but now I just love
> staying in a single Terminal window using 'screen' to switch between
> instances of 'vim' and not having to use the mouse for anything.
> Since I don't work in Java anymore, I don't even have an active
> install of Eclipse running on any of my boxes.
>
> --Brendan
>
> On 1/1/07, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Mac OS X 10.4.8 (Intel), BBEdit, vim. Looking at working ctags,
TextMate
> > and Smultron into my toolkit.
> >
> >  -B...
> >
> >
> >
> >  on 12/31/06 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz at adyrcz at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you
prefer
> > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> >
> >  Happy New Years everyone.
> >
> >  Andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Maybe next time...  :)
> >
> >  Josh Cronemeyer
> >
> >  chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> > 12/29/2006 03:18:09 PM:
> >
> >
> >  > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
> > when
> >  > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people
would
> > like to
> >  > > present on?
> >  >
> >  > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
> >  > and testing AJAX with it? :)
> >  >
> >  > --Michael
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >  >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
>


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:20:29 -0600
From: "Eric Smith" <paytonrules at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chirb] OS Survey (was: presentation proposal)
To: "Chirb discussion list" <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Message-ID:
	<f797531d0701020620j58648643w9fe54b55317f6245 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Windows + Eclipse.  I prefer an IDE but use IRB a lot.

On 1/1/07, Ken Pelletier <ken at nika.com> wrote:
>
> I use a combination of OS X and Linux, depending on the project I'm
> working on.  On OS X I use TextMate and Eclipse, and on Linux I use emacs
> and Eclipse.
> - Ken
>
> On Dec 31, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Andy Dyrcz wrote:
>
> Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do you prefer
> to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
>
> Happy New Years everyone.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> On 12/30/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe next time...  :)
> >
> > Josh Cronemeyer
> >
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 12/29/2006
> > 03:18:09 PM:
> >
> > > On 12/29/06, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looking forward to the next meeting!  Speaking of the next meeting,
> > when
> > > > should we have it, and do we have any particular topics people would
> > like to
> > > > present on?
> > >
> > > Weren't we going to get you and Jason Huggins to present on Selenium
> > > and testing AJAX with it? :)
> > >
> > > --Michael
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
> adyrcz at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan  2 22:27:28 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:27:28 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <OFAC5AC5D5.8DEE8859-ON86257257.0069DE4D-06257257.006A1BCE@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <OFE060279F.AFEEE752-ON86257258.001220C5-86257258.0012F831@thoughtworks.com>

Next week's CHIRB meeting is all setup!  Jan. 8th 6:30 pm.  At 
Thoughtworks, 25th floor of the AON building.  Pizza, pop are provided, 
etc.  Once again, remember to RSVP or you will have to fight unarmed 
security guards to get up to the 25th floor. ;)

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/9

The starting point for next weeks meeting as suggested by Michael B. is 
just a continuation and extension of our discussion on ruby environments. 
I thought we could make the topic a bit more general and just have a 
discussion on productivity.  So if you have a particular setup on your rig 
you find productive that would be a perfectly fine topic to base a 
lightning talk on, or if you simply know a time saving trick for doing 
someting-or-other that will be a fine discussion point too.  The point is, 
anyone, no matter what level, from newbie to guru, should be able to pick 
some tricks up here.

Looking forward to it,

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
01:18:58 PM:

> 
> Sounds like the 8ths have it.  I think sooner is better so that we get
> back to our old schedule which was the first monday of the month if 
> I'm not mistaken.  I'll try to setup the meeting RSVP thingy sometime 
today. 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer 
> 
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
12:00:41 PM:
> 
> > 15th is good 
> > 
> > 
> > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Cronemeyer
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:55 AM
> > To: Chirb discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal 
> > 
> > 
> > The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference? 
> > 
> > Josh Cronemeyer 
> > 
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
> 10:25:50 AM:
> > 
> > > On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do 
you prefer
> > > > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> > > 
> > > We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people 
doing
> > > show and tell of their environments... :)
> > > 
> > > --Michael
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  4 22:18:48 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:18:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
Message-ID: <20070105031848.44786.qmail@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I've setup an Ubuntu, Apache2.2, Mongrel, RoR rig and am having a problem running Mongrel Cluster.  After configuring it and doing a cluster::start I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable in my web browser (I believe this is because apache is trying to forward my request to Mongrel, and Mongrel is dead). 

Checking the mongrel.log file I find this:

** Daemonized, any open files are closed.  Look at log/mongrel.8000.pid and log/mongrel.log for info.
** Starting Mongrel listening at 127.0.0.1:8000
** Starting Rails with production environment...
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)
    from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `require'
    from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.0/lib/mongrel/rails.rb:155:in `rails'
...

Has anyone seen this exception before or know what the problem is?  

I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.

I also did a search on the web and found a post that mentioned the need for gem_plugin 0.2.2, so I did a gem update --source=http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/releases/, but that didn't solve the problem.

Any help would be appreciated,
-Nick
 


From tomkersten98 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 00:49:16 2007
From: tomkersten98 at gmail.com (Tom Kersten)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:49:16 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
In-Reply-To: <20070105031848.44786.qmail@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070105031848.44786.qmail@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20c8f9e00701042149m85e3cfbp66a18bd81ed79fca@mail.gmail.com>

I *BELIEVE* I ran into this, but it was quite a while back....so
forgive me if this is wrong....but I think it may be a problem with
the #! line in the mongrel_cluster_control script  .

I think it is something like the following on a fresh install:

#!/usr/bin/env ruby

...on my system I think I changed that to the direct path to my ruby executable:

#!/usr/local/bin/ruby

and that fixed it....

Again...this is all pretty much from memory...so, remember your
changes in case you need to revert ;-)

Let me know if that fixes it. Good luck!

-Tom Kersten



On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've setup an Ubuntu, Apache2.2, Mongrel, RoR rig and am having a problem running Mongrel Cluster.  After configuring it and doing a cluster::start I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable in my web browser (I believe this is because apache is trying to forward my request to Mongrel, and Mongrel is dead).
>
> Checking the mongrel.log file I find this:
>
> ** Daemonized, any open files are closed.  Look at log/mongrel.8000.pid and log/mongrel.log for info.
> ** Starting Mongrel listening at 127.0.0.1:8000
> ** Starting Rails with production environment...
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)
>     from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `require'
>     from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.0/lib/mongrel/rails.rb:155:in `rails'
> ...
>
> Has anyone seen this exception before or know what the problem is?
>
> I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.
>
> I also did a search on the web and found a post that mentioned the need for gem_plugin 0.2.2, so I did a gem update --source=http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/releases/, but that didn't solve the problem.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
> -Nick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Fri Jan  5 11:24:01 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:24:01 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] presentation proposal
In-Reply-To: <OFAC5AC5D5.8DEE8859-ON86257257.0069DE4D-06257257.006A1BCE@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <OF3C7B66A5.A263D3E4-ON8625725A.0059EF77-8625725A.0059F683@thoughtworks.com>

A reminder to everyone to RSVP for the next chirb meeting asap so I can 
put everyone in the system.  Also the website was incorrectly reporting a 
6:30 am meeting time... Uhh.  That was incorrect.  Please, 6:30 pm.

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
01:18:58 PM:

> 
> Sounds like the 8ths have it.  I think sooner is better so that we get
> back to our old schedule which was the first monday of the month if 
> I'm not mistaken.  I'll try to setup the meeting RSVP thingy sometime 
today. 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer 
> 
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
12:00:41 PM:
> 
> > 15th is good 
> > 
> > 
> > From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Cronemeyer
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:55 AM
> > To: Chirb discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] presentation proposal 
> > 
> > 
> > The 8th or 15th both work for me.  Anyone have a preference? 
> > 
> > Josh Cronemeyer 
> > 
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/02/2007 
> 10:25:50 AM:
> > 
> > > On 12/31/06, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Just a little survey.  What OS is everyone using? On that OS do 
you prefer
> > > > to use some sort of IDE or just stick with the command line?
> > > 
> > > We could do a meeting next week, or the week after, with people 
doing
> > > show and tell of their environments... :)
> > > 
> > > --Michael
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From localuser at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 11:39:26 2007
From: localuser at gmail.com (Ed Chang)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:39:26 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
In-Reply-To: <20070105031848.44786.qmail@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070105031848.44786.qmail@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <106a0270701050839x4bd8d15bu1468a7ca526d76b1@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure
> why running mongrel cluster fails.



Nick,

So, from the root directory of your rails app you're able to start a single
instance of mongrel with the following?

  mongrel_rails start

If so, does the following also work?

  mongrel_rails cluster::start


Ed

p.s., are you using the latest mongrel 1.0 release candidate?
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From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 16:19:39 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:19:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
Message-ID: <20070105211939.42647.qmail@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom,

Thanks for help, I'll try this out tonight and let you know if it works.

Thanks,
-Nick Malnick

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:49:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem

I *BELIEVE* I ran into this, but it was quite a while back....so
forgive me if this is wrong....but I think it may be a problem with
the #! line in the mongrel_cluster_control script  .

I think it is something like the following on a fresh install:

#!/usr/bin/env ruby

...on my system I think I changed that to the direct path to my ruby executable:

#!/usr/local/bin/ruby

and that fixed it....

Again...this is all pretty much from memory...so, remember your
changes in case you need to revert ;-)

Let me know if that fixes it. Good luck!

-Tom Kersten



On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've setup an Ubuntu, Apache2.2, Mongrel, RoR rig and am having a problem running Mongrel Cluster.  After configuring it and doing a cluster::start I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable in my web browser (I believe this is because apache is trying to forward my request to Mongrel, and Mongrel is dead).
>
> Checking the mongrel.log file I find this:
>
> ** Daemonized, any open files are closed.  Look at log/mongrel.8000.pid and log/mongrel.log for info.
> ** Starting Mongrel listening at 127.0.0.1:8000
> ** Starting Rails with production environment...
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)
>     from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `require'
>     from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.0/lib/mongrel/rails.rb:155:in `rails'
> ...
>
> Has anyone seen this exception before or know what the problem is?
>
> I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.
>
> I also did a search on the web and found a post that mentioned the need for gem_plugin 0.2.2, so I did a gem update --source=http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/releases/, but that didn't solve the problem.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
> -Nick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 16:21:41 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:21:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
Message-ID: <20070105212141.46959.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ed,

'mongrel_rails start' works.  'mongrel_rails cluster::start' fails.  Not sure of the exact version of Mongrel right now (at work), but I installed this recently so I'm assuming it is the latest and greatest.

Thanks
-Nick Malnick

----- Original Message ----
From: Ed Chang <localuser at gmail.com>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:39:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem

On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.

Nick,

So, from the root directory of your rails app you're able to start a single instance of mongrel with the following?


  mongrel_rails start

If so, does the following also work?

  mongrel_rails cluster::start



Ed

p.s., are you using the latest mongrel 1.0 release candidate?


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From localuser at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 17:56:43 2007
From: localuser at gmail.com (Ed Chang)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:56:43 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
In-Reply-To: <20070105212141.46959.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070105212141.46959.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <106a0270701051456j757cf0a7ue62297eb67206732@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/5/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> 'mongrel_rails start' works.  'mongrel_rails cluster::start' fails.  Not
> sure of the exact version of Mongrel right now (at work), but I installed
> this recently so I'm assuming it is the latest and greatest.
>
> Thanks
> -Nick Malnick
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ed Chang <localuser at gmail.com>
> To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:39:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
>
> On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure
> > why running mongrel cluster fails.
>
>
>
> Nick,
>
> So, from the root directory of your rails app you're able to start a
> single instance of mongrel with the following?
>
>   mongrel_rails start
>
> If so, does the following also work?
>
>   mongrel_rails cluster::start
>
>
> Ed
>
> p.s., are you using the latest mongrel 1.0 release candidate?
>

Nick,

Try creating a new mongrel_cluster.yml with the following:

sudo mongrel_rails cluster::configure -e production -c
PATH_TO_RAILS_APP_ROOT -p 8000 -N 3 -a 127.0.0.1 --user YOUR_USER --group
YOUR_GROUP

Once it's created the file in your config directory, trying starting up the
cluster again with:

sudo mongrel_rails cluster::start

Ed
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From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 18:38:20 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:38:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
Message-ID: <20070105233820.56189.qmail@web82810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ed,

That's how I'm configuring it (fyi, I'm using the guide on the mongrel's website).  Sorry, I should have posted that detail.

Thanks,
-Nick

----- Original Message ----
From: Ed Chang <localuser at gmail.com>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 4:56:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem

On 1/5/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Ed,

'mongrel_rails start' works.  'mongrel_rails cluster::start' fails.  Not sure of the exact version of Mongrel right now (at work), but I installed this recently so I'm assuming it is the latest and greatest.


Thanks
-Nick Malnick

----- Original Message ----
From: Ed Chang <
localuser at gmail.com>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org
>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:39:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem

On 1/4/07, Nick <
tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.

Nick,

So, from the root directory of your rails app you're able to start a single instance of mongrel with the following?


  mongrel_rails start

If so, does the following also work?

  mongrel_rails cluster::start



Ed

p.s., are you using the latest mongrel 1.0 release candidate?






Nick,

Try creating a new mongrel_cluster.yml with the following:

sudo mongrel_rails cluster::configure -e production -c PATH_TO_RAILS_APP_ROOT -p 8000 -N 3 -a 
127.0.0.1 --user YOUR_USER --group YOUR_GROUP

Once it's created the file in your config directory, trying starting up the cluster again with:

sudo mongrel_rails cluster::start


Ed


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From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  8 10:50:32 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:50:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
Message-ID: <20070108155032.89097.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom,

I checked the mongrel cluster control script and noticed that it was in fact pointing to /usr/bin/env ruby (which is not where I have ruby installed).  After updating the script I tried running the cluster, unfortunately it did not fix my problem.  I then took another look at the error and focused in on:
...no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)...

So I checked to make sure environment.rb existed, which it did. I than checked the permissions on the file and discovered that it was only accessible by my local user.  So I ran a quick test and changed the user that mongrel cluster ran as and everything worked fine, looks like I have a permissions problem.

Thanks for everyone's help,
-Nick Malnick

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:49:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem

I *BELIEVE* I ran into this, but it was quite a while back....so
forgive me if this is wrong....but I think it may be a problem with
the #! line in the mongrel_cluster_control script  .

I think it is something like the following on a fresh install:

#!/usr/bin/env ruby

...on my system I think I changed that to the direct path to my ruby executable:

#!/usr/local/bin/ruby

and that fixed it....

Again...this is all pretty much from memory...so, remember your
changes in case you need to revert ;-)

Let me know if that fixes it. Good luck!

-Tom Kersten



On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've setup an Ubuntu, Apache2.2, Mongrel, RoR rig and am having a problem running Mongrel Cluster.  After configuring it and doing a cluster::start I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable in my web browser (I believe this is because apache is trying to forward my request to Mongrel, and Mongrel is dead).
>
> Checking the mongrel.log file I find this:
>
> ** Daemonized, any open files are closed.  Look at log/mongrel.8000.pid and log/mongrel.log for info.
> ** Starting Mongrel listening at 127.0.0.1:8000
> ** Starting Rails with production environment...
> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)
>     from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `require'
>     from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.0/lib/mongrel/rails.rb:155:in `rails'
> ...
>
> Has anyone seen this exception before or know what the problem is?
>
> I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.
>
> I also did a search on the web and found a post that mentioned the need for gem_plugin 0.2.2, so I did a gem update --source=http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/releases/, but that didn't solve the problem.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
> -Nick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
_______________________________________________
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From tomkersten98 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 12:16:45 2007
From: tomkersten98 at gmail.com (Tom Kersten)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:16:45 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
In-Reply-To: <20070108155032.89097.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070108155032.89097.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20c8f9e00701080916n49849c50p323e1b08e3dd132@mail.gmail.com>

Good to hear. Congrats.

-Tom

On 1/8/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I checked the mongrel cluster control script and noticed that it was in fact pointing to /usr/bin/env ruby (which is not where I have ruby installed).  After updating the script I tried running the cluster, unfortunately it did not fix my problem.  I then took another look at the error and focused in on:
> ...no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)...
>
> So I checked to make sure environment.rb existed, which it did. I than checked the permissions on the file and discovered that it was only accessible by my local user.  So I ran a quick test and changed the user that mongrel cluster ran as and everything worked fine, looks like I have a permissions problem.
>
> Thanks for everyone's help,
> -Nick Malnick
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com>
> To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:49:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
>
> I *BELIEVE* I ran into this, but it was quite a while back....so
> forgive me if this is wrong....but I think it may be a problem with
> the #! line in the mongrel_cluster_control script  .
>
> I think it is something like the following on a fresh install:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env ruby
>
> ...on my system I think I changed that to the direct path to my ruby executable:
>
> #!/usr/local/bin/ruby
>
> and that fixed it....
>
> Again...this is all pretty much from memory...so, remember your
> changes in case you need to revert ;-)
>
> Let me know if that fixes it. Good luck!
>
> -Tom Kersten
>
>
>
> On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've setup an Ubuntu, Apache2.2, Mongrel, RoR rig and am having a problem running Mongrel Cluster.  After configuring it and doing a cluster::start I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable in my web browser (I believe this is because apache is trying to forward my request to Mongrel, and Mongrel is dead).
> >
> > Checking the mongrel.log file I find this:
> >
> > ** Daemonized, any open files are closed.  Look at log/mongrel.8000.pid and log/mongrel.log for info.
> > ** Starting Mongrel listening at 127.0.0.1:8000
> > ** Starting Rails with production environment...
> > /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)
> >     from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in `require'
> >     from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.0/lib/mongrel/rails.rb:155:in `rails'
> > ...
> >
> > Has anyone seen this exception before or know what the problem is?
> >
> > I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not sure why running mongrel cluster fails.
> >
> > I also did a search on the web and found a post that mentioned the need for gem_plugin 0.2.2, so I did a gem update --source=http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/releases/, but that didn't solve the problem.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated,
> > -Nick
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Mon Jan  8 12:25:18 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:25:18 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
In-Reply-To: <20c8f9e00701080916n49849c50p323e1b08e3dd132@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070108155032.89097.qmail@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20c8f9e00701080916n49849c50p323e1b08e3dd132@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0701080925v22f12a32r954ba785876d52b2@mail.gmail.com>

So I've been looking at Mongrel Cluster for a bit and am wondering if it
would make sense to enhance it to preload all of the ruby it needs prior to
forking and starting mongrels thereby saving memory resources. Has anyone
done this? Does anyone see anything terribly wrong with the idea?

On 1/8/07, Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good to hear. Congrats.
>
> -Tom
>
> On 1/8/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > I checked the mongrel cluster control script and noticed that it was in
> fact pointing to /usr/bin/env ruby (which is not where I have ruby
> installed).  After updating the script I tried running the cluster,
> unfortunately it did not fix my problem.  I then took another look at the
> error and focused in on:
> > ...no such file to load -- /prod/www/demo/config/environment
> (LoadError)...
> >
> > So I checked to make sure environment.rb existed, which it did. I than
> checked the permissions on the file and discovered that it was only
> accessible by my local user.  So I ran a quick test and changed the user
> that mongrel cluster ran as and everything worked fine, looks like I have a
> permissions problem.
> >
> > Thanks for everyone's help,
> > -Nick Malnick
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Tom Kersten <tomkersten98 at gmail.com>
> > To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:49:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Having a mongrel cluster problem
> >
> > I *BELIEVE* I ran into this, but it was quite a while back....so
> > forgive me if this is wrong....but I think it may be a problem with
> > the #! line in the mongrel_cluster_control script  .
> >
> > I think it is something like the following on a fresh install:
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/env ruby
> >
> > ...on my system I think I changed that to the direct path to my ruby
> executable:
> >
> > #!/usr/local/bin/ruby
> >
> > and that fixed it....
> >
> > Again...this is all pretty much from memory...so, remember your
> > changes in case you need to revert ;-)
> >
> > Let me know if that fixes it. Good luck!
> >
> > -Tom Kersten
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/4/07, Nick <tet11_2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've setup an Ubuntu, Apache2.2, Mongrel, RoR rig and am having a
> problem running Mongrel Cluster.  After configuring it and doing a
> cluster::start I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable in my web browser
> (I believe this is because apache is trying to forward my request to
> Mongrel, and Mongrel is dead).
> > >
> > > Checking the mongrel.log file I find this:
> > >
> > > ** Daemonized, any open files are closed.  Look at
> log/mongrel.8000.pid and log/mongrel.log for info.
> > > ** Starting Mongrel listening at 127.0.0.1:8000
> > > ** Starting Rails with production environment...
> > > /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in
> `gem_original_require': no such file to load --
> /prod/www/demo/config/environment (LoadError)
> > >     from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:27:in
> `require'
> > >     from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.0/lib/mongrel/rails.rb:155:in
> `rails'
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this exception before or know what the problem is?
> > >
> > > I am able to run a single mongrel instance successfully, so I'm not
> sure why running mongrel cluster fails.
> > >
> > > I also did a search on the web and found a post that mentioned the
> need for gem_plugin 0.2.2, so I did a gem update --source=
> http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/releases/, but that didn't solve the problem.
> > >
> > > Any help would be appreciated,
> > > -Nick
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From sgoering at jobplex.com  Mon Jan  8 13:15:12 2007
From: sgoering at jobplex.com (Steve Goering (Jobplex))
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:15:12 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Developers Wanted (Chicago)
Message-ID: <77B43DEE077C8746B1B7BE2808C622B716017BD3@dhrmail.dhrintl.net>

Hello,

 

My name is Steve Goering and I am a recruiter here in Chicago. My client
is a rapidly growing eCommerce company in the Loop that is looking for
software engineers who have some Ruby or Ruby on Rails experience. The
ideal candidate will have roughly 3-5 years of software engineering
experience with working knowledge of Ruby or Rails. Our compensation
range is open with a target range in the 70-90k area. Please feel free
to email me or call to discus further. Thanks!!

 

Steve Goering | Vice President
JobPlex | an affiliate of DHR International
w 312.627.9301 | f 312.627.9302
10 S. Riverside Plaza #2250 | Chicago, IL  60606

 

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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan  9 00:44:38 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
Message-ID: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>

So I've recieved some feedback on our most recent meeting.  What I've 
heard is that at the January meeting there just wasn't enough Ruby.  I 
agree with this, but don't think that we have a real problem, we just need 
to plan and prepare a bit more.  With that in mind I say we solidify the 
agenda for our next meeting asap.

Here are the presentations planned for next time:

Peter presents starfish
Michael presents capistrano

One great element that has been missing from meetings as of late is actual 
coding.  Let's bring back the codefest!  I vote for doing a ruby quiz 
together.  Either the classic rock paper scissor one 
http://rubyquiz.com/quiz16.html or code cleaning 
http://rubyquiz.com/quiz26.html  What do you think?

PS i'll post the results of all the surveys we took somewhere soon.

Josh Cronemeyer
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From tdenkinger at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 00:59:02 2007
From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:59:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>

Josh,

Thanks for hosting the event tonight.  It's appreciated.  It seemed that
there might be some interest in memcached from the discussion.  I'd be happy
to do a presentation on that topic and make sure to include some Ruby to
make it pertinent.  It'd be pretty quick - maybe 20 to 30 minutes tops.  I'd
be happy to do it in March if there's no room for February.

Regards,

Troy Denkinger
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From rsanheim at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 01:03:23 2007
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 00:03:23 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>
	<b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc113d400701082203p704471adya5d7af658ef85c3f@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/8/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> Josh,
>
> Thanks for hosting the event tonight.  It's appreciated.  It seemed that
> there might be some interest in memcached from the discussion.  I'd be happy
> to do a presentation on that topic and make sure to include some Ruby to
> make it pertinent.  It'd be pretty quick - maybe 20 to 30 minutes tops.  I'd
> be happy to do it in March if there's no room for February.
>
> Regards,
>
> Troy Denkinger

Troy - have you used the acts_as_cached plugin from the cnet/chowhound
guys?  I might consider rallying a road trip down from madison to see
a good presentation that covers that...

- Rob
robsanheim.com | seekingalpha.com | ajaxian.com

From nil at redshed.net  Tue Jan  9 01:56:07 2007
From: nil at redshed.net (Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch)
Date: Tue,  9 Jan 2007 00:56:07 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Cocoa-Ruby proposal
Message-ID: <b02020003-1048-i386-E49097F5AE2941B09C81BFA6583C6799@wolf-mbp17.local>

Greetings all,

I'm up for talking about developing Cocoa apps in Ruby after Mac 
OS X 10.5 ships. There's been developments both inside and 
outside of Apple that makes an interesting story for using Ruby 
to develop native Mac apps.

| Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
| Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
|     "better" necessarily means "different"


From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan  9 12:23:36 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:23:36 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] User preference quiz results
Message-ID: <OF72E5EEC8.24A1B125-ON8625725E.0057A160-8625725E.005F56B8@thoughtworks.com>

Here are the numbers from our surveys we took at the last meeting:

Editor/IDE of choice:
Vi:             8 users
Textmate:       6 users
Emacs:          4 users
RadRails:       3 users
RDT:            2 users
Ultraedit:      2 users
BBedit:         1 user
Smultron:       1 user
IntelliJ:               1 user

Rails version you currently use:
1.1.6:          7 users
1.0:            5 users
edge:           3 users
1.2rc:          2 users

Operating System you use:
OSX:            14 users
Windows:        11 users
Linux:          10 users

Linux distro of choice:
Ubuntu:         8 users
Fedora:         4 users
Cygwin:         4 users (not really linx tho)
Debian:         2 users
RHEL:           1 user
Gentoo:         1 user

Josh Cronemeyer
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From ryan at platte.name  Tue Jan  9 12:49:10 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:49:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] User preference quiz results
In-Reply-To: <OF72E5EEC8.24A1B125-ON8625725E.0057A160-8625725E.005F56B8@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF72E5EEC8.24A1B125-ON8625725E.0057A160-8625725E.005F56B8@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701090949t84cf8aara85686e8517ab292@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> Rails version you currently use:
> 1.1.6:                7 users
> 1.0:                5 users
> edge:                3 users
> 1.2rc:                2 users
>

Very interesting. I'd be interested in knowing what factors are involved in
your choice of Rails version.

Thanks for the survey, Josh.

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan  9 12:49:59 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:49:59 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>

So here are our proposals so far:

1. Peter presents starfish 
2. Michael presents capistrano
3. Ruby quiz codefest
4. Troy presents memcache
5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby

I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25 
minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.

I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/08/2007 
11:59:02 PM:

> Josh,
> 
> Thanks for hosting the event tonight.  It's appreciated.  It seemed 
> that there might be some interest in memcached from the discussion. 
> I'd be happy to do a presentation on that topic and make sure to 
> include some Ruby to make it pertinent.  It'd be pretty quick - maybe 
> 20 to 30 minutes tops.  I'd be happy to do it in March if there's no 
> room for February. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Troy Denkinger_______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From ryan at platte.name  Tue Jan  9 12:54:46 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:54:46 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> 1. Peter presents starfish
> 2. Michael presents capistrano
> 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> 4. Troy presents memcache
> 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
>
> I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25
> minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
>
> I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!


I vote for 2, 4, 5, 5, and 5. (Can I do that?)

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From hubrix at hubrix.com  Tue Jan  9 13:10:02 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:10:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] User preference quiz results
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701090949t84cf8aara85686e8517ab292@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF72E5EEC8.24A1B125-ON8625725E.0057A160-8625725E.005F56B8@thoughtworks.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0701090949t84cf8aara85686e8517ab292@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0701091010u75e619efvfd3f5e1a6594f8ba@mail.gmail.com>

upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1+ appears to be non-trivial with a large codebase
that has existed since rails 0.7.

On 1/9/07, Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote:
>
> On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rails version you currently use:
> > 1.1.6:                7 users
> > 1.0:                5 users
> > edge:                3 users
> > 1.2rc:                2 users
> >
>
> Very interesting. I'd be interested in knowing what factors are involved
> in your choice of Rails version.
>
> Thanks for the survey, Josh.
>
> --
> Ryan Platte
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From paytonrules at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 13:13:52 2007
From: paytonrules at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:13:52 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f797531d0701091013v3d74350eyeed3a08b0f26862e@mail.gmail.com>

2, 3, 5

On 1/9/07, Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote:
>
> On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 1. Peter presents starfish
> > 2. Michael presents capistrano
> > 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> > 4. Troy presents memcache
> > 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
> >
> > I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25
> > minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
> >
> > I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
>
>
> I vote for 2, 4, 5, 5, and 5. (Can I do that?)
>
> --
> Ryan Platte
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From michael.niessner at aventive.com  Tue Jan  9 13:36:04 2007
From: michael.niessner at aventive.com (Michael Niessner)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:36:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <f797531d0701091013v3d74350eyeed3a08b0f26862e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>	<2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f797531d0701091013v3d74350eyeed3a08b0f26862e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A3E094.3080205@aventive.com>

5,2,4

Eric Smith wrote:
> 2, 3, 5
>
> On 1/9/07, *Ryan Platte* <ryan at platte.name <mailto:ryan at platte.name>> 
> wrote:
>
>     On 1/9/07, *Josh Cronemeyer* <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com
>     <mailto:jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> > wrote:
>
>
>         1. Peter presents starfish
>         2. Michael presents capistrano
>         3. Ruby quiz codefest
>         4. Troy presents memcache
>         5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
>
>         I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to
>         20-25 minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for
>         discussion.
>
>         I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
>
>
>     I vote for 2, 4, 5, 5, and 5. (Can I do that?)
>
>     -- 
>     Ryan Platte
>     _______________________________________________
>     ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


From localuser at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 15:11:04 2007
From: localuser at gmail.com (Ed Chang)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:11:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <106a0270701091211w72623cfeua3286739944b0774@mail.gmail.com>

I vote for 2, 4, 1

Ed


On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> So here are our proposals so far:
>
> 1. Peter presents starfish
> 2. Michael presents capistrano
> 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> 4. Troy presents memcache
> 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
>
> I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25
> minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
>
> I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
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From sebastian at feldpost.com  Tue Jan  9 15:18:17 2007
From: sebastian at feldpost.com (Sebastian Friedrich)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:18:17 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <106a0270701091211w72623cfeua3286739944b0774@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
	<106a0270701091211w72623cfeua3286739944b0774@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8E8904-F1CF-4C0C-998C-B59478BED6F9@feldpost.com>

5, 4, 2

although, i'd love to see more of 5) than just 25 minutes.

sebastian
On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Ed Chang wrote:

> I vote for 2, 4, 1
>
> Ed
>
>
> On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> So here are our proposals so far:
>
> 1. Peter presents starfish
> 2. Michael presents capistrano
> 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> 4. Troy presents memcache
> 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
>
> I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25  
> minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
>
> I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 15:28:57 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:28:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <4F8E8904-F1CF-4C0C-998C-B59478BED6F9@feldpost.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
	<106a0270701091211w72623cfeua3286739944b0774@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8E8904-F1CF-4C0C-998C-B59478BED6F9@feldpost.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0701091228r2c107c68p1d35655ccf3a2a51@mail.gmail.com>

2, 3, 5


On 1/9/07, Sebastian Friedrich <sebastian at feldpost.com> wrote:
> 5, 4, 2
>
> although, i'd love to see more of 5) than just 25 minutes.
>
> sebastian
>
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Ed Chang wrote:
>
> I vote for 2, 4, 1
>
> Ed
>
>
> On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > So here are our proposals so far:
> >
> > 1. Peter presents starfish
> > 2. Michael presents capistrano
> > 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> > 4. Troy presents memcache
> > 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
> >
> > I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25
> minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
> >
> > I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
> >
> > Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 15:31:36 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:31:36 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] User preference quiz results
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701091010u75e619efvfd3f5e1a6594f8ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF72E5EEC8.24A1B125-ON8625725E.0057A160-8625725E.005F56B8@thoughtworks.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0701090949t84cf8aara85686e8517ab292@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0701091010u75e619efvfd3f5e1a6594f8ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0701091231n16600fd0x288831067d4b1337@mail.gmail.com>

only one gentoo user?  well add me as well !.. although i dunno if you
can monkey patch a quiz...


-colin


On 1/9/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1+ appears to be non-trivial with a large codebase
> that has existed since rails 0.7.
>
>
> On 1/9/07, Ryan Platte < ryan at platte.name> wrote:
> >
> > On 1/9/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Rails version you currently use:
> > > 1.1.6:                7 users
> > > 1.0:                5 users
> > > edge:                3 users
> > > 1.2rc:                2 users
> > >
> >
> > Very interesting. I'd be interested in knowing what factors are involved
> in your choice of Rails version.
> >
> > Thanks for the survey, Josh.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Platte
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan  9 17:24:19 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:24:19 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] User preference quiz results
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0701091231n16600fd0x288831067d4b1337@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF72E5EEC8.24A1B125-ON8625725E.0057A160-8625725E.005F56B8@thoughtworks.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0701090949t84cf8aara85686e8517ab292@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0701091010u75e619efvfd3f5e1a6594f8ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<507da57a0701091231n16600fd0x288831067d4b1337@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701091424l50fc8a45jb77a758c26517f97@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> only one gentoo user?  well add me as well !.. although i dunno if you
> can monkey patch a quiz...

I think you can-- if you bribe the monkey with chunky bacon.

--Michael

From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan  9 17:25:25 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:25:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0701091228r2c107c68p1d35655ccf3a2a51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
	<106a0270701091211w72623cfeua3286739944b0774@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F8E8904-F1CF-4C0C-998C-B59478BED6F9@feldpost.com>
	<507da57a0701091228r2c107c68p1d35655ccf3a2a51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701091425j58511453l6fe5089160d8cc38@mail.gmail.com>

1, 2, 3

From esambo at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 14:13:06 2007
From: esambo at gmail.com (E. Sambo)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:13:06 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <45A3E094.3080205@aventive.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f797531d0701091013v3d74350eyeed3a08b0f26862e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A3E094.3080205@aventive.com>
Message-ID: <b951ec580701091113t6949b001mf5f953e8df58c487@mail.gmail.com>

1, 4, 2

On 1/9/07, Michael Niessner <michael.niessner at aventive.com> wrote:
>
> 5,2,4
>
> Eric Smith wrote:
> > 2, 3, 5
> >
> > On 1/9/07, *Ryan Platte* <ryan at platte.name <mailto:ryan at platte.name>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     On 1/9/07, *Josh Cronemeyer* <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com
> >     <mailto:jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >         1. Peter presents starfish
> >         2. Michael presents capistrano
> >         3. Ruby quiz codefest
> >         4. Troy presents memcache
> >         5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
> >
> >         I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to
> >         20-25 minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for
> >         discussion.
> >
> >         I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
> >
> >
> >     I vote for 2, 4, 5, 5, and 5. (Can I do that?)
> >
> >     --
> >     Ryan Platte
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
> >     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From cameron at theworkinggroup.ca  Tue Jan  9 14:47:41 2007
From: cameron at theworkinggroup.ca (Cameron Booth)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:47:41 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <45A3E094.3080205@aventive.com>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>	<2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>
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4, 1, 5 for me. ;-)

Had fun last night everybody, was my first visit. See you next time!

Cameron




On 9-Jan-07, at 12:36 PM, Michael Niessner wrote:

> 5,2,4
>
> Eric Smith wrote:
>> 2, 3, 5
>>
>> On 1/9/07, *Ryan Platte* <ryan at platte.name <mailto:ryan at platte.name>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 1/9/07, *Josh Cronemeyer* <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com
>>     <mailto:jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>         1. Peter presents starfish
>>         2. Michael presents capistrano
>>         3. Ruby quiz codefest
>>         4. Troy presents memcache
>>         5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
>>
>>         I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to
>>         20-25 minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for
>>         discussion.
>>
>>         I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
>>
>>
>>     I vote for 2, 4, 5, 5, and 5. (Can I do that?)
>>
>>     --
>>     Ryan Platte
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
>>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ---
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


From shanev at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 19:09:43 2007
From: shanev at gmail.com (Shane Vitarana)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:09:43 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <0FF6DEC8-2E25-4E42-ABED-6B512E79F607@theworkinggroup.ca>
References: <b98e048e0701082159q68b74995o9b62ad4bfb8c1622@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7258FB62.3E0285FB-ON8625725E.006174E2-8625725E.0061E421@thoughtworks.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0701090954j68ee9442la8f2d6f1620ca99a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f797531d0701091013v3d74350eyeed3a08b0f26862e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45A3E094.3080205@aventive.com>
	<0FF6DEC8-2E25-4E42-ABED-6B512E79F607@theworkinggroup.ca>
Message-ID: <4ab757a40701091609x762c0b3btfd0b437ee54e2b2a@mail.gmail.com>

1, 3, 4

shane (http://shanesbrain.net)

On 1/9/07, Cameron Booth <cameron at theworkinggroup.ca> wrote:
>
> 4, 1, 5 for me. ;-)
>
> Had fun last night everybody, was my first visit. See you next time!
>
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
> On 9-Jan-07, at 12:36 PM, Michael Niessner wrote:
>
> > 5,2,4
> >
> > Eric Smith wrote:
> >> 2, 3, 5
> >>
> >> On 1/9/07, *Ryan Platte* <ryan at platte.name <mailto:ryan at platte.name>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     On 1/9/07, *Josh Cronemeyer* <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com
> >>     <mailto:jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>         1. Peter presents starfish
> >>         2. Michael presents capistrano
> >>         3. Ruby quiz codefest
> >>         4. Troy presents memcache
> >>         5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
> >>
> >>         I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to
> >>         20-25 minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for
> >>         discussion.
> >>
> >>         I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
> >>
> >>
> >>     I vote for 2, 4, 5, 5, and 5. (Can I do that?)
> >>
> >>     --
> >>     Ryan Platte
> >>     _______________________________________________
> >>     ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >>     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
> >>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ---
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From jbreen at centerpost.com  Wed Jan 10 18:37:36 2007
From: jbreen at centerpost.com (Jim Breen)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:37:36 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
Message-ID: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12306@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>

Jonathan said, "I'm up for talking about developing Cocoa apps in Ruby
after Mac OS X 10.5 ships."  Since 10.5 hasn't shipped, it may be
premature to schedule cocoa-ruby for February.
 
Given that, I vote 1,3,4.

________________________________

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Josh Cronemeyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.



So here are our proposals so far: 

1. Peter presents starfish 
2. Michael presents capistrano
3. Ruby quiz codefest 
4. Troy presents memcache 
5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby 

I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25
minutes.  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion. 

I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot! 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/08/2007
11:59:02 PM:

> Josh,
> 
> Thanks for hosting the event tonight.  It's appreciated.  It seemed 
> that there might be some interest in memcached from the discussion.  
> I'd be happy to do a presentation on that topic and make sure to 
> include some Ruby to make it pertinent.  It'd be pretty quick - maybe 
> 20 to 30 minutes tops.  I'd be happy to do it in March if there's no 
> room for February. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Troy Denkinger_______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From farreva at iit.edu  Wed Jan 10 19:12:25 2007
From: farreva at iit.edu (Evan Farrar)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:12:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12306@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
References: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12306@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
Message-ID: <fc62fd3b0701101612w4aa0231el804bc1f6f313941b@mail.gmail.com>

Same set, different permutation: 4, 1, 3

(And uh, hello all! I just joined the list)

On 1/10/07, Jim Breen <jbreen at centerpost.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jonathan said, "I'm up for talking about developing Cocoa apps in Ruby after
> Mac OS X 10.5 ships."  Since 10.5 hasn't shipped, it may be premature to
> schedule cocoa-ruby for February.
>
> Given that, I vote 1,3,4.
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
>
>
>
> So here are our proposals so far:
>
> 1. Peter presents starfish
> 2. Michael presents capistrano
> 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> 4. Troy presents memcache
> 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
>
> I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25 minutes.
>  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
>
> I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 01/08/2007 11:59:02 PM:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > Thanks for hosting the event tonight.  It's appreciated.  It seemed
> > that there might be some interest in memcached from the discussion.
> > I'd be happy to do a presentation on that topic and make sure to
> > include some Ruby to make it pertinent.  It'd be pretty quick - maybe
> > 20 to 30 minutes tops.  I'd be happy to do it in March if there's no
> > room for February.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Troy
> Denkinger_______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Wed Jan 10 19:39:58 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:39:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <fc62fd3b0701101612w4aa0231el804bc1f6f313941b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12306@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<fc62fd3b0701101612w4aa0231el804bc1f6f313941b@mail.gmail.com>
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I am going to go with 2 and 1.



On 1/10/07, Evan Farrar <farreva at iit.edu> wrote:
>
> Same set, different permutation: 4, 1, 3
>
> (And uh, hello all! I just joined the list)
>
> On 1/10/07, Jim Breen <jbreen at centerpost.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jonathan said, "I'm up for talking about developing Cocoa apps in Ruby
> after
> > Mac OS X 10.5 ships."  Since 10.5 hasn't shipped, it may be premature to
> > schedule cocoa-ruby for February.
> >
> > Given that, I vote 1,3,4.
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> > [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:50 AM
> > To: Chirb discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
> >
> >
> >
> > So here are our proposals so far:
> >
> > 1. Peter presents starfish
> > 2. Michael presents capistrano
> > 3. Ruby quiz codefest
> > 4. Troy presents memcache
> > 5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby
> >
> > I think we can do 3 of these if we limit each presentation to 20-25
> minutes.
> >  That would leave us plenty of time for discussion.
> >
> > I vote for 2, 4, 5.  Cast your ballot!
> >
> > Josh Cronemeyer
> >
> > chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> > 01/08/2007 11:59:02 PM:
> >
> > > Josh,
> > >
> > > Thanks for hosting the event tonight.  It's appreciated.  It seemed
> > > that there might be some interest in memcached from the discussion.
> > > I'd be happy to do a presentation on that topic and make sure to
> > > include some Ruby to make it pertinent.  It'd be pretty quick - maybe
> > > 20 to 30 minutes tops.  I'd be happy to do it in March if there's no
> > > room for February.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Troy
> > Denkinger_______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > >
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan 16 09:22:41 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:22:41 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
Message-ID: <OFEBE5BACA.91F97156-ON86257265.004E0C5A-86257265.004EE8CC@thoughtworks.com>

Here are the results of our vote!  Drum roll...

Ed Chang - 1,2,4
Ryan Platte - 2,4,5
Eric Smith - 2,3,5
Mike Niesser - 2,4,5
Sebastian Friedrich - 2,4,5
Colin H - 2,3,5
Michael Buselli - 1,2,3
Shane vitarana - 1,3,4
Cameron Booth - 4,1,5
E. Sambo - 1,4,2
Jim Breen - 1,3,4
Evan Ferrar - 4,1,3
Mark Friedgan - 2,1
Me - 2,4,5

Totals

1. Peter presents starfish = 8
2. Michael presents capistrano = 10
3. Ruby quiz codefest = 6
4. Troy presents memcache =10
5. Jonathan presents cocoa-ruby = 7

I hope I didn't miss anyone's vote.  Looks like Capistrano,  memcache, and 
starfish are it for the Feb. meeting.  I doubt we will have time for doing 
anything else, in fact if each of these presentations takes 20 minutes and 
we have 15-20 minutes of discussion this meeting will get kinda long. 
Peter, Michael, Troy, will 20-30 minutes each not counting discussion be 
enough?  Let me know.  We also need to figure out the date.  I vote for 
the 12th of Feb to give our presenters plenty of time to prepare.  Let me 
know if this date has major problems by the end of this week.  I want to 
put the event on the site ASAP.

Josh Cronemeyer
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From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan 16 11:22:32 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:22:32 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <OFEBE5BACA.91F97156-ON86257265.004E0C5A-86257265.004EE8CC@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OFEBE5BACA.91F97156-ON86257265.004E0C5A-86257265.004EE8CC@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701160822s35056388n7c2942369bdfedd3@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/16/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> I hope I didn't miss anyone's vote.  Looks like Capistrano,  memcache, and
> starfish are it for the Feb. meeting.  I doubt we will have time for doing
> anything else, in fact if each of these presentations takes 20 minutes and
> we have 15-20 minutes of discussion this meeting will get kinda long.
> Peter, Michael, Troy, will 20-30 minutes each not counting discussion be
> enough?  Let me know.  We also need to figure out the date.  I vote for the
> 12th of Feb to give our presenters plenty of time to prepare.  Let me know
> if this date has major problems by the end of this week.  I want to put the
> event on the site ASAP.

I have to admit it seems a bit (or a lot?) cramped, but we can always
whet appetites for a longer March presentation, if necessary. :)

I'm available both first and second Mondays.  I kind of prefer the
first so as to stay in sync with the whole first Monday thing.

--Michael

From ken at nika.com  Tue Jan 16 12:10:09 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:10:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701160822s35056388n7c2942369bdfedd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFEBE5BACA.91F97156-ON86257265.004E0C5A-86257265.004EE8CC@thoughtworks.com>
	<406d2d610701160822s35056388n7c2942369bdfedd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268DCCB4-FAEE-4122-9F85-44E671DE2503@nika.com>

+1 on the trying to get (back) to a consistent first monday schedule

On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Michael H Buselli wrote:

> On 1/16/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> I hope I didn't miss anyone's vote.  Looks like Capistrano,   
>> memcache, and
>> starfish are it for the Feb. meeting.  I doubt we will have time  
>> for doing
>> anything else, in fact if each of these presentations takes 20  
>> minutes and
>> we have 15-20 minutes of discussion this meeting will get kinda long.
>> Peter, Michael, Troy, will 20-30 minutes each not counting  
>> discussion be
>> enough?  Let me know.  We also need to figure out the date.  I  
>> vote for the
>> 12th of Feb to give our presenters plenty of time to prepare.  Let  
>> me know
>> if this date has major problems by the end of this week.  I want  
>> to put the
>> event on the site ASAP.
>
> I have to admit it seems a bit (or a lot?) cramped, but we can always
> whet appetites for a longer March presentation, if necessary. :)
>
> I'm available both first and second Mondays.  I kind of prefer the
> first so as to stay in sync with the whole first Monday thing.
>
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan 16 12:14:30 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:14:30 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701160822s35056388n7c2942369bdfedd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFC28EB39C.29C9BDFE-ON86257265.005E0ACC-06257265.005EB622@thoughtworks.com>

I was hoping for the second mon.  I'm going to be flying back from Canada 
the sunday night before the first monday and thought I might be a bit 
tired and busy getting caught up after a vacation...  but if everyone 
thinks the first monday is best, I can make it happen.

Does anyone else think 3 presentations is too many?  I look forward to the 
variety, and besides, a 30 minute presentation is on the outside limit of 
my attention span ;)
Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/16/2007 
10:22:32 AM:

> On 1/16/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > I hope I didn't miss anyone's vote.  Looks like Capistrano,  memcache, 
and
> > starfish are it for the Feb. meeting.  I doubt we will have time for 
doing
> > anything else, in fact if each of these presentations takes 20 minutes 
and
> > we have 15-20 minutes of discussion this meeting will get kinda long.
> > Peter, Michael, Troy, will 20-30 minutes each not counting discussion 
be
> > enough?  Let me know.  We also need to figure out the date.  I vote 
for the
> > 12th of Feb to give our presenters plenty of time to prepare.  Let me 
know
> > if this date has major problems by the end of this week.  I want to 
put the
> > event on the site ASAP.
> 
> I have to admit it seems a bit (or a lot?) cramped, but we can always
> whet appetites for a longer March presentation, if necessary. :)
> 
> I'm available both first and second Mondays.  I kind of prefer the
> first so as to stay in sync with the whole first Monday thing.
> 
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
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From peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 12:19:31 2007
From: peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com (Peter Fitzgibbons)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:19:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <CF91EA37-3429-4B28-A766-2C7DDF2D7329@gmail.com>

Can you direct me to when/where for this?

Peter Fitzgibbons
peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com



On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

>
> So I've recieved some feedback on our most recent meeting.  What  
> I've heard is that at the January meeting there just wasn't enough  
> Ruby.  I agree with this, but don't think that we have a real  
> problem, we just need to plan and prepare a bit more.  With that in  
> mind I say we solidify the agenda for our next meeting asap.
>
> Here are the presentations planned for next time:
>
> Peter presents starfish
> Michael presents capistrano
>
> One great element that has been missing from meetings as of late is  
> actual coding.  Let's bring back the codefest!  I vote for doing a  
> ruby quiz together.  Either the classic rock paper scissor one  
> http://rubyquiz.com/quiz16.html or code cleaning http:// 
> rubyquiz.com/quiz26.html  What do you think?
>
> PS i'll post the results of all the surveys we took somewhere soon.
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
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From paytonrules at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 12:39:59 2007
From: paytonrules at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:39:59 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <CF91EA37-3429-4B28-A766-2C7DDF2D7329@gmail.com>
References: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com>
	<CF91EA37-3429-4B28-A766-2C7DDF2D7329@gmail.com>
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My Mondays are tied up for the immediate future.  Are there notes taken at
these regularly?

On 1/16/07, Peter Fitzgibbons <peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can you direct me to when/where for this?
> Peter Fitzgibbons
> peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
>
>
> So I've recieved some feedback on our most recent meeting.  What I've
> heard is that at the January meeting there just wasn't enough Ruby.  I agree
> with this, but don't think that we have a real problem, we just need to plan
> and prepare a bit more.  With that in mind I say we solidify the agenda for
> our next meeting asap.
>
> Here are the presentations planned for next time:
>
> Peter presents starfish
> Michael presents capistrano
>
> One great element that has been missing from meetings as of late is actual
> coding.  Let's bring back the codefest!  I vote for doing a ruby quiz
> together.  Either the classic rock paper scissor one
> http://rubyquiz.com/quiz16.html or code cleaning
> http://rubyquiz.com/quiz26.html  What do you think?
>
> PS i'll post the results of all the surveys we took somewhere soon.
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan 16 13:08:02 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:08:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <CF91EA37-3429-4B28-A766-2C7DDF2D7329@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF66E97C06.76B70909-ON86257265.00638685-06257265.00639D3F@thoughtworks.com>

> Can you direct me to when/where for this?
 
Are you asking about the ruby quiz code fest?  Or the results of the the 
surveys?  I'm unclear about the context of "this"

> 
> Peter Fitzgibbons
> peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com
> 
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
> 
> 
> So I've recieved some feedback on our most recent meeting.  What I've 
> heard is that at the January meeting there just wasn't enough Ruby.  I
> agree with this, but don't think that we have a real problem, we just 
> need to plan and prepare a bit more.  With that in mind I say we 
> solidify the agenda for our next meeting asap. 
> 
> Here are the presentations planned for next time: 
> 
> Peter presents starfish 
> Michael presents capistrano 
> 
> One great element that has been missing from meetings as of late is 
> actual coding.  Let's bring back the codefest!  I vote for doing a 
> ruby quiz together.  Either the classic rock paper scissor one http:
> //rubyquiz.com/quiz16.html or code cleaning 
http://rubyquiz.com/quiz26.html
>  What do you think? 
> 
> PS i'll post the results of all the surveys we took somewhere soon. 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan 16 13:17:50 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:17:50 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <f797531d0701160939g6d309766nbd962427f5ef3533@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF4AFD2347.8CDA7102-ON86257265.0063A080-06257265.006482B9@thoughtworks.com>

> My Mondays are tied up for the immediate future.  Are there notes 
> taken at these regularly?

Lately people have been blogging about what goes down at CHIRB, but I 
don't know if anyone did it for the last meeting.  I have notes from a 
couple previous meetings.

http://www.cuberick.com/?p=51
http://www.cuberick.com/?p=49

and Brendan Baldwin has some notes here: 

http://www.usergenic.com/2006/12/19/december-chirb-meeting-follow-up/
http://www.usergenic.com/2006/12/18/object-layers/


> On 1/16/07, Peter Fitzgibbons < peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you direct me to when/where for this? 
> 
> Peter Fitzgibbons
> peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com
> 
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
> 
> 
> So I've recieved some feedback on our most recent meeting.  What I've 
> heard is that at the January meeting there just wasn't enough Ruby.  I
> agree with this, but don't think that we have a real problem, we just 
> need to plan and prepare a bit more.  With that in mind I say we 
> solidify the agenda for our next meeting asap. 
> 
> Here are the presentations planned for next time: 
> 
> Peter presents starfish 
> Michael presents capistrano 
> 
> One great element that has been missing from meetings as of late is 
> actual coding.  Let's bring back the codefest!  I vote for doing a 
> ruby quiz together.  Either the classic rock paper scissor one http:
> //rubyquiz.com/quiz16.html or code cleaning 
http://rubyquiz.com/quiz26.html
> What do you think? 
> 
> PS i'll post the results of all the surveys we took somewhere soon. 
> 
> Josh Cronemeyer
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From jbreen at centerpost.com  Tue Jan 16 15:17:20 2007
From: jbreen at centerpost.com (Jim Breen)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:17:20 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
References: <OFC28EB39C.29C9BDFE-ON86257265.005E0ACC-06257265.005EB622@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D128ED@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>

I'm fine with Feb 12, but would prefer that the meetings go back to the
first monday by March.
 
I think 3 presentations will make the meeting run too long unless
everything starts promptly and the switch between presenters is quick.
Do the speakers themselves have a feel for whether their material will
easily fit into a 30 minute (or shorter) slot?
 
Jim

________________________________

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Josh Cronemeyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:14 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.



I was hoping for the second mon.  I'm going to be flying back from
Canada the sunday night before the first monday and thought I might be a
bit tired and busy getting caught up after a vacation...  but if
everyone thinks the first monday is best, I can make it happen. 

Does anyone else think 3 presentations is too many?  I look forward to
the variety, and besides, a 30 minute presentation is on the outside
limit of my attention span ;) 
Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/16/2007
10:22:32 AM:

> On 1/16/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> >
> > I hope I didn't miss anyone's vote.  Looks like Capistrano,
memcache, and
> > starfish are it for the Feb. meeting.  I doubt we will have time for
doing
> > anything else, in fact if each of these presentations takes 20
minutes and
> > we have 15-20 minutes of discussion this meeting will get kinda
long.
> > Peter, Michael, Troy, will 20-30 minutes each not counting
discussion be
> > enough?  Let me know.  We also need to figure out the date.  I vote
for the
> > 12th of Feb to give our presenters plenty of time to prepare.  Let
me know
> > if this date has major problems by the end of this week.  I want to
put the
> > event on the site ASAP.
> 
> I have to admit it seems a bit (or a lot?) cramped, but we can always
> whet appetites for a longer March presentation, if necessary. :)
> 
> I'm available both first and second Mondays.  I kind of prefer the
> first so as to stay in sync with the whole first Monday thing.
> 
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan 16 19:57:32 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:57:32 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D128ED@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
References: <OFC28EB39C.29C9BDFE-ON86257265.005E0ACC-06257265.005EB622@thoughtworks.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D128ED@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
Message-ID: <406d2d610701161657j7b3d59f0ud8627fb889a82c80@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/16/07, Jim Breen <jbreen at centerpost.com> wrote:
>
> I'm fine with Feb 12, but would prefer that the meetings go back to the
> first monday by March.
>
> I think 3 presentations will make the meeting run too long unless everything
> starts promptly and the switch between presenters is quick.  Do the speakers
> themselves have a feel for whether their material will easily fit into a 30
> minute (or shorter) slot?

I think 30 minutes is too short, but I don't have a presentation
drafted yet to know for sure.  I will keep it to 30 minutes if that's
the time I'm given, but I can't be held responsible for how long the
QuestionsMob keeps the presentation alive after that! ;)

--Michael

From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Jan 16 20:09:50 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:09:50 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701161657j7b3d59f0ud8627fb889a82c80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OFC28EB39C.29C9BDFE-ON86257265.005E0ACC-06257265.005EB622@thoughtworks.com><3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D128ED@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<406d2d610701161657j7b3d59f0ud8627fb889a82c80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5A50@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

I think my Starfish presentation will be short (20 minutes or so, not
including question). It is probably best for me to go first, so I can
"donate" 10 minutes to Michael.

I am flexible on the meeting date.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Michael H Buselli
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:58 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.

On 1/16/07, Jim Breen <jbreen at centerpost.com> wrote:
>
> I'm fine with Feb 12, but would prefer that the meetings go back to
the
> first monday by March.
>
> I think 3 presentations will make the meeting run too long unless
everything
> starts promptly and the switch between presenters is quick.  Do the
speakers
> themselves have a feel for whether their material will easily fit into
a 30
> minute (or shorter) slot?

I think 30 minutes is too short, but I don't have a presentation
drafted yet to know for sure.  I will keep it to 30 minutes if that's
the time I'm given, but I can't be held responsible for how long the
QuestionsMob keeps the presentation alive after that! ;)

--Michael
_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Jan 16 20:12:01 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
In-Reply-To: <f797531d0701160939g6d309766nbd962427f5ef3533@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF1B065094.F442C11A-ON8625725E.001AC4C1-8625725E.001F6529@thoughtworks.com><CF91EA37-3429-4B28-A766-2C7DDF2D7329@gmail.com>
	<f797531d0701160939g6d309766nbd962427f5ef3533@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5A51@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Eric,

Check out Josh (http://www.cuberick.com/) and Brandon's blogs (http://www.usergenic.com/) - they both blog about Chirb meetings.

My presentation is too short for any short of "slides," but other presenters may have notes of their own.

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:40 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.

My Mondays are tied up for the immediate future.? Are there notes taken at these regularly?
On 1/16/07, Peter Fitzgibbons < peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com> wrote:
Can you direct me to when/where for this? 

Peter Fitzgibbons
peter.fitzgibbons at gmail.com




On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:



So I've recieved some feedback on our most recent meeting. ?What I've heard is that at the January meeting there just wasn't enough Ruby. ?I agree with this, but don't think that we have a real problem, we just need to plan and prepare a bit more. ?With that in mind I say we solidify the agenda for our next meeting asap. 

Here are the presentations planned for next time: 

Peter presents starfish 
Michael presents capistrano 

One great element that has been missing from meetings as of late is actual coding. ?Let's bring back the codefest! ?I vote for doing a ruby quiz together. ?Either the classic rock paper scissor one http://rubyquiz.com/quiz16.html or code cleaning http://rubyquiz.com/quiz26.html ?What do you think? 

PS i'll post the results of all the surveys we took somewhere soon. 

Josh Cronemeyer
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From ryan at platte.name  Wed Jan 17 12:04:48 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:04:48 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701170904n3b98e579u2dbd50914c268047@mail.gmail.com>

http://rubycocoa.sourceforge.net/doc/unstable/

Via Daring Fireball, RubyCocoa's going into the next Mac OS X release!

w000000000000000000t!

Daring Fireball link:

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/january#tue-16-rubycocoa_10_sp

This is a *wonderful* development for the Ruby community. If you've used
RubyCocoa, you know it's the good stuff. Not Nestle Quik, we're talking the
expensive dark chocolate here.

Now then, can we please schedule master Mac hacker Wolf to show us what he
wants to show us?

-- 
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From natebkirby at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 17 12:39:05 2007
From: natebkirby at yahoo.com (Nate Kirby)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:39:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701170904n3b98e579u2dbd50914c268047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <463288.11450.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ryan,

Will cocoa (or a RubyCocoa implementation) ever be available on the evil emperor's dark side OS?

Nate

Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote: http://rubycocoa.sourceforge.net/doc/unstable/

Via Daring Fireball, RubyCocoa's going into the next Mac OS X release!

w000000000000000000t!
 
Daring Fireball link:

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/january#tue-16-rubycocoa_10_sp

This is a *wonderful* development for the Ruby community. If you've used RubyCocoa, you know it's the good stuff. Not Nestle Quik, we're talking the expensive dark chocolate here. 

Now then, can we please schedule master Mac hacker Wolf to show us what he wants to show us?

-- 
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From cremes.devlist at mac.com  Wed Jan 17 13:02:06 2007
From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (cremes.devlist at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:02:06 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <463288.11450.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <463288.11450.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E6263CF4-69A6-4B27-BD21-45143D969360@mac.com>


On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Nate Kirby wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> Will cocoa (or a RubyCocoa implementation) ever be available on the  
> evil emperor's dark side OS?
>
> Nate
>
> Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote:
> http://rubycocoa.sourceforge.net/doc/unstable/
>
> Via Daring Fireball, RubyCocoa's going into the next Mac OS X release!
>
> w000000000000000000t!
>
> Daring Fireball link:
>
> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/january#tue-16-rubycocoa_10_sp
>
> This is a *wonderful* development for the Ruby community. If you've  
> used RubyCocoa, you know it's the good stuff. Not Nestle Quik,  
> we're talking the expensive dark chocolate here.
>
> Now then, can we please schedule master Mac hacker Wolf to show us  
> what he wants to show us?
>

I wouldn't bet on it. The closest we might see is adding a ruby/ 
objective-C bridge to Windows and using something like Cocotron [1]  
or GNUStep [2].

cr

[1] http://cocotron.com/
[2] http://gnustep.org/
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From ng at johnwlong.com  Wed Jan 17 12:40:08 2007
From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:40:08 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701170904n3b98e579u2dbd50914c268047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701170904n3b98e579u2dbd50914c268047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45AE5F78.8090605@johnwlong.com>

Ryan Platte wrote:
> This is a *wonderful* development for the Ruby community. If you've used
> RubyCocoa, you know it's the good stuff. Not Nestle Quik, we're talking the
> expensive dark chocolate here.

Yup, the developer of RubyOSA is employed by Apple to maintain Ruby on 
OSX. He presented at Ruby Conf last fall and is very open to suggestions 
for libraries that should be included in the distribution.

--
John Long
http://wiseheartdesign.com

From nil at redshed.net  Wed Jan 17 13:08:48 2007
From: nil at redshed.net (Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:08:48 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <463288.11450.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b02020003-1048-i386-03DFA0B9419443529702AB912BA53319@wolf-mbp17.local>

natebkirby at yahoo.com (Nate Kirby) wrote:
>Will cocoa (or a RubyCocoa implementation) ever be available on 
>the evil emperor's dark side OS?

<http://www.cocotron.org>

| Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
| Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
|     "better" necessarily means "different"


From nil at redshed.net  Wed Jan 17 13:09:46 2007
From: nil at redshed.net (Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:09:46 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701170904n3b98e579u2dbd50914c268047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02020003-1048-i386-3FD09BC1A6DF4BE18A8D4229F8759C3F@wolf-mbp17.local>

ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) wrote:

>Now then, can we please schedule master Mac hacker Wolf to show us what he
>wants to show us?

It will need to be after 10.5 ships. To my knowledge, that date 
hasn't been announced yet :-/

| Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
| Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
|     "better" necessarily means "different"


From ryan at platte.name  Wed Jan 17 16:43:31 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:43:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <463288.11450.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701170904n3b98e579u2dbd50914c268047@mail.gmail.com>
	<463288.11450.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701171343w20d786d6m4061728cbc330962@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/07, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> Will cocoa (or a RubyCocoa implementation) ever be available on the evil
> emperor's dark side OS?
>

Nah.

This just means Ruby gets into the club of languages you can use to build a
fully integrated OS X app. If you make a nice and robust model layer, and
push as much behavior as possible out of the objects that hook up directly
to the various platforms' toolkits, you'll be able to write fairly thin OS
X, Windows, and GTK/Qt interface code and have it work correctly.

But don't be jealous, Ruby has been much better integrated into both Windows
and Linux than into OS X till now.

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From natebkirby at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 17 17:08:41 2007
From: natebkirby at yahoo.com (Nate Kirby)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:08:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701171343w20d786d6m4061728cbc330962@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <485291.41025.qm@web83009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote: On 1/17/07, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote: Ryan,

Will cocoa (or a RubyCocoa implementation) ever be available on the evil emperor's dark side OS?


Nah. 

This just means Ruby gets into the club of languages you can use to build a fully integrated OS X app. If you make a nice and robust model layer, and push as much behavior as possible out of the objects that hook up directly to the various platforms' toolkits, you'll be able to write fairly thin OS X, Windows, and GTK/Qt interface code and have it work correctly. 

But don't be jealous, Ruby has been much better integrated into both Windows and Linux than into OS X till now.

Not meaning to be jealous, and while it works fxRuby is not the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.  Perhaps I have not investigated all the Ruby tools for created standalone desktop apps.

Nate



Nate Kirby
Principal
Practical Strategies Inc. 
 
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From natebkirby at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 17 17:08:50 2007
From: natebkirby at yahoo.com (Nate Kirby)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:08:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701171343w20d786d6m4061728cbc330962@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070117220850.49680.qmail@web83009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote: On 1/17/07, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote: Ryan,

Will cocoa (or a RubyCocoa implementation) ever be available on the evil emperor's dark side OS?


Nah. 

This just means Ruby gets into the club of languages you can use to build a fully integrated OS X app. If you make a nice and robust model layer, and push as much behavior as possible out of the objects that hook up directly to the various platforms' toolkits, you'll be able to write fairly thin OS X, Windows, and GTK/Qt interface code and have it work correctly. 

But don't be jealous, Ruby has been much better integrated into both Windows and Linux than into OS X till now.

Not meaning to be jealous, and while it works fxRuby is not the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.  Perhaps I have not investigated all the Ruby tools for created standalone desktop apps.

Nate



Nate Kirby
Principal
Practical Strategies Inc. 
 
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From steve at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 18 11:12:09 2007
From: steve at northwestern.edu (Steve DiDomenico)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:12:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
Message-ID: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>

Hello all,

This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is  
any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's  
online training that's decent?

I've been Googling a bit and I'm not quite finding what I'm looking  
for. I don't have a group together so it would be difficult to have a  
consultant come in, and my budget is limited (so I can't fly out to a  
different city).

I noticed that Pragmatic Studio is having an advanced training  
session here in March, but unfortunately it's sold out (I think I'd  
rather start with the basics at this point anyhoo).

Feel free to reply if you have any recommendations. Thanks!
Steve


From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 11:42:15 2007
From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:42:15 -0800
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> online training that's decent?

You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training

From jeff.barczewski at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 11:50:39 2007
From: jeff.barczewski at gmail.com (Jeff Barczewski)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:50:39 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <19cda190701180850s2ff10022pa75a91403085d1fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> online training that's decent?
>
> I've been Googling a bit and I'm not quite finding what I'm looking
> for. I don't have a group together so it would be difficult to have a
> consultant come in, and my budget is limited (so I can't fly out to a
> different city).
>
> I noticed that Pragmatic Studio is having an advanced training
> session here in March, but unfortunately it's sold out (I think I'd
> rather start with the basics at this point anyhoo).
>
> Feel free to reply if you have any recommendations. Thanks!
> Steve
>
> _



Steve,

Although it is a little bit of a drive, my partner, Mike Sullivan and I are
offering Ruby/Rails training in St. Louis, MO Feb 22-24, 2007. This will be
a three-day comprehensive workshop on Ruby/Rails plus we will discuss how
JRuby can be used leverage Rails in an enterprise environment with existing
code and infrastructure.  Finally we will also discuss MasterView and other
important plugins and extensions to improve productivity with Rails.

I hadn't yet had an opportunity to send out the announcement to the list,
but we do have a special $200 discount for Chicago Ruby group members and
their friends. Use coupon code CHIRUBY to receive the discount which is good
off all of our rates except the group rate which is already discounted
heavily.

Learn more and register here
http://inspiredhorizons.com/training/rails

We would love to have you join us!!

-- 
Jeff Barczewski, MasterView project founder
Inspired Horizons Ruby on Rails Training and Consultancy
Next Ruby on Rails plus JRuby workshop Feb 22-24 St. Louis, MO
Limited seating, register now!
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From dave at obtiva.com  Thu Jan 18 11:59:43 2007
From: dave at obtiva.com (Dave Hoover)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:59:43 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
	<72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11c8704e0701180859s7a99ea52p80755507ec179714@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/07, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> > any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> > online training that's decent?
>
> You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
> excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training

Gee, thanks Chris.  You beat me to it!

Steve, feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

From ryan at platte.name  Thu Jan 18 12:08:13 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:08:13 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <20070117220850.49680.qmail@web83009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701171343w20d786d6m4061728cbc330962@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070117220850.49680.qmail@web83009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701180908u367279a7p2c45dccb92d834f5@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/07, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not meaning to be jealous, and while it works fxRuby is not the most
> beautiful thing I have ever seen.  Perhaps I have not investigated all the
> Ruby tools for created standalone desktop apps.


In addition to FXRuby, there's WIN32OLE, Ruby/Tk (which I believe is
installed with the one-click Windows installer), wxRuby, and even RubyGTK
and Qt. All of those work on Windows, and all but WIN32OLE work on Linux.

Wasn't accusing you of jealousy, btw, just saying other platforms have a lot
more choices (and until now, better ones) than the Mac has had.

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 12:14:23 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:14:23 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
	<72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46be9d20701180914k3dd18db4jb0e66b1bf08f2a7c@mail.gmail.com>

I am also looking for training in Ruby and Rails
Obtiva's Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp class looks like some of what I need.
I have a web app I would like to launch.  I've written a text based
Ruby version of it.  It takes YAML files in and outputs YAML.  I want
to make it web based.
I need a class that teaches me how to set up a computer to be my
development server.  Then I need training on how to take that
development app and launch it.  Is there a class that goes into this
from a Rails perspective.
I do not want a Rails for Enterprises class.  I want a Rails for
hobbyists and tiny businesses class.

Scott



On 1/18/07, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> > any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> > online training that's decent?
>
> You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
> excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 12:16:38 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:16:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <46be9d20701180916ta111034l664e849a67fe2b8d@mail.gmail.com>

Steve did you want a Rails class or an in depth Ruby class?

Scott


On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> online training that's decent?
>
> I've been Googling a bit and I'm not quite finding what I'm looking
> for. I don't have a group together so it would be difficult to have a
> consultant come in, and my budget is limited (so I can't fly out to a
> different city).
>
> I noticed that Pragmatic Studio is having an advanced training
> session here in March, but unfortunately it's sold out (I think I'd
> rather start with the basics at this point anyhoo).
>
> Feel free to reply if you have any recommendations. Thanks!
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From natebkirby at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 12:15:35 2007
From: natebkirby at yahoo.com (Nate Kirby)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:15:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701180908u367279a7p2c45dccb92d834f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <821288.46042.qm@web82609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote: On 1/17/07, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote: 
Not meaning to be jealous, and while it works fxRuby is not the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.  Perhaps I have not investigated all the Ruby tools for created standalone desktop apps. 
In addition to FXRuby, there's WIN32OLE, Ruby/Tk (which I believe is installed with the one-click Windows installer), wxRuby, and even RubyGTK and Qt. All of those work on Windows, and all but WIN32OLE work on Linux. 



Wasn't accusing you of jealousy, btw, just saying other platforms have a lot more choices (and until now, better ones) than the Mac has had.

Really.  I have always associated the mac with excellent UI and good tools to support the excellent UI creation.

Which platforms do you think have better UI toolkits than you find on the mac?




Nate Kirby
Principal
Practical Strategies Inc. 
 
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From scott.gose at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 12:36:10 2007
From: scott.gose at gmail.com (Scott Gose)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:36:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
Message-ID: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>

Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
haven't looked back since seeing rails.

-scott

From andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com  Thu Jan 18 12:40:34 2007
From: andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com (Andrew Thornton)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:40:34 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>

I would be down. How far north are you thinking?

On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:

> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 12:45:31 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:45:31 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>

i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
the west loop...



On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>
> > Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> > to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> > Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> > apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> > are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> > haven't looked back since seeing rails.
> >
> > -scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From sarah at fabled.net  Thu Jan 18 12:41:43 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:41:43 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45AFB157.4000901@fabled.net>

Yes.  I'm in the same boat and am up on the north side. 

Scott Gose wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>   

From carmelyne at pwim.com  Thu Jan 18 12:43:02 2007
From: carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:43:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45AFB1A6.2040505@pwim.com>

I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).

:)

- Carmelyne


Scott Gose wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 13:04:06 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:04:06 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>

well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..


On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> the west loop...
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
> > I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
> >
> > > Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> > > to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> > > Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> > > apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> > > are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> > > haven't looked back since seeing rails.
> > >
> > > -scott
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 13:10:07 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>

For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g

What day of the week is best for people?


On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>
>
> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> > the west loop...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
> > > I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
> > >
> > > On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> > > > to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> > > > Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> > > > apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> > > > are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> > > > haven't looked back since seeing rails.
> > > >
> > > > -scott
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From tet11_2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 18 13:12:09 2007
From: tet11_2001 at yahoo.com (Nick)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:12:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
Message-ID: <20070118181209.85661.qmail@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve,

I took Obtiva's Ruby on Rails TDD Bootcamp in the fall and would highly recommend it.  The class was a great way to learn the framework and TDD.  Everyone was very friendly and helpful and I learned quit a bit.

Best,
-Nick Malnick

----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Hoover <dave at obtiva.com>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:59:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?

On 1/18/07, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> > any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> > online training that's decent?
>
> You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
> excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training

Gee, thanks Chris.  You beat me to it!

Steve, feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list




From scott.gose at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 13:15:01 2007
From: scott.gose at gmail.com (Scott Gose)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:15:01 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>

I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
midnight so anytime is fine with me.

On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>
> What day of the week is best for people?
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> > lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> > php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> > at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
> >
> >
> > On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> > > the west loop...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
> > > > I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> > > > > to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> > > > > Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> > > > > apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> > > > > are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> > > > > haven't looked back since seeing rails.
> > > > >
> > > > > -scott
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 13:20:44 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:20:44 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>

I could meet 7:30 to 9.

Scott

On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
> > http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
> >
> > What day of the week is best for people?
> >
> >
> > On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> > > lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> > > php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> > > at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> > > > the west loop...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
> > > > > I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> > > > > > to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> > > > > > Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> > > > > > apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> > > > > > are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> > > > > > haven't looked back since seeing rails.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -scott
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> > > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> > > http://CodeSnipers.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From sarah at fabled.net  Thu Jan 18 13:46:27 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:46:27 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>	<f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45AFC083.8040907@fabled.net>

Hi ---

I can meet tonight too. I might not be able to get there till 8/8:15, 
but can hang out till late after that. I'll look for a table of guys 
w/laptops and if no one else is there,  I'll work on stuff on my own.

Scott Althoff wrote:
> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
>> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>>
>> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
>>> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>>>
>>> What day of the week is best for people?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
>>>> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
>>>> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
>>>> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
>>>>> the west loop...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
>>>>>>> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
>>>>>>> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
>>>>>>> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
>>>>>>> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
>>>>>>> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -scott
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
>>>> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
>>>> http://CodeSnipers.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
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From ryan at platte.name  Thu Jan 18 13:49:28 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:49:28 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] RubyCocoa from Apple, or: what Wolf was referencing
In-Reply-To: <821288.46042.qm@web82609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701180908u367279a7p2c45dccb92d834f5@mail.gmail.com>
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On 1/18/07, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> *Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name>* wrote:
>
> Wasn't accusing you of jealousy, btw, just saying other platforms have a
> lot more choices (and until now, better ones) than the Mac has had.
>
> Really.  I have always associated the mac with excellent UI and good tools
> to support the excellent UI creation.
>
> Which platforms do you think have better UI toolkits than you find on the
> mac?


No, I totally agree, I don't know of anything that beats Apple's UI and
toolset. I'm strictly talking about the *Ruby support* for making UI's on
the various platforms. I'm very excited that Apple has invested in OS X GUIs
using Ruby. RubyCocoa was already great software, but seemed to kinda lag
behind OS X's progress. Now it's got some serious muscle behind it, and look
out!

-- 
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From ryan at platte.name  Thu Jan 18 13:52:44 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:52:44 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
>
> I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).
>
> :)


West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit the new Obtiva offices in
Wheaton for hacking and general geeking out.

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From localuser at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 14:29:01 2007
From: localuser at gmail.com (Ed Chang)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:29:01 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <106a0270701181129r38308a6dl6d339999597e7142@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan,

Excellent - another Wheatie here.

Ed

On 1/18/07, Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote:
>
> On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).
> >
> > :)
>
>
> West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit the new Obtiva offices
> in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking out.
>
> --
> Ryan Platte
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From paytonrules at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 14:34:50 2007
From: paytonrules at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:34:50 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
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	<45AFC083.8040907@fabled.net>
Message-ID: <f797531d0701181134y2e9e4b3bg50e4e5a71ae708a0@mail.gmail.com>

Would be interested if it isn't a Monday or Thursday - since I have classes
then.  Hey I'm multi-faceted!

On 1/18/07, Sarah Gray <sarah at fabled.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi ---
>
> I can meet tonight too. I might not be able to get there till 8/8:15, but
> can hang out till late after that. I'll look for a table of guys w/laptops
> and if no one else is there,  I'll work on stuff on my own.
>
> Scott Althoff wrote:
>
> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>
> What day of the week is best for people?
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>
>
> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> the west loop...
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>
>  I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>
>              Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>  _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>              _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>            --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>          _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>        _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Jan 18 14:31:18 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:31:18 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <106a0270701181129r38308a6dl6d339999597e7142@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<106a0270701181129r38308a6dl6d339999597e7142@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6CD06DB-A82F-424E-8F59-1C3E144C1EF9@petdance.com>


On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Ed Chang wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> Excellent - another Wheatie here.

I would gladly come down for a Wheaton meeting.  I'm in McHenry.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From scott.gose at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 14:52:27 2007
From: scott.gose at gmail.com (Scott Gose)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:52:27 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <45AFC083.8040907@fabled.net>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
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	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>
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	<45AFC083.8040907@fabled.net>
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I'll be there from 7:30 until at least 9 tonight.  If anyone else is
planning on attending please reply so we know how many to expect.

We're meeting at Fixx:  http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g

Fixx Coffee Bar
3053 Sheffield
Chicago, IL 60657

I've got a navy blue North Face and a thinkpad.


On 1/18/07, Sarah Gray <sarah at fabled.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi ---
>
>  I can meet tonight too. I might not be able to get there till 8/8:15, but
> can hang out till late after that. I'll look for a table of guys w/laptops
> and if no one else is there,  I'll work on stuff on my own.
>
>
>  Scott Althoff wrote:
>  I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to. Say at 8? It's open til
> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>
> What day of the week is best for people?
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  well lets do North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>
>
> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> the west loop...
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton
> <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>
>
>  I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>
>
>
>  Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup? I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks. I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it. Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow. I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>  _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>  --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From carmelyne at pwim.com  Thu Jan 18 15:35:03 2007
From: carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:35:03 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <D6CD06DB-A82F-424E-8F59-1C3E144C1EF9@petdance.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>	<106a0270701181129r38308a6dl6d339999597e7142@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6CD06DB-A82F-424E-8F59-1C3E144C1EF9@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <45AFD9F7.8060200@pwim.com>

Count me in.

- Carmelyne

Andy Lester wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Ed Chang wrote:
>
>   
>> Ryan,
>>
>> Excellent - another Wheatie here.
>>     
>
> I would gladly come down for a Wheaton meeting.  I'm in McHenry.
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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>   

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From hubrix at hubrix.com  Thu Jan 18 15:57:25 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:57:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
Message-ID: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>

Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now.
However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in
Chicago and so
I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting. We're located
at 200 W. Jackson.

We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the meeting
in. Can I get some buy in?
I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't think I
would like to hijack the next meeting
but I would like to try for the following one.

I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that I would
be willing to talk about.

1. method_missing magic
      I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will want to
share theirs and discuss possibilities.
2. monads
    ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a discussion

Mark Friedgan
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From ph at malaprop.org  Thu Jan 18 15:29:23 2007
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:29:23 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701181152n72e4b47bn4e02ffc2d4235ab9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>
	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45AFC083.8040907@fabled.net>
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:52:27PM -0600, Scott Gose wrote:
> I'll be there from 7:30 until at least 9 tonight.  If anyone else is
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> 
> We're meeting at Fixx:  http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g

I'll definitely be there, it's very conveniently located for me.
I've built a couple Rails sites, only one of decent size (second link in
sig), and would appreciate having some other folks to bounce code off.

- --
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx  -  http://nearbygamers.com


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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Jan 18 16:00:23 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:00:23 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83CC6E02-3485-43EF-B5AE-CCAC3DF17659@petdance.com>


On Jan 18, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Mark Alexander Friedgan wrote:

> Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now.
> However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby  
> involvement in Chicago and so
> I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting.  
> We're located at 200 W. Jackson.

Would you please post details at http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/ 
index.cgi?upcoming_events when you get it settled down?  I'm sure  
some of Chicago.PM would be interested, too.

Thanks,
xoa

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From cremes.devlist at mac.com  Thu Jan 18 16:49:28 2007
From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (cremes.devlist at mac.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:49:28 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC28FF6E-52AE-4421-943B-4A4480721430@mac.com>


On Jan 18, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Mark Alexander Friedgan wrote:

> Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now.
> However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby  
> involvement in Chicago and so
> I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting.  
> We're located at 200 W. Jackson.
>
> We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the  
> meeting in. Can I get some buy in?
> I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't  
> think I would like to hijack the next meeting
> but I would like to try for the following one.
>
> I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that  
> I would be willing to talk about.
>
> 1. method_missing magic
>       I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will  
> want to share theirs and discuss possibilities.
> 2. monads
>     ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a  
> discussion
>

Sounds good. We could grab some beer from Cal's and maybe even make a  
run to Burrito Buggy. :-)

cr


From cstejerean at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 17:10:02 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:10:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <46be9d20701180914k3dd18db4jb0e66b1bf08f2a7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
	<72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701180914k3dd18db4jb0e66b1bf08f2a7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <276266d0701181410we671308ka7cdebdcd6193cba@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend picking up the Agile Development with Ruby on Rails book

(http://www.amazon.com/Agile-Development-Rails-Dave-Thomas/dp/0977616630/sr=8-1/qid=1169158020/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7111304-9335836?ie=UTF8&s=books)

as you will learn most of what you need in there. In addition you can
lookup some tutorials online. If you feel you need additional
information afterwards you can consider enrolling in a class.

Regards,

Cosmin Stejerean


On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am also looking for training in Ruby and Rails
> Obtiva's Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp class looks like some of what I need.
> I have a web app I would like to launch.  I've written a text based
> Ruby version of it.  It takes YAML files in and outputs YAML.  I want
> to make it web based.
> I need a class that teaches me how to set up a computer to be my
> development server.  Then I need training on how to take that
> development app and launch it.  Is there a class that goes into this
> from a Rails perspective.
> I do not want a Rails for Enterprises class.  I want a Rails for
> hobbyists and tiny businesses class.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> > > any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> > > online training that's decent?
> >
> > You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
> > excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jbreen at centerpost.com  Thu Jan 18 17:31:17 2007
From: jbreen at centerpost.com (Jim Breen)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:31:17 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12BF4@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>

> However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement
in Chicago...
 
What company?


________________________________

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Alexander Friedgan
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting


Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now. 
However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in
Chicago and so
I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting. We're
located at 200 W. Jackson. 

We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the
meeting in. Can I get some buy in?
I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't think I
would like to hijack the next meeting 
but I would like to try for the following one. 

I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that I
would be willing to talk about.

1. method_missing magic
      I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will want to
share theirs and discuss possibilities. 
2. monads 
    ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a
discussion

Mark Friedgan


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From hubrix at hubrix.com  Thu Jan 18 17:50:16 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:50:16 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12BF4@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12BF4@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0701181450k2611270do1e128dc1fd242476@mail.gmail.com>

cashnetusa.com

On 1/18/07, Jim Breen <jbreen at centerpost.com> wrote:
>
>  > However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in
> Chicago...
>
> What company?
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> Alexander Friedgan
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:57 PM
> *To:* Chirb discussion list
> *Subject:* [Chirb] Hosting
>
> Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now.
> However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in
> Chicago and so
> I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting. We're
> located at 200 W. Jackson.
>
> We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the meeting
> in. Can I get some buy in?
> I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't think I
> would like to hijack the next meeting
> but I would like to try for the following one.
>
> I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that I
> would be willing to talk about.
>
> 1. method_missing magic
>       I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will want to
> share theirs and discuss possibilities.
> 2. monads
>     ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a
> discussion
>
> Mark Friedgan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
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From nil at redshed.net  Thu Jan 18 19:34:18 2007
From: nil at redshed.net (Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:34:18 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02020003-1048-i386-DB3D97AED2CC4373AC682CA7AABF93CC@wolf-mbp17.local>

carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson) wrote:
>I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).

ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) wrote:
>West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit the new Obtiva offices in
>Wheaton for hacking and general geeking out.

I'm in Schaumburg, so Wheaton splits the difference between 
Naperville. I'd attend if we can achieve schedule mesh. It would 
be relaxing going to a meeting I'm not giving ;-)

| Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
| Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
|     "better" necessarily means "different"


From dave at obtiva.com  Thu Jan 18 19:42:05 2007
From: dave at obtiva.com (Dave Hoover)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:42:05 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <b02020003-1048-i386-DB3D97AED2CC4373AC682CA7AABF93CC@wolf-mbp17.local>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b02020003-1048-i386-DB3D97AED2CC4373AC682CA7AABF93CC@wolf-mbp17.local>
Message-ID: <11c8704e0701181642m46466339kce640bd717b9fb78@mail.gmail.com>

You can count me in.  It couldn't get much more convenient.

On 1/18/07, Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch <nil at redshed.net> wrote:
> carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson) wrote:
> >I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).
>
> ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte) wrote:
> >West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit the new Obtiva offices in
> >Wheaton for hacking and general geeking out.
>
> I'm in Schaumburg, so Wheaton splits the difference between
> Naperville. I'd attend if we can achieve schedule mesh. It would
> be relaxing going to a meeting I'm not giving ;-)
>
> | Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
> | Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
> |     "better" necessarily means "different"
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From paytonrules at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 00:03:38 2007
From: paytonrules at gmail.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:03:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
In-Reply-To: <276266d0701181410we671308ka7cdebdcd6193cba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1A2EF51-4FDC-4AA0-85A8-CA8503E65ACB@northwestern.edu>
	<72799cd70701180842h785658e0nd77aac1866a8bc15@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701180914k3dd18db4jb0e66b1bf08f2a7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<276266d0701181410we671308ka7cdebdcd6193cba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f797531d0701182103m619fda67hddd516a8c7c8308a@mail.gmail.com>

If you do that buy it from the pragmatic programmers directly at
http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/.  You have access to the .pdf
version then as well as updates.

On 1/18/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com > wrote:
> I would recommend picking up the Agile Development with Ruby on Rails book
>
> (http://www.amazon.com/Agile-Development-Rails-Dave-Thomas/dp/0977616630/sr=8-1/qid=1169158020/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7111304-9335836?ie=UTF8&s=books )
>
> as you will learn most of what you need in there. In addition you can
> lookup some tutorials online. If you feel you need additional
> information afterwards you can consider enrolling in a class.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am also looking for training in Ruby and Rails
> > Obtiva's Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp class looks like some of what I need.
> > I have a web app I would like to launch.  I've written a text based
> > Ruby version of it.  It takes YAML files in and outputs YAML.  I want
> > to make it web based.
> > I need a class that teaches me how to set up a computer to be my
> > development server.  Then I need training on how to take that
> > development app and launch it.  Is there a class that goes into this
> > from a Rails perspective.
> > I do not want a Rails for Enterprises class.  I want a Rails for
> > hobbyists and tiny businesses class.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/18/07, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
> > > > any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
> > > > online training that's decent?
> > >
> > > You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
> > > excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >  ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From wrfroelich at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 19 00:21:51 2007
From: wrfroelich at yahoo.com (Bill Froelich)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:21:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
Message-ID: <20070119052151.51516.qmail@web36609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Barring a conflicting event I would be interested in something out in the Western Suburbs (I'm in Naperville).

--Bill

----- Original Message ----
From: Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name>
To: Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:52:44 PM
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs

On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).

:)
West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit the new Obtiva offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking out.  




-- 
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_______________________________________________
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From jromeh at aol.com  Fri Jan 19 00:46:04 2007
From: jromeh at aol.com (Jerome Hughes)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:46:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f1a1dcb0701181052s65e859d0oacb878afe709cd1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7355288-C05F-459D-ACBC-52DF94BDA0C0@aol.com>


will be rolling the Prairie Path to Wheaton from Elmhurst

will eventually attend downtown, too, though haven't quite gotten it  
to happen yet

--Jerome

On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:

> On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
> I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs (around Naperville).
>
> :)
>
> West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit the new Obtiva  
> offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking out.
>
> -- 
> Ryan Platte
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


From viv4ce at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 19 02:16:56 2007
From: viv4ce at yahoo.com (Victoria Wang)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:16:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <C7355288-C05F-459D-ACBC-52DF94BDA0C0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070119071656.32070.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Another Napervillian here.  Count me in :)

-Victoria


--- Jerome Hughes <jromeh at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> will be rolling the Prairie Path to Wheaton from
> Elmhurst
> 
> will eventually attend downtown, too, though haven't
> quite gotten it  
> to happen yet
> 
> --Jerome
> 
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:
> 
> > On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson
> <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
> > I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs
> (around Naperville).
> >
> > :)
> >
> > West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit
> the new Obtiva  
> > offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking
> out.
> >
> > -- 
> > Ryan Platte




 
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From leon at chism.org  Fri Jan 19 09:43:58 2007
From: leon at chism.org (Leon Chism)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:43:58 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <20070119071656.32070.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <20070119071656.32070.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1C7A84E-B981-4F9F-B21F-061CD1779D19@chism.org>

I'm in Glen Ellyn, so Wheaton is just a rounding error. Plus it  
sounds like we have a host volunteer.

- leon

On Jan 19, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Victoria Wang wrote:

> Another Napervillian here.  Count me in :)
>
> -Victoria
>
>
> --- Jerome Hughes <jromeh at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> will be rolling the Prairie Path to Wheaton from
>> Elmhurst
>>
>> will eventually attend downtown, too, though haven't
>> quite gotten it
>> to happen yet
>>
>> --Jerome
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson
>> <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
>>> I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs
>> (around Naperville).
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit
>> the new Obtiva
>>> offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking
>> out.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ryan Platte
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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From andy at petdance.com  Fri Jan 19 10:35:49 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:35:49 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] My first working Ruby code
Message-ID: <51941C08-248C-437D-B50B-34C8C8723C0F@petdance.com>

I converted my little want list page generator from Perl into Ruby,  
and here's what I got.  I welcome your comments and suggestions for  
improvements.

xoxo,
Andy


#!/usr/bin/ruby -W
# Generates http://petdance.com/wants/

require 'cgi'
require 'rdoc/template'

books = Items.new( 'Book', 'books.txt' );
cds = Items.new( 'CD', 'cds.txt' );
movies = Items.new( 'Movie', 'movies-rent.txt' );

HTML = %{
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en-US" xml:lang="en- 
US">
<head>
<title>Andy&#39;s Want List</title>
<link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="wants.css" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;  
charset=iso-8859-1" />
</head>
<body>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" border="1">
<tr valign="top"><th>CDs</th> <th>Books</th></tr>
<tr valign="top">
     <td width="55%">
START:cds
<p><b>%author%</b>: %titles%</p>
END:cds
     </td>
     <td width="55%">
START:books
     <p><b>%title%</b>, by %author%</p>
END:books
     </td>
</tr>
<tr>
     <th colspan=2>Movies to rent</th>
</tr>
<tr>
     <td colspan=2>
START:movies
     <p>
     <b><font face="Tahoma" size="+1">%index_letter%</font></b> %titles%
     </p>
END:movies
     </td>
</tr>
</body>
</html>
}

data = {
     'cds' => cds.titles_by_author,
     'books' => books.titles,
     'movies' => movies.titles_by_letter,
}

cgi = CGI.new( 'html4' )
cgi.header( 'type' => 'text/html' )
t = TemplatePage.new(HTML)
t.write_html_on(STDOUT,data)





class Items
     def initialize( classname, filename )
         file = File.open(filename, 'r')
         @items = []
         artist_line = nil
         file.each_line { |line|
             line.chomp!
             item = nil
             case classname
             when 'CD'
                 if ( line.sub!( /^\s+/, '' ) )
                     item = CD.new( artist_line, line )
                 else
                     artist_line = line
                 end
             when 'Book'
                 item = Book.new( line )
                 artist_line = nil
             when 'Movie'
                 item = Movie.new( line )
                 artist_line = nil
             else
                 die "Unknown classname #{classname}\n"
             end # case

             @items.push( item ) if item
         } # each_line
     end

     def titles()
         return @items.map { |item|
             { 'title' => item.title_display, 'author' =>  
item.author_display }
         }
     end

     def titles_by_letter()
         letters = Hash.new
         sorted = @items.sort{ |a,b| a.title_sortkey <=>  
b.title_sortkey }
         sorted.each { |item|
             letter = item.title_sortkey[0,1]
             letters[letter] ||= Array.new
             letters[letter] << item
         }
         letters.keys.sort.each { |letter|
             letters[letter] = letters[letter].map{|x| 
x.title_display}.join( ', ' )
         }

         return letters.keys.sort.map { |letter|
             { 'index_letter' => letter, 'titles' => letters[letter] }
         }
     end

     def titles_by_author()
         works = Hash.new
         @items.each { |item|
             tuple = [ item.author_sortkey, item.author_display ]
             works[tuple] ||= Array.new
             works[tuple] << item.title_display
         }

         authors = works.keys.sort{ |a,b| a[0] <=> b[0] }
         return authors.map { |tuple|
             { 'author' => tuple[1], 'titles' => works[tuple].join 
( '; ' ) }
         }
     end
end


class Item
     def title_display()
         return @title
     end

     def author_display()
         return @author ? @author.sub( /\^/, '' ) : ''
     end

     def title_sortkey()
         return @title.sub( /^(A|An|The) /, '' )
     end

     def author_sortkey()
         key = @author.dup
         key.sub!( /^The /, '' )
         key.sub!( /(.+)\^(.+)/, '\2 \1' )

         return key
     end
end

class Book < Item
     def initialize( line )
         line =~ /(.+), by (.+)/
         @title = $1
         @author = $2
         if ( @author.sub!( / \((.+)\)/, '' ) )
             @isbn = $1
         else
             @isbn = nil
         end
     end
end

class CD < Item
     def initialize( artist_line, title_line )
         @author = artist_line
         @title = title_line
     end
end

class Movie < Item
     def initialize( line )
         @title = line
     end
end

# ex: set tabstop=8 softtabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 expandtab:


--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From carmelyne at pwim.com  Fri Jan 19 10:43:30 2007
From: carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:43:30 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <E1C7A84E-B981-4F9F-B21F-061CD1779D19@chism.org>
References: <20070119071656.32070.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<E1C7A84E-B981-4F9F-B21F-061CD1779D19@chism.org>
Message-ID: <45B0E722.7050306@pwim.com>

10 and a willing host (Obtiva!)

1. Ryan P.
2. Ed C.
2. Andy L.
3. Carmelyne T.
4. Wolf R.
5. Dave H.
6. Bill F.
7. Jerome H.
8. Victoria W.
9. Leon C.
10. Ross P. (yes?)



Leon Chism wrote:
> I'm in Glen Ellyn, so Wheaton is just a rounding error. Plus it  
> sounds like we have a host volunteer.
>
> - leon
>
> On Jan 19, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Victoria Wang wrote:
>
>   
>> Another Napervillian here.  Count me in :)
>>
>> -Victoria
>>
>>
>> --- Jerome Hughes <jromeh at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> will be rolling the Prairie Path to Wheaton from
>>> Elmhurst
>>>
>>> will eventually attend downtown, too, though haven't
>>> quite gotten it
>>> to happen yet
>>>
>>> --Jerome
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson
>>>>         
>>> <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs
>>>>         
>>> (around Naperville).
>>>       
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit
>>>>         
>>> the new Obtiva
>>>       
>>>> offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking
>>>>         
>>> out.
>>>       
>>>> -- 
>>>> Ryan Platte
>>>>         
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________ 
>> ______________
>> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
>> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>   


-- 
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Sr. Web Developer
Prairie Web Internet Marketing
Ph: 630 393 1419 ext 27
Fx: 630 393 1487
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From sarah at fabled.net  Fri Jan 19 10:43:55 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:43:55 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>	<f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>
	<46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>
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BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the 
same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice 
and simply hang out with other coders.  We talked about doing this more 
(at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to 
be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone 
else can show up for a bit of community.  Informal rails meetings are a 
good thing.
Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!



Scott Althoff wrote:
> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
>> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>>
>> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
>>> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>>>
>>> What day of the week is best for people?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
>>>> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
>>>> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
>>>> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
>>>>> the west loop...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
>>>>>>> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
>>>>>>> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
>>>>>>> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
>>>>>>> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
>>>>>>> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -scott
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
>>>> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
>>>> http://CodeSnipers.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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>>>       
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>>
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From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 10:45:35 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:45:35 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <45B0E722.7050306@pwim.com>
References: <20070119071656.32070.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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I work in Naperville, so depending on the time I may be able to make it too.

Scott


On 1/19/07, Carmelyne Thompson <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
>
>  10 and a willing host (Obtiva!)
>
>  1. Ryan P.
>  2. Ed C.
>  2. Andy L.
>  3. Carmelyne T.
>  4. Wolf R.
>  5. Dave H.
>  6. Bill F.
>  7. Jerome H.
>  8. Victoria W.
>  9. Leon C.
>  10. Ross P. (yes?)
>
>
>
>
>  Leon Chism wrote:
>  I'm in Glen Ellyn, so Wheaton is just a rounding error. Plus it
> sounds like we have a host volunteer.
>
> - leon
>
> On Jan 19, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Victoria Wang wrote:
>
>
>
>  Another Napervillian here. Count me in :)
>
> -Victoria
>
>
> --- Jerome Hughes <jromeh at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  will be rolling the Prairie Path to Wheaton from
> Elmhurst
>
> will eventually attend downtown, too, though haven't
> quite gotten it
> to happen yet
>
> --Jerome
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:
>
>
>
>  On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson
>
>  <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
>
>
>  I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs
>
>  (around Naperville).
>
>
>  :)
>
> West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit
>
>  the new Obtiva
>
>
>  offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking
>
>  out.
>
>
>  --
> Ryan Platte
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ______________
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 11:30:13 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:30:13 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
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On 1/19/07, Sarah Gray <sarah at fabled.net> wrote:
>
>  BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the same
> coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice and
> simply hang out with other coders.  We talked about doing this more (at the
> same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to be out
> somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone else can show
> up for a bit of community.  Informal rails meetings are a good thing.
>  Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!

Speaking of coding near other people, Jason Huggins (of Selenium fame)
started a Chicago powerhouse of an event called TechCoffee
(http://techcoffee.infogami.com/).

The common gripe about TechCoffee is that it's at 6 am.  Sure, that's
early...but it doesn't mean you can't start your own at a more sane
hour.  If you're going to start your own, why make it under the
TechCoffee aegis?  World domination.  Plain and simple.

"""
 Can you count, suckers? I say the future is ours...If you can count.
Now look, what we have here before us. We've got the Sorisons(?)
sitting next to the Jones St Boys. We've got the moon runners, right
next to the courtland rangers.

Nobody is wasting nobody. That is a miracle. And miracles..is the way
things ougth to be. You're standing right now with 9 delegates from
100 gangs. And there's a hundred more. That's 20 thousand hard core
members! 40,000 counting affiliates, and 20,000 more not organized,
but ready to fight. 60,000 soldiers. Now there ain't but 20,000 police
in the whole town. Can you dig it? Can you dig it? CAAAANNN YOUUUU DIG
ITTT! (Roar)

Now here's the sum total. One gang could run this city. One gang.
nothing would move, without us allowing it to happen. Tax the crime
syndicates, the police, because we've got the street, suckers!CAAAANNN
YOUUUU DIG ITTT! (Roar)

The problem in the past, has been the man turning us against one
another! We have been unable to say the truth, because we have been
fighting for 10 square feet of ground. Our turf. Our little piece of
turf. That's crap brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's
our terms. All we have to do is keep up the general truce. We take
over one borough at a time. Secure our territoty. Secure our turf.
Because it's allllll... ourrrrr... turf. (Then Cyrus gets shot)
"""

Chris

From ryan at platte.name  Fri Jan 19 11:40:04 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:40:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] My first working Ruby code
In-Reply-To: <51941C08-248C-437D-B50B-34C8C8723C0F@petdance.com>
References: <51941C08-248C-437D-B50B-34C8C8723C0F@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701190840y67dd0d8ct9be94ee486e21630@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy,

On 1/19/07, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> I converted my little want list page generator from Perl into Ruby,
> and here's what I got.  I welcome your comments and suggestions for
> improvements.


You'll probably enjoy that Enumerable#sort_by implements  a Schwartzian
transform for you behind the scenes, see the discussion in that method's
documentation at:

http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Enumerable.html

Also, if...then...end blocks return a value, so you don't have to repeat an
assignment within (caveat, haven't tried any of the code in this message, so
there's surely at least one glaring bug):

         @isbn = if ( @author.sub!( / \((.+)\)/, '' ) )
             $1
         else
             nil
         end

(doesn't look like you're using the value of @isbn for anything right now,
but pretending you were...)

If this is the first time @isbn's being set, you can also do

         @isbn = $1 if ( @author.sub!( / \((.+)\)/, '' ) )

And consider breaking even that one line into a method:

         def grab_isbn_from_author(author)
           $1 if author.sub!( / \((.+)\)/, '' )
         end

         @isbn = grab_isbn_from_author


I'd also look at turning that case statement mapping strings to classes into
a create_from_line factory method selected by class name. You can turn the
string into a class constant like this (cribbing from Rails' ActiveSupport):

ok_classes = [CD, Book, Movie]
klass = Object.module_eval("::" + classname_from_file)
if ok_classes.include? klass
  klass.create_from_line(line)
else
  raise "more Rubyish to raise an exception than to die"
end

Then each class can know how to create itself. Which won't win any design
awards, just wanted to toss another option in the hat.

That should get you started.  :-)

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From jro at codegrinder.com  Fri Jan 19 11:07:43 2007
From: jro at codegrinder.com (Jason Rohwedder)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:07:43 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <45B0E722.7050306@pwim.com>
References: <20070119071656.32070.qmail@web55411.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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Barring a conflict, I'm in.

-jro


On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Carmelyne Thompson wrote:

> 10 and a willing host (Obtiva!)
>
> 1. Ryan P.
> 2. Ed C.
> 2. Andy L.
> 3. Carmelyne T.
> 4. Wolf R.
> 5. Dave H.
> 6. Bill F.
> 7. Jerome H.
> 8. Victoria W.
> 9. Leon C.
> 10. Ross P. (yes?)
>
>
>
> Leon Chism wrote:
>> I'm in Glen Ellyn, so Wheaton is just a rounding error. Plus it
>> sounds like we have a host volunteer.
>>
>> - leon
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Victoria Wang wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Another Napervillian here.  Count me in :)
>>>
>>> -Victoria
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Jerome Hughes <jromeh at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> will be rolling the Prairie Path to Wheaton from
>>>> Elmhurst
>>>>
>>>> will eventually attend downtown, too, though haven't
>>>> quite gotten it
>>>> to happen yet
>>>>
>>>> --Jerome
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/18/07, Carmelyne Thompson
>>>>>
>>>> <carmelyne at pwim.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am in if it were around the Western Suburbs
>>>>>
>>>> (around Naperville).
>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> West side reprazent! We'd enjoy having folks visit
>>>>>
>>>> the new Obtiva
>>>>
>>>>> offices in Wheaton for hacking and general geeking
>>>>>
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>>> --  
>>>>> Ryan Platte
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________ 
>>> __
>>> ______________
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>>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
>>> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Carmelyne Thompson
> Sr. Web Developer
> Prairie Web Internet Marketing
> Ph: 630 393 1419 ext 27
> Fx: 630 393 1487
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From nil at redshed.net  Fri Jan 19 11:45:12 2007
From: nil at redshed.net (Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:45:12 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <45B0E722.7050306@pwim.com>
Message-ID: <b02020003-1048-i386-98FACA73C26B4CC4838E09D06414CB4B@wolf-mbp17.local>

carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson) wrote:
>10 and a willing host (Obtiva!)
>
>1. Ryan P.
>2. Ed C.
>2. Andy L.
>3. Carmelyne T.
>4. Wolf R.
>5. Dave H.
>6. Bill F.
>7. Jerome H.
>8. Victoria W.
>9. Leon C.
>10. Ross P. (yes?)

I nominate Carmelyne for keeping attendance ;-)

Obtiva guys: I think you just need to set a date to get this 
rolling. I recommend early evening, 6 or 7pm. In the general 
case you probably want to avoid Fridays. If you want to do it 
soonish, be aware this Thursday is eaten by Tech Cocktail. So 
how about Tuesday or Wednesday?

| Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
| Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
|     "better" necessarily means "different"


From peter at oaktop.com  Fri Jan 19 11:56:46 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:56:46 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <b02020003-1048-i386-98FACA73C26B4CC4838E09D06414CB4B@wolf-mbp17.local>
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Would it help if we post the meetup to Chirb.org? This way, there is a
RSVP list and a reference point on the web.

Ryan, what do you say? :)

Peter

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carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson) wrote:
>10 and a willing host (Obtiva!)
>
>1. Ryan P.
>2. Ed C.
>2. Andy L.
>3. Carmelyne T.
>4. Wolf R.
>5. Dave H.
>6. Bill F.
>7. Jerome H.
>8. Victoria W.
>9. Leon C.
>10. Ross P. (yes?)

I nominate Carmelyne for keeping attendance ;-)

Obtiva guys: I think you just need to set a date to get this 
rolling. I recommend early evening, 6 or 7pm. In the general 
case you probably want to avoid Fridays. If you want to do it 
soonish, be aware this Thursday is eaten by Tech Cocktail. So 
how about Tuesday or Wednesday?

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From peter at oaktop.com  Fri Jan 19 12:23:25 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
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Great to know that the meetup worked out so well. I would have loved to come, save for my prior commitment.

Can I propose the next meetup be on Tuesday? I would like to work on a simplified login for Uger, and a better look-and-feel (Uger is the Rails app that currently powers chirb.org).

Same place (Fixx), around 7:00 PM. How does that sound?

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?

BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice and simply hang out with other coders.? We talked about doing this more (at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone else can show up for a bit of community.? Informal rails meetings are a good thing.
Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!



Scott Althoff wrote: 
I could meet 7:30 to 9.

Scott

On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
  
I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
midnight so anytime is fine with me.

On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
    
For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g

What day of the week is best for people?


On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
      
well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..


On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
        
i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
the west loop...



On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
          
I would be down. How far north are you thinking?

On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:

            
Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
haven't looked back since seeing rails.

-scott
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From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 12:29:19 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:29:19 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5E40@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
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I should be able to make it.


On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
> Great to know that the meetup worked out so well. I would have loved to come, save for my prior commitment.
>
> Can I propose the next meetup be on Tuesday? I would like to work on a simplified login for Uger, and a better look-and-feel (Uger is the Rails app that currently powers chirb.org).
>
> Same place (Fixx), around 7:00 PM. How does that sound?
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:44 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
>
> BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice and simply hang out with other coders. We talked about doing this more (at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone else can show up for a bit of community. Informal rails meetings are a good thing.
> Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!
>
>
>
> Scott Althoff wrote:
> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>
> What day of the week is best for people?
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>
>
> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> the west loop...
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>
> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>
>
> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
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From btatnall at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 12:45:10 2007
From: btatnall at gmail.com (B T)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:45:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5E30@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
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Hi All,

I hail from Wheaton also and will come give the right time/date.  I
think it would definitely help to post the meetup to Chirb.org since a
week ago I wouldn't have known about this.

Tatnall

On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
> Would it help if we post the meetup to Chirb.org? This way, there is a
> RSVP list and a reference point on the web.
>
> Ryan, what do you say? :)
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
>
> carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson) wrote:
> >10 and a willing host (Obtiva!)
> >
> >1. Ryan P.
> >2. Ed C.
> >2. Andy L.
> >3. Carmelyne T.
> >4. Wolf R.
> >5. Dave H.
> >6. Bill F.
> >7. Jerome H.
> >8. Victoria W.
> >9. Leon C.
> >10. Ross P. (yes?)
>
> I nominate Carmelyne for keeping attendance ;-)
>
> Obtiva guys: I think you just need to set a date to get this
> rolling. I recommend early evening, 6 or 7pm. In the general
> case you probably want to avoid Fridays. If you want to do it
> soonish, be aware this Thursday is eaten by Tech Cocktail. So
> how about Tuesday or Wednesday?
>
> | Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch   http://rentzsch.com
> | Red Shed Software           http://redshed.net
> |     "better" necessarily means "different"
>
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From ryan at platte.name  Fri Jan 19 13:19:43 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:19:43 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
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On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
>
> Would it help if we post the meetup to Chirb.org? This way, there is a
> RSVP list and a reference point on the web.
>
> Ryan, what do you say? :)
>

That's what I'm aimin' to do.

We have room for all who are interested, but it's a new office and we have
to set it up! Our normal work area can handle a few people, but we wouldn't
want to squeeze 8 or 12 people in there. But we have a training room that
will be great for this.

So we Obtiva folks have to huddle and figure out when's best, but as soon as
we do we'll announce and yes, use chirb.org.

So hang tight, this is a very nice problem to have, and we'll announce when
we sort this out. Thanks for your interest, all! Looking forward to meeting
you without the huge commute.

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From scott.gose at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 14:00:07 2007
From: scott.gose at gmail.com (Scott Gose)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:00:07 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
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I'm out of town Mon-Fri next week.  Otherwise I'd be there.  Following
Tuesday's I should be able to make it!

On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
> Great to know that the meetup worked out so well. I would have loved to come, save for my prior commitment.
>
> Can I propose the next meetup be on Tuesday? I would like to work on a simplified login for Uger, and a better look-and-feel (Uger is the Rails app that currently powers chirb.org).
>
> Same place (Fixx), around 7:00 PM. How does that sound?
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:44 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
>
> BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice and simply hang out with other coders. We talked about doing this more (at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone else can show up for a bit of community. Informal rails meetings are a good thing.
> Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!
>
>
>
> Scott Althoff wrote:
> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>
> What day of the week is best for people?
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>
>
> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> the west loop...
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>
> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>
>
> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
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>
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From RPallan at anl.gov  Fri Jan 19 11:58:18 2007
From: RPallan at anl.gov (Pallan, Ross F.)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:58:18 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1169224809.25256.chicagogroup-members-list@rubyforge.org>
References: <mailman.1.1169224809.25256.chicagogroup-members-list@rubyforge.org>
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There are a handful of us that work at Argonne that would be interested
in meeting up in the burbs.
We have also taken training at Obtiva.

Ross


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 16:43:13 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:43:13 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
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On 1/18/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> cashnetusa.com

>From a purely political standpoint, I wouldn't want to meet at a
payday loan place.  Predatory lending is one of my least favorite
lines of business.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, and it's good of you to offer, but my vote is no.

Chris

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Fri Jan 19 17:17:56 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:17:56 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
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Chris,

Since you've decided to take the shot across the bow, I would insist
you get your facts straight. We're not in a predatory lending business
any more than your average bank or credit card company. In fact for
our portion of the market we charge less. We service the highest risk
segment of the credit market. We follow the law of every state we do
business in and are a member of the Better Business Bureau. Bashing
something you do not understand is easy but I cannot say is correct.
Have you ever been charged a "late fee" by a biller that was widely
disproportionate from your bill, like say Sprint charging a $35 late
fee on a $50 bill, let's say you were a week late. The APR on that
charge is 1825%. That's right 1800 percent annualy. In IL our rate is
$15.50 per $100 borrowed according to the law. If you needed to pay
that bill but didn't have the money, that late fee is significantly
larger.

-------A relevant news article-------------

A forthcoming study, "Defining and Detecting Predatory Lending," by
Donald P. Morgan, Research Officer, Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
and Samuel G. Hanson, Graduate Student, Harvard Business School,
concludes that payday loans are not a "welfare reducing" form of
credit. To the contrary, the authors suggest that payday lenders
enhance the welfare of households by increasing the supply of credit.

Noting the difficulty in defining "predatory," the authors set out to
distinguish predatory lending from "the kind that helps households
maintain consumption even as their incomes fluctuate." They examined
differences in household debt and delinquency across states that allow
payday lending and those that do not and compared the change in those
differences before and after the advent of payday lending. Particular
attention was paid to households that seem more vulnerable to
predation (those with income uncertainty or less education).

Excerpts from the report:

Payday loans are not welfare reducing, or "predatory"

"We define predatory lending as a welfare reducing provision of credit."

"Our findings seem mostly inconsistent with the hypothesis that payday
lenders prey on, i.e., lower the welfare of, households with uncertain
income or households with less education."

"On the whole, our results seem consistent with the hypothesis that
payday lending represents a legitimate increase in the supply of
credit, not a contrived increase in credit demand."

Payday loans may enhance the welfare of households

"Credit delinquency rates are not higher for households in states with
higher payday loan limits."

"Households with uncertain income who live in states with unlimited
payday loans are less likely to have missed a debt payment over the
previous year?consistent with claims by defenders of payday lending
that some households borrow from payday lenders to avoid missing other
payments on debt."

"Those types of households who happen to live in states that allow
unlimited payday loans are less likely to report being turned down for
credit, but are not more likely, by and large, to report higher debt
levels?"

Price does not make payday loans "predatory": limiting access raises prices

"Higher prices are neither necessary nor sufficient to conclude that a
certain class of credit is predatory."

"We find somewhat lower payday prices in cities with more payday
stores per capita, consistent with the hypothesis that competition
limits payday loan prices?The problem of high prices may reflect too
few payday lenders, rather than too many."

"Before payday lending?very small, short-term loans may not have been
worthwhile for banks. Payday lending technology may have lowered those
fixed costs, thus increasing the supply of credit?That suggests the
payday innovation was welfare improving, not predatory."

On 1/19/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/18/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > cashnetusa.com
>
> >From a purely political standpoint, I wouldn't want to meet at a
> payday loan place.  Predatory lending is one of my least favorite
> lines of business.
>
> I'm sure you're a nice guy, and it's good of you to offer, but my vote is no.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From adyrcz at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 17:20:25 2007
From: adyrcz at gmail.com (Andy Dyrcz)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <3F9C937660B41C45BC775FF00765C6C0019E8298@SCOOBY.anl.gov>
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Hey Carmelyne

add another person to the list.  Im from New Lenox and work in Burr Ridge.
Either way its an easy commute.

On 1/19/07, Pallan, Ross F. <RPallan at anl.gov> wrote:
>
>
> There are a handful of us that work at Argonne that would be interested
> in meeting up in the burbs.
> We have also taken training at Obtiva.
>
> Ross
>
> _______________________________________________
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From steve at northwestern.edu  Fri Jan 19 17:20:45 2007
From: steve at northwestern.edu (Steve DiDomenico)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:20:45 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby Training in Chicago or online?
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> On 1/18/07, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/18/07, Steve DiDomenico <steve at northwestern.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> This is my first post on the list here. I was wondering if there is
>>> any Ruby training available in the Chicago area. Or perhaps there's
>>> online training that's decent?
>>
>> You might consider Obtiva:  they're near Chicago and they're
>> excellent:  http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=training

Wow, this list is a lot more active than I expected. :)

Thanks for the suggestions, it sounds like Obtiva's program would be  
perfect for me (I'm interested in both Ruby and Rails as well). The  
place in St. Louis sounds interesting too, though it's just a bit too  
far away. I may pick up the Agile Development with Ruby on Rails book  
too.

Thanks all,
Steve

From andy at petdance.com  Fri Jan 19 17:30:57 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:30:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
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> like say Sprint charging a $35 late
> fee on a $50 bill, let's say you were a week late. The APR on that
> charge is 1825%. That's right 1800 percent annualy. In IL our rate is
> $15.50 per $100 borrowed according to the law. If you needed to pay
> that bill but didn't have the money, that late fee is significantly
> larger.

So you're loaning money out at 600% interest to save people from the  
1800% interest.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 17:37:07 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:37:07 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
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On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Since you've decided to take the shot across the bow, I would insist
> you get your facts straight.

First of all, thanks for the naval reference, I'm a gigantic fan of
those Patrick O'Brien Master and Commander books.  Good call.

I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well be in
the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want them to
be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the open
source community by hosting a meeting.

If we're having a vote on hosting at cashnetusa.com, I vote no.

Chris

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 17:58:27 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:58:27 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
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	<e1112fd0701181450k2611270do1e128dc1fd242476@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0701191343q14203f2auaf1fed068d0a5ce5@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0701191417r3b1cc99dj62eaf1006448df23@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0701191437t312a7bd3o956c3b208d4c0c00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380701191458n247febd7ya174f4f588482cca@mail.gmail.com>

If you all are going to be like this... better check the client list
at TW to see if they've ever done business with anybody you disagree
with ...

On 1/19/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Since you've decided to take the shot across the bow, I would insist
> > you get your facts straight.
>
> First of all, thanks for the naval reference, I'm a gigantic fan of
> those Patrick O'Brien Master and Commander books.  Good call.
>
> I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
> your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
> the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well be in
> the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
> legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want them to
> be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the open
> source community by hosting a meeting.
>
> If we're having a vote on hosting at cashnetusa.com, I vote no.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


-- 
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http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From cremes.devlist at mac.com  Sat Jan 20 01:09:45 2007
From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (cremes.devlist at mac.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:09:45 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <43e95380701191458n247febd7ya174f4f588482cca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12BF4@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<e1112fd0701181450k2611270do1e128dc1fd242476@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0701191343q14203f2auaf1fed068d0a5ce5@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0701191417r3b1cc99dj62eaf1006448df23@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0701191437t312a7bd3o956c3b208d4c0c00@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380701191458n247febd7ya174f4f588482cca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D14A906F-F85F-40DF-B017-46A40DE84862@mac.com>

No kidding... sheesh.

cr

On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> If you all are going to be like this... better check the client list
> at TW to see if they've ever done business with anybody you disagree
> with ...
>
> On 1/19/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Since you've decided to take the shot across the bow, I would insist
>>> you get your facts straight.
>>
>> First of all, thanks for the naval reference, I'm a gigantic fan of
>> those Patrick O'Brien Master and Commander books.  Good call.
>>
>> I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
>> your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
>> the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well  
>> be in
>> the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
>> legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want  
>> them to
>> be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the  
>> open
>> source community by hosting a meeting.
>>
>> If we're having a vote on hosting at cashnetusa.com, I vote no.
>>
>> Chris


From peter at oaktop.com  Sat Jan 20 02:04:52 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701191100j4ca776e3i20e187bf5bbeaf58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com><5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com><507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com><43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com><46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com><f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com><46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com><45B0E73B.30401@fabled.net><EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5E40@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<f1a0cd9a0701191100j4ca776e3i20e187bf5bbeaf58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5F24@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Hmm... what about the following Tuesday (1/30)? This will also give the
west people a chance to catch up to us northerners. :)

I will put something up on chirb.org.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Scott Gose
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?

I'm out of town Mon-Fri next week.  Otherwise I'd be there.  Following
Tuesday's I should be able to make it!

On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
> Great to know that the meetup worked out so well. I would have loved
to come, save for my prior commitment.
>
> Can I propose the next meetup be on Tuesday? I would like to work on a
simplified login for Uger, and a better look-and-feel (Uger is the Rails
app that currently powers chirb.org).
>
> Same place (Fixx), around 7:00 PM. How does that sound?
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________________
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Sarah Gray
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:44 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
>
> BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the
same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice
and simply hang out with other coders. We talked about doing this more
(at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to
be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone
else can show up for a bit of community. Informal rails meetings are a
good thing.
> Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!
>
>
>
> Scott Althoff wrote:
> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>
> Scott
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>
> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is
Fixx:
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>
> What day of the week is best for people?
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>
>
> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
> the west loop...
>
>
>
> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com>
wrote:
>
> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>
>
> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>
> -scott
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From peter at oaktop.com  Sat Jan 20 02:24:51 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:24:51 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Tuesday (1/30) Rails Meetup - Northside
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5F26@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Hi All,
	I posted an event to chirb.org for an upcoming Rails meetup.

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/10

	Do RSVP if you can come. In particular, I suggest that you put
your TODO items in your comments - a very good way to publicly hold
yourself to it. :)

Peter

From sarah at fabled.net  Sat Jan 20 11:39:57 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <f1a0cd9a0701191100j4ca776e3i20e187bf5bbeaf58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>	<f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>	<46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>	<45B0E73B.30401@fabled.net>	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5E40@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<f1a0cd9a0701191100j4ca776e3i20e187bf5bbeaf58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45B245DD.6030907@fabled.net>

I'd like to request we do it a different day each week; or a few 
different days. I know I can never make Tuesdays; and others also have 
classes certain nights that they can never make.  So maybe it could 
float to a degree, or we could have a few.  Like, for instance, the 
first one was on Thursday, next week is Tuesday -- what about Wed. the 
following week? This way maybe more people will be able to circle in and 
out over time and no one will ever be permanently shut out of a date b/c 
of classes or other obligations.

How does that sound?
Sarah

Scott Gose wrote:
> I'm out of town Mon-Fri next week.  Otherwise I'd be there.  Following
> Tuesday's I should be able to make it!
>
> On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
>   
>> Great to know that the meetup worked out so well. I would have loved to come, save for my prior commitment.
>>
>> Can I propose the next meetup be on Tuesday? I would like to work on a simplified login for Uger, and a better look-and-feel (Uger is the Rails app that currently powers chirb.org).
>>
>> Same place (Fixx), around 7:00 PM. How does that sound?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:44 AM
>> To: Chirb discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
>>
>> BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice and simply hang out with other coders. We talked about doing this more (at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone else can show up for a bit of community. Informal rails meetings are a good thing.
>> Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Althoff wrote:
>> I could meet 7:30 to 9.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
>> midnight so anytime is fine with me.
>>
>> On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
>> http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g
>>
>> What day of the week is best for people?
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
>> lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
>> php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
>> at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
>> the west loop...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would be down. How far north are you thinking?
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:
>>
>>
>> Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
>> to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
>> Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
>> apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
>> are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
>> haven't looked back since seeing rails.
>>
>> -scott
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
>> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
>> http://CodeSnipers.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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From peter at oaktop.com  Sat Jan 20 14:20:29 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails meetup?
In-Reply-To: <45B245DD.6030907@fabled.net>
References: <f1a0cd9a0701180936j62fba039wf4f0de8a79ce5f1@mail.gmail.com>	<5FAF602E-1AEA-4C28-9723-52371F7FA0CB@thorntonindustries.com>	<507da57a0701180945k2f9058acj2cf58319b6c38211@mail.gmail.com>	<43e95380701181004h3bcb37e0q7e87260532ed5015@mail.gmail.com>	<46be9d20701181010wd7eef9ep7ac2146b7fdcb545@mail.gmail.com>	<f1a0cd9a0701181015h745a08baj98c0a7dc8f49c19e@mail.gmail.com>	<46be9d20701181020y69616f82u7a79cc31b0d71cc9@mail.gmail.com>	<45B0E73B.30401@fabled.net>	<EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5E40@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg><f1a0cd9a0701191100j4ca776e3i20e187bf5bbeaf58@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B245DD.6030907@fabled.net>
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Sarah,
	That sounds like a good idea. I know that I can't make it to most Thursday meeting myself, but I would love to have different days of the week to choose from.

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?

I'd like to request we do it a different day each week; or a few different days. I know I can never make Tuesdays; and others also have classes certain nights that they can never make.? So maybe it could float to a degree, or we could have a few.? Like, for instance, the first one was on Thursday, next week is Tuesday -- what about Wed. the following week? This way maybe more people will be able to circle in and out over time and no one will ever be permanently shut out of a date b/c of classes or other obligations. 

How does that sound? 
Sarah

Scott Gose wrote: 
I'm out of town Mon-Fri next week.  Otherwise I'd be there.  Following
Tuesday's I should be able to make it!

On 1/19/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
  
Great to know that the meetup worked out so well. I would have loved to come, save for my prior commitment.

Can I propose the next meetup be on Tuesday? I would like to work on a simplified login for Uger, and a better look-and-feel (Uger is the Rails app that currently powers chirb.org).

Same place (Fixx), around 7:00 PM. How does that sound?

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Gray
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Rails meetup?

BTW -- 4 of us met up last night and worked on our own projects at the same coffee table. It was really nice -- a chance to give and get advice and simply hang out with other coders. We talked about doing this more (at the same and/or other times) and as Scott said -- if you're going to be out somewhere working and just throw it on the list, maybe someone else can show up for a bit of community. Informal rails meetings are a good thing.
Thanks for the suggestion, Scott!



Scott Althoff wrote:
I could meet 7:30 to 9.

Scott

On 1/18/07, Scott Gose <scott.gose at gmail.com> wrote:

I can meet tonight if anyone else wants to.  Say at 8?  It's open til
midnight so anytime is fine with me.

On 1/18/07, Scott Althoff <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:

For the north side a coffee place with lots of room and free wifi is Fixx:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/yGIGvNgFBHOSDu-jV3R_8g

What day of the week is best for people?


On 1/18/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:

well lets do  North, West, South, East(for you boaters) and Loop
lunchtime meet ups! ... I often do this with perl people and sometimes
php every couple weeks. I just email the list and say lets meet here
at this time. Kinda fun to get out of the office..


On 1/18/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:

i would be down for a lunch type thing once a week... but i work in
the west loop...



On 1/18/07, Andrew Thornton <andrew.thornton at thorntonindustries.com> wrote:

I would be down. How far north are you thinking?

On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Scott Gose wrote:


Would anyone be interested in a weekly Chicago rails meetup?  I'd like
to start one on the north side of Chicago somewhere, maybe at a
Starbucks.  I am in the midst of learning rails and building several
apps with it.  Since no one at work uses it, and rails web resources
are lacking, the going is slow.  I'm coming from a JSP background and
haven't looked back since seeing rails.

-scott
_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

_______________________________________________
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


_______________________________________________
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--
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com
_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list




_______________________________________________
ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

    
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list



  

From peter at oaktop.com  Sat Jan 20 14:22:02 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:22:02 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5F3F@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Mark, 
	I am very interested in the topics that you want to talk about. I am sure many others are too. When you have the chance, please present on it, wherever that maybe.

Thanks,

Peter

________________________________________
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Mark Alexander Friedgan
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting

Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now. 
However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in Chicago and so
I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting. We're located at 200 W. Jackson. 

We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the meeting in. Can I get some buy in?
I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't think I would like to hijack the next meeting 
but I would like to try for the following one. 

I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that I would be willing to talk about.

1. method_missing magic
????? I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will want to share theirs and discuss possibilities. 
2. monads 
??? ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a discussion

Mark Friedgan

From ph at malaprop.org  Sat Jan 20 17:56:09 2007
From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:56:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0701191437t312a7bd3o956c3b208d4c0c00@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:37:07PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
> your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
> the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well be in
> the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
> legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want them to
> be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the open
> source community by hosting a meeting.

I agree completely. Let's find a different place to meet.

- --
Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx  -  http://cambrianhouse.com


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From andy at petdance.com  Sat Jan 20 19:08:09 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:08:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] How to have meetings
Message-ID: <CF5189C8-2A65-4B6E-8168-565888579D03@petdance.com>

If you'll allow me to throw in my experiences from organizing Chicago  
Perl Mongers for a few years now:

1) You will never have everyone happy about the meetings.  Someone's  
going to be out of luck.

2) Pick a day of the month and stick with it, even if people will  
miss it, or nobody will be there.  The key is consistency.

3) Have a meeting every month, no matter what.  The key is consistency.

4) Always have a topic/agenda for the meeting, no matter what.  The  
key is consistency.

At some point it's going to be an issue of JFDI and making it happen.

Looking forward to it,
xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com  Sat Jan 20 19:26:47 2007
From: ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com (Bruce A. Burdick, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:26:47 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1D80F67.737CD%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>

+1 for some future meeting at CashNetUSA.

Disclaimer: I work there.

... and enjoy it. I also enjoy visiting the Thoughtworks offices for
meetings there. And, at the risk of violating the spirit of "not making this
a big deal," I like everybody I've met and continue to meet through Chirb,
regardless of their stance on non-Ruby subjects. You're a rare bunch; and
I'm lucky I found you.

At some point, we'll very likely host a supplemental evening or two of Ruby
fun and would welcome each of you to join in. No hard feelings if you choose
otherwise.

-B...


on 1/18/07 2:57 PM, Mark Alexander Friedgan at hubrix at hubrix.com wrote:

> Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now.
> However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in
> Chicago and so
> I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting. We're located
> at 200 W. Jackson.
> 
> We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the meeting in.
> Can I get some buy in?
> I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't think I would
> like to hijack the next meeting
> but I would like to try for the following one.
> 
> I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that I would be
> willing to talk about.
> 
> 1. method_missing magic
>       I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will want to share
> theirs and discuss possibilities.
> 2. monads 
>     ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a discussion
> 
> Mark Friedgan
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list


-- 
http://www.bruceburdick.com/



From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 19:29:02 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:29:02 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <C1D80F67.737CD%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1D80F67.737CD%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380701201629y245bc61fv793fa3807ded6f0a@mail.gmail.com>

+1

I'll be there...

On 1/20/07, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com> wrote:
> +1 for some future meeting at CashNetUSA.
>
> Disclaimer: I work there.
>
> ... and enjoy it. I also enjoy visiting the Thoughtworks offices for
> meetings there. And, at the risk of violating the spirit of "not making this
> a big deal," I like everybody I've met and continue to meet through Chirb,
> regardless of their stance on non-Ruby subjects. You're a rare bunch; and
> I'm lucky I found you.
>
> At some point, we'll very likely host a supplemental evening or two of Ruby
> fun and would welcome each of you to join in. No hard feelings if you choose
> otherwise.
>
> -B...
>
>
> on 1/18/07 2:57 PM, Mark Alexander Friedgan at hubrix at hubrix.com wrote:
>
> > Thoughtworks has graciously hosted the Chirb meetup for awhile now.
> > However we're another decently sized company with a Ruby involvement in
> > Chicago and so
> > I would like to offer to host a potential future Ruby meeting. We're located
> > at 200 W. Jackson.
> >
> > We'll order food and BEER and have a pretty decent lab to host the meeting in.
> > Can I get some buy in?
> > I've heard various topics posited for the next meeting, I don't think I would
> > like to hijack the next meeting
> > but I would like to try for the following one.
> >
> > I like the mini topics ideas so I am going to through one some that I would be
> > willing to talk about.
> >
> > 1. method_missing magic
> >       I have some tricks that I've used an I am sure others will want to share
> > theirs and discuss possibilities.
> > 2. monads
> >     ok I probably can't talk much to this one but I could lead a discussion
> >
> > Mark Friedgan
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> --
> http://www.bruceburdick.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


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http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Sat Jan 20 22:58:03 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:58:03 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Feb Chirb.
Message-ID: <OFE111D800.7B5CD8EB-ON8625726A.0014DF9C-8625726A.0015B802@thoughtworks.com>

I added the Feb. meeting to the website.  Since I agree with those of you 
who think it is about time we got over the holliday hiccups and back on to 
the first Monday of the month schedule, the meeting will happen Monday 
Feb. 5th at 6:30 PM.  http://www.chirb.org/event/show/11

If you can RSVP by noon the day of the event that will really make things 
easy for me and the AON security, but if not you can find my phone number 
on the website, and I'll be happy to get you through. 

C U @ CHIRB,
Josh Cronemeyer
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From jason at hostedlabs.com  Sun Jan 21 10:34:33 2007
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:34:33 -0800
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
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References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12BF4@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>	<e1112fd0701181450k2611270do1e128dc1fd242476@mail.gmail.com>	<3096c19d0701191343q14203f2auaf1fed068d0a5ce5@mail.gmail.com>	<e1112fd0701191417r3b1cc99dj62eaf1006448df23@mail.gmail.com>	<3096c19d0701191437t312a7bd3o956c3b208d4c0c00@mail.gmail.com>
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Hmm.. I know my opinion comes out of left field on this as I have been
less than involved in meetings so far, but I would say that it would be
more fair to spread meetings around to different companies/hosts than to
 give one company sole "sponsorship".

I have attended python meetings at Thoughtworks and they are great hosts
and obviously support the community broadly but I think it would be more
fair to "spread the love".

Besides, the one consistent complaint I have had with Thoughtworks is
the lack of beer and well.... ;-)



Peter Harkins wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:37:07PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
>>> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
>>> I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
>>> your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
>>> the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well be in
>>> the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
>>> legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want them to
>>> be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the open
>>> source community by hosting a meeting.
> 
> I agree completely. Let's find a different place to meet.
> 
> --
> Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx  -  http://cambrianhouse.com
> 
> 
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ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 11:19:30 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:19:30 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <45B38809.5010605@hostedlabs.com>
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Agreed

On 1/21/07, Jason Rexilius <jason at hostedlabs.com> wrote:
> Hmm.. I know my opinion comes out of left field on this as I have been
> less than involved in meetings so far, but I would say that it would be
> more fair to spread meetings around to different companies/hosts than to
>  give one company sole "sponsorship".
>
> I have attended python meetings at Thoughtworks and they are great hosts
> and obviously support the community broadly but I think it would be more
> fair to "spread the love".
>
> Besides, the one consistent complaint I have had with Thoughtworks is
> the lack of beer and well.... ;-)
>
>
>
> Peter Harkins wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:37:07PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> >>> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> >>> I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
> >>> your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
> >>> the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well be in
> >>> the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
> >>> legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want them to
> >>> be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the open
> >>> source community by hosting a meeting.
> >
> > I agree completely. Let's find a different place to meet.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx  -  http://cambrianhouse.com
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


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http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Sun Jan 21 20:04:48 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:04:48 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <45B38809.5010605@hostedlabs.com>
Message-ID: <OFE8AD711E.AD72967C-ON8625726B.00057726-8625726B.0005CB88@thoughtworks.com>

Are you suggesting ThoughtWorkers don't know how to drink?!?  (Rolls up 
sleeves, pulls whiskey bottle from laptop case, lines up the shot glasses)

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/21/2007 
09:34:33 AM:

> Hmm.. I know my opinion comes out of left field on this as I have been
> less than involved in meetings so far, but I would say that it would be
> more fair to spread meetings around to different companies/hosts than to
>  give one company sole "sponsorship".
> 
> I have attended python meetings at Thoughtworks and they are great hosts
> and obviously support the community broadly but I think it would be more
> fair to "spread the love".
> 
> Besides, the one consistent complaint I have had with Thoughtworks is
> the lack of beer and well.... ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Harkins wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:37:07PM -0600, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> >>> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> >>> I like you, I don't want this to turn into a big deal.  I remember
> >>> your presentation at Chirb.  You're a good guy, and your heart is in
> >>> the right place.  It's cool of you to offer, and I may very well be 
in
> >>> the minority.  That said, I don't want your company to be able to
> >>> legitimize its business by hosting a meeting, and I don't want them 
to
> >>> be able to tell potential employees how they're involved with the 
open
> >>> source community by hosting a meeting.
> > 
> > I agree completely. Let's find a different place to meet.
> > 
> > --
> > Peter Harkins  -  http://push.cx  -  http://cambrianhouse.com
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> _______________________________________________
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From peter at oaktop.com  Sun Jan 21 23:27:26 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:26 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] How to have meetings
In-Reply-To: <CF5189C8-2A65-4B6E-8168-565888579D03@petdance.com>
References: <CF5189C8-2A65-4B6E-8168-565888579D03@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091010E5FC7@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Andy,
	Great suggestions. The only thing I would add to 4) is that
sometime a self-organized meeting works wonder too. However, your point
is valid in that, even in a self-organized meeting, there should still
be backup topics in place.

Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Andy Lester
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:08 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: [Chirb] How to have meetings

If you'll allow me to throw in my experiences from organizing Chicago  
Perl Mongers for a few years now:

1) You will never have everyone happy about the meetings.  Someone's  
going to be out of luck.

2) Pick a day of the month and stick with it, even if people will  
miss it, or nobody will be there.  The key is consistency.

3) Have a meeting every month, no matter what.  The key is consistency.

4) Always have a topic/agenda for the meeting, no matter what.  The  
key is consistency.

At some point it's going to be an issue of JFDI and making it happen.

Looking forward to it,
xoxo,
Andy

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From ryan at platte.name  Mon Jan 22 01:30:38 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:30:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <C1D80F67.737CD%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1D80F67.737CD%ruby.lang@bruceburdick.com>
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On 1/20/07, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. <ruby.lang at bruceburdick.com> wrote:
>
> At some point, we'll very likely host a supplemental evening or two of
> Ruby
> fun and would welcome each of you to join in. No hard feelings if you
> choose
> otherwise.


And as the current president of Chirb, with whatever that means and doesn't
mean, you have my permission to use the Chirb name for your gathering, and
post it to the chirb.org RSVP system.

-- 
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From carmelyne at pwim.com  Mon Jan 22 09:46:00 2007
From: carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:46:00 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
In-Reply-To: <320e96240701191420s2e7cb52aheb2ccdbf72bbc1fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1169224809.25256.chicagogroup-members-list@rubyforge.org>	<3F9C937660B41C45BC775FF00765C6C0019E8298@SCOOBY.anl.gov>
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10 ++ and a willing host (Obtiva!)

   1. Ryan P.
   2. Ed C.
   3. Andy L.
   4. Carmelyne T.
   5. Wolf R.
   6. Dave H.
   7. Bill F.
   8. Jerome H.
   9. Victoria W.
  10. Leon C.
  11. Ross P. [ + Crew ]
  12. Tatnall
  13. Andy D.
  14. Jason R.
  15. Scott A.


I was never good at counting but OK. I'll throw it back now. Hi, Ryan. :)

We need topics and to set a time. We're ready when you guys are.

Thanks,
Carmelyne




Andy Dyrcz wrote:
> Hey Carmelyne
>
> add another person to the list.  Im from New Lenox and work in Burr 
> Ridge.  Either way its an easy commute.
>
> On 1/19/07, *Pallan, Ross F. * <RPallan at anl.gov 
> <mailto:RPallan at anl.gov>> wrote:
>
>
>     There are a handful of us that work at Argonne that would be
>     interested
>     in meeting up in the burbs.
>     We have also taken training at Obtiva.
>
>     Ross
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
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>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
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>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From nberveiler at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 10:58:59 2007
From: nberveiler at gmail.com (Nick Berveiler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:58:59 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Ruby meetup in west suburbs
Message-ID: <7c26c2d10701220758j5b98a73cp477bca200fa70e57@mail.gmail.com>

Count me in on being interested in casual west suburb meetups. I've only
been to one chirb meetup in Chicago last November, but I am interested in
attending more in the future.

While we are waiting for Ryan to set up space at Obtiva, maybe we could get
together this week at a coffeehouse with free wifi just to get the ball
rolling. Unfortunately I don't know of any cool independent coffeehouses in
the area, but there are a TON of Panera's around here which have free wifi
and that would be good enough for me.

I vote for a Schaumburg based Panera (since I work in Schaumburg) although
I'm willing to drive south a little to get to someplace in Wheaton or even
Naperville if that works out better for everyone else. For those on this
list who are interested in getting together this week, if you have better
coffeehouse recommendations please post them and announce what evenings you
would be available on this week for a meetup. I'm up for any night this week
(including tonight) except for Friday night.

Nick Berveiler
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From ken at nika.com  Fri Jan 26 14:35:24 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:35:24 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Erubycon discounts for Chirb?
Message-ID: <CE746A1E-1D40-4A72-B2F1-05538469FA76@nika.com>

Hi all,

I was planning on attending Erubycon, but have been having some  
difficulty getting a response regarding the ruby user group discount  
mentioned on the conference site.

I got an initial reply from them 3 weeks ago saying the discount  
pricing was being settled, and that they'd follow up soon.  After no  
reply, I sent another mail but haven't gotten any replies.

Anybody planning on going?

Anyone know the details on the discount price for Chirb members?

http://www.erubycon.com

- Ken


From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan 30 16:38:44 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:38:44 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701191417r3b1cc99dj62eaf1006448df23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301D12BF4@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
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On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
>    We're not in a predatory lending business
> any more than your average bank or credit card company.

So... you agree you're in a predatory lending business!  AH HA!! :) :)

I'm +1 for meeting there, too, although I seemed to miss this thread
by a week.  If the beer is no good we can always opt to not go back.
:)

--Michael

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Tue Jan 30 16:43:45 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:43:45 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701301338g16687baegb18ab9ca3a9efe5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701181257h149a81b1n406787604b8072de@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>

I would propose for the March 6th meeting then. Does that seem reasonable?

On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> >    We're not in a predatory lending business
> > any more than your average bank or credit card company.
>
> So... you agree you're in a predatory lending business!  AH HA!! :) :)
>
> I'm +1 for meeting there, too, although I seemed to miss this thread
> by a week.  If the beer is no good we can always opt to not go back.
> :)
>
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Jan 30 17:47:32 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Northside Rails Meetup This Evening
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F30@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Just a reminder that a few of us are meeting up at the Fixx Coffee bar
this evening. If you are free, please stop by.

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/10 

Peter

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Jan 30 17:47:59 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:47:59 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>

March 6th is a Tuesday, do you mean the March 5th meeting? 

Also, I am getting a bit confused on what this thread is talking about. It 
sounds like CHIRB is not meeting at thoughtworks in March.  Is this just 
for this meeting?  Alternating meetings? All future meetings? 

If we are seriously considering moving our meeting I think we should 
decide this together at our next meeting where we can talk it out face to 
face and then vote on it (or whatever we do to make decisions).  This way 
there is less chance for misunderstanding or for a few prolific emailers 
to decide the matter for everyone.  Some things to consider:  What are our 
criteria for a good host? Is it in the group's interest to have a meeting 
that is in a different location each time?  If we are fortunate enough to 
have multiple hosts we deem good, how can we best take advantage of that?

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/30/2007 
03:43:45 PM:

> I would propose for the March 6th meeting then. Does that seem 
reasonable?
> 
> On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> > On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > >    We're not in a predatory lending business
> > > any more than your average bank or credit card company.
> >
> > So... you agree you're in a predatory lending business!  AH HA!! :) :)
> >
> > I'm +1 for meeting there, too, although I seemed to miss this thread
> > by a week.  If the beer is no good we can always opt to not go back.
> > :)
> >
> > --Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From ryan at platte.name  Tue Jan 30 18:19:15 2007
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:19:15 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0701301519v2a5402eavbdd95f9a5110d2d2@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/30/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> March 6th is a Tuesday, do you mean the March 5th meeting?
>
> Also, I am getting a bit confused on what this thread is talking about.
>  It sounds like CHIRB is not meeting at thoughtworks in March.  Is this just
> for this meeting?  Alternating meetings? All future meetings?


The way I'd read previous posts on the issue was that these were
supplemental meetings being discussed. Perhaps this wasn't the case. We
definitely don't have consensus to move the main Chirb meetings elsewhere,
at the very least without actually discussing it!

-- 
Ryan Platte
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From jbreen at centerpost.com  Tue Jan 30 18:22:16 2007
From: jbreen at centerpost.com (Jim Breen)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:22:16 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>

I completely agree that this discussion/decision should take place at an
actual meeting rather than via email.  
 
Jim

________________________________

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Josh Cronemeyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:48 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] Hosting



March 6th is a Tuesday, do you mean the March 5th meeting?   

Also, I am getting a bit confused on what this thread is talking about.
It sounds like CHIRB is not meeting at thoughtworks in March.  Is this
just for this meeting?  Alternating meetings? All future meetings? 

If we are seriously considering moving our meeting I think we should
decide this together at our next meeting where we can talk it out face
to face and then vote on it (or whatever we do to make decisions).  This
way there is less chance for misunderstanding or for a few prolific
emailers to decide the matter for everyone.  Some things to consider:
What are our criteria for a good host? Is it in the group's interest to
have a meeting that is in a different location each time?  If we are
fortunate enough to have multiple hosts we deem good, how can we best
take advantage of that? 

Josh Cronemeyer 

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 01/30/2007
03:43:45 PM:

> I would propose for the March 6th meeting then. Does that seem
reasonable?
> 
> On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> > On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > >    We're not in a predatory lending business
> > > any more than your average bank or credit card company.
> >
> > So... you agree you're in a predatory lending business!  AH HA!! :)
:)
> >
> > I'm +1 for meeting there, too, although I seemed to miss this thread
> > by a week.  If the beer is no good we can always opt to not go back.
> > :)
> >
> > --Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

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From hubrix at hubrix.com  Tue Jan 30 19:32:19 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:32:19 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e1112fd0701301632l62495c7cl524d5de54765230@mail.gmail.com>

That's fine. I am sorry I typoed the date I meant the March 5th
meeting instead of Thoughtworks. I will make sure to bring it up at
the Feb meeting.

On 1/30/07, Jim Breen <jbreen at centerpost.com> wrote:
>
>
> I completely agree that this discussion/decision should take place at an
> actual meeting rather than via email.
>
> Jim
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
> [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Cronemeyer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:48 PM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] Hosting
>
>
>
> March 6th is a Tuesday, do you mean the March 5th meeting?
>
> Also, I am getting a bit confused on what this thread is talking about.  It
> sounds like CHIRB is not meeting at thoughtworks in March.  Is this just for
> this meeting?  Alternating meetings? All future meetings?
>
> If we are seriously considering moving our meeting I think we should decide
> this together at our next meeting where we can talk it out face to face and
> then vote on it (or whatever we do to make decisions).  This way there is
> less chance for misunderstanding or for a few prolific emailers to decide
> the matter for everyone.  Some things to consider:  What are our criteria
> for a good host? Is it in the group's interest to have a meeting that is in
> a different location each time?  If we are fortunate enough to have multiple
> hosts we deem good, how can we best take advantage of that?
>
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on
> 01/30/2007 03:43:45 PM:
>
> > I would propose for the March 6th meeting then. Does that seem reasonable?
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> > > On 1/19/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > > >    We're not in a predatory lending business
> > > > any more than your average bank or credit card company.
> > >
> > > So... you agree you're in a predatory lending business!  AH HA!! :) :)
> > >
> > > I'm +1 for meeting there, too, although I seemed to miss this thread
> > > by a week.  If the beer is no good we can always opt to not go back.
> > > :)
> > >
> > > --Michael
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>

From cosine at cosine.org  Tue Jan 30 23:01:08 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:01:08 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701301632l62495c7cl524d5de54765230@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <406d2d610701302001g582d5c46j5ab3de128158e9de@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/30/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> That's fine. I am sorry I typoed the date I meant the March 5th
> meeting instead of Thoughtworks. I will make sure to bring it up at
> the Feb meeting.

Given Andy Lester's recent post about *consistency* being a good
thing, I think any change in the main meeting location shouldn't be
considered for several months unless ThoughtWorks cannot host one.

--Michael

From cstejerean at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 00:44:05 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:44:05 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701302001g582d5c46j5ab3de128158e9de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<e1112fd0701301632l62495c7cl524d5de54765230@mail.gmail.com>
	<406d2d610701302001g582d5c46j5ab3de128158e9de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <276266d0701302144l71be622ey100469ce9a68a01f@mail.gmail.com>

since this is a supplemental meeting would it make sense to have it on
a different day of the week than the regular Chirb meeting (which
perhaps ought to be renamed the downtown Chirb meeting as I feel more
of these supplemental meetings will come up) so that folks that care
to can attend both (or in case of a conflict with one attend the
other)?

I for one woud like to see some meetings in one of the north suburbs
so I don't have to drive into Chicago during rush hour.

- Cosmin

On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> On 1/30/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > That's fine. I am sorry I typoed the date I meant the March 5th
> > meeting instead of Thoughtworks. I will make sure to bring it up at
> > the Feb meeting.
>
> Given Andy Lester's recent post about *consistency* being a good
> thing, I think any change in the main meeting location shouldn't be
> considered for several months unless ThoughtWorks cannot host one.
>
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Wed Jan 31 01:17:42 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:17:42 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <276266d0701302144l71be622ey100469ce9a68a01f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<e1112fd0701301632l62495c7cl524d5de54765230@mail.gmail.com>
	<406d2d610701302001g582d5c46j5ab3de128158e9de@mail.gmail.com>
	<276266d0701302144l71be622ey100469ce9a68a01f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0701302217ud82d5c9sb01f5c449f1b8568@mail.gmail.com>

It's not meant to be a supplemental meeting, it's meant to be the main
March meeting.

On 1/30/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> since this is a supplemental meeting would it make sense to have it on
> a different day of the week than the regular Chirb meeting (which
> perhaps ought to be renamed the downtown Chirb meeting as I feel more
> of these supplemental meetings will come up) so that folks that care
> to can attend both (or in case of a conflict with one attend the
> other)?
>
> I for one woud like to see some meetings in one of the north suburbs
> so I don't have to drive into Chicago during rush hour.
>
> - Cosmin
>
> On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> > On 1/30/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > > That's fine. I am sorry I typoed the date I meant the March 5th
> > > meeting instead of Thoughtworks. I will make sure to bring it up at
> > > the Feb meeting.
> >
> > Given Andy Lester's recent post about *consistency* being a good
> > thing, I think any change in the main meeting location shouldn't be
> > considered for several months unless ThoughtWorks cannot host one.
> >
> > --Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From peter at oaktop.com  Wed Jan 31 03:28:51 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:28:51 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Thanks for everyone who came to last night's Rails meetup. We have 6
people who showed up (plus a 7th who couldn't quite make it). There were
some good discussions about ActiveRecord too.

Peter

From mmangino at elevatedrails.com  Wed Jan 31 08:18:01 2007
From: mmangino at elevatedrails.com (Mike Mangino)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
Message-ID: <9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>

So when's the next one? I'm definitely interested for next week!

Mike

On Jan 31, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:

> Thanks for everyone who came to last night's Rails meetup. We have 6
> people who showed up (plus a 7th who couldn't quite make it). There  
> were
> some good discussions about ActiveRecord too.
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

--
Mike Mangino
http://www.elevatedrails.com




From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 08:34:54 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:34:54 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
Message-ID: <46be9d20701310534u383a2a03u17ed83961a1c0e73@mail.gmail.com>

I plan on going to The Fixx after work today (Wednesday).  I'll get
there between 5:00 and 6:00, and I'll leave around 9:00pm.  Feel free
to join me and get some work done.

The structure of the meetings we've been having is for everyone to
come with their laptops.  People work on their personal projects, when
someone needs help with their project someone else helps.  Discussions
usually develop from attempts to solve the problems.  People are there
from many backgrounds and with very different levels of experience.

Scott


On 1/31/07, Mike Mangino <mmangino at elevatedrails.com> wrote:
> So when's the next one? I'm definitely interested for next week!
>
> Mike
>
> On Jan 31, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
>
> > Thanks for everyone who came to last night's Rails meetup. We have 6
> > people who showed up (plus a 7th who couldn't quite make it). There
> > were
> > some good discussions about ActiveRecord too.
> >
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
> --
> Mike Mangino
> http://www.elevatedrails.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 10:09:57 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:09:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0701302217ud82d5c9sb01f5c449f1b8568@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<e1112fd0701301632l62495c7cl524d5de54765230@mail.gmail.com>
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this is a silly question, and totally independant of any politics...
but what benefits, aside from beer (which is a personal -10 against
productivity), will be gained from hosting this somewhere else?


-colin

On 1/31/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> It's not meant to be a supplemental meeting, it's meant to be the main
> March meeting.
>
> On 1/30/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> > since this is a supplemental meeting would it make sense to have it on
> > a different day of the week than the regular Chirb meeting (which
> > perhaps ought to be renamed the downtown Chirb meeting as I feel more
> > of these supplemental meetings will come up) so that folks that care
> > to can attend both (or in case of a conflict with one attend the
> > other)?
> >
> > I for one woud like to see some meetings in one of the north suburbs
> > so I don't have to drive into Chicago during rush hour.
> >
> > - Cosmin
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> > > On 1/30/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> > > > That's fine. I am sorry I typoed the date I meant the March 5th
> > > > meeting instead of Thoughtworks. I will make sure to bring it up at
> > > > the Feb meeting.
> > >
> > > Given Andy Lester's recent post about *consistency* being a good
> > > thing, I think any change in the main meeting location shouldn't be
> > > considered for several months unless ThoughtWorks cannot host one.
> > >
> > > --Michael
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From sarah at fabled.net  Wed Jan 31 10:10:49 2007
From: sarah at fabled.net (Sarah Gray)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:10:49 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
References: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF909101140F93@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
	<9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
Message-ID: <45C0B179.7020106@fabled.net>

How about next Wed or Thurs  in light of the idea of switching the 
informal fixx meeting up?

Mike Mangino wrote:
> So when's the next one? I'm definitely interested for next week!
>
> Mike
>
> On Jan 31, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Peter K Chan wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks for everyone who came to last night's Rails meetup. We have 6
>> people who showed up (plus a 7th who couldn't quite make it). There  
>> were
>> some good discussions about ActiveRecord too.
>>
>> Peter
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>     
>
> --
> Mike Mangino
> http://www.elevatedrails.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Jan 31 08:41:38 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason Perkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:41:38 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <9F0B807A-8711-4DFB-82A7-527181D5CCE4@elevatedrails.com>
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On Jan 31, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:

> So when's the next one? I'm definitely interested for next week!

With a little more notice, I'd like to attend as well.

--
Jason Perkins
jperkins at sneer.org

"The computer allows you to make mistakes
faster than any other invention, with the
possible exception of handguns and tequila."

-Mitch Ratcliffe



From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Jan 31 10:30:41 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (jperkins at sneer.org)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 2:30:41 +1100
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <46be9d20701310534u383a2a03u17ed83961a1c0e73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46be9d20701310534u383a2a03u17ed83961a1c0e73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8cb2c7422060121342be70e37cb16df9@mail.sneer.org>




On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:34:54 -0600, "Scott Althoff" <scott.althoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I plan on going to The Fixx after work today (Wednesday).  I'll get
> there between 5:00 and 6:00, and I'll leave around 9:00pm.  Feel free
> to join me and get some work done.

I'll be there!




From cosine at cosine.org  Wed Jan 31 10:34:10 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:34:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0701310709w2544cf25g3b751a15dd1a812c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
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On 1/31/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> this is a silly question, and totally independant of any politics...
> but what benefits, aside from beer (which is a personal -10 against
> productivity), will be gained from hosting this somewhere else?

Removal of the Security Theatre annoyances at ThoughtWorks's new
location is the biggest reason.  Also, the new location is a lot less
convenient for those of us that catch Metra (excepting the Electric
line, of course) after the meetings.

--Michael

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Wed Jan 31 11:53:18 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:53:18 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <406d2d610701310734v4b68d3e8rab0382afd8c31c01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
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1. Beer
2. Much nicer Security, i.e. I still need to put people into the
security system but it's much less of a hassle.
3. We're close to metra and el
4. Just a change of scenery?

On 1/31/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
> On 1/31/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > this is a silly question, and totally independant of any politics...
> > but what benefits, aside from beer (which is a personal -10 against
> > productivity), will be gained from hosting this somewhere else?
>
> Removal of the Security Theatre annoyances at ThoughtWorks's new
> location is the biggest reason.  Also, the new location is a lot less
> convenient for those of us that catch Metra (excepting the Electric
> line, of course) after the meetings.
>
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Jan 31 10:25:38 2007
From: jperkins at sneer.org (jperkins at sneer.org)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 2:25:38 +1100
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <D6740F76-F3E9-4F66-B7EF-D05D30E15DC7@sneer.org>
References: <D6740F76-F3E9-4F66-B7EF-D05D30E15DC7@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <fc1898eb10c65a9bffcdc9235b3c0878@mail.sneer.org>




On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:41:38 -0600, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
> 
> On Jan 31, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Mike Mangino wrote:
> 
>> So when's the next one? I'm definitely interested for next week!
> 
> With a little more notice, I'd like to attend as well.

Or I could pay more attention to notices that they're coming up. Either way, I'd love to attend.


From ken at nika.com  Wed Jan 31 23:01:35 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:01:35 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0701310709w2544cf25g3b751a15dd1a812c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1112fd0701301343i4f4b8c9fw36063e95c30ef2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFB041F23A.32E15971-ON86257273.007BAC11-86257273.007D190A@thoughtworks.com>
	<3C8E90FACF3F44459539D0AC4BD8CD7301EDEBE9@CPOMAIL01.centerpostcorp.com>
	<e1112fd0701301632l62495c7cl524d5de54765230@mail.gmail.com>
	<406d2d610701302001g582d5c46j5ab3de128158e9de@mail.gmail.com>
	<276266d0701302144l71be622ey100469ce9a68a01f@mail.gmail.com>
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	<507da57a0701310709w2544cf25g3b751a15dd1a812c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <868ED6FA-8071-4F3D-B9E8-E8C5EE37F50F@nika.com>

So, (-10 against) is (+10 for) if I recall my algebra correctly...   
so beer it is!  ;-)

On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:09 AM, colin h wrote:

> this is a silly question, and totally independant of any politics...
> but what benefits, aside from beer (which is a personal -10 against
> productivity), will be gained from hosting this somewhere else?
>
>
> -colin
>
> On 1/31/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
>> It's not meant to be a supplemental meeting, it's meant to be the  
>> main
>> March meeting.
>>
>> On 1/30/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> since this is a supplemental meeting would it make sense to have  
>>> it on
>>> a different day of the week than the regular Chirb meeting (which
>>> perhaps ought to be renamed the downtown Chirb meeting as I feel  
>>> more
>>> of these supplemental meetings will come up) so that folks that care
>>> to can attend both (or in case of a conflict with one attend the
>>> other)?
>>>
>>> I for one woud like to see some meetings in one of the north suburbs
>>> so I don't have to drive into Chicago during rush hour.
>>>
>>> - Cosmin
>>>
>>> On 1/30/07, Michael H Buselli <cosine at cosine.org> wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
>>>>> That's fine. I am sorry I typoed the date I meant the March 5th
>>>>> meeting instead of Thoughtworks. I will make sure to bring it  
>>>>> up at
>>>>> the Feb meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Given Andy Lester's recent post about *consistency* being a good
>>>> thing, I think any change in the main meeting location shouldn't be
>>>> considered for several months unless ThoughtWorks cannot host one.
>>>>
>>>> --Michael
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list