From james.herdman at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:32:04 2008 From: james.herdman at gmail.com (James Herdman) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:32:04 -0400 Subject: Revert of ExampleGroup changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm extremely interested in the fundamentals of how experienced Merb developers view the status quo for Merb-based applications. Perhaps we should devise a tutorial for a simple controller for the Merb home page? James On 31-Mar-08, at 8:10 PM, Jed Hurt wrote: > Does this revert remove the ability to spec views in isolation? http://github.com/wycats/merb-core/commit/6867c0b8c4f8a985b7e75c571be9aea9e077861e > > If so, is Tim Connor's method currently my best bet? http://www.timocracy.com/articles/2007/12/17/isolated-controller-and-view-testing-in-merb > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel From ez at engineyard.com Tue Apr 1 14:40:13 2008 From: ez at engineyard.com (Ezra Zygmuntowicz) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:40:13 -0700 Subject: Revert of ExampleGroup changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah now that 0.9.2 is out to rubyforge we really need some default samples of best practices. I'd be happy to work with someone if they wanted to step up to make some examples. Cheers- -Ezra On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:32 AM, James Herdman wrote: > I'm extremely interested in the fundamentals of how experienced Merb > developers view the status quo for Merb-based applications. Perhaps > we should devise a tutorial for a simple controller for the Merb home > page? > > James > > On 31-Mar-08, at 8:10 PM, Jed Hurt wrote: >> Does this revert remove the ability to spec views in isolation? http://github.com/wycats/merb-core/commit/6867c0b8c4f8a985b7e75c571be9aea9e077861e >> >> If so, is Tim Connor's method currently my best bet? http://www.timocracy.com/articles/2007/12/17/isolated-controller-and-view-testing-in-merb >> _______________________________________________ >> Merb-devel mailing list >> Merb-devel at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel - Ezra Zygmuntowicz -- Founder & Software Architect -- ezra at engineyard.com -- EngineYard.com From jed.hurt at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:41:14 2008 From: jed.hurt at gmail.com (Jed Hurt) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:41:14 -0600 Subject: Official Wiki Message-ID: Merb seems to have quite a fledgling community of hackers. Perhaps it's time to throw up a wiki at merbivore.com and allow the Merb noobies (me included ;) to draw on the collective. If I throw something together, are you down, Ezra? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/merb-devel/attachments/20080401/7efbb037/attachment.html From ez at engineyard.com Tue Apr 1 14:45:49 2008 From: ez at engineyard.com (Ezra Zygmuntowicz) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:45:49 -0700 Subject: Official Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D01D373-7AEC-4039-B81E-719DB5807296@engineyard.com> Jed Yes I'm down ;) I've wanted to do this for a while now but just haven't had the time. if you wanted to make a simple wiki based on merb I can get you the layouts and css from merbivore.com. or if that's too much work I am not opposed to just throwing up mediawiki for now just to get it started. Cheers- -Ezra On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Jed Hurt wrote: > Merb seems to have quite a fledgling community of hackers. Perhaps > it's time to throw up a wiki at merbivore.com and allow the Merb > noobies (me included ;) to draw on the collective. If I throw > something together, are you down, Ezra? > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel - Ezra Zygmuntowicz -- Founder & Software Architect -- ezra at engineyard.com -- EngineYard.com From lancecarlson at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 14:49:14 2008 From: lancecarlson at gmail.com (Lance Carlson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:49:14 -0400 Subject: Official Wiki In-Reply-To: <6D01D373-7AEC-4039-B81E-719DB5807296@engineyard.com> References: <6D01D373-7AEC-4039-B81E-719DB5807296@engineyard.com> Message-ID: <49f64a900804011149q2ff1aa90w5634a4b4ba6f718d@mail.gmail.com> When do you want to work on this? Maybe we can gather thoughts in IRC? On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote: > Jed > > Yes I'm down ;) I've wanted to do this for a while now but just > haven't had the time. if you wanted to make a simple wiki based on > merb I can get you the layouts and css from merbivore.com. or if > that's too much work I am not opposed to just throwing up mediawiki > for now just to get it started. > > Cheers- > -Ezra > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Jed Hurt wrote: > > Merb seems to have quite a fledgling community of hackers. Perhaps > > it's time to throw up a wiki at merbivore.com and allow the Merb > > noobies (me included ;) to draw on the collective. If I throw > > something together, are you down, Ezra? > > _______________________________________________ > > Merb-devel mailing list > > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > > - Ezra Zygmuntowicz > -- Founder & Software Architect > -- ezra at engineyard.com > -- EngineYard.com > > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > From james.herdman at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 15:42:44 2008 From: james.herdman at gmail.com (James Herdman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:42:44 -0400 Subject: Revert of ExampleGroup changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <546b89120804021242s49a70bf4wa898dc5cf1cefd33@mail.gmail.com> I'm willing to spend some time on this. I'm fairly new at Merb, so I'm likely to ask all those wonderful newb-y questions along the way. James On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote: > > Yeah now that 0.9.2 is out to rubyforge we really need some default > samples of best practices. I'd be happy to work with someone if they wanted > to step up to make some examples. > > Cheers- > -Ezra > > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:32 AM, James Herdman wrote: > > > I'm extremely interested in the fundamentals of how experienced Merb > > developers view the status quo for Merb-based applications. Perhaps > > we should devise a tutorial for a simple controller for the Merb home > > page? > > > > James > > > > On 31-Mar-08, at 8:10 PM, Jed Hurt wrote: > > > > > Does this revert remove the ability to spec views in isolation? > > > http://github.com/wycats/merb-core/commit/6867c0b8c4f8a985b7e75c571be9aea9e077861e > > > > > > If so, is Tim Connor's method currently my best bet? > > > http://www.timocracy.com/articles/2007/12/17/isolated-controller-and-view-testing-in-merb > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Merb-devel mailing list > > > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Merb-devel mailing list > > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > > > > - Ezra Zygmuntowicz > -- Founder & Software Architect > -- ezra at engineyard.com > -- EngineYard.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/merb-devel/attachments/20080402/a3005703/attachment-0001.html From jed.hurt at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:17:00 2008 From: jed.hurt at gmail.com (Jed Hurt) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:17:00 -0600 Subject: Revert of ExampleGroup changes In-Reply-To: <546b89120804021242s49a70bf4wa898dc5cf1cefd33@mail.gmail.com> References: <546b89120804021242s49a70bf4wa898dc5cf1cefd33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds great, James. I started building a wiki yesterday ( http://github.com/meekish/collective) that we'll hopefully have up at wiki.merbivore.com by the end of the week. It would be great to launch it with some decent content. Maybe this thread would be a good place to gather a list of content that everyone thinks would be a good fit for the wiki. Once we get a list, perhaps we can divide and conquer and have a nicely fleshed out wiki by the time we're ready for launch. So, anyone, ideas? On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:42 PM, James Herdman wrote: > I'm willing to spend some time on this. I'm fairly new at Merb, so I'm > likely to ask all those wonderful newb-y questions along the way. > James > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz > wrote: > > > > > Yeah now that 0.9.2 is out to rubyforge we really need some > > default samples of best practices. I'd be happy to work with someone if they > > wanted to step up to make some examples. > > > > Cheers- > > -Ezra > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:32 AM, James Herdman wrote: > > > > > I'm extremely interested in the fundamentals of how experienced Merb > > > developers view the status quo for Merb-based applications. Perhaps > > > we should devise a tutorial for a simple controller for the Merb home > > > page? > > > > > > James > > > > > > On 31-Mar-08, at 8:10 PM, Jed Hurt wrote: > > > > > > > Does this revert remove the ability to spec views in isolation? > > > > http://github.com/wycats/merb-core/commit/6867c0b8c4f8a985b7e75c571be9aea9e077861e > > > > > > > > If so, is Tim Connor's method currently my best bet? > > > > http://www.timocracy.com/articles/2007/12/17/isolated-controller-and-view-testing-in-merb > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Merb-devel mailing list > > > > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Merb-devel mailing list > > > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > > > > > > > - Ezra Zygmuntowicz > > -- Founder & Software Architect > > -- ezra at engineyard.com > > -- EngineYard.com > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/merb-devel/attachments/20080402/be7e970d/attachment.html From james.herdman at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 19:12:50 2008 From: james.herdman at gmail.com (James Herdman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:12:50 -0400 Subject: Revert of ExampleGroup changes In-Reply-To: <546b89120804021608o5279fa89sc77ed45ba0116f57@mail.gmail.com> References: <546b89120804021242s49a70bf4wa898dc5cf1cefd33@mail.gmail.com> <546b89120804021608o5279fa89sc77ed45ba0116f57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <546b89120804021612n657f67acs3745a0c8fc51e933@mail.gmail.com> D'oh! Forgot to reply to the group... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James Herdman Date: Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Revert of ExampleGroup changes To: Jed Hurt Maybe this thread would be a good place to gather a list of content that > everyone thinks would be a good fit for the wiki. Once we get a list, > perhaps we can divide and conquer and have a nicely fleshed out wiki by the > time we're ready for launch. > Something that might be handy for Merb newbies is a comparison of the "Rails" ways versus the "Merb" way for things where you're not left to your own devices. Routing, for example. James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/merb-devel/attachments/20080402/342ebf11/attachment.html From ez at engineyard.com Thu Apr 3 18:45:50 2008 From: ez at engineyard.com (Ezra Zygmuntowicz) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:45:50 -0700 Subject: Mailing list moved to Google Group Message-ID: Hey Everyone- We're going to start using the google group instead of this rubyforge mailing list. Please send all future posts to the group here: http://groups.google.com/group/merb Thanks! - Ezra Zygmuntowicz -- Founder & Software Architect -- ezra at engineyard.com -- EngineYard.com From julian at coretech.net.au Thu Apr 3 18:51:07 2008 From: julian at coretech.net.au (Julian Leviston) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:07 +1100 Subject: Mailing list moved to Google Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't wanna sign into google :( On 04/04/2008, at 9:45 AM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote: > Hey Everyone- > > We're going to start using the google group instead of this rubyforge > mailing list. Please send all future posts to the group here: > > http://groups.google.com/group/merb > > Thanks! > - Ezra Zygmuntowicz > -- Founder & Software Architect > -- ezra at engineyard.com > -- EngineYard.com > > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel From phlip2005 at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 20:51:49 2008 From: phlip2005 at gmail.com (Phlip) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:51:49 -0700 Subject: Mailing list moved to Google Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julian Leviston wrote: > I don't wanna sign into google :( Can news://news.gmane.org:119/gmane.comp.web.merb.devel re-point to the Google Group, or such a transition outside GMane's (amazingly wide) domain? -- Phlip From jed.hurt at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 20:57:27 2008 From: jed.hurt at gmail.com (Jed Hurt) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:57:27 -0600 Subject: Mailing list moved to Google Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome. See you on the great white Google! On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote: > Hey Everyone- > > We're going to start using the google group instead of this > rubyforge > mailing list. Please send all future posts to the group here: > > http://groups.google.com/group/merb > > Thanks! > - Ezra Zygmuntowicz > -- Founder & Software Architect > -- ezra at engineyard.com > -- EngineYard.com > > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/merb-devel/attachments/20080403/01a01b90/attachment.html From geraldbauer2007 at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 21:57:20 2008 From: geraldbauer2007 at gmail.com (Gerald Bauer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:57:20 -0700 Subject: Mailing list moved to Google Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e7cb8940804041857l1b04eff1xafcb82f91bc73d7a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, > I don't wanna sign into google :( There's no need to sign into Google. You can subscribe using your regular (non-Gmail) email address. Just send a message to merb-subscribe at googlegroups.com That's it. Cheers. -- Gerald Bauer - Internet Professional - http://geraldbauer.wordpress.com From james.herdman at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 13:16:34 2008 From: james.herdman at gmail.com (James Herdman) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:16:34 -0400 Subject: 'dependencies' and RedCloth Message-ID: <546b89120804221016k41aaf110i52659a629ea51278@mail.gmail.com> Hey gang. Jed noticed an issue with the 'dependency'/'dependencies' macro the other day when working on the Collective wiki. Namely, if you make RedCloth a dependency Merb gets a little cranky. I think I have this figured out when doing some mods to Collective today too. However, before I go trying to fix this in Merb, I wanted to run this by the community. The problem is simple: RedCloth requires you first load Rubygems. That is... Hey Jed. I think I have this 'dependency' and RedCloth thing figured out. When I was trying to make the Viking gem a dependency Merb complained. Do you know what both RedCloth and Viking (gem) require? Rubygems! That is... # In IRB... irb> require 'redcloth' LoadError: no such file to load -- redcloth from (irb):1:in `require' from (irb):1 from :0 irb> require 'rubygems' true irb> require 'redcloth' true My question is this: do we change the dependencies macro to load rubygems when this happens, or do we ignore it and demand that the user explicitly require a library outside of the dependencies macro (see http://github.com/meekish/collective/tree/master/config/init.rb#L25 for an illustration)? James H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/merb-devel/attachments/20080422/45b832e9/attachment.html From ez at engineyard.com Tue Apr 22 13:26:26 2008 From: ez at engineyard.com (Ezra Zygmuntowicz) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:26:26 -0700 Subject: 'dependencies' and RedCloth In-Reply-To: <546b89120804221016k41aaf110i52659a629ea51278@mail.gmail.com> References: <546b89120804221016k41aaf110i52659a629ea51278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F56E046-81A8-40A8-AF69-516D7B6B36EB@engineyard.com> Rubygems shoudl already be required by the time init.rb is loaded. But in the general case dependency is kinda broken on some versions of rubygems. SO for now I recommend just using require unless you need to specify a version. -Ezra On Apr 22, 2008, at 10:16 AM, James Herdman wrote: > Hey gang. > > Jed noticed an issue with the 'dependency'/'dependencies' macro the > other day when working on the Collective wiki. Namely, if you make > RedCloth a dependency Merb gets a little cranky. I think I have > this figured out when doing some mods to Collective today too. > However, before I go trying to fix this in Merb, I wanted to run > this by the community. > > The problem is simple: RedCloth requires you first load Rubygems. > That is... > > Hey Jed. > > I think I have this 'dependency' and RedCloth thing figured out. > When I was trying to make the Viking gem a dependency Merb > complained. Do you know what both RedCloth and Viking (gem) > require? Rubygems! That is... > > # In IRB... > irb> require 'redcloth' > LoadError: no such file to load -- redcloth > from (irb):1:in `require' > from (irb):1 > from :0 > irb> require 'rubygems' > true > irb> require 'redcloth' > true > > My question is this: do we change the dependencies macro to load > rubygems when this happens, or do we ignore it and demand that the > user explicitly require a library outside of the dependencies macro > (see http://github.com/meekish/collective/tree/master/config/init.rb#L25 > for an illustration)? > > James H. > _______________________________________________ > Merb-devel mailing list > Merb-devel at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/merb-devel - Ezra Zygmuntowicz -- Founder & Software Architect -- ezra at engineyard.com -- EngineYard.com