[Chirb] Calendar, June Meeting Ideas.

[Nate Kirby]

All,

So it looks like people would appreciate (attend) a session on June 2nd 
where some time was spent talking upon experiences discovered using 
BDD/Selenium with Rails.  Ryan is willing to act as a question answer,  
and I might be able to present something useful on my own. 

How much time should I shoot for?

I know chirb is into technical details, but the important things we 
found are more about high level strategy than technical details although 
I can add details for those uncomfortable with strategies.

The outline would be:

What is BDD?
How does RSpec work (practical usage not internal)? 
How does Selenium work (with rails - once again practical usage not 
internals)?
What is story runner? (I know David covered this in Oct last year - so 
this will be cursory)
    Usage
What did we find about BDD?
    Duplication of effort
    Mocks v DB  
What did we find about Story Runner?
    Combine with Selenium?
    Engineers response
    Combinational complexity
What did we find about Selenium?

Then the final Unexpected result.
*Ryan can ask me question (actually anyone can - but I reserve the right 
to say "I don't know") as the session proceeds?

How does this sound?

Blessings,
Nate

Nick wrote:
> +1 for both too.
>
> -Nick
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> From: Eric Smith <paytonrules at gmail.com>
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> +1 for 2D gaming in Ruby.  Actually +1 for both.  
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> Eric Smith
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> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Josh Cronemeyer 
> <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com <mailto:jcroneme at thoughtworks.com>> wrote:
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>     Ok!  Now we have options!
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>     Up for grabs - June 2nd meeting -
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>     Volunteered talks:
>     -BDD tools best practices with Nate Kirby and Ryan Platte
>     -2D gaming in ruby with some guy
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>     I'm happy to save mine for the July meeting which according to the
>     webpage is a lightning talk session.  Or whatever.  Group, if you
>     have opinions, now is the time to share them otherwise the usual
>     noisy minority will make the decisions for you :)
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>     Josh Cronemeyer
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>     Josh,
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>     If you want me to present I can.  What I have might not take up a
>     whole meeting though.  Ryan's idea might be helpful.  Let's see if
>     anyone else chimes in about their experiences.
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>     I will be in town on June 2.
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>     Blessings,
>     Nate
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>     Nate,
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>     Sounds like it would be a good topic.  Just to keep the focus of
>     my email though, I'm trying to line up a session for the June
>     meeting.  Are you offering to talk about this June 2nd?
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>     Ryan Platte wrote:
>     Nate, it'd be interesting to hear the story you mentioned. I'd
>     love to hear about what you learned.  
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>     Idea: if you're uncomfortable making a big deal of it, I'd be
>     happy to present with you, asking questions, kind of like a
>     2-person panel format. But again, I'd be interested in learning
>     more no matter how you'd want to present it.
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>     On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Nate Kirby
>     <_natebkirby at yahoo.com_ <mailto:natebkirby at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>     Josh,
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>     Those sound interesting, but if anyone has been using BDD, tools
>     such as RSpec, Story Runner, Selenium, Cubic Test or any other
>     quality improvement tools, it would be great to have a session
>     where people talk about what they have found to be best practices.
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>     We tried integrating RSpec Story Runner and Selenium.  The
>     integration was easy, but it created a workflow nightmare that we
>     had to back out of.  If others have stories about there experience
>     it seems like such a session might be very valuable.
>
>     -- 
>     Ryan Platte
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