From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 11:41:01 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? Message-ID: <20060406154101.91624.qmail@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I just discovered FreeRIDE yesterday and am anxious to give it a try. I was just reading about some Ruby + GUI history at http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?DoYourRubyGUIResearch and noticed that the author mentioned FreeRIDE as using wxRuby. I added a note at the bottom of that page indicating what I thought FreeRIDE depends on. Just curious though, what's the history here? Did the FreeRIDE team originally try to implement an SWT-like GUI toolkit in Ruby? Did you try wxRuby for a while? Why the switch to FOX? Thanks, ---John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nochoice at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 6 14:20:28 2006 From: nochoice at xs4all.nl (Jonathan Maasland) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:20:28 +0000 Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <20060406154101.91624.qmail@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406154101.91624.qmail@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44355BEC.6060300@xs4all.nl> Hi John, I wasn't there when FR got written but I think that FXRuby was the only GUI-toolkit used for FR. There were plans to upgrade from Fox to Wx for several reasons. One of them being that Wx renders natively, which is quite nice. see also http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?WxRemarks For the past couple a months I've been thinking more and more about FreeRIDE-2, using Wx, but all-in-all it's going to be a hell of a job to convert the current codebase to Wx. As a sidenote: WxRuby2 is being heavily rewritten (by Kevin Smith, Roy Sutton and Alex Fenton) so rewriting FR isn't an option just yet.... I hope this answered your curiosity a bit.... With kind regards Jonathan John M. Gabriele wrote: >Hi, > >I just discovered FreeRIDE yesterday and am anxious to >give it a try. > >I was just reading about some Ruby + GUI history at >http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?DoYourRubyGUIResearch >and noticed that the author mentioned FreeRIDE as using >wxRuby. > >I added a note at the bottom of that page indicating >what I thought FreeRIDE depends on. Just curious though, >what's the history here? Did the FreeRIDE team originally >try to implement an SWT-like GUI toolkit in Ruby? Did you >try wxRuby for a while? Why the switch to FOX? > >Thanks, >---John > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Freeride-devel mailing list >Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel > > > > From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 12:10:42 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:10:42 -0500 Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <44355BEC.6060300@xs4all.nl> References: <20060406154101.91624.qmail@web38701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44355BEC.6060300@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <31d15f490604060910k79acb873s298d338e9b6cdc4e@mail.gmail.com> Here's the real story, straight from the horses mouth (so to speak): In the very beginning we searched all of the available GUI toolkits to decide what to use for FreeRIDE. No exsting Ruby toolkit met all of the requirements. FXRuby came the closest, but was still missing two requirements: internationalization and native widgets. So, when I implemented the initial GUI subsystem for FreeRIDE I was careful to separate the GUI rendering into a plugin that only relied on information from the databus to do its job (i.e., no direct calls into the GUI subsystem). The plan was to later swap out the FXRuby rendering plugin with a wxRuby rendering plugin. At that time wxRuby did not exist. Later, I started the wxRuby project (along with someone else who is long gone and I can't even remember his name) because I wanted it for FreeRIDE. Fortunately, Park Heesob donated some working code and Kevin Smith came along and did all the work. So, I never really did any work on wxRuby other than to create the Windows installer. It would still be a good thing to create a wxRuby rendering plugin for FreeRIDE, although I suspect there are still higher priority features needed. Curt On 4/6/06, Jonathan Maasland wrote: > > Hi John, > > I wasn't there when FR got written but I think that FXRuby was the only > GUI-toolkit used for FR. There were plans to upgrade from Fox to Wx for > several reasons. One of them being that Wx renders natively, which is > quite nice. see also http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?WxRemarks > > For the past couple a months I've been thinking more and more about > FreeRIDE-2, using Wx, but all-in-all it's going to be a hell of a job to > convert the current codebase to Wx. As a sidenote: WxRuby2 is being > heavily rewritten (by Kevin Smith, Roy Sutton and Alex Fenton) so > rewriting FR isn't an option just yet.... > > I hope this answered your curiosity a bit.... > > With kind regards > Jonathan > > John M. Gabriele wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I just discovered FreeRIDE yesterday and am anxious to > >give it a try. > > > >I was just reading about some Ruby + GUI history at > >http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?DoYourRubyGUIResearch > >and noticed that the author mentioned FreeRIDE as using > >wxRuby. > > > >I added a note at the bottom of that page indicating > >what I thought FreeRIDE depends on. Just curious though, > >what's the history here? Did the FreeRIDE team originally > >try to implement an SWT-like GUI toolkit in Ruby? Did you > >try wxRuby for a while? Why the switch to FOX? > > > >Thanks, > >---John > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Freeride-devel mailing list > >Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freeride-devel mailing list > Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/freeride-devel/attachments/20060406/c8bc9180/attachment-0001.htm From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 14:32:13 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <31d15f490604060910k79acb873s298d338e9b6cdc4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060406183213.79173.qmail@web38713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the quick replies. I only briefly looked at wxWidgets a while back, and I think my first thought was, "eww, reminds me of MFC", and I haven't looked at it since. Interesting to hear that it's so well-documented. It's license seems pretty strange to me though. It pretty much says, it's LGPL except that you can distribute modified binaries without source under your own terms. To me, that seems to be saying, "it's like water, only it's not wet". :) Curt, would it be ok for me to add a "History" page detailing what you wrote here? Oh, one last thing: you mention "higher priority features needed". Are you able to use FreeRIDE for all your development work in Ruby? Thanks, ---John --- Curt Hibbs wrote: > Here's the real story, straight from the horses mouth (so to speak): > > In the very beginning we searched all of the available GUI toolkits to > decide what to use for FreeRIDE. No exsting Ruby toolkit met all of the > requirements. FXRuby came the closest, but was still missing two > requirements: internationalization and native widgets. > > So, when I implemented the initial GUI subsystem for FreeRIDE I was careful > to separate the GUI rendering into a plugin that only relied on information > from the databus to do its job (i.e., no direct calls into the GUI > subsystem). The plan was to later swap out the FXRuby rendering plugin with > a wxRuby rendering plugin. > > At that time wxRuby did not exist. Later, I started the wxRuby project > (along with someone else who is long gone and I can't even remember his > name) because I wanted it for FreeRIDE. Fortunately, Park Heesob donated > some working code and Kevin Smith came along and did all the work. So, I > never really did any work on wxRuby other than to create the Windows > installer. > > It would still be a good thing to create a wxRuby rendering plugin for > FreeRIDE, although I suspect there are still higher priority features > needed. > > Curt > > On 4/6/06, Jonathan Maasland wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > I wasn't there when FR got written but I think that FXRuby was the only > > GUI-toolkit used for FR. There were plans to upgrade from Fox to Wx for > > several reasons. One of them being that Wx renders natively, which is > > quite nice. see also http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?WxRemarks > > > > For the past couple a months I've been thinking more and more about > > FreeRIDE-2, using Wx, but all-in-all it's going to be a hell of a job to > > convert the current codebase to Wx. As a sidenote: WxRuby2 is being > > heavily rewritten (by Kevin Smith, Roy Sutton and Alex Fenton) so > > rewriting FR isn't an option just yet.... > > > > I hope this answered your curiosity a bit.... > > > > With kind regards > > Jonathan > > > > John M. Gabriele wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I just discovered FreeRIDE yesterday and am anxious to > > >give it a try. > > > > > >I was just reading about some Ruby + GUI history at > > >http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?DoYourRubyGUIResearch > > >and noticed that the author mentioned FreeRIDE as using > > >wxRuby. > > > > > >I added a note at the bottom of that page indicating > > >what I thought FreeRIDE depends on. Just curious though, > > >what's the history here? Did the FreeRIDE team originally > > >try to implement an SWT-like GUI toolkit in Ruby? Did you > > >try wxRuby for a while? Why the switch to FOX? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >---John > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 14:46:06 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <31d15f490604060910k79acb873s298d338e9b6cdc4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060406184606.19234.qmail@web38706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Curt Hibbs wrote: > On 4/6/06, Jonathan Maasland wrote: > > > > > > For the past couple a months I've been thinking more and more about > > FreeRIDE-2, using Wx, but all-in-all it's going to be a hell of a job to > > convert the current codebase to Wx. > > [snip] > when I implemented the initial GUI subsystem for FreeRIDE I was careful > to separate the GUI rendering into a plugin that only relied on information > from the databus to do its job (i.e., no direct calls into the GUI > subsystem). The plan was to later swap out the FXRuby rendering plugin with > a wxRuby rendering plugin. > > [snip] > It would still be a good thing to create a wxRuby rendering plugin for > FreeRIDE, although I suspect there are still higher priority features > needed. > > Curt Hm. Jon, maybe it wouldn't be as difficult as you suspect? > > As a sidenote: WxRuby2 is being > > heavily rewritten (by Kevin Smith, Roy Sutton and Alex Fenton) so > > rewriting FR isn't an option just yet.... Ah. Well, it's a ways off anyway then. > > I hope this answered your curiosity a bit.... Yes! Thanks for the message. :) ---John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Thu Apr 6 15:30:25 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:30:25 -0500 Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <20060406183213.79173.qmail@web38713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <31d15f490604060910k79acb873s298d338e9b6cdc4e@mail.gmail.com> <20060406183213.79173.qmail@web38713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31d15f490604061230m6cc8c197y7e5d77ab051764a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/6/06, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > > Curt, would it be ok for me to add a "History" page detailing > what you wrote here? Sure... go for it! Oh, one last thing: you mention "higher priority features needed". > Are you able to use FreeRIDE for all your development work in Ruby? > No, mostly because the debugger doesn't work on Windows. I wasn't trying to imply that I had a list of "higher priority features" in mind (Laurent might, though), just that I didn't want to presume. That being said, getting the debugger working on Windows is pretty important. If all the other IDEs can do it, then FreeRIDE should be able to also. Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/freeride-devel/attachments/20060406/bedddf25/attachment.htm From wxruby at qualitycode.com Thu Apr 6 23:07:14 2006 From: wxruby at qualitycode.com (Kevin Smith) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:07:14 -0400 Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <20060406183213.79173.qmail@web38713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060406183213.79173.qmail@web38713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1144379234.8568.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:32 -0700, John M. Gabriele wrote: > I only briefly looked at wxWidgets a while back, and I think my > first thought was, "eww, reminds me of MFC", and I haven't looked > at it since. That's a fair summary. Originally, I think it was almost an MFC clone. I believe it has improved somewhat since then. Initially, we will directly expose the native API in wxRuby. After that, we hope to do something similar to what Lyle did with FX, and create a much friendlier, more rubyish interface. By the way, the wxRuby rewrite (taking advantage of SWIG) is probably 80% done. Unfortunately, the last 20% is taking the other 80% (or more) of the time. I keep hoping I'll have time to wrap it up, but so far life has interfered. It's probably about 80 person-hours away from reasonably solid beta quality. I would love to see FreeRIDE use wx, but not yet. Kevin From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Fri Apr 7 23:40:16 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <1144379234.8568.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060408034016.13348.qmail@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Smith wrote: > > By the way, the wxRuby rewrite (taking advantage of SWIG) is probably > 80% done. Unfortunately, the last 20% is taking the other 80% (or more) > of the time. I keep hoping I'll have time to wrap it up, but so far life > has interfered. It's probably about 80 person-hours away from reasonably > solid beta quality. > > I would love to see FreeRIDE use wx, but not yet. > > Kevin > Thanks Kevin. I added a "Future" link to the FreeRIDE page (just below "History") and put that information in there: http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?FreeRIDE_Future May I quote your comment there as it appears above? Also, while we're here, ever looked at the TOAD GUI toolkit? http://www.mark13.org/?sec0=sw&sec1=toad No Ruby bindings for that yet though, but it's a pretty clean and modern toolkit. ---John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Sat Apr 8 00:12:56 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 23:12:56 -0500 Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <20060408034016.13348.qmail@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1144379234.8568.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060408034016.13348.qmail@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31d15f490604072112y20137e6fma81dc14f363cf180@mail.gmail.com> On 4/7/06, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > --- Kevin Smith wrote: > > > > By the way, the wxRuby rewrite (taking advantage of SWIG) is probably > > 80% done. Unfortunately, the last 20% is taking the other 80% (or more) > > of the time. I keep hoping I'll have time to wrap it up, but so far life > > has interfered. It's probably about 80 person-hours away from reasonably > > solid beta quality. > > > > I would love to see FreeRIDE use wx, but not yet. > > > > Kevin > > > > Thanks Kevin. > > I added a "Future" link to the FreeRIDE page (just > below "History") and put that information in there: > > http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?FreeRIDE_Future > > May I quote your comment there as it appears above? > > Also, while we're here, ever looked at the TOAD GUI > toolkit? http://www.mark13.org/?sec0=sw&sec1=toad > No Ruby bindings for that yet though, but it's a pretty > clean and modern toolkit. > > ---John > Unless I missed something, it looks like the TOAD GUI is not cross platform... its only X systems. Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/freeride-devel/attachments/20060407/cf5dd573/attachment.htm From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 04:02:58 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <31d15f490604072112y20137e6fma81dc14f363cf180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060408080258.47039.qmail@web38714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Curt Hibbs wrote: > On 4/7/06, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > > > --- Kevin Smith wrote: > > > > > > By the way, the wxRuby rewrite (taking advantage of SWIG) is probably > > > 80% done. Unfortunately, the last 20% is taking the other 80% (or more) > > > of the time. I keep hoping I'll have time to wrap it up, but so far life > > > has interfered. It's probably about 80 person-hours away from reasonably > > > solid beta quality. > > > > > > I would love to see FreeRIDE use wx, but not yet. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > Thanks Kevin. > > > > I added a "Future" link to the FreeRIDE page (just > > below "History") and put that information in there: > > > > http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?FreeRIDE_Future > > > > May I quote your comment there as it appears above? > > > > Also, while we're here, ever looked at the TOAD GUI > > toolkit? http://www.mark13.org/?sec0=sw&sec1=toad > > No Ruby bindings for that yet though, but it's a pretty > > clean and modern toolkit. > > > > ---John > > > > Unless I missed something, it looks like the TOAD GUI is not cross > platform... its only X systems. > > Curt > I believe you are correct. I only mentioned it here as an aside. I figured it might possibly be of passing interest to Kevin (or you) given that A. you're the sort of folks who work on Ruby bindings to GUI toolkits, B. that it's not a very well-known toolkit (so you may not've heard of it), and C. that it's quite OO from what I remember, so it might be a good match for Ruby, in general. (No idea if it'd be useful for FreeRIDE though.) Never thought about trying to run it on MS Windows. I guess you'd need to run Cygwin's X11 for it to work, right? Well, sorry to take the thread off-topic. :) ---John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wxruby at qualitycode.com Sat Apr 8 17:39:06 2006 From: wxruby at qualitycode.com (Kevin Smith) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:06 -0400 Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <20060408034016.13348.qmail@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060408034016.13348.qmail@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1144532346.8442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 20:40 -0700, John M. Gabriele wrote: > May I quote your comment there as it appears above? Certainly. > Also, while we're here, ever looked at the TOAD GUI > toolkit? http://www.mark13.org/?sec0=sw&sec1=toad > No Ruby bindings for that yet though, but it's a pretty > clean and modern toolkit. As Curt mentioned, it's not cross-platform. Although I'm a devoted GNU/Linux FLOSS user, I also want to reach MS Windows (and Mac) users with anything I work on. What keeps pulling me back to wx is that it's the only full-featured, cross-platform, native-widget toolkit. Cheers, Kevin From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 22:41:57 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] GUI toolkit: wx to fox? In-Reply-To: <1144532346.8442.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060409024157.33507.qmail@web38714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 20:40 -0700, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > May I quote your comment there as it appears above? > > Certainly. Thanks. > [snip] > What keeps pulling me back to wx is that it's > the only full-featured, cross-platform, native-widget toolkit. > Their docs look pretty darn good too. :) ---John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 20:28:45 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] trouble building/installing from scratch Message-ID: <20060418002845.66202.qmail@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm trying to get FreeRIDE running on Debian Sarge from scratch. The reason I'm installing from scratch is that the notes here: http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?UserDoc seem a bit dated (mentioning somewhat older versions of the various dependencies), and also because those instructions mention that the installer installs Ruby too, and I don't need that (just installed Ruby 1.8.4 myself). Anyhow, I first tried using FOX 1.6 but FXScintilla failed to configure with that, so had to back out and use FOX 1.4. I put my notes up here: http://www.simisen.com/jmg/freeride.html One question I have is, what do I do with with scintilla.a? That is, which package links with it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 21:15:57 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0500 Subject: [FR-devel] trouble building/installing from scratch In-Reply-To: <20060418002845.66202.qmail@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060418002845.66202.qmail@web38708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31d15f490604171815x74fda849p9aa16ba532f8798b@mail.gmail.com> I believe that FreeRIDE needs FXRuby 1.2.x Curt On 4/17/06, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > I'm trying to get FreeRIDE running on Debian Sarge from > scratch. > > The reason I'm installing from scratch is that the notes here: > http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?UserDoc > seem a bit dated (mentioning somewhat older versions of the > various dependencies), and also because those instructions > mention that the installer installs Ruby too, and I don't > need that (just installed Ruby 1.8.4 myself). > > Anyhow, I first tried using FOX 1.6 but FXScintilla failed > to configure with that, so had to back out and use FOX 1.4. > > I put my notes up here: > http://www.simisen.com/jmg/freeride.html > > One question I have is, what do I do with with scintilla.a? > That is, which package links with it? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Freeride-devel mailing list > Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/freeride-devel/attachments/20060417/b8b58a46/attachment.htm From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Mon Apr 17 23:26:19 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] trouble building/installing from scratch In-Reply-To: <31d15f490604171815x74fda849p9aa16ba532f8798b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418032619.51727.qmail@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Removed FOX 1.4.x, installed 1.2.16 (old stable). Now I'll need to use FXRuby 1.2.6 instead of 1.4.5, but unfortunately that "install.rb" file that comes with FXRuby 1.4.5 doesn't seem to come with an uninstall option. As a brief aside, I think that any software worth its cycles should be easy to uninstall. ---John --- Curt Hibbs wrote: > I believe that FreeRIDE needs FXRuby 1.2.x > > Curt > > On 4/17/06, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get FreeRIDE running on Debian Sarge from > > scratch. > > > > The reason I'm installing from scratch is that the notes here: > > http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?UserDoc > > seem a bit dated (mentioning somewhat older versions of the > > various dependencies), and also because those instructions > > mention that the installer installs Ruby too, and I don't > > need that (just installed Ruby 1.8.4 myself). > > > > Anyhow, I first tried using FOX 1.6 but FXScintilla failed > > to configure with that, so had to back out and use FOX 1.4. > > > > I put my notes up here: > > http://www.simisen.com/jmg/freeride.html > > > > One question I have is, what do I do with with scintilla.a? > > That is, which package links with it? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Freeride-devel mailing list > > Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freeride-devel mailing list > Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 00:23:44 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] trouble building/installing from scratch In-Reply-To: <31d15f490604171815x74fda849p9aa16ba532f8798b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060418042344.55557.qmail@web38710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, I installed FOX 1.2.16 and FXRuby 1.2.6. Now FreeRIDE starts up, but the icons for the buttons are blank with just the "PNG" written in them. The icons in the left pane of the prefs dialog don't show up either. Am I missing some common GTK+ graphics files? If so, any suggestions as to what Debian package they might be in? Thanks, ---John --- Curt Hibbs wrote: > I believe that FreeRIDE needs FXRuby 1.2.x > > Curt > > On 4/17/06, John M. Gabriele wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get FreeRIDE running on Debian Sarge from > > scratch. > > > > The reason I'm installing from scratch is that the notes here: > > http://freeride.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?UserDoc > > seem a bit dated (mentioning somewhat older versions of the > > various dependencies), and also because those instructions > > mention that the installer installs Ruby too, and I don't > > need that (just installed Ruby 1.8.4 myself). > > > > Anyhow, I first tried using FOX 1.6 but FXScintilla failed > > to configure with that, so had to back out and use FOX 1.4. > > > > I put my notes up here: > > http://www.simisen.com/jmg/freeride.html > > > > One question I have is, what do I do with with scintilla.a? > > That is, which package links with it? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Freeride-devel mailing list > > Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freeride-devel mailing list > Freeride-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/freeride-devel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From laurent at moldus.org Tue Apr 18 08:16:07 2006 From: laurent at moldus.org (Laurent Julliard) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:16:07 +0200 Subject: [FR-devel] trouble building/installing from scratch In-Reply-To: <20060418042344.55557.qmail@web38710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060418042344.55557.qmail@web38710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4444D887.2090701@moldus.org> John M. Gabriele wrote: > Ok, I installed FOX 1.2.16 and FXRuby 1.2.6. Now > FreeRIDE starts up, but the icons for the buttons > are blank with just the "PNG" written in them. The > icons in the left pane of the prefs dialog don't > show up either. > > Am I missing some common GTK+ graphics files? If > so, any suggestions as to what Debian package they > might be in? > > Thanks, > ---John > This is probably because you don't have libpng-devel installed on your machine and FOX was compiled without PNG support. Coming back to your initial message I think it would save you a lot of pain and troubles if you were using the FreeRIDE installer. Sure Ruby 1.8.4 comes with it but you can still point the script runner and the debugger to your interpreter. Laurent From john_sips_tea at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 14:16:13 2006 From: john_sips_tea at yahoo.com (John M. Gabriele) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] trouble building/installing from scratch In-Reply-To: <4444D887.2090701@moldus.org> Message-ID: <20060418181613.83822.qmail@web37215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Laurent Julliard wrote: > John M. Gabriele wrote: > > Ok, I installed FOX 1.2.16 and FXRuby 1.2.6. Now > > FreeRIDE starts up, but the icons for the buttons > > are blank with just the "PNG" written in them. The > > icons in the left pane of the prefs dialog don't > > show up either. > > > > Am I missing some common GTK+ graphics files? If > > so, any suggestions as to what Debian package they > > might be in? > > > > Thanks, > > ---John > > > > This is probably because you don't have libpng-devel installed on your > machine and FOX was compiled without PNG support. Thanks! That was it. :) > Coming back to your initial message I think it would save you a lot of > pain and troubles if you were using the FreeRIDE installer. Sure Ruby > 1.8.4 comes with it but you can still point the script runner and the > debugger to your interpreter. > > Laurent Yes, in retrospect, I think you are correct. :) The FreeRIDE wiki didn't say too much about what versions the dependencies *had* to be, so I figured maybe it was out of date and I'd try using the newest stuff -- that's where I spent most of my time: trying the newest versions only to later realize that I had to back up and use a previous one (or the one before that). :) Anyhow, doing it manually was informative too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From surrender_it at yahoo.it Sun Apr 23 18:27:39 2006 From: surrender_it at yahoo.it (gabriele renzi) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FR-devel] mentors for google SOC Message-ID: <20060423222739.17984.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I wonder if someone of you has thought of enlisting her/himself as a mentor at ruby central, thus allowing people to hack on FR this summer. I think there are quite a bit of interesting side projects that could be proposed for it but it seem to me that there were no proposal until now from "real" developers. -- icq: #69488917 blog: http://riffraff.blogsome.com ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com