From stcorbett at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 22:29:12 2008
From: stcorbett at gmail.com (Sean Corbett)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:29:12 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [Chicago] next meeting: Ruby/Python Language Comparison?
Message-ID: <b7391af90812011929w2cdd9c9dg80fca02107562c9e@mail.gmail.com>

Any interest in bringing the two Chicago language user groups together for a
comparison?

-Sean Corbett

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>
>  classes are over. It seems I will be able to make it to the last meeting
>> of the year. What's on the agenda? The web site says TDB.
>>
>
>
> I wonder if someone who is very diplomatic and truly fair would be willing
> to do a Ruby / Python language comparison?
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
>
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> Chicago at python.org
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From bray at sent.com  Mon Dec  1 23:18:04 2008
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:18:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [Chicago] next meeting: Ruby/Python Language Comparison?
In-Reply-To: <b7391af90812011929w2cdd9c9dg80fca02107562c9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b7391af90812011929w2cdd9c9dg80fca02107562c9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F22F22BB-D33F-46A6-BF54-3B11FE8D359F@sent.com>


On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Sean Corbett wrote:

> Any interest in bringing the two Chicago language user groups  
> together for a comparison?
>

I was not considering that.   I wanted only *one* of the presentations  
to be roughly comparing Ruby. And want it to be done by someone who  
can be very professional. It is not like I flame war would not be fun,  
it is just not what I want this time. We could dedicate some other  
month meeting to a real slap down.... later.

We have a pretty strong following right not by those using Python for  
some things where they will never have the opportunity nor desire to  
look at other languages. We need to have the other two or so ChiPy  
Presentation cover those interests. The other topics would probably be  
very different. Not really that language specific, but more focused on  
a particular Python project.

Sean, are you offering to present? Are you an un-biased authority on  
both languages? Someone who can show the good sides of both without  
getting carried away? This is what I am looking for. Anyone else?  
Bueller  ? Bueller  ?	

-- Brian Ray




From reborgml at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 16:31:12 2008
From: reborgml at gmail.com (Renzo Borgatti)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:31:12 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [JOB] Ruby/Rails @ AgilePartners
Message-ID: <39090DD0-6A86-467C-B7D4-E6C6650A53FA@gmail.com>

Hello Chirbers,

Agile Partners (http://agilepartners.com) is looking for Ruby  
developers with outstanding coding skills and great imagination to  
help us deliver web-based solutions for our clients. We currently have  
several exciting new projects ramping up.

You'd work as a key Ruby contributor on one of our tight-knit  
development teams - helping us to continually improve our agile  
process. We'd expect you to have advanced knowledge of Ruby and  
experience using either Rails or Merb. Familiarity with automated  
testing tools like rspec, webrat, and selenium is a plus.  
Additionally, a background in Java and/or Objective C would be of  
interest. Full time and contract positions are available. If  
interested, please send an email containing your resume to jobs at agilepartners.com 
. No recruiters or offshore firms please.

Thanks,
Renzo

From bray at sent.com  Mon Dec  8 20:11:51 2008
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:11:51 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] ANN ChiPy December Meeting Thursday the 11th at ThoughtWork,
	pls RSVP
Message-ID: <41BB7DF8-AA42-4148-A022-D0A3985BAEE1@sent.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

Calling all Chicago Python Ninja's, this will be our best meeting yet-- 
this Thursday. (if not, there will be some pretty darn good pizza in  
here)

Insert funny comic here: <http://tinyurl.com/6b2oln>

We have some interesting dragon slaying talks lined up this month.  
Starting off, Garrett will mix theory with practice in another one of  
his highly thought provoking talks.  Professor DiPierro will go all  
out with the tools that serve as his student's weapons in the real  
world. Josh will brave the Python waters as n00b who comes from the  
dark side and will probably tell us a interesting Ninja story while  
displaying Pythonic charm and charism--all while balancing on one  
leg ;) Do not try this at home. In fact, staying home will not be as  
much fun or as educational, folks.

This *will* be our best meeting yet.

Topics
------

   * Bazaar within Subversion, Personal Workflow - Garrett Smith
   * T2 (web2py tier two) and T3 - Massimo DiPierro
   * Beginning Python with AppEngine -  Josh Cronemeyer

NOTE: Due to the high level of interest in various talks, I have  
limited talk length to 25-30 min. Offenders will be severely punished  
by my personal Ninja friend.

When
----

Thursday, December 11th, 6:30pm Pizza
Thursday, December 11th, ~ 7pm Meeting

Location
--------

ThoughtWorks, 200 E. Randolph 25th floor.

RSVP jcroneme (at) thoughtworks.com  with a funny Monty Python Quote  
(he is serious, made me find one)


About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce 
 >
Python website: <http://python.org>



From adyrcz at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 13:43:46 2008
From: adyrcz at gmail.com (Andy Dyrcz)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:43:46 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
Message-ID: <320e96240812161043s1d611258q11f703a269352ade@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone give an actual explaination of the differences between Rails and
Merb?
Are there any reasons why I would want to use one over the other?
Pros and Cons of using them?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


Andy Dyrcz

A+, Network +, Linux +
adyrcz at gmail.com

*Please consider the planet before printing this email. You'll save a tree,
save the clutter and maybe help save your colleagues and friends from an
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From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 13:48:04 2008
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:48:04 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
In-Reply-To: <320e96240812161043s1d611258q11f703a269352ade@mail.gmail.com>
References: <320e96240812161043s1d611258q11f703a269352ade@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0812161048r31b31408kff6c81cf124f07ca@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like a good topic for a chirb meeting! Anyone interested in a
panel discussion?

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone give an actual explaination of the differences between Rails and
> Merb?
> Are there any reasons why I would want to use one over the other?
> Pros and Cons of using them?
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
> adyrcz at gmail.com
>
> Please consider the planet before printing this email. You'll save a tree,
> save the clutter and maybe help save your colleagues and friends from an
> avalanche of needless paper.
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Dec 16 16:50:11 2008
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:50:11 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
In-Reply-To: <57c63afe0812161048r31b31408kff6c81cf124f07ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFAB596B60.2F0FD474-ON86257521.0077F159-86257521.0078490A@thoughtworks.com>

good idea

PEACE!
Josh Cronemeyer



"David Chelimsky" <dchelimsky at gmail.com> 
Sent by: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
12/16/08 12:48 PM
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To
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Subject
Re: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb






Sounds like a good topic for a chirb meeting! Anyone interested in a
panel discussion?

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone give an actual explaination of the differences between Rails 
and
> Merb?
> Are there any reasons why I would want to use one over the other?
> Pros and Cons of using them?
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Andy Dyrcz
>
> A+, Network +, Linux +
> adyrcz at gmail.com
>
> Please consider the planet before printing this email. You'll save a 
tree,
> save the clutter and maybe help save your colleagues and friends from an
> avalanche of needless paper.
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
_______________________________________________
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From andy at obtiva.com  Tue Dec 16 17:43:29 2008
From: andy at obtiva.com (Andy Maleh)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:43:29 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
In-Reply-To: <OFAB596B60.2F0FD474-ON86257521.0077F159-86257521.0078490A@thoughtworks.com>
References: <57c63afe0812161048r31b31408kff6c81cf124f07ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFAB596B60.2F0FD474-ON86257521.0077F159-86257521.0078490A@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <620ca2c40812161443y66b22a97jf48c00f2b4078809@mail.gmail.com>

Merb is basically Rails stripped down to the core, and then re-built
modularly with lego-like pieces (to support different database technologies,
different view technologies, etc...)
It allows you to piece your app in a hierarchical form, similar to how
Eclipse and NetBeans IDEs are built from plug-ins.

So you can build a web app using the comments plugin, authentication plugin,
rating plugin, except each plugin spans the whole MVC stack, including some
view behavior if it makes sense, and they're pieced with dependencies on
other plugins where it makes sense too.

I hope that helps as a brief summary of what Merb is.

Both Rails and Merb are useful depending on what you're trying to
accomplish.

The cool thing about Merb is it feels very similar to Rails, so you won't
lose any of your Rails skills when working in it.

Andy

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Josh Cronemeyer
<jcroneme at thoughtworks.com>wrote:

>
> good idea
>
> PEACE!
> Josh Cronemeyer
>
>
>  *"David Chelimsky" <dchelimsky at gmail.com>*
> Sent by: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
>
> 12/16/08 12:48 PM
>  Please respond to
> Chirb discussion list <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>
>
>   To
> "Chirb discussion list" <chicagogroup-members-list at rubyforge.org>  cc
>   Subject
> Re: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
>
>
>
>
> Sounds like a good topic for a chirb meeting! Anyone interested in a
> panel discussion?
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Andy Dyrcz <adyrcz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone give an actual explaination of the differences between Rails
> and
> > Merb?
> > Are there any reasons why I would want to use one over the other?
> > Pros and Cons of using them?
> > Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Andy Dyrcz
> >
> > A+, Network +, Linux +
> > adyrcz at gmail.com
> >
> > Please consider the planet before printing this email. You'll save a
> tree,
> > save the clutter and maybe help save your colleagues and friends from an
> > avalanche of needless paper.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
>  <http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list>
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sjain at iit.edu  Tue Dec 16 18:26:35 2008
From: sjain at iit.edu (Sharad Jain)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:26:35 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
In-Reply-To: <620ca2c40812161443y66b22a97jf48c00f2b4078809@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57c63afe0812161048r31b31408kff6c81cf124f07ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFAB596B60.2F0FD474-ON86257521.0077F159-86257521.0078490A@thoughtworks.com>
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From ninja at hanoian.com  Tue Dec 16 20:23:40 2008
From: ninja at hanoian.com (ninja at hanoian.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
In-Reply-To: <4948392B.7020506@iit.edu>
References: <57c63afe0812161048r31b31408kff6c81cf124f07ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFAB596B60.2F0FD474-ON86257521.0077F159-86257521.0078490A@thoughtworks.com>
	<620ca2c40812161443y66b22a97jf48c00f2b4078809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4948392B.7020506@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <39258.127.0.0.1.1229477020.squirrel@hanoian.com>

Things that distinguish Merb and Rails are:
- Merb is thread-safe, multi-thread, Rails is single-thread, so Merb takes
much less computing resources such as CPU and memory.

- Code of Merb is more rubyist than Rails code, and easier to understand.

- There are less libraries and plugins for Merb now, compared to Rails.

- Merb community is currently smaller than Rails community.

- Merb is smaller than Rails in term of amount  dependent frameworks.

Other than that, I think that they are pretty much similar.

Linh.


From ninja at hanoian.com  Tue Dec 16 19:32:56 2008
From: ninja at hanoian.com (ninja at hanoian.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:32:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
Message-ID: <35301.127.0.0.1.1229473976.squirrel@hanoian.com>

Things that distinguish Merb and Rails are:
- Merb is thread-safe, multi-thread, Rails is single-thread, so Merb takes
much less computing resources such as CPU and memory.

- Code of Merb is more rubyist than Rails code, and easier to understand.

- There are less libraries and plugins for Merb now, compared to Rails.

- Merb community is currently smaller than Rails community.

- Merb is smaller than Rails in term of amount  dependent frameworks.

Other than that, I think that they are pretty much similar.

Linh.




From kevin at obtiva.com  Tue Dec 16 22:20:16 2008
From: kevin at obtiva.com (Kevin Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:20:16 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
Message-ID: <744d5a650812161920n41f46fc7x37bba80593d33d@mail.gmail.com>

All,

FYI, for those of you learning Rails, we have scheduled our next Ruby on
Rails TDD Boot Camp for Feb 2-5, 2009 in Chicago. If history repeats itself,
this will likely be the only one (or two) that we'll hold in Chicago for
2009.

You can visit here for details:
http://obtiva.com/ruby-on-rails-tdd-boot-camp.

Thx,

--
Kevin P. Taylor
312.380.6672

//obtiva - Agility Applied. Software Delivered.

http://obtiva.com
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From dchelimsky at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 22:58:39 2008
From: dchelimsky at gmail.com (David Chelimsky)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:58:39 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] Rails vs Merb
In-Reply-To: <39258.127.0.0.1.1229477020.squirrel@hanoian.com>
References: <57c63afe0812161048r31b31408kff6c81cf124f07ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFAB596B60.2F0FD474-ON86257521.0077F159-86257521.0078490A@thoughtworks.com>
	<620ca2c40812161443y66b22a97jf48c00f2b4078809@mail.gmail.com>
	<4948392B.7020506@iit.edu>
	<39258.127.0.0.1.1229477020.squirrel@hanoian.com>
Message-ID: <57c63afe0812161958j47bb586ah875ac6f609326642@mail.gmail.com>

There's one thing I'd add to this. I've been working on a merb app
and, while the framework is still fairly young and there is a bit of
churn (not API churn, but they've done 4 releases in a month), the
folks in the #merb channel on freenode are very, very helpful.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:23 PM,  <ninja at hanoian.com> wrote:
> Things that distinguish Merb and Rails are:
> - Merb is thread-safe, multi-thread, Rails is single-thread, so Merb takes
> much less computing resources such as CPU and memory.
>
> - Code of Merb is more rubyist than Rails code, and easier to understand.
>
> - There are less libraries and plugins for Merb now, compared to Rails.
>
> - Merb community is currently smaller than Rails community.
>
> - Merb is smaller than Rails in term of amount  dependent frameworks.
>
> Other than that, I think that they are pretty much similar.
>
> Linh.
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
>

From AMinard at FSC.Follett.com  Wed Dec 17 11:17:51 2008
From: AMinard at FSC.Follett.com (Minard, Andrea (FSC))
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:17:51 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
In-Reply-To: <744d5a650812161920n41f46fc7x37bba80593d33d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <744d5a650812161920n41f46fc7x37bba80593d33d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902B9BC01@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>

Hi Kevin,
 
I have joined Chirb as I am a recruiter with Follett Digital Resources
in McHenry looking to fill a full time PHP/Ruby on Rails Sr. Web
Applications Developer role. This newly created position is for a
division of Follett Corporation (www.follett.com
<http://www.follett.com> ), which is Follett Digital Resources
(www.fdr.follett.com <http://www.fdr.follett.com> ).  Below is a link to
the position.  I have posted this position recently on your site with
only one candidate response.  I wanted to reach you to you and see if
you have any ideas, referrals or people to network with.  Below is a
link to the position and a bit more information about our business.
 
http://www.follett.com/careers/showjobdesc.cfm?jobid=7363

Follett Digital Resources, Inc., (www.fdr.follett.com
<http://www.fdr.follett.com/> ) a Follett Corporation Company,
(www.follett.com <http://www.follett.com/> ) helps publishers leverage
their content assets to secure a profitable place in today's competitive
digital environment.  We provide the software, services and experience
to reliably and cost-effectively create and distribute digital products
in the education, library and trade book sectors.  We also work with our
customers to develop web based classroom solutions for educators.

Follett Digital Resources, Inc. is always seeking committed, motivated
individuals to join our company. We use a wide array or cutting edge
technologies, so you will find all the technical challenges you could
want.  Plus, we offer excellent growth and advancement opportunities.

Please review our information and let me know if you would be willing to
network with me or provide any other ideas.  I did also post this
position on RoRjobs.com.  Thank you for your time and attention, and I
look forward to your response.

Regards,

Andrea Minard
Senior Recruiter
Follett Digital Resources
815-578-7150
www.fdr.follett.com <http://www.fdr.follett.com> 

________________________________

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Kevin Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:20 PM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp


All,

FYI, for those of you learning Rails, we have scheduled our next Ruby on
Rails TDD Boot Camp for Feb 2-5, 2009 in Chicago. If history repeats
itself, this will likely be the only one (or two) that we'll hold in
Chicago for 2009.

You can visit here for details:
http://obtiva.com/ruby-on-rails-tdd-boot-camp.

Thx,

--
Kevin P. Taylor
312.380.6672

//obtiva - Agility Applied. Software Delivered.

http://obtiva.com



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From ryan.platte at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 12:30:37 2008
From: ryan.platte at gmail.com (Ryan Platte)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:30:37 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
In-Reply-To: <FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902B9BC01@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>
References: <744d5a650812161920n41f46fc7x37bba80593d33d@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902B9BC01@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0812170930g6db193cdrb25da5e579f39b71@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andrea,
This is the mailing list for a group of Ruby developers. We currently allow
members of the business community to post job opportunities and other
business offers, but the main purpose of the group and its list is to
discuss Ruby development and our meetings.

So announcements are currently OK, but please take replies/followups about
business off-list.

Ryan
Chirb list admin


On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Minard, Andrea (FSC) <
AMinard at fsc.follett.com> wrote:

>  Hi Kevin,
>
> I have joined Chirb as I am a recruiter with Follett Digital Resources in
> McHenry looking to fill a full time PHP/Ruby on Rails Sr. Web Applications
> Developer role. This newly created position is for a division of Follett
> Corporation (www.follett.com), which is Follett Digital Resources (
> www.fdr.follett.com).  Below is a link to the position.  I have posted
> this position recently on your site with only one candidate response.  I
> wanted to reach you to you and see if you have any ideas, referrals or
> people to network with.  Below is a link to the position and a bit more
> information about our business.
>
> http://www.follett.com/careers/showjobdesc.cfm?jobid=7363
>
> Follett Digital Resources, Inc., (www.fdr.follett.com) a Follett
> Corporation Company, (www.follett.com) helps publishers leverage their
> content assets to secure a profitable place in today's competitive digital
> environment.  We provide the software, services and experience to reliably
> and cost-effectively create and distribute digital products in the
> education, library and trade book sectors.  We also work with our customers
> to develop web based classroom solutions for educators.
>
> Follett Digital Resources, Inc. is always seeking committed, motivated
> individuals to join our company. We use a wide array or cutting edge
> technologies, so you will find all the technical challenges you could want.
> Plus, we offer excellent growth and advancement opportunities.
>
> Please review our information and let me know if you would be willing to
> network with me or provide any other ideas.  I did also post this position
> on RoRjobs.com.  Thank you for your time and attention, and I look forward
> to your response.
>
> Regards,
> *Andrea Minard*
> Senior Recruiter
> Follett Digital Resources
> 815-578-7150
> www.fdr.follett.com
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
> Taylor
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:20 PM
> *To:* Chirb discussion list
> *Subject:* [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
>
> All,
>
> FYI, for those of you learning Rails, we have scheduled our next Ruby on
> Rails TDD Boot Camp for Feb 2-5, 2009 in Chicago. If history repeats itself,
> this will likely be the only one (or two) that we'll hold in Chicago for
> 2009.
>
> You can visit here for details:
> http://obtiva.com/ruby-on-rails-tdd-boot-camp.
>
> Thx,
>
> --
> Kevin P. Taylor
> 312.380.6672
>
> //obtiva - Agility Applied. Software Delivered.
>
> http://obtiva.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
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From AMinard at FSC.Follett.com  Wed Dec 17 13:24:21 2008
From: AMinard at FSC.Follett.com (Minard, Andrea (FSC))
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:24:21 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0812170930g6db193cdrb25da5e579f39b71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <744d5a650812161920n41f46fc7x37bba80593d33d@mail.gmail.com><FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902B9BC01@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>
	<2f1a1dcb0812170930g6db193cdrb25da5e579f39b71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902BF2C66@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>

Hi Ryan,
 
Thanks for your message and I understand and will comply.  I apologize
if I have offended you or any of your members.  That certainly was not
my intention.  
 
Happy Holidays to you.
 
Andrea Minard
Senior Recruiter
Follett Software Company
815-578-7150
www.follettsoftware.com

________________________________

From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Ryan Platte
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:31 AM
To: Chirb discussion list
Subject: Re: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp


Hi Andrea, 

This is the mailing list for a group of Ruby developers. We currently
allow members of the business community to post job opportunities and
other business offers, but the main purpose of the group and its list is
to discuss Ruby development and our meetings.

So announcements are currently OK, but please take replies/followups
about business off-list.

Ryan
Chirb list admin



On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Minard, Andrea (FSC)
<AMinard at fsc.follett.com> wrote:


	Hi Kevin,
	 
	I have joined Chirb as I am a recruiter with Follett Digital
Resources in McHenry looking to fill a full time PHP/Ruby on Rails Sr.
Web Applications Developer role. This newly created position is for a
division of Follett Corporation (www.follett.com
<http://www.follett.com> ), which is Follett Digital Resources
(www.fdr.follett.com <http://www.fdr.follett.com> ).  Below is a link to
the position.  I have posted this position recently on your site with
only one candidate response.  I wanted to reach you to you and see if
you have any ideas, referrals or people to network with.  Below is a
link to the position and a bit more information about our business.
	 
	http://www.follett.com/careers/showjobdesc.cfm?jobid=7363

	Follett Digital Resources, Inc., (www.fdr.follett.com
<http://www.fdr.follett.com/> ) a Follett Corporation Company,
(www.follett.com <http://www.follett.com/> ) helps publishers leverage
their content assets to secure a profitable place in today's competitive
digital environment.  We provide the software, services and experience
to reliably and cost-effectively create and distribute digital products
in the education, library and trade book sectors.  We also work with our
customers to develop web based classroom solutions for educators.

	Follett Digital Resources, Inc. is always seeking committed,
motivated individuals to join our company. We use a wide array or
cutting edge technologies, so you will find all the technical challenges
you could want.  Plus, we offer excellent growth and advancement
opportunities.

	Please review our information and let me know if you would be
willing to network with me or provide any other ideas.  I did also post
this position on RoRjobs.com.  Thank you for your time and attention,
and I look forward to your response.

	Regards,

	Andrea Minard
	Senior Recruiter
	Follett Digital Resources
	815-578-7150
	www.fdr.follett.com <http://www.fdr.follett.com> 
	
________________________________

	From: chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:chicagogroup-members-list-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of
Kevin Taylor
	Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:20 PM
	To: Chirb discussion list
	Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
	
	
	All,
	
	FYI, for those of you learning Rails, we have scheduled our next
Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp for Feb 2-5, 2009 in Chicago. If history
repeats itself, this will likely be the only one (or two) that we'll
hold in Chicago for 2009.
	
	You can visit here for details:
http://obtiva.com/ruby-on-rails-tdd-boot-camp.
	
	Thx,
	
	--
	Kevin P. Taylor
	312.380.6672
	
	//obtiva - Agility Applied. Software Delivered.
	
	http://obtiva.com
	
	
	

	_______________________________________________
	ChicagoGroup-Members-List at rubyforge.org
	http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/chicagogroup-members-list
	


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From ryan.platte at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:07:28 2008
From: ryan.platte at gmail.com (Ryan Platte)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:07:28 -0600
Subject: [Chirb] [ANN] Ruby on Rails TDD Boot Camp
In-Reply-To: <FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902BF2C66@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>
References: <744d5a650812161920n41f46fc7x37bba80593d33d@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902B9BC01@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>
	<2f1a1dcb0812170930g6db193cdrb25da5e579f39b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE6864CD14A60A4E93F378F04DD26BE902BF2C66@mhxxfscexmb01.na.follett.lan>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0812171207j2ba3a09jd864de71ea82bd94@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Minard, Andrea (FSC) <
AMinard at fsc.follett.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your message and I understand and will comply.  I apologize if I
> have offended you or any of your members.  That certainly was not my
> intention.
>

No offense taken, I'm just doing my job as the moderator. All the best!
Ryan
Chirb list admin
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