From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 22:56:52 2007
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:56:52 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
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On 2/28/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Sarah Gray wrote:
>
> > I'll be there Thursday. Prob not till 7:30 / 7:40.
> >  How bout next week it meets on the day Peter can go? They're
> > informal anyways, so that'd suit the most people I bet
>
> That works for me for next week. I'm planning on being there tomorrow
> from around 7 until 8.

Well, I showed up at about 7:20 and couldn't find anybody. Sarah
showed up at around 7:50, right as they were announcing that they
close at 8!!!

So, let's pick a place that's open later than 8 for next week, and
hopefully more people will show up this time.

>
>
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
>
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From peter at oaktop.com  Fri Mar  2 05:58:08 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
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David,
	Sorry about last night.

	Metropolis closing at 8 is not going to work for us. There is another caf? by the name of Cafe Du Monde, which is just one block from Metropolis. Let me check it out this weekend to see how it looks.	

	Links to Caf? Du Monde -

http://www.yelp.com/biz/YaOPuunlKPC2tLvBee2i-g?utm_campaign=local&utm_medium=organic&hrid=YNOI1cCMoh0s5fjor91nXA

	I will propose another Rails meetup by the start of next week.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of David Chelimsky
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:57 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup

On 2/28/07, Jason Perkins <jperkins at sneer.org> wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Sarah Gray wrote:
>
> > I'll be there Thursday. Prob not till 7:30 / 7:40.
> >  How bout next week it meets on the day Peter can go? They're
> > informal anyways, so that'd suit the most people I bet
>
> That works for me for next week. I'm planning on being there tomorrow
> from around 7 until 8.

Well, I showed up at about 7:20 and couldn't find anybody. Sarah
showed up at around 7:50, right as they were announcing that they
close at 8!!!

So, let's pick a place that's open later than 8 for next week, and
hopefully more people will show up this time.

>
>
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> jperkins at sneer.org
>
> "The key to performance is elegance, not
> battalions of special cases."
>
> -Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
_______________________________________________
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list

From cosine at cosine.org  Mon Mar  5 12:06:09 2007
From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:06:09 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] parking near thoughtworks
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References: <68D76F94-EAAD-452A-9D12-00544A689122@theworkinggroup.ca>
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On 2/5/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:

> I can usually find metered parking on stetson.  Basically if you are going
> east on lake you run into stetson just after michigan.  Turn right on
> stetson and you are good.

How hungry are the meters, and how long do they last before they need
re-feeding?

I'm already parked over near where I work, but that's quite a walk
away from the Aon Center.  If it's only a few bucks I'll move my car.

--Michael

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Mar  5 12:39:27 2007
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:39:27 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] parking near thoughtworks
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I am 90% sure that the meters along stetson (the street running N/S along 
the west side of the building) are 1$ per hour up to 2 hours and they only 
take quarters.  There are some other spots on lake that you have to use 
the little parking machine and someone told me they are 3$ per hour up to 
2 hours.

I also looked into the AON center parking garage which has an entrance off 
stetson.  If you get there before 6PM parking is 6$ for the whole night. 
If you get there after 6PM it is 13$ for the whole night.  Hope that 
helps!

Josh Cronemeyer

chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org wrote on 03/05/2007 
11:06:09 AM:

> On 2/5/07, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
> 
> > I can usually find metered parking on stetson.  Basically if you are 
going
> > east on lake you run into stetson just after michigan.  Turn right on
> > stetson and you are good.
> 
> How hungry are the meters, and how long do they last before they need
> re-feeding?
> 
> I'm already parked over near where I work, but that's quite a walk
> away from the Aon Center.  If it's only a few bucks I'll move my car.
> 
> --Michael
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
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From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Mar  6 03:48:40 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 03:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
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Folks,
	I checked out Caf? Du Monde over the weekend and found out that they close at 8 too (contrary to what was posted on the web).

	I propose that this week's meetup be held on Wednesday, March 7, back at Fixx (near the Belmont stop).

P.S. If you know of another north side coffee shop, please share. 

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter K Chan
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:58 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup

David,
	Sorry about last night.

	Metropolis closing at 8 is not going to work for us. There is another caf? by the name of Cafe Du Monde, which is just one block from Metropolis. Let me check it out this weekend to see how it looks.	

	Links to Caf? Du Monde -

http://www.yelp.com/biz/YaOPuunlKPC2tLvBee2i-g?utm_campaign=local&utm_medium=organic&hrid=YNOI1cCMoh0s5fjor91nXA

	I will propose another Rails meetup by the start of next week.

Peter

From scott.althoff at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 09:09:59 2007
From: scott.althoff at gmail.com (Scott Althoff)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:09:59 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
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I can meet Wed at the Fixx.


On 3/6/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>         I checked out Caf? Du Monde over the weekend and found out that they close at 8 too (contrary to what was posted on the web).
>
>         I propose that this week's meetup be held on Wednesday, March 7, back at Fixx (near the Belmont stop).
>
> P.S. If you know of another north side coffee shop, please share.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter K Chan
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:58 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
>
> David,
>         Sorry about last night.
>
>         Metropolis closing at 8 is not going to work for us. There is another caf? by the name of Cafe Du Monde, which is just one block from Metropolis. Let me check it out this weekend to see how it looks.
>
>         Links to Caf? Du Monde -
>
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/YaOPuunlKPC2tLvBee2i-g?utm_campaign=local&utm_medium=organic&hrid=YNOI1cCMoh0s5fjor91nXA
>
>         I will propose another Rails meetup by the start of next week.
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From peter at oaktop.com  Tue Mar  6 12:20:03 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:20:03 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
In-Reply-To: <46be9d20703060609r6b193afeq29717e1affe747fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <899695.18504.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com><96A1DBCC-2FBE-4640-8AD0-357DCC07A450@sneer.org><EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90917D3452@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg><45E604BE.5080103@fabled.net><A077ACF8-C9DA-42D4-959D-47B908234680@sneer.org><57c63afe0703011956h5c2e40a0q779b585ad152c240@mail.gmail.com><EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F90EF@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg><EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF9091011F93FD@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>
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Great!

Here is the event page. Please RSVP if you can come or maybe come.

http://www.chirb.org/event/show/16

Thanks,

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Scott Althoff
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:10 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup

I can meet Wed at the Fixx.


On 3/6/07, Peter K Chan <peter at oaktop.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>         I checked out Caf? Du Monde over the weekend and found out that they close at 8 too (contrary to what was posted on the web).
>
>         I propose that this week's meetup be held on Wednesday, March 7, back at Fixx (near the Belmont stop).
>
> P.S. If you know of another north side coffee shop, please share.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter K Chan
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:58 AM
> To: Chirb discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup
>
> David,
>         Sorry about last night.
>
>         Metropolis closing at 8 is not going to work for us. There is another caf? by the name of Cafe Du Monde, which is just one block from Metropolis. Let me check it out this weekend to see how it looks.
>
>         Links to Caf? Du Monde -
>
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/YaOPuunlKPC2tLvBee2i-g?utm_campaign=local&utm_medium=organic&hrid=YNOI1cCMoh0s5fjor91nXA
>
>         I will propose another Rails meetup by the start of next week.
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:03:47 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:03:47 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
Chipy"

Topics
------

* PyCon 2007 re-cap
* "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
* Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
* Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
sprints, "GrassyKnoll"

Location
--------

Google's Chicago office
20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
Chicago, IL 60610

Location description:
"18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
and Kinzie."
"Across the street from Harry Carey's"
"Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"

* Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>

Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's
restaurant and Keefer's cafe.

Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and
lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building.

 1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the
 "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk
 from Google)
 2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in
 the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus)
 3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley
 Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza.
 (<http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm>) ;-)
 4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier.
 Obtain security clearance before landing.

About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:36:26 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:36:26 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0703061236r64ba9d74wd9f8d5f5b9b2b2e6@mail.gmail.com>

For the curious, this meeting will be held at 7pm.

Special thanks to "Bradley Slavik", the winner of our "spot the typos"
contest.  Bradley will be receiving his prize of knowledge (and Pizza)
Thursday, March 8th at 7pm.

Chris

On 3/6/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chicago Python User Group
> =========================
>
> Come join us for our best meeting ever!  Pizza and drinks will be
> served, courtesy of Google.  RSVP's are not needed, but are
> encouraged.  Write chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject line "RSVP
> Chipy"
>
> Topics
> ------
>
> * PyCon 2007 re-cap
> * "Unicode for Small Children (and Children at Heart)" by Feihong Hsu
> * Ian Bicking will bring his OLPC laptop (http://laptop.org) and will
> discuss ideas for a Chicago Sprint around XO Sugar development
> * Pete Fein will present a project he came up with during the Pycon
> sprints, "GrassyKnoll"
>
> Location
> --------
>
> Google's Chicago office
> 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60610
>
> Location description:
> "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> and Kinzie."
> "Across the street from Harry Carey's"
> "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant"
>
> * Map <http://tinyurl.com/ee8my>
>
> Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's
> restaurant and Keefer's cafe.
>
> Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and
> lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building.
>
>  1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the
>  "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk
>  from Google)
>  2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in
>  the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus)
>  3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley
>  Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza.
>  (<http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm>) ;-)
>  4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier.
>  Obtain security clearance before landing.
>
> About ChiPy
> -----------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
>
> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
> ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
> Python website: <http://python.org>
>

From tdenkinger at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 13:38:10 2007
From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:38:10 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
Message-ID: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>

First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last Monday.  I had
to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
Chelimsky for that.

I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My company is
going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the opportunity
to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is worth
looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a large
service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of concurrent
sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In fact,
they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its ability
to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why I'm
seeking examples.

Thanks for any insights.

Troy
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From cstejerean at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 14:36:49 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:36:49 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <276266d0703071136g18c5929ag4f5398ee588a88b4@mail.gmail.com>

How about basecamp (www.basecamphq.com)

I believe it has hundreds of thousands of users and I've been a
customer for close to a year. Rails applications usually scale well by
just adding more web servers, app severs and DB servers (depending on
the type of application).

- Cosmin

On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last Monday.  I had
> to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
> Chelimsky for that.
>
> I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My company is
> going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the opportunity
> to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is worth
> looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a large
> service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of concurrent
> sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In fact,
> they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its ability
> to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why I'm
> seeking examples.
>
> Thanks for any insights.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 14:51:05 2007
From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:51:05 -0700
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72799cd70703071151y73ffe18and38b2fb63b9e2934@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is worth
> looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a large
> service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of concurrent
> sessions).

Thoughtworks has done some of this, mostly after I left.  The people
that I knew were in the thick of it were Obie Fernandez and Joe
O'Brien.  If you google for "Enterprise Rails" with those last names,
you'll turn up a lot of references.

And maybe some current TWers will check in?

-Chris

From hubrix at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 15:17:16 2007
From: hubrix at gmail.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:17:16 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <276266d0703071136g18c5929ag4f5398ee588a88b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<276266d0703071136g18c5929ag4f5398ee588a88b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0703071217l4ff438d6x5baa72f2261c1d9b@mail.gmail.com>

Kind of interesting. What does "concurrent session" mean to you. Do you mean
concurrent requests (hundreds of thousands of those seems really scary) or
just hundreds of thousands of web sessions with about 100-200 concurrent
requests?

On 3/7/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How about basecamp (www.basecamphq.com)
>
> I believe it has hundreds of thousands of users and I've been a
> customer for close to a year. Rails applications usually scale well by
> just adding more web servers, app severs and DB servers (depending on
> the type of application).
>
> - Cosmin
>
> On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last Monday.  I
> had
> > to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
> > Chelimsky for that.
> >
> > I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My
> company is
> > going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the
> opportunity
> > to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is
> worth
> > looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a
> large
> > service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of
> concurrent
> > sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In
> fact,
> > they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its
> ability
> > to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why
> I'm
> > seeking examples.
> >
> > Thanks for any insights.
> >
> > Troy
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From tdenkinger at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 16:07:40 2007
From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:07:40 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0703071217l4ff438d6x5baa72f2261c1d9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<276266d0703071136g18c5929ag4f5398ee588a88b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0703071217l4ff438d6x5baa72f2261c1d9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b98e048e0703071307v69fa59eas5a1bc2f2e7289496@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, excellent question.  I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of sessions
currently active, but not all hitting the app at the same time.  Since it's
a web-based service, there are going to be periods where those in active
sessions are not whacking the service but are doing stuff locally.

Thanks for making me clarify.

On 3/7/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kind of interesting. What does "concurrent session" mean to you. Do you
> mean concurrent requests (hundreds of thousands of those seems really scary)
> or just hundreds of thousands of web sessions with about 100-200 concurrent
> requests?
>
> On 3/7/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How about basecamp (www.basecamphq.com)
> >
> > I believe it has hundreds of thousands of users and I've been a
> > customer for close to a year. Rails applications usually scale well by
> > just adding more web servers, app severs and DB servers (depending on
> > the type of application).
> >
> > - Cosmin
> >
> > On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last
> > Monday.  I had
> > > to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
> > > Chelimsky for that.
> > >
> > > I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My
> > company is
> > > going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the
> > opportunity
> > > to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is
> > worth
> > > looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a
> > large
> > > service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of
> > concurrent
> > > sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In
> > fact,
> > > they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its
> > ability
> > > to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why
> > I'm
> > > seeking examples.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any insights.
> > >
> > > Troy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From dave at obtiva.com  Wed Mar  7 16:33:14 2007
From: dave at obtiva.com (Dave Hoover)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:33:14 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0703071307v69fa59eas5a1bc2f2e7289496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<276266d0703071136g18c5929ag4f5398ee588a88b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0703071217l4ff438d6x5baa72f2261c1d9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b98e048e0703071307v69fa59eas5a1bc2f2e7289496@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11c8704e0703071333o5d51be39u8e85ca62058076bf@mail.gmail.com>

So now that you've clarified that, when it comes to scaling Rails,
it's actually more useful to talk in number of requests/second.  Do
you have any numbers on that?

On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, excellent question.  I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of sessions
> currently active, but not all hitting the app at the same time.  Since it's
> a web-based service, there are going to be periods where those in active
> sessions are not whacking the service but are doing stuff locally.
>
> Thanks for making me clarify.
>
>
> On 3/7/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kind of interesting. What does "concurrent session" mean to you. Do you
> mean concurrent requests (hundreds of thousands of those seems really scary)
> or just hundreds of thousands of web sessions with about 100-200 concurrent
> requests?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/07, Cosmin Stejerean < cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > How about basecamp (www.basecamphq.com)
> > >
> > > I believe it has hundreds of thousands of users and I've been a
> > > customer for close to a year. Rails applications usually scale well by
> > > just adding more web servers, app severs and DB servers (depending on
> > > the type of application).
> > >
> > > - Cosmin
> > >
> > > On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger < tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last Monday.
> I had
> > > > to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
> > > > Chelimsky for that.
> > > >
> > > > I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My
> company is
> > > > going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the
> opportunity
> > > > to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is
> worth
> > > > looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a
> large
> > > > service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of
> concurrent
> > > > sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In
> fact,
> > > > they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its
> ability
> > > > to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why
> I'm
> > > > seeking examples.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any insights.
> > > >
> > > > Troy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > > >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> >
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 18:41:57 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:41:57 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380703071541g6348bd4aj33ef359d8f1a3e9@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know about their number of users or infrastructure, but I saw
this on the ROR Blog recently:

http://blog.rubyonrails.com/2007/2/15/rails-application-featured-on-good-morning-america

On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last Monday.  I had
> to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
> Chelimsky for that.
>
> I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My company is
> going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the opportunity
> to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is worth
> looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a large
> service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of concurrent
> sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In fact,
> they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its ability
> to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why I'm
> seeking examples.
>
> Thanks for any insights.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>


-- 
http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
http://CodeSnipers.com

From fitz at red-bean.com  Tue Mar  6 17:38:53 2007
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:38:53 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [Chicago] ChiPy March Meeting Thursday 3/8 RSVP
	encouraged
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0703061203y310f7dd4r433e6f261b8d7cd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5375ad50703061438o2d195da1yd5d00440c5e4838f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Location
> --------
>
> Google's Chicago office
> 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor
> Chicago, IL 60610
>
> Location description:
> "18 story glass and steel building on the Northwest corner of Dearborn
> and Kinzie."

North*east* corner.

The Northwest corner is, um, kind of not yet finished being built.

-Fitz

From shanev at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:00:05 2007
From: shanev at gmail.com (Shane Vitarana)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:00:05 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <43e95380703071541g6348bd4aj33ef359d8f1a3e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703071541g6348bd4aj33ef359d8f1a3e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab757a40703081300y27ed8ad7oe7d600ec56ce320a@mail.gmail.com>

Currently I would say:

penny-arcade.com
43things.com

<http://rubyurl.com/Kws>

And maybe even unspun.amazon.com, but Alexa doesn't have rankings for
sub-domains.

Shane
(http://shanesbrain.net)

On 3/7/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't know about their number of users or infrastructure, but I saw
> this on the ROR Blog recently:
>
>
> http://blog.rubyonrails.com/2007/2/15/rails-application-featured-on-good-morning-america
>
> On 3/7/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > First off, thanks to Josh for hosting the ChiRB meeting last Monday.  I
> had
> > to leave early but what I saw of RSpec was impressive; thanks to Dave
> > Chelimsky for that.
> >
> > I need to ask about existing/in-development large Rails apps.  My
> company is
> > going through a bet of a technology reset and we will have the
> opportunity
> > to re-architect things.  I'd love to convince the execs that Rails is
> worth
> > looking at, but I need to be able to point to someone using it for a
> large
> > service with a user base (measured in hundreds of thousands of
> concurrent
> > sessions).  The execs I have to pitch this to are not anti-Rails.  In
> fact,
> > they think it's great, but they aren't necessarily believers in its
> ability
> > to scale to very large projects.  I'm not sure I am either, that's why
> I'm
> > seeking examples.
> >
> > Thanks for any insights.
> >
> > Troy
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From peter at oaktop.com  Fri Mar  9 00:29:13 2007
From: peter at oaktop.com (Peter K Chan)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 00:29:13 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] North Side Rails Meetup Report
Message-ID: <EF1DE92DE55C044FA9AC700DFFAF90910125F4D6@ntxbeus05.exchange.xchg>

Hi All,
	Just a quick note to let you all know that we have three people
showing up for last night's meetup. We got some good discussion and
coding done. In particular, Chuck Remes and I worked on Uger together.

	We have Chuck to thank for the patch to Uger to remember login.
I will commit it in the next few weeks and with any luck, next month is
the last time you will need to login to chirb.org manually.

	And what have YOU done lately? ;-)

Peter

From tdenkinger at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 11:12:07 2007
From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <4ab757a40703081300y27ed8ad7oe7d600ec56ce320a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703071541g6348bd4aj33ef359d8f1a3e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab757a40703081300y27ed8ad7oe7d600ec56ce320a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b98e048e0703120812k29245f00kef4a0c8c241bc70f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone who replied to this discussion.  I think we've decided,
for the sake of exploiting our core competency, to build this service on
Java/Spring/Hibernate but to build backend systems in ROR.  I told my boss
that my secret hope is that we'll be able bring ROR forward at some point,
and he agreed.

Troy
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From ken at nika.com  Mon Mar 12 15:04:38 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:04:38 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Large Rails Installations
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0703120812k29245f00kef4a0c8c241bc70f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703071038h408dd493l1562d14a1de25cf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703071541g6348bd4aj33ef359d8f1a3e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab757a40703081300y27ed8ad7oe7d600ec56ce320a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b98e048e0703120812k29245f00kef4a0c8c241bc70f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5872d00703121204s34caea1arb2e72b1a1403817@mail.gmail.com>

Troy,

It seems that I'm in a nearly-identical situation to yours:  I'm responsible
for a very large scale architecture that is currently centered on
Java/Spring/Hibernate, and have been supplementing it with Ruby and Rails
tools internally.  All of this is being done with an eye toward whether we
can/should extend the penetration of Rails toward our customer-facing apps.
All signs so far are good.

One key to succeeding so far has been organically growing the knowledge of
Rails within the organization - presentations, proof-of-concept apps,
utilities - in order to set up a pull of interest and excitement within the
organization.

- Ken

On 3/12/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone who replied to this discussion.  I think we've decided,
> for the sake of exploiting our core competency, to build this service on
> Java/Spring/Hibernate but to build backend systems in ROR.  I told my boss
> that my secret hope is that we'll be able bring ROR forward at some point,
> and he agreed.
>
> Troy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
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From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 16:52:04 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:52:04 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
Message-ID: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working up a simple redirect script that will redirect people
trying to access old sub domains to the root site(or anything i want
really).so test.domain.com would be redirected to domain.com

where the problem comes in is when i put a path... when i specify a
file, such as

test.domain.com/stuff.html

it chokes and says:Routing Error - no route found to match
"/stuff.html" with {:method=>:get}

i've never really messed with routes before and all my googling has
turned up nothing...

ideas... suggestions?


here's what i got for routes so far..

ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|

  map.connect '', :controller => "redirect"
  map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
end

From hubrix at hubrix.com  Thu Mar 15 17:36:26 2007
From: hubrix at hubrix.com (Mark Alexander Friedgan)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:36:26 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1112fd0703151436m7430513doce55e90ca58325c0@mail.gmail.com>

just use mod_rewrite
it's much easier to do that

On 3/15/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm working up a simple redirect script that will redirect people
> trying to access old sub domains to the root site(or anything i want
> really).so test.domain.com would be redirected to domain.com
>
> where the problem comes in is when i put a path... when i specify a
> file, such as
>
> test.domain.com/stuff.html
>
> it chokes and says:Routing Error - no route found to match
> "/stuff.html" with {:method=>:get}
>
> i've never really messed with routes before and all my googling has
> turned up nothing...
>
> ideas... suggestions?
>
>
> here's what i got for routes so far..
>
> ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|
>
>   map.connect '', :controller => "redirect"
>   map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
> end
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 17:56:59 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:56:59 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <e1112fd0703151436m7430513doce55e90ca58325c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1112fd0703151436m7430513doce55e90ca58325c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0703151456u68de832am94e7682c8f9ed6e7@mail.gmail.com>

well i should have added that i'm using mongel... it's a windows shop..  8(



On 3/15/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
> just use mod_rewrite
> it's much easier to do that
>
> On 3/15/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm working up a simple redirect script that will redirect people
> > trying to access old sub domains to the root site(or anything i want
> > really).so test.domain.com would be redirected to domain.com
> >
> > where the problem comes in is when i put a path... when i specify a
> > file, such as
> >
> > test.domain.com/stuff.html
> >
> > it chokes and says:Routing Error - no route found to match
> > "/stuff.html" with {:method=>:get}
> >
> > i've never really messed with routes before and all my googling has
> > turned up nothing...
> >
> > ideas... suggestions?
> >
> >
> > here's what i got for routes so far..
> >
> > ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|
> >
> >   map.connect '', :controller => "redirect"
> >   map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
> > end
> > _______________________________________________
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From dave at obtiva.com  Thu Mar 15 18:07:30 2007
From: dave at obtiva.com (Dave Hoover)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11c8704e0703151507x735174aao898d985340a74f66@mail.gmail.com>

> test.domain.com/stuff.html
>
> it chokes and says:Routing Error - no route found to match
> "/stuff.html" with {:method=>:get}

And does stuff.html live in RAILS_ROOT/public ?

From natebkirby at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 18:20:29 2007
From: natebkirby at yahoo.com (Nate Kirby)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:20:29 +0800
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0703151456u68de832am94e7682c8f9ed6e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>	<e1112fd0703151436m7430513doce55e90ca58325c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<507da57a0703151456u68de832am94e7682c8f9ed6e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F9C6AD.7090000@yahoo.com>

I have a real strange routing situation.  I have a site that is 
combination of rails and tomcat.  All the web requests come in thru 
tomcat and (via some code) the ones with \Redirector at the front get 
forwarded to the rails portion of the app.

My routes.rb is

ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|
  map.connect 'Redirector/:controller/:action/:id'
  map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
end

My question is about static files in public.  Whenever a javascript file 
is requested, rails gens \javscripts\prototype.js which will get handled 
by tomcat.  We changed it to \Redirector\javscripts\prototype.js but 
then the files only served up if \public\Redirector\javascripts exists 
and contains the requested file.  Of course this broke AJAX which is 
where we found it.

This feels very ugly for a rails app.

There is also an issue with the host/domain that gets returned. Let's 
say www.mysite.com is the public URL that apache (and tomcat) serves and 
that rails is running under mongrel.  Any request for 
www.mysite.com/Redirector gets forwarded to rails at admin.mysite.com.  
However, rails redirect_to and url_for return to admin.mysite.com, not 
www.mysite.com/Redirector.  We had to override redirect_to because the 
option for host as an override did not have the desired effect.

This seems very ugly for a rails app.

Is there any good way to us routes to, for instance, map http: to ftp:, 
or redirect (map) from admin.mysite.com to www.mysite.com?

Any suggestions?

Blessings,
Nate

colin h wrote:
> well i should have added that i'm using mongel... it's a windows shop..  8(
>
>
>
> On 3/15/07, Mark Alexander Friedgan <hubrix at hubrix.com> wrote:
>   
>> just use mod_rewrite
>> it's much easier to do that
>>
>> On 3/15/07, colin h <qzzzq1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm working up a simple redirect script that will redirect people
>>> trying to access old sub domains to the root site(or anything i want
>>> really).so test.domain.com would be redirected to domain.com
>>>
>>> where the problem comes in is when i put a path... when i specify a
>>> file, such as
>>>
>>> test.domain.com/stuff.html
>>>
>>> it chokes and says:Routing Error - no route found to match
>>> "/stuff.html" with {:method=>:get}
>>>
>>> i've never really messed with routes before and all my googling has
>>> turned up nothing...
>>>
>>> ideas... suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>> here's what i got for routes so far..
>>>
>>> ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|
>>>
>>>   map.connect '', :controller => "redirect"
>>>   map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
>>> end
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 18:48:42 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:48:42 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <11c8704e0703151507x735174aao898d985340a74f66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
	<11c8704e0703151507x735174aao898d985340a74f66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0703151548h2cd3c8b6lf681c4ef4a125ccd@mail.gmail.com>

No, I want to preserve any path information and pass it along. Here is
an outline oh what I I am doing.

On a request I nab the host field from the http header

I query the database for the site to redirect this to and send a http
redirect with this new site

I want to preserve any path information that's sent to add to the
redirect url. I don't really care if it results in a 404 or not.  I am
not actually accessing any files off of the rails server.

Does that help make a little more sense?

On 3/15/07, Dave Hoover <dave at obtiva.com> wrote:
> > test.domain.com/stuff.html
> >
> > it chokes and says:Routing Error - no route found to match
> > "/stuff.html" with {:method=>:get}
>
> And does stuff.html live in RAILS_ROOT/public ?
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From dave at obtiva.com  Fri Mar 16 00:20:00 2007
From: dave at obtiva.com (Dave Hoover)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:20:00 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11c8704e0703152120r6b84fa3bve37576a8aa2e5a49@mail.gmail.com>

> here's what i got for routes so far..
>
> ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|
>
>   map.connect '', :controller => "redirect"
>   map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
> end

# this will match only one path, your front page:  http://foo.bar.com/
map.connect '', ...

# this is the default Rails route and will match all sorts of
# things, as long as the corresponding controllers and
# actions already exist
map.connect ':controller/:action/:id', ...

It sounds like you need a third route that acts as a catch-all.

# put this at the very end, or none of your other routes will ever match!
map.connect '*catchall', :controller => ...

Then in whatever controller/action you hook up to the catchall route,
you can either use request.path or params[:catchall] to get at the
incoming path as a String or an Array of elements (respectively).

Hope that helps,

Dave Hoover
http://obtiva.com/
http://redsquirrel.com/dave/

From qzzzq1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 12:23:08 2007
From: qzzzq1 at gmail.com (colin h)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <11c8704e0703152120r6b84fa3bve37576a8aa2e5a49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
	<11c8704e0703152120r6b84fa3bve37576a8aa2e5a49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507da57a0703190923j2a54003evd220ea29ba223d65@mail.gmail.com>

this worked fantastically!

so i guess i was a little confused at first, i thought the routing
wildcards were like File wildcards...  so that *catchall would only
match

http://test.domain.com/stuff-catchall
http://test.domain.com/things-catchall


but the name after the * just is the hash key you access it with?  is
that accurate?



On 3/15/07, Dave Hoover <dave at obtiva.com> wrote:
> > here's what i got for routes so far..
> >
> > ActionController::Routing::Routes.draw do |map|
> >
> >   map.connect '', :controller => "redirect"
> >   map.connect ':controller/:action/:id'
> > end
>
> # this will match only one path, your front page:  http://foo.bar.com/
> map.connect '', ...
>
> # this is the default Rails route and will match all sorts of
> # things, as long as the corresponding controllers and
> # actions already exist
> map.connect ':controller/:action/:id', ...
>
> It sounds like you need a third route that acts as a catch-all.
>
> # put this at the very end, or none of your other routes will ever match!
> map.connect '*catchall', :controller => ...
>
> Then in whatever controller/action you hook up to the catchall route,
> you can either use request.path or params[:catchall] to get at the
> incoming path as a String or an Array of elements (respectively).
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Dave Hoover
> http://obtiva.com/
> http://redsquirrel.com/dave/
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From dave at obtiva.com  Mon Mar 19 12:38:41 2007
From: dave at obtiva.com (Dave Hoover)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:38:41 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Routing Question
In-Reply-To: <507da57a0703190923j2a54003evd220ea29ba223d65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507da57a0703151352y4a9185fcp38f7788188fcf02f@mail.gmail.com>
	<11c8704e0703152120r6b84fa3bve37576a8aa2e5a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<507da57a0703190923j2a54003evd220ea29ba223d65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11c8704e0703190938o33f3532ey72f74ecae89d7a8d@mail.gmail.com>

> but the name after the * just is the hash key you access it with?  is
> that accurate?

yes, and it return an Array:
/foo/bar/baz => ["foo", "bar", "baz"]

From kevin at obtiva.com  Thu Mar 22 17:18:27 2007
From: kevin at obtiva.com (Kevin Taylor)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Seeking Software Apprentices
Message-ID: <744d5a650703221418s3865f2e3i783eeef32868476@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking for 1 full-time and 1 part-time Software Apprentice.

Do you:
- see beauty in code?

Do you:
- believe in doing the simplest thing that could possibly work?

Do you:
- thrive in an open, honest, and collaborative environment?

Do you:
- know what "Red, Green, Refactor" means?

Do you:
- have at least 6 mos. of coding experience

Do you:
- want to work on Ruby on Rails projects?

If you can answer yes to all of the above questions and you want to be part
of a fast growing agile consulting team, send a resume and a short letter
describing why you want to be considered. Resumes without a letter will not
be considered.

You will be working in our Wheaton office. We are located near I-88 and
within walking distance of the train station.

No third parties, please.

Thanks,

-- 
--Kevin P. Taylor
Obtiva Corp.
Training and Consulting
Direct: 630.456.1388
Fax: 315.351.1388

www.obtiva.com
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From tdenkinger at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 11:12:06 2007
From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
Message-ID: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone give me a good recommendation for a hosting service with good
Rails support?  I've used Dreamhost in the past and been only moderately
happy with them.

Thanks,

Troy
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From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 11:47:27 2007
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:27 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
In-Reply-To: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>

I like RailsPlayground.com ... Joe has even been nice enough on several
occasions to help me debug my code or point me in the right direction.


On 3/29/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can anyone give me a good recommendation for a hosting service with good
> Rails support?  I've used Dreamhost in the past and been only moderately
> happy with them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Troy
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>



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From ken at nika.com  Thu Mar 29 11:51:14 2007
From: ken at nika.com (Ken Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:51:14 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
In-Reply-To: <43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5872d00703290851h19be6d69q98b6f7afba4e6903@mail.gmail.com>

I have had some very positive interaction with the folks at railsmachine,
but am not yet hosting anything with them.

I have also spoken gotten positive feedback from people who are hosting with
them.

http://www.railsmachine.com is worth a look.

- Ken

On 3/29/07, Nola Stowe <mrnicksgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like RailsPlayground.com ... Joe has even been nice enough on several
> occasions to help me debug my code or point me in the right direction.
>
>
> On 3/29/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone give me a good recommendation for a hosting service with good
> > Rails support?  I've used Dreamhost in the past and been only moderately
> > happy with them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Troy
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
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From mmusiolik at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 12:00:36 2007
From: mmusiolik at gmail.com (Marcin Musiolik)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:00:36 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Looking for superstar developer for rocket ship startup
Message-ID: <fbebff9b0703290900qebdcd4ep1818055a1726669e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

We are an early-stage startup with enormous market momentum, a phenomenal
business plan, impressive angel investors, and the seasoned management to
execute. We are looking for someone to take our development to the next
level. This is a great opportunity for a superstar to have a major impact
working with cutting edge technology.

The ideal candidate will be passionate, self-motivated, willing to do
anything and everything to succeed. Should be familiar with test-based
development, extreme programming, or be willing to learn.

Experience in:

-Ruby on Rails
-Junit
-HTML
-Javascript and AJAX
-Web services
-SVN
-Apache and Lighttpd


Please send a link to your resume and some examples of work that you have
done. We will contact qualified candidates for a follow-up.

Thank you :)

Marcin Musiolik
marcin at bringo.com
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From bboyer at monogram.org  Thu Mar 29 11:55:29 2007
From: bboyer at monogram.org (Brian Boyer)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:55:29 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
In-Reply-To: <43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460BE171.7010003@monogram.org>

we're currently set up on textdrive shared hosting - it's pretty cheap 
and everything seems to work nicely.

brian

Nola Stowe wrote:
> I like RailsPlayground.com ... Joe has even been nice enough on several 
> occasions to help me debug my code or point me in the right direction.
> 
> 
> On 3/29/07, * Troy Denkinger* <tdenkinger at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tdenkinger at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Can anyone give me a good recommendation for a hosting service with
>     good Rails support?  I've used Dreamhost in the past and been only
>     moderately happy with them. 
> 
>     Thanks,
> 
>     Troy
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jeff.barczewski at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 13:00:26 2007
From: jeff.barczewski at gmail.com (Jeff Barczewski)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
In-Reply-To: <460BE171.7010003@monogram.org>
References: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
	<460BE171.7010003@monogram.org>
Message-ID: <19cda190703291000t4d048a73t39f909c08c66cb4f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/29/07, Brian Boyer <bboyer at monogram.org> wrote:
>
> we're currently set up on textdrive shared hosting - it's pretty cheap
> and everything seems to work nicely.
>
>

Several people I know have complained about textdrive (namely uptime,
servers being overloaded, and when a user changes something apache restarts
for all hosts on box). Personally I have not used them so I cannot confirm
nor deny any of these claims, but I respect the people that have made them.

To get a dedicated virtual host, I would recommend slicehost.com (which is
who I use).

If you want shared hosting, others have said that bluehost.com is pretty
good.

Jeff
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From carmelyne at pwim.com  Thu Mar 29 12:23:30 2007
From: carmelyne at pwim.com (Carmelyne Thompson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Chirb]  Rails Hosting
In-Reply-To: <43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460BE802.7020505@pwim.com>

Hi --

I'd recommend getting a slice with SliceHost. http://www.slicehost.com. 
You'd have to set up your live environment though and the sky is your 
limit so you can go either way with Apache or Nginx, Lightty or 
LiteSpeed or Mongrel.

Carmelyne Thompson
http://www.carmelyne.com
http://www.devchix.com


Nola Stowe wrote:
> I like RailsPlayground.com ... Joe has even been nice enough on 
> several occasions to help me debug my code or point me in the right 
> direction.
>
>
> On 3/29/07, * Troy Denkinger* <tdenkinger at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tdenkinger at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Can anyone give me a good recommendation for a hosting service
>     with good Rails support?  I've used Dreamhost in the past and been
>     only moderately happy with them. 
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Troy
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
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>
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From cameron at theworkinggroup.ca  Thu Mar 29 14:00:10 2007
From: cameron at theworkinggroup.ca (Cameron Booth)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:00:10 -0400
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
In-Reply-To: <460BE802.7020505@pwim.com>
References: <b98e048e0703290812y21d49ef0nec25a0f321d14eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43e95380703290847y7bf0d8dfmc4ae107e93c28165@mail.gmail.com>
	<460BE802.7020505@pwim.com>
Message-ID: <771DCBDF-E3E1-4852-8BF8-A9815CF890B4@theworkinggroup.ca>

I've now used railsmachine.com for one project, and really liked  
them, fast personal support. But  they're on the higher end of VPS  
pricing.

Slicehost is running another (smaller) project that has just gone  
live, and so far so good there too. I used the "deprec" gem to get up  
and running on Slicehost in like 15 minutes, which was pretty nice.

Cameron



On 29-Mar-07, at 12:23 PM, Carmelyne Thompson wrote:

> Hi --
>
> I'd recommend getting a slice with SliceHost. http:// 
> www.slicehost.com. You'd have to set up your live environment  
> though and the sky is your limit so you can go either way with  
> Apache or Nginx, Lightty or LiteSpeed or Mongrel.
>
> Carmelyne Thompson
> http://www.carmelyne.com
> http://www.devchix.com
>
>
> Nola Stowe wrote:
>> I like RailsPlayground.com ... Joe has even been nice enough on  
>> several occasions to help me debug my code or point me in the  
>> right direction.
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/07, Troy Denkinger <tdenkinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone give me a good recommendation for a hosting service  
>> with good Rails support?  I've used Dreamhost in the past and been  
>> only moderately happy with them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Troy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>>
>>
>>
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From tdenkinger at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 16:17:01 2007
From: tdenkinger at gmail.com (Troy Denkinger)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:17:01 -0500
Subject: [Chirb] Rails Hosting
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my question.  I'll be checking out a
number of these.

Regards,

Troy
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From mbarton73 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 30 15:43:28 2007
From: mbarton73 at comcast.net (Mark Barton)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:43:28 +0000
Subject: [Chirb] RadRails has moved!
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The RadRails.org site has been down for a week.  Until it comes back, use http://radrails.net/ or http://radrails01.managed.contegix.com/.  The good news is that RadRails isn't dead;  Aptana is taking it over.
--Mark Barton