From dpguest at bestweb.net Thu Feb 2 08:03:35 2006 From: dpguest at bestweb.net (David Guest) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Instiki] Kiss Message-ID: <000001c627f9$13979900$6c00a8c0@M1400VA> Keep it Simple Stupid for a stupid Windows user. Does anyone have a simple step by step procedure for installing the Beta AR release of Instiki ? I have found the installation threads difficult to follow. I really need to know what to download, what to do to install it. The older install was pretty simple, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060202/bd5f2e43/attachment.htm From BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca Thu Feb 2 11:32:04 2006 From: BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca (BG - Ben Armstrong) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:32:04 -0400 Subject: [Instiki] Instiki as a Windows service revisited Message-ID: Is this tutorial still applicable to the current version of Instiki? http://rubyforge.org/docman/view.php/85/107/instiki_service_tutorial.txt If so, why isn't this approach mentioned here? http://instiki.org/show/Running+as+a+Windows+Service We've used the latter approach and are unhappy with it. It starts Instiki as a service, but has no idea if Instiki fails. Last week we implemented logging for our Instiki service by modifying config/environments/production.rb to define ActionController::Base.logger to point at a log file. However, the next time the system rebooted, Instiki didn't come up, and what's more, there was no indication that the service had failed. Nobody was notified, and the service status appeared to still be running. Well, it turns out that the path to the log file was to a network drive that wasn't mounted before the service was started. I've since then solved that problem (I hope -- we'll see on the next reboot) by switching to using a UNC path. The point of this little tale is not about logging to a network drive (which should probably be avoided, for maximum reliability) but that services started using the method documented on the instiki.org wiki can fail without anyone knowing about it! I am guessing this is because the service starter utility does not watch to see if the application dies, but simply "starts and forgets" the application. I am hoping there is a better way, such as the win32-service tutorial pasted above, and that this can be integrated into Instiki instead of being left as an exercise for each administrator to implement on their own. Thanks, Ben From chris at seagul.co.uk Sun Feb 5 08:36:45 2006 From: chris at seagul.co.uk (Chris Roos) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:36:45 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] instiki-ar on freebsd with apache Message-ID: <43E5FF6D.8020004@seagul.co.uk> I just got instiki-ar (trunk version 445) installed on freebsd with apache. I encountered a problem when trying to create new webs. The create_web method, as well as entering necessary info to database, tries to create a directory in public/ for file uploads. As such, the user that apache runs as needs write access to the public directory. As soon as I changed the permissions, I could create webs correctly. I just submitted a patch[1] that makes import_storage script play nicely with the newest mysql database. Without this patch the sql generated by import_storage won't import into mysql instiki. Just a couple of other points (mainly to Alexey). Can I suggest you replace database.default.yml in the config directory (as in ticket 289[2]). Probably also remove the create_db script as it adds to confusion around creating initial database (at least for me). Chris [1] http://dev.instiki.org/ticket/290 [2] http://dev.instiki.org/ticket/289 From chris at seagul.co.uk Sun Feb 5 09:26:55 2006 From: chris at seagul.co.uk (Chris Roos) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:26:55 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] patching instiki to use new scripts (and more) from rails 1.0 Message-ID: <43E60B2F.1000906@seagul.co.uk> I just submitted a patch[1] that upgrades instiki trunk to rails 1.0. I did this to get use of script/plugin so that I could install the acts_as_authenticated[2] plugin to provide basic password protection to my wiki. Chris [1] http://dev.instiki.org/ticket/291 [2] http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/Acts_as_authenticated From andy at preloaded.com Mon Feb 6 13:53:14 2006 From: andy at preloaded.com (Andy Beaumont) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:53:14 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] Redcloth woes Message-ID: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> Hi list. After Instiki suddenly refused to run as a daemon and my upgrade to instiki-ar failed at script/create_db I tried out Pimki, sadly it refused to recognise my storage from the old instiki installation. So, I went back to instiki (which when not run as a daemon screwed up the textile markup), exported everything as textile and started importing it all by hand into Pimki, but the textile markup isn't properly working in Pimki either. Most of it seems to work, but the main issue seems to be newlines not being converted into paragraph tags, this in turn screws up lists and stuff. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this? It's driving me up the wall. Setup: Rails 1.0 Ruby 1.8.2 RedCloth 3.0.4 Instiki 0.10.2 Pimki 1.8.092 All on a Debian server. Thanks. From assaph at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 14:27:21 2006 From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:27:21 +1100 Subject: [Instiki] Redcloth woes In-Reply-To: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> References: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> Message-ID: <3ff47be90602061127o41a75acy34c42aeff31b668a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Andy, > After Instiki suddenly refused to run as a daemon and my upgrade to > instiki-ar failed at script/create_db I tried out Pimki, sadly it > refused to recognise my storage from the old instiki installation. Yep, too many changes in the storage format in Instiki between 0.9.2 and 0.10.0. The only way in the future to bring them across is through export-import. > So, I > went back to instiki (which when not run as a daemon screwed up the > textile markup), exported everything as textile and started importing it > all by hand into Pimki, but the textile markup isn't properly working in > Pimki either. > > Most of it seems to work, but the main issue seems to be newlines not > being converted into paragraph tags, this in turn screws up lists and > stuff. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this? It's driving me up the wall. RedCloth has flipped the newlines behaviour between each patch release. For RedCloth 3.0.4 try the latest Pimki2 from CVS. (You could also use it to import the whole exported zip file, but I'm guessing this bit of advice is too late ;-). Just checkout annonymously or grab the tarball: http://rubyforge.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pimki2.tar.gz?root=pimki&view=tar HTH, Assaph From andy at preloaded.com Mon Feb 6 15:41:34 2006 From: andy at preloaded.com (Andy Beaumont) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:41:34 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] Redcloth woes In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90602061127o41a75acy34c42aeff31b668a@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> <3ff47be90602061127o41a75acy34c42aeff31b668a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot Assaph, I'll give Pimki2 a try when I get back into the office. I like the look of the features of Pimki and that import of the whole zip file sounds awesome! On 6 Feb 2006, at 19:27, Assaph Mehr wrote: > Hi Andy, > >> After Instiki suddenly refused to run as a daemon and my upgrade to >> instiki-ar failed at script/create_db I tried out Pimki, sadly it >> refused to recognise my storage from the old instiki installation. > > Yep, too many changes in the storage format in Instiki between 0.9.2 > and 0.10.0. The only way in the future to bring them across is through > export-import. > >> So, I >> went back to instiki (which when not run as a daemon screwed up the >> textile markup), exported everything as textile and started >> importing it >> all by hand into Pimki, but the textile markup isn't properly >> working in >> Pimki either. >> >> Most of it seems to work, but the main issue seems to be newlines not >> being converted into paragraph tags, this in turn screws up lists and >> stuff. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this? It's driving me up >> the wall. > > RedCloth has flipped the newlines behaviour between each patch > release. For RedCloth 3.0.4 try the latest Pimki2 from CVS. (You could > also use it to import the whole exported zip file, but I'm guessing > this bit of advice is too late ;-). > > Just checkout annonymously or grab the tarball: > http://rubyforge.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pimki2.tar.gz? > root=pimki&view=tar > > > HTH, > Assaph > > _______________________________________________ > Instiki-users mailing list > Instiki-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users ---------------------------------------------------------------------- andy beaumont | p r e l o a d e d | digital media consultants ---------------------------------------------------------------------- tel: +44(0)207 684 3505, fax: +44(0)207 684 3500, mob: 07966 55 26 34 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.preloaded.com | 16-24 Underwood Street, London, N1 7JQ, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris at seagul.co.uk Tue Feb 7 02:46:55 2006 From: chris at seagul.co.uk (Chris Roos) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:46:55 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] Redcloth woes In-Reply-To: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> References: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> Message-ID: <43E8506F.30003@seagul.co.uk> You could try Instiki-AR again - I know it works as I currently have it running a wiki on freebsd. I assume you grabbed instiki-ar straight out of subversion? If so, the script/create_db will no longer work - Rails Migrations now take the role of creating the database. You will first need to make sure that the database.yml file exists in config/ (let me know if you need this as it's not presently in trunk). Then, in the instiki-ar directory, run rake migrate to get the database created. That should be all you need to get up and running. Let me know if you have any problems. Chris Andy Beaumont wrote: > Hi list. > > After Instiki suddenly refused to run as a daemon and my upgrade to > instiki-ar failed at script/create_db I tried out Pimki, sadly it > refused to recognise my storage from the old instiki installation. So, I > went back to instiki (which when not run as a daemon screwed up the > textile markup), exported everything as textile and started importing it > all by hand into Pimki, but the textile markup isn't properly working in > Pimki either. > > Most of it seems to work, but the main issue seems to be newlines not > being converted into paragraph tags, this in turn screws up lists and > stuff. Anyone have any ideas how to fix this? It's driving me up the wall. > > Setup: > Rails 1.0 > Ruby 1.8.2 > RedCloth 3.0.4 > Instiki 0.10.2 > Pimki 1.8.092 > All on a Debian server. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Instiki-users mailing list > Instiki-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users From andy at preloaded.com Tue Feb 7 06:20:12 2006 From: andy at preloaded.com (Andy Beaumont) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] Redcloth woes In-Reply-To: <43E8506F.30003@seagul.co.uk> References: <43E79B1A.7010508@preloaded.com> <43E8506F.30003@seagul.co.uk> Message-ID: <43E8826C.5010303@preloaded.com> Thanks for the help Chris. rake migrate did indeed set up my databases but sadly when I ran instiki-ar I got a blank page. For the record though, Pimki2 was a breeze to set up and the import of the old data worked almost flawlessly (I say almost because there were + symbols replacing the spaces in the page titles so the links didn't work, editing the titles to put the spaces back fixed everything though). Nice work Assaph. -Andy Chris Roos wrote: > You could try Instiki-AR again - I know it works as I currently have it > running a wiki on freebsd. > > I assume you grabbed instiki-ar straight out of subversion? > > If so, the script/create_db will no longer work - Rails Migrations now > take the role of creating the database. > > You will first need to make sure that the database.yml file exists in > config/ (let me know if you need this as it's not presently in trunk). > > Then, in the instiki-ar directory, run rake migrate to get the database > created. > > That should be all you need to get up and running. > > Let me know if you have any problems. > > Chris > > From wpollans at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 12:18:23 2006 From: wpollans at gmail.com (Warren Pollans) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Instiki] [OT] trying to find help with pimki Message-ID: Hello, I'm just installed pimki (as gem). It apparently found an a previous installation that I thought that I'd deleted. How do I find, or reset, the admin password? Thanks, Warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060207/631e0416/attachment.htm From assaph at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 16:48:01 2006 From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:48:01 +1100 Subject: [Instiki] [OT] trying to find help with pimki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ff47be90602071348h510ee2ber793dd951046f545e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Warren, > I'm just installed pimki (as gem). It apparently found an a previous > installation that I thought that I'd deleted. How do I find, or reset, the > admin password? This should probably be on the pimki-users mailing list, but it can also apply to instiki: * If you don't need the old contents, delete the storage directory and start afresh :-) * If you like hex editing, unzip a snapshot file and open the contents in a binary editor. Towards the end of the file you'll find 'system{' followed by 'password' followed by a few non-printable chars and then the password. * If you prefer source hacking, just go to one of the templates (e.g. app/views/top.rhtml), add something like: Password: <%= wiki.system['password'] %> at the bottom; fire up the wiki and go to the HomePage. Write down the password, and undo your edits to the template. HTH, Assaph From johanka at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 11:06:27 2006 From: johanka at gmail.com (Johanka) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:06:27 -0500 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix Message-ID: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I'm having problems getting Instiki to work on Kanotix (Debian-based Linux). I followed the advice given on this page http://instiki.org/show/Debian and installed all possible additional packages and yet I still get the following error message when I try to run it (after I type "ruby instiki.rb" or "ruby instiki"): /home/user/instiki/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/clean_logger.rb:13:in `remove_const': constant Logger::Format not defined (NameError) from /home/user/instiki/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/clean_logger.rb:13 from /home/user/instiki/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support.rb:31 from /home/user/instiki/config/environment.rb:52 from ./script/server:68 from instiki.rb:3 I'm still pretty much a beginner in Linux. I have Instiki up and running on my webhosting server at Dreamhost without any problems, except I can't have it running in the background. Running it locally (or even from a USB stick) would be far more convenient. Any help is much welcome. Thanks in advance! Johanka From wbudell at hal-pc.org Mon Feb 13 00:14:27 2006 From: wbudell at hal-pc.org (William Budell) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:14:27 -0600 Subject: [Instiki] Instiki install error messages - help needed Message-ID: <1139807667.22482.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've tried to install instiki-0.10.2 and gotten error messages from Ruby. While I am beginning to dabble in Ruby, I do not know what the error messages are asking me to correct, and had simply wanted Instiki to use as a personal notes wiki. Can anyone help? Operating system: Ubuntu Breezy Badger Both Ruby 1.8.3 and Ruby 1.9 installed; error messages were produced by both Ruby versions. Error messages: wb at RAMOTH:~/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2$ ruby instiki /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/clean_logger.rb:13:in `remove_const': constant Logger::Format not defined (NameError) from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/clean_logger.rb:13 from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support.rb:31 from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/config/environment.rb:52 from ./script/server:68 from instiki:6 wb at RAMOTH:~/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2$ ruby1.9 instiki /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext/date/conversions.rb:13:in `send': private method `alias_method' called for Date:Class (NoMethodError) from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext/date/conversions.rb:13:in `append_features' from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext/date.rb:5 from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext.rb:1 from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext.rb:1 from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support.rb:30 from /home/wb/data/data/ChangeLog/instiki-0.10.2/config/environment.rb:52 from ./script/server:68 from instiki:6 Thanks in advance, W. Budell From assaph at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 07:07:39 2006 From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:07:39 +1100 Subject: [Instiki] Instiki install error messages - help needed In-Reply-To: <1139807667.22482.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139807667.22482.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3ff47be90602130407p3e760441n31d2b41297b28a88@mail.gmail.com> Hi William, > Operating system: Ubuntu Breezy Badger > Both Ruby 1.8.3 and Ruby 1.9 installed; error messages were produced by > both Ruby versions. The debian packagers (which Ubuntu relies on) have done nasty things to the Ruby stdlib. If you installed it from Synaptic (or apt-get) you need a few more libs (can't tell which ones you're missing from the above; try anything with libxxx-ruby :) Or just build Ruby 1.8.4 from the source. Haven't tried it with Ruby 1.9. HTH, Assaph From assaph at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 05:07:11 2006 From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:07:11 +1100 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, > I'm having problems getting Instiki to work on Kanotix (Debian-based > Linux). I followed the advice given on this page > http://instiki.org/show/Debian and installed all possible additional > packages and yet I still get the following error message when I try to > run it (after I type "ruby instiki.rb" or "ruby instiki"): The debian packagers (which Ubuntu relies on) have done nasty things to the Ruby stdlib. Try building Ruby 1.8.4 from the source. HTH, Assaph From johanka at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 12:07:01 2006 From: johanka at gmail.com (Johanka) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <222d02f70602140907r1a18aaa1n355accc641d50a80@mail.gmail.com> > The debian packagers (which Ubuntu relies on) have done nasty things > to the Ruby stdlib. Try building Ruby 1.8.4 from the source. > I did reinstall Ruby built from the source (the usual ./configure, make, make install), but I'm getting the same error message when trying to run Instiki... J. From BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca Tue Feb 14 12:37:35 2006 From: BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca (BG - Ben Armstrong) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> Assaph, Instead of repeatedly slandering the Debian packagers, it would be more constructive to actually study the problem and understand what's going on. http://bugs.debian.org/330400 This bug is resolved in Debian's rails since September of last year. Unfortunately, the instiki tarball forces you to use the rails packaged with it, so that if you have ruby >= 1.8.3, Instiki breaks. This is not Debian's fault. It's a consequence of Instiki not keeping up with current versions of ruby and rails. See: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/2245 So there you have it, plain and simple. The Debian packagers aren't incompetent, as you suppose. Finally, if you read the fine print, http://instiki.org/show/Debian (or at least the cached copy at Google, since the site seems to be down right now) even mentions this problem and suggests a workaround, though I can understand if you've missed it, as it is scanty on details: From what I understand ruby1.8.3+ breaks things. I had to specifically install ruby1.8.2 (ruby1.8=1.8.2-7sarge2) ?Timcad I'd love to take my rough pre-packaging work on instiki and tidy it up into a proper package for Debian, but I'm a bit reluctant to make a go of it on my own with upstream development in a shambles. However, if there were others interested in making it happen, I'd certainly be happy to help collaboratively maintain it. Ben (aka. synrg at debian dot org -- not a Ruby maintainer, though) From assaph at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 14:53:07 2006 From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:53:07 +1100 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> Message-ID: <3ff47be90602141153r602b44d5l2f20d3797746d402@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ben, Thanks muchly for the update. I am actually a debian (Ubuntu) usermyself. Love the system, hate what they did to Ruby - just didn't havetime to catch up on updates as much as I should :-) Cheers,Assaph On 2/15/06, BG - Ben Armstrong wrote:> Assaph,>> Instead of repeatedly slandering the Debian packagers, it would be more> constructive to actually study the problem and understand what's going> on.>> http://bugs.debian.org/330400>> This bug is resolved in Debian's rails since September of last year.> Unfortunately, the instiki tarball forces you to use the rails packaged> with it, so that if you have ruby >= 1.8.3, Instiki breaks. This is not> Debian's fault. It's a consequence of Instiki not keeping up with> current versions of ruby and rails.>> See:>> http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/2245>> So there you have it, plain and simple. The Debian packagers aren't> incompetent, as you suppose.>> Finally, if you read the fine print, http://instiki.org/show/Debian (or> at least the cached copy at Google, since the site seems to be down> right now) even mentions this problem and suggests a workaround, though> I can understand if you've missed it, as it is scanty on details:>> From what I understand ruby1.8.3+ breaks things. I had to> specifically install ruby1.8.2 (ruby1.8=1.8.2-7sarge2)> ?Timcad>> I'd love to take my rough pre-packaging work on instiki and tidy it up> into a proper package for Debian, but I'm a bit reluctant to make a go> of it on my own with upstream development in a shambles. However, if> there were others interested in making it happen, I'd certainly be happy> to help collaboratively maintain it.>> Ben> (aka. synrg at debian dot org -- not a Ruby maintainer, though)>>> _______________________________________________> Instiki-users mailing list> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users From BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca Tue Feb 14 15:08:39 2006 From: BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca (BG - Ben Armstrong) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:08:39 -0400 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90602141153r602b44d5l2f20d3797746d402@mail.gmail.com> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <3ff47be90602141153r602b44d5l2f20d3797746d402@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139947719.29593.11.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 06:53 +1100, Assaph Mehr wrote: > Hi Ben, > Thanks muchly for the update. I am actually a debian (Ubuntu) usermyself. Love the system, hate what they did to Ruby - just didn't havetime to catch up on updates as much as I should :-) > Cheers,Assaph Curiously, I use ruby 1.8.3 + instiki 0.10.2 on Ubuntu Breezy, and it seems to work without throwing this error. I wonder why? Does it somehow pick up the 0.13.1 rails I have installed on the system in preference to the old broken one that ships with it? I haven't had time to investigate. Fragmentation of ruby into individual libruby* packages is, I think, a necessary evil on a Debian system. However, the fragmentation doesn't have to be as aggressive as it was initially, and I believe that has been remedied already. The other contentious issue was rubygems. The trouble is, ruby's goals for rubygems, and Debian's goals with their packaging system are somewhat at odds with each other. 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From: Viktor Rosenfeld Subject: a couple of questions: export, i2 and more Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:06:41 +0100 Size: 1541 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060215/910d6ab1/attachment.eml From wbudell at hal-pc.org Wed Feb 15 21:34:37 2006 From: wbudell at hal-pc.org (William Budell) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:34:37 -0600 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <1139947719.29593.11.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <3ff47be90602141153r602b44d5l2f20d3797746d402@mail.gmail.com> <1139947719.29593.11.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> Message-ID: <1140057277.10398.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 16:08 -0400, BG - Ben Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 06:53 +1100, Assaph Mehr wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > Thanks muchly for the update. I am actually a debian (Ubuntu) usermyself. Love the system, hate what they did to Ruby - just didn't havetime to catch up on updates as much as I should :-) > > Cheers,Assaph > Curiously, I use ruby 1.8.3 + instiki 0.10.2 on Ubuntu Breezy, and it > seems to work without throwing this error. I wonder why? Does it > somehow pick up the 0.13.1 rails I have installed on the system in > preference to the old broken one that ships with it? I haven't had > time to investigate. So you're essentially saying I should install a different Ruby and a different Rails? I have Ruby 1.8.3 on my Ubuntu Breezy, and the rails _I_ see in my Instiki is 0.13.1; my ruby is still throwing up the same errors I included in my previous message even after installing as many of the Ubuntu/Debian ruby packages as I could, as suggested by Assaph. I see the warning on the rails page to use 1.8.4, or .2, not 1.8.3 with rails 1.0. Can I just pull out the old rails directory in instiki and drop in rails 1.0 there, or do I have to do something more? Thanks, Bill Budell From chris at seagul.co.uk Thu Feb 16 02:35:43 2006 From: chris at seagul.co.uk (Chris Roos) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:35:43 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] *****SPAM***** Hits: 5.6 a couple of questions: export, i2 and more In-Reply-To: <29CD0D9A-A819-454A-903B-74FB9BD97B9A@informatik.hu-berlin.de> References: <29CD0D9A-A819-454A-903B-74FB9BD97B9A@informatik.hu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <43F42B4F.1040100@seagul.co.uk> > Hi everybody, > > I have a couple of instiki questions: > > * First of all, the instiki-ar-beta1 is not the same as i2 (the version > that's running the Ruby on Rails wiki) or is it? I was under the > impression that instiki-ar is now the main trunk, but for example file > upload and picture upload is not working as advertised. > i2[1] and instiki-ar[2] are different. > * Finally, how stable is the main trunk in svn? It must be pretty good, > if the Ruby on Rails wiki is running it, no? Is there some kind of > release plan? > I am currently using trunk instiki-ar to run my own wiki - it seems ok so far. i2 is used for the rails wiki. > Thanks for you help, > Viktor Chris [1] http://dev.rubyonrails.org/browser/tools/i2 [2] http://dev.instiki.org/browser/instiki/ From BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca Thu Feb 16 07:19:19 2006 From: BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca (BG - Ben Armstrong) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:19:19 -0400 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <1140057277.10398.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <3ff47be90602141153r602b44d5l2f20d3797746d402@mail.gmail.com> <1139947719.29593.11.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <1140057277.10398.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140092359.16174.15.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 20:34 -0600, William Budell wrote: > So you're essentially saying I should install a different Ruby and a > different Rails? The Ubuntu version of Rails installed is irrelevant, as Instiki is packaged with Rails included and will use that version instead. In fact, I have just proven that point to my satisfaction. I shut Instiki down, purged the Ubuntu rails package, and started Instiki again. It continues to work as it did before. I was not suggesting any particular course of action, but was merely thinking out loud about something I didn't quite understand about the problem. Given that my Ubuntu Breezy Ruby reports itself as being 1.8.3, I thought Instiki shouldn't work, based on my experience with 1.8.3 on Debian, and on the bug reports I cited. But clearly it does work for me, so that was a bit of a mystery. However, looking at it more closely today I have discovered that the Ubuntu ruby1.8 (Debian version 1.8.2-9ubuntu1) isn't the final release of 1.8.3, but is based on 1.8.3-preview1 plus some patches. So that could account for Instiki working even though it claims to be ruby 1.8.3 which has been reported to not work with the old Rails included in Instiki. > I have Ruby 1.8.3 on my Ubuntu Breezy, and the rails > _I_ see in my Instiki is 0.13.1; my ruby is still throwing up the same > errors I included in my previous message even after installing as many > of the Ubuntu/Debian ruby packages as I could, as suggested by Assaph. Since my Instiki works and yours doesn't, and we're both running Breezy, that begs the question "what's different?" Which version of the ruby1.8 package do you have? Are you using entirely Breezy-supplied ruby components, or do you have some things (other than Instiki itself) supplied from upstream or other deb repositories? > I see the warning on the rails page to use 1.8.4, or .2, not 1.8.3 with > rails 1.0. Can I just pull out the old rails directory in instiki and > drop in rails 1.0 there, or do I have to do something more? No. Don't use Rails 1.0. As I said before, Instiki has its own rails included, so you don't need to install it. You just need to have a compatible ruby. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Given that my Ubuntu Breezy Ruby reports itself as being 1.8.3, I > thought Instiki shouldn't work, based on my experience with 1.8.3 on Debian, > and on the bug reports I cited. But clearly it does work for me, so that > was a bit of a mystery. However, looking at it more closely today I have > discovered that the Ubuntu ruby1.8 (Debian version 1.8.2-9ubuntu1) isn't the > final release of 1.8.3, but is based on 1.8.3-preview1 plus some patches. > So that could account for Instiki working even though it claims to be ruby > 1.8.3 which has been reported to not work with the old Rails included in > Instiki. > I was already going to give up on this, considering I'm not that well versed in this stuff, but now my curiosity got piqued again. Can you, guys, please give me some hints how to downgrade Ruby 1.8.3 which I've installed from the source (not from the repositories) to some earlier version, so that I could see if that works? Johanka From BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca Thu Feb 16 10:08:57 2006 From: BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca (BG - Ben Armstrong) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:08:57 -0400 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with Instiki on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <222d02f70602160653h1df90cb3r9e60e7787505228a@mail.gmail.com> References: <222d02f70602090806gf37e5e7lac8611cd88ac9b5@mail.gmail.com> <3ff47be90602140207t798b2597v731aae57a910214b@mail.gmail.com> <1139938655.28426.19.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <3ff47be90602141153r602b44d5l2f20d3797746d402@mail.gmail.com> <1139947719.29593.11.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <1140057277.10398.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1140092359.16174.15.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> <222d02f70602160653h1df90cb3r9e60e7787505228a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140102537.16174.52.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 09:53 -0500, Johanka wrote: > I was already going to give up on this, considering I'm not that well > versed in this stuff, but now my curiosity got piqued again. Can you, > guys, please give me some hints how to downgrade Ruby 1.8.3 which I've > installed from the source (not from the repositories) to some earlier > version, so that I could see if that works? If you want to make sure there are no leftovers from 1.8.3 after the downgrade, first remove anything ruby installed in your target bin and lib directories. (I don't think there is a "make uninstall" so you'll have to investigate on your own.) Then build and install 1.8.2 from source. Ben From dpguest at bestweb.net Thu Feb 16 12:25:23 2006 From: dpguest at bestweb.net (David Guest) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:25:23 -0500 Subject: [Instiki] instiki - ar Message-ID: <000001c6331d$f7c63cb0$6c00a8c0@M1400VA> Is there a simple clear cut explanation of what has to be done, step by step, to install Instiki AR on a Windows XP computer, by a newbie? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060216/6988c3cf/attachment.htm From lists at mihelac.org Thu Feb 16 14:59:58 2006 From: lists at mihelac.org (Bojan Mihelac) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Instiki] instiki - ar In-Reply-To: <000001c6331d$f7c63cb0$6c00a8c0@M1400VA> References: <000001c6331d$f7c63cb0$6c00a8c0@M1400VA> Message-ID: <43F4D9BE.4030601@mihelac.org> David Guest wrote: > > Is there a simple clear cut explanation of what has to be done, step > by step, to install Instiki AR on a Windows XP computer, by a newbie? > > > > Thanks! > Hi David, these is tested with MySql on Win32 1. unzip instiki-ar-beta1.zip 2. create database, for example instiki (with phpmyadmin or similiar tool) 3. create database.yml in config folder and set up database options (see database.default.yml to see how to setup) 4. run: ruby script/create_db (in folder where you unnzipped instiki-ar, this would create tables in database) 5. run: ruby instiki (these starts webrick webserver) 6. open http://localhost:2500 (you can see the port where WEBrick is in command prompt) hope that helps you. Bojan Mihelac -- Bojan Mihelac( Informatika Mihelac, Bojan Mihelac( s.p. | www.informatikamihelac.com T: +386(0)1 428 93 43 | M: +386(0)40 306 813 | E: bmihelac at mihelac.org -> tools, scripts, tricks from our code lab: http://source.mihelac.org -> c(itajte c(asopis za internet kulturu i poslovanje: www.enter-net.biz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060216/a0a2b2d2/attachment.htm From philip at electricvisions.com Sat Feb 18 13:31:03 2006 From: philip at electricvisions.com (Philip Thompson) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:31:03 +0000 Subject: [Instiki] Is Instiki AR replacing Madeleine? Message-ID: <43F767E7.4040208@electricvisions.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060218/eb9655d9/attachment.htm From warpman at kv.net.pl Sun Feb 19 13:45:04 2006 From: warpman at kv.net.pl (=?iso-8859-2?B?UHJ6ZW15c7NhdyBQYXdls2N6eWs=?=) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:45:04 -0600 Subject: [Instiki] Is Instiki AR replacing Madeleine? In-Reply-To: <43F767E7.4040208@electricvisions.com> References: <43F767E7.4040208@electricvisions.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:31:03 -0600, Philip Thompson wrote: > Are you going to continue support for Madeleine or is AR going to > replace it? I > like the Madeleine version as it really is simple to setup and use. The > generate > HTML pages is the perfect feature for my site. I've spent too many years > writing > HTML and want a quick way to create pages. Hi, Let me jump the topic. I've used Instiki with Madeleine on my Debian PC only to generate HTML pages for the WWW server/Internet router in our local housing estate network. See http://warpman.kv.net.pl. It's all Instiki site. The plans were ambituous but Instiki started to choke as pages number increased. So, if AR version were more potent for the job of my wiki/blog I'd be all for it. But as I stumbled on many snags in using AR (I wrote on it to the list earlier) I'd like to know the development timeline of AR or should I go for WordPress? I must admit I want my texts under my control not on someone's server. Installing Instiki Madeleine on Debian Sarge 3.1r1 was a snap. What about the future Instiki AR version? Cheers, warpman (Przemys?aw Pawe?czyk) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From luigi.rizzo at gmail.com Sun Feb 19 19:16:14 2006 From: luigi.rizzo at gmail.com (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:16:14 +0100 Subject: [Instiki] Problems with bluecloth in instiki (subversion version) Message-ID: <1c7fecb90602191616i74c1c1advd3206e0774ccc215@mail.gmail.com> hello. I get the following error: ==> Stack overflow in regexp matcher: / ^ # Start of line <(p|div|h[1-6]|blockquote|pre|table|dl|ol|ul|script) # Start tag: \2 \b # word break (.*\n)*? # Any number of lines, minimal match <\/\1> # Matching end tag [ ]* # trailing spaces (?=\n+|\Z) # End of line or document /ix by adding this text to a page (please, see below ==>). I'm running the lastest SVN version of instiki. Is it possible to substitute (upgrade) the existing "bluecloth_tweaked.rb" file with the latest bluecloth library (which could possibly fix this isssue?). Thanks. --L ==> Let the Good Times Roll--by Guy Kawasaki: January 2006 The Zen of Business Plans ------------------------- In my day job, I not only hear a lot of PowerPoint pitches, but I also read a lot of business plans. The PowerPoint pitches explain my M?ni?re's disease, but the business plans explain my recent need for reading glasses. One of my goals for blogging is to reduce the external factors that are causing the degradation of my body, so this entry's topic is the zen of business plans. * Write for all the right reasons. Most people write business plans to attract investors, and while this is necessary to raise money, most venture capitalists have made a "gut level" go/no go decision during the PowerPoint pitch. Receiving (and possibly reading) the business plan is a mechanical step in due diligence. The more relevant and important reason to write is a business plan, whether you are raising money or not, is to force the management team to solidify the objectives (what), strategies (how), and tactics (when, where, who). Even if you have all the capital in the world, you should still write a business plan. Indeed, especially if you have all the capital in the world because too much capital is worse than too little. * Make it a solo effort. While creation of the business plan should be a group effort involving all the principal players in the company, the actual writing of the business plan--literally sitting down at a computer and pounding out the document--should be a solo effort. And ideally the CEO should do it because she will need to know the plan by heart. Take it from an author, for writing to be cogent and consistent, there needs to be only one author. It's very difficult to cut-copy-and-paste several people's sections and come out with a good plan. * Pitch, then plan. Most people create a business plan, and it's a piece of crap: sixty pages long, fifty-page appendix, full of buzzwords, acronyms, and superficialities like, "All we need is one percent of the market." Then they create a PowerPoint pitch from it. Is it any wonder why that the plans are lousy when they are based on crappy pitches? The correct sequence is to perfect a pitch (10/20/30), and then write the plan from it. Write this down: A good business plan is an elaboration of a good pitch; a good pitch is not the distillation of good business plan. Why? Because it's much easier to revise a pitch than to revise a plan. Give the pitch a few times, see what works and what doesn't, change the pitch, and then write the plan. Think of your pitch as your outline, and your plan as the full text. How many people write the full text and then write the outline? * Put in the right stuff. Here's what a business plan should address: Executive Summary (1), Problem (1), Solution (1), Business Model (1), Underlying Magic (1), Marketing and Sales (1), Competition (1), Team (1), Projections (1), Status and Timeline (1), and Conclusion (1). Essentially, this is the same list of topics as a PowerPoint pitch. Those numbers in parenthesis are the ideal lengths for each section; note that they add up to eleven. As you'll see in a few paragraphs, the ideal length of a business plan is twenty pages, so I've given you nine pages extra as a fudge factor. * Focus on the executive summary. True or false: The most important part of a business plan is the section about the management team. The answer is False.* The executive summary, all one page of it, is the most important part of a business plan. If it isn't fantastic, eyeball-sucking, and pulse-altering, people won't read beyond it to find out who's on your great team, what's your business model, and why your product is curve jumping, paradigm shifting, and revolutionary. You should spend eighty percent of your effort on writing a great executive summary. Most people spend eighty percent of their effort on crafty a one million cell Excel spreadsheet that no one believes. * Keep it clean. The ideal length of a business plan is twenty pages or less, and this includes the appendix. For every ten pages over twenty pages, you decrease the likelihood that the plan will be read, much less funded, by twenty-five percent. When it comes to business plans, less is more. Many people believe that the purpose of a business plan is to create such shock and awe that investors are begging for wiring instructions; the reality is that the purpose of a a business plan is to get to the next step: continued due diligence with activities such as checking personal and customer references. The tighter the thinking, the shorter the plan; the shorter the plan, the faster it will get read. * Provide a one-page financial projection plus key metrics. Many business plans contain five year projections with a $100 million top line and such minute levels of detail that the budget for pencils is a line item. Everyone knows that you're pulling numbers out of the air that you think are large enough to be interesting, but not so large as to render urine drug-testing unnecessary. Do everyone a favor: Reduce your Excel hallucinations to one page and provide a forecast of the key metrics of your business--for example, the number of paying customers. These key metrics provide insight into your assumptions. For example, if you're assuming that you'll get twenty percent of the Fortune 500 to buy your product in the first year, I would suggest checking into a rehab program. * Catalyze fantasy. Don't include citations of some consulting firm's supposed validation of your market. For example, "Jupiter Research says that the market for avocado-farming software like we make will be $10 billion by 2010." No one ever believes this "validations" because the entrepreneur who pitched at 9:00 am said this about USB thumb drives; the one at 10:00 am said this about online dog food sales, and the one at 11:00 said this about smart antennas for cell phones. What you want to do is catalyze fantasy: that is, enable the reader to make her own mental calculation that this market is big. "Every Nokia Series 40 and Series 60 owner would buy this--Wow, this is a hot market!" * Write deliberate, act emergent. I borrowed this from my buddy Clayton Christensen. It means that when you write your plan, you act as if you know exactly what you're going to do. You are deliberate. You're probably wrong, but you take your best shot. However, writing deliberate doesn't mean that you adhere to the plan in the face of new information and new opportunities. As you execute the plan, you act emergent--that is, you are flexible and fast moving: changing as you learn more and more about the market. The plan, after all, should not take on a life of its own. * Note: the question is what is the most important part of the business plan, not what is the most important part of the business itself. The management team is more important than the executive summary to the business, but the discussion of the management team is not the most important part of the business plan because if the executive summary sucks, people won't get to the management team section. http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/01/index.html From wolf2k5 at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 17:33:18 2006 From: wolf2k5 at gmail.com (wolf2k5) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:33:18 +0100 Subject: [Instiki] Mac OS X export issue Message-ID: <8d8ba2bb0602261433w22700ecld23d0e24e3909a9c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I hit the known issue with the export feature for Instiki 0.10.2 on Mac OS X (empty or corrupt ZIP file). Does anyone know how to fix it? Thanks. From instiki at maxdunn.com Tue Feb 28 16:50:03 2006 From: instiki at maxdunn.com (Max Dunn) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Instiki] Watched page email notifications Message-ID: <003201c63cb0$eeac2e90$fc01a8c0@MaxDunnAV> Is anyone working on "watch" feature for Instiki that will email notifications when pages are changed? This is a feature I need, but before I coded it myself I wanted to check to see if anyone else is already working on it. --Max Dunn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/attachments/20060228/d0b2e7ae/attachment.htm