[Chirb] Calendar, June Meeting Ideas.

[Josh Cronemeyer]

Nate, 

Sounds good.  Shoot for a presentation that is no more than 60 to 90 
minutes.  Also try to limit the amount of introductory material in the 
talk.  We have had 2 or 3 presentations on RSpec in the last couple years 
and each one introduced and in some cases gave detailed history of BDD. 
Anyway, that is my opinion.

Cheers,
Josh Cronemeyer



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All,

So it looks like people would appreciate (attend) a session on June 2nd 
where some time was spent talking upon experiences discovered using 
BDD/Selenium with Rails.  Ryan is willing to act as a question answer, and 
I might be able to present something useful on my own. 

How much time should I shoot for?

I know chirb is into technical details, but the important things we found 
are more about high level strategy than technical details although I can 
add details for those uncomfortable with strategies.

The outline would be:

What is BDD? 
How does RSpec work (practical usage not internal)? 
How does Selenium work (with rails - once again practical usage not 
internals)?
What is story runner? (I know David covered this in Oct last year - so 
this will be cursory)
    Usage
What did we find about BDD?
    Duplication of effort
    Mocks v DB 
What did we find about Story Runner?
    Combine with Selenium?
    Engineers response
    Combinational complexity
What did we find about Selenium?

Then the final Unexpected result.
*Ryan can ask me question (actually anyone can - but I reserve the right 
to say "I don't know") as the session proceeds?

How does this sound?

Blessings,
Nate

Nick wrote: 
+1 for both too.

-Nick

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+1 for 2D gaming in Ruby.  Actually +1 for both. 

Eric Smith

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Josh Cronemeyer <
jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:

Ok!  Now we have options! 

Up for grabs - June 2nd meeting - 

Volunteered talks: 
-BDD tools best practices with Nate Kirby and Ryan Platte 
-2D gaming in ruby with some guy 

I'm happy to save mine for the July meeting which according to the webpage 
is a lightning talk session.  Or whatever.  Group, if you have opinions, 
now is the time to share them otherwise the usual noisy minority will make 
the decisions for you :) 

Josh Cronemeyer 


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Josh,

If you want me to present I can.  What I have might not take up a whole 
meeting though.  Ryan's idea might be helpful.  Let's see if anyone else 
chimes in about their experiences.

I will be in town on June 2.

Blessings,
Nate


Nate, 

Sounds like it would be a good topic.  Just to keep the focus of my email 
though, I'm trying to line up a session for the June meeting.  Are you 
offering to talk about this June 2nd? 

Ryan Platte wrote: 
Nate, it'd be interesting to hear the story you mentioned. I'd love to 
hear about what you learned. 

Idea: if you're uncomfortable making a big deal of it, I'd be happy to 
present with you, asking questions, kind of like a 2-person panel format. 
But again, I'd be interested in learning more no matter how you'd want to 
present it. 

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Nate Kirby <natebkirby at yahoo.com> wrote: 
Josh,

Those sound interesting, but if anyone has been using BDD, tools such as 
RSpec, Story Runner, Selenium, Cubic Test or any other quality improvement 
tools, it would be great to have a session where people talk about what 
they have found to be best practices.

We tried integrating RSpec Story Runner and Selenium.  The integration was 
easy, but it created a workflow nightmare that we had to back out of.  If 
others have stories about there experience it seems like such a session 
might be very valuable. 

-- 
Ryan Platte 


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