' From lists-jared at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 6 09:06:40 2007 From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared Richardson) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:06:40 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] rubygems 0.9.1 over ruby 1.9? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks an awful lot like a bad download to me... could the zip file be corrupted? How do ask gem to delete all the downloaded gems and start clean? On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Keefe Hayes wrote: > Exception `Zlib::GzipFile::Error' at ./sources.gemspec:14 - not in > gzip format Exception `Gem::InstallError' at ./sources.gemspec:14 - > gzip error installing sources-0.0.1.gem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070206/888dda04/attachment.html From nathaniel at talbott.ws Tue Feb 6 09:12:40 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:12:40 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] rubygems 0.9.1 over ruby 1.9? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 6, 2007, at 08:27 , Keefe Hayes wrote: > I am trying to build Ruby 1.9 on a Powerbook running latest Tiger. > It builds successfully, but I cannot install rubygems 0.9.1. I see > the following error at the end. Any ideas? I have successfully > built ruby-1.8.5-p12 with rubygems-0.9.1. I'd suggest asking this on the ruby-core list, as it looks like it could be an issue with YARV, which I know is still buggy in spots. It appears that for some reason it thinks the sources gem is not a valid zipfile :-( -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From nospam at tonyspencer.com Tue Feb 6 13:58:08 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:58:08 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Captchas look different when generated on Mac and Windows Message-ID: <83C53468-3D52-413D-9C83-98B819F87327@tonyspencer.com> Has anyone else had a problem using validates_captcha on multiple environments? When the captcha is generated with default colors on a Windows machine it is easy to read but when the same default colors are used to generate a captcha on a Mac, the image is unreadable. I can change the colors on the Mac and am able to read the captcha fine but then the Windows generated captcha becomes unreadable. This causes a real problem when one team member is developing on Windows and another is on Mac. I don't even want to know what will happen when we deploy to the Linux server. Attached are examples of the different generated captchas. Its odd that even though the default background is white (#FFFFFF), the mac captcha looks far from white and closer to dark gray. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm pretty sure it comes down some version of some library, but I never ironed it out. I'm starting on Captcha for a client today and we'll be deploying to RHEL, so maybe I'll find out how it looks (or doesn't) on Linux... Jared http://JaredRichardson.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Tony Spencer wrote: > one else had a problem using validates_captcha on multiple > environments? When the captcha is generated with default colors on > a Windows machine it is easy to read but when the same default > colors are used to generate a captcha on a Mac, the image is > unreadable. I can change the colors on the Mac and am able to read > the captcha fine but then the Windows generated captcha becomes > unreadable. This causes a real problem when one team member is > developing on Windows and another is on Mac. I don't even want to > know what will happen when we deploy to the Linux server. > > Attached are examples of the different generated captchas. Its odd > that even though the default background is white (#FFFFFF), the mac > captcha looks far from white and closer to dark gray. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070206/e9b1a628/attachment-0001.html From nospam at tonyspencer.com Tue Feb 6 18:00:55 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:00:55 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Captchas look different when generated on Mac and Windows In-Reply-To: <83C53468-3D52-413D-9C83-98B819F87327@tonyspencer.com> References: <83C53468-3D52-413D-9C83-98B819F87327@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: <3EC6FD38-C03F-41D7-B2C6-004DFD4ED3B5@tonyspencer.com> Replying to my own message here but it looks like reversing the black/ white works well on both. So set the background to black and the letters to white seems to be very readable on both Windows and Mac (Intel). On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Tony Spencer wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem using validates_captcha on multiple > environments? When the captcha is generated with default colors on > a Windows machine it is easy to read but when the same default > colors are used to generate a captcha on a Mac, the image is > unreadable. I can change the colors on the Mac and am able to read > the captcha fine but then the Windows generated captcha becomes > unreadable. This causes a real problem when one team member is > developing on Windows and another is on Mac. I don't even want to > know what will happen when we deploy to the Linux server. > > Attached are examples of the different generated captchas. Its odd > that even though the default background is white (#FFFFFF), the mac > captcha looks far from white and closer to dark gray. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From DLanouette at computer.org Thu Feb 8 13:30:33 2007 From: DLanouette at computer.org (David Lanouette) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:30:33 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT: Lawyer recommendations? - Second try Message-ID: (Not sure this went through last time. Sorry if this is a duplicate) Sorry for the OT post, but I know several of you run small businesses. I'm trying to join that camp but I need a lawyer to deal with all the incorporation paperwork and partnership agreements. Any recommendations? North Raleigh would be preferable. Thanks in advance. -- David L. From nospam at tonyspencer.com Thu Feb 8 14:11:55 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:11:55 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT: Lawyer recommendations? - Second try In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436CD9F6-CA48-48A1-8F67-B3C3B68D5265@tonyspencer.com> Hi David, My lawyer has incorporated more than one company for me. He is painless and very reasonable (be careful; many are charging WAY too much). I think he charges me something like $200 or $225 total including the NC fee. Have also used him for everything from purchasing commercial property to legal threats over the past few years. Tell him Tony Spencer sent you: Dan Coleman http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1549932_1?noconfirm=0 On Feb 8, 2007, at 1:30 PM, David Lanouette wrote: > (Not sure this went through last time. Sorry if this is a duplicate) > > Sorry for the OT post, but I know several of you run small businesses. > > I'm trying to join that camp but I need a lawyer to deal with all the > incorporation paperwork and partnership agreements. > > Any recommendations? North Raleigh would be preferable. > > > Thanks in advance. > > -- David L. > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From pelargir at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 22:18:33 2007 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:18:33 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] RailsConf Attendence In-Reply-To: <530f4ae70702050819g5a179db1pe59f34297830dd5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <021901c7470d$02c8ced0$0660a8c0@Newton> <1ABF17D1-D646-4A78-93C2-580E8A8B6677@near-time.com> <530f4ae70702050819g5a179db1pe59f34297830dd5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For anyone who is still looking for a place to stay, I have a double at Courtyard (a few blocks closer to the convention center). O'Reilly reserved a block of rooms there for the speakers, though I imagine any hotel close to the convention center will be crawling with similarly enthused Rails aficionados. =) Ping me if you're interested. Ideally, I'd like to stay with someone I know. Matthew On 2/5/07, Sandi Metz wrote: > > All of the non-smoking rooms at the Double Tree are gone. > > I'm at the Marriott, for those who are late to the party... > > On 2/4/07, Blake Watters wrote: > > > > Double Tree > > > > On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Dan Snider wrote: > > > > > I'm in -- where are people staying? > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org > > >> [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf > > >> Of Nathaniel Talbott > > >> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:54 PM > > >> To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb > > >> Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] RailsConf Attendence > > >> > > >> On Feb 2, 2007, at 15:33 , Geoff Davis wrote: > > >> > > >>> I'm in! Who else is going? > > >> > > >> I'll be there: > > >> > > >> http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/rails2007/view/e_spkr/3123 > > >> > > >> Can't wait! > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Nathaniel Talbott > > >> > > >> <:((>< > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !DSPAM:57,45c64a4a36281378220508! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy! -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From PKristoff at acm.org Mon Feb 12 19:13:54 2007 From: PKristoff at acm.org (PKristoff at acm.org) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:13:54 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/Rails study group In-Reply-To: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> Message-ID: <011701c74f03$d901d2a0$1602a8c0@PaulsLaptopII> Folks, Last meetup I asked the question of the group as to whether people would be interested in getting a Ruby study group together. I had one person who showed interest. So, I am going to ask the same of the overall group. If you are not interested there is no need to reply, I will assume you are not. Below is the basic format I attend on using, assuming we get enough people, as you read it can you answer these questions: 1. Would you be interested? 2. Would you prefer Rails instead of Ruby? 3. Would you be interested in helping to form the group? 4. If interested, do you have any suggestions for improving the format? Basic format: Purpose: To study the Ruby Programming Language and its style of programming. Date: Meet 1-1.5 hours before the normal Ruby meetup [the idea here would be if we got stuck we could ask the experts coming that evening. Or even better ask them to join us] Format: We would take a section or two out of "The Ruby Way" by Hal Fulton, talk about it and the do some hands on programming. Paul Kristoff 214-598-9610 PKristoff at acm.org www.PaulKristoff.com -----Original Message----- From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Talbott Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:15 PM To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb Subject: [raleigh.rb] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and DevelopmentMonth at O'Reilly This came from O'Reilly - I thought ya'll might be interested: Begin forwarded message: > It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put > together a special resource page dedicated to web development > essentials > including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events: > http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev > > > Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when > they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground > shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. Enjoy! -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< _______________________________________________ raleigh-rb-members mailing list raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From ruby at bandkbroom.com Mon Feb 12 20:08:03 2007 From: ruby at bandkbroom.com (Brian Broom) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:03 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C In-Reply-To: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> References: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> Message-ID: <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered arrays and numeric values. I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. Brian Broom From ruby at bandkbroom.com Mon Feb 12 20:38:04 2007 From: ruby at bandkbroom.com (Brian Broom) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:38:04 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/Rails study group In-Reply-To: <011701c74f03$d901d2a0$1602a8c0@PaulsLaptopII> References: <011701c74f03$d901d2a0$1602a8c0@PaulsLaptopII> Message-ID: <45D1167C.90206@bandkbroom.com> PKristoff at acm.org wrote: > Folks, > > Last meetup I asked the question of the group as to whether people would > be interested in getting a Ruby study group together. I had one person who > showed interest. So, I am going to ask the same of the overall group. If > you are not interested there is no need to reply, I will assume you are not. > > Below is the basic format I attend on using, assuming we get enough > people, as you read it can you answer these questions: > > 1. Would you be interested? > 2. Would you prefer Rails instead of Ruby? > 3. Would you be interested in helping to form the group? > 4. If interested, do you have any suggestions for improving the format? > > Basic format: > > Purpose: To study the Ruby Programming Language and its style of > programming. > Date: Meet 1-1.5 hours before the normal Ruby meetup [the idea here would > be if we got stuck we could ask the experts coming that evening. Or even > better ask them to join us] > Format: We would take a section or two out of "The Ruby Way" by Hal Fulton, > talk about it and the do some hands on programming. > > > Paul Kristoff > 214-598-9610 > PKristoff at acm.org > www.PaulKristoff.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Nathaniel > Talbott > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:15 PM > To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb > Subject: [raleigh.rb] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and > DevelopmentMonth at O'Reilly > > This came from O'Reilly - I thought ya'll might be interested: > > Begin forwarded message: > > >> It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put >> together a special resource page dedicated to web development >> essentials >> including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events: >> http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev >> >> >> Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when >> they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground >> shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. >> > > Enjoy! > > > I would be interested in something like this. I'm (becoming) fairly comfortable with ruby, but what I know about rails would fit in a thimble. I would be more interested in rails, or some combination (maybe alternate?). I would not mind presenting/facilitating if that is needed. Brian Broom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070212/ffd2edad/attachment-0001.html From geoff at geoffdavis.net Mon Feb 12 20:53:02 2007 From: geoff at geoffdavis.net (Geoff Davis) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:53:02 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C In-Reply-To: <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> References: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> Message-ID: <363C75B6-5BC0-47F3-8218-C0B0BDBFADE3@geoffdavis.net> I have recently had good experiences with LinAlg, a package that gives you access to LAPACK functions in Ruby. If you're doing a lot of matrix-heavy stuff, you might want to check it out. http://rubyforge.org/projects/linalg/ On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Brian Broom wrote: > I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > arrays > and numeric values. > > I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > > The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. > > Brian Broom > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From lists-jared at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 12 21:21:19 2007 From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared Richardson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:21:19 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C In-Reply-To: <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> References: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> Message-ID: <6FA85DC4-DF01-4FA5-AF09-5F4FF7B33239@nc.rr.com> On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Brian Broom wrote: > I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > arrays > and numeric values. > > I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > I've submitted a talk to OSCON on using C to performance tune your Rails, but it's been a while since I've tinkered. I think the write up would be very useful. Several people I've spoken to said they had a really hard time getting the C extension code working the way they wanted it. > The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. > 200? Wow! That'd be a great article! > Brian Broom > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From nathaniel at talbott.ws Mon Feb 12 21:41:30 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:41:30 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C In-Reply-To: <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> References: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2007, at 20:08 , Brian Broom wrote: > I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > arrays > and numeric values. > > I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > > The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. You might find the SciRuby site/community interesting: http:// sciruby.codeforpeople.com/. They seem to have a good bit of info, and it might be a good place to contribute a write-up of your experience. Also (I may've mentioned this to you before) did you check out NArray (http://narray.rubyforge.org/)? My understanding is that it can give you a lot of performance without having to do any C. Also, Ruby/ Inline (http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyinline/) is really great for embedding C right in your RUby instead of having to mess with a separate compile process. Let us know if you write something up - I'd love to read it! -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From pelargir at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 22:50:35 2007 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:50:35 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/Rails study group In-Reply-To: <45D1167C.90206@bandkbroom.com> References: <011701c74f03$d901d2a0$1602a8c0@PaulsLaptopII> <45D1167C.90206@bandkbroom.com> Message-ID: This is a great idea, Paul. I'd be interested in participating and/or assisting as needed. Matthew On 2/12/07, Brian Broom wrote: > > PKristoff at acm.org wrote: > > Folks, > > Last meetup I asked the question of the group as to whether people would > be interested in getting a Ruby study group together. I had one person who > showed interest. So, I am going to ask the same of the overall group. If > you are not interested there is no need to reply, I will assume you are not. > > Below is the basic format I attend on using, assuming we get enough > people, as you read it can you answer these questions: > > 1. Would you be interested? > 2. Would you prefer Rails instead of Ruby? > 3. Would you be interested in helping to form the group? > 4. If interested, do you have any suggestions for improving the format? > > Basic format: > > Purpose: To study the Ruby Programming Language and its style of > programming. > Date: Meet 1-1.5 hours before the normal Ruby meetup [the idea here would > be if we got stuck we could ask the experts coming that evening. Or even > better ask them to join us] > Format: We would take a section or two out of "The Ruby Way" by Hal Fulton, > talk about it and the do some hands on programming. > > > Paul Kristoff > 214-598-9610 > PKristoff at acm.orgwww.PaulKristoff.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org > [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org ] On Behalf Of Nathaniel > Talbott > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:15 PM > To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb > Subject: [raleigh.rb] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and > DevelopmentMonth at O'Reilly > > This came from O'Reilly - I thought ya'll might be interested: > > Begin forwarded message: > > It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just put > together a special resource page dedicated to web development > essentials > including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events: > http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev > > > Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when > they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground > shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. > > > Enjoy! > > > I would be interested in something like this. I'm (becoming) fairly > comfortable with ruby, but what I know about rails would fit in a thimble. > I would be more interested in rails, or some combination (maybe > alternate?). I would not mind presenting/facilitating if that is needed. > > Brian Broom > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070212/9f26e969/attachment.html From ruby at bandkbroom.com Tue Feb 13 00:35:01 2007 From: ruby at bandkbroom.com (Brian Broom) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:35:01 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C In-Reply-To: References: <49416E81-71F6-4549-A03C-C2E21365B80E@talbott.ws> <45D10F73.2060001@bandkbroom.com> Message-ID: <45D14E05.6050806@bandkbroom.com> Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Feb 12, 2007, at 20:08 , Brian Broom wrote: > > >> I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily >> from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I >> work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). >> I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered >> arrays >> and numeric values. >> >> I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if >> anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. >> >> The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and >> primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. >> The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class >> setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. >> > > You might find the SciRuby site/community interesting: http:// > sciruby.codeforpeople.com/. They seem to have a good bit of info, and > it might be a good place to contribute a write-up of your experience. > > Also (I may've mentioned this to you before) did you check out NArray > (http://narray.rubyforge.org/)? My understanding is that it can give > you a lot of performance without having to do any C. Also, Ruby/ > Inline (http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyinline/) is really great > for embedding C right in your RUby instead of having to mess with a > separate compile process. > > Let us know if you write something up - I'd love to read it! > > > I've used NArray before, but I didn't think to look at the code to see how they did things. I'll have to do that. I've written up the first part of what I did, dealing with numbers and arrays. I'll do the benchmark parts later, hopefully this week. Let me know what you guys think. http://www.bandkbroom.com/blog/2007/02/13/RubyExtensionsInCPartI.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070213/de9b6ecf/attachment.html From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 13:20:17 2007 From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:20:17 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow Message-ID: I haven't seen the fateful 'pre meeting chow' message show up yet. Is 5:30 at Baja Burritos still the hot spot? If so, I'm game. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070220/929676f3/attachment.html From nathaniel at talbott.ws Tue Feb 20 14:34:21 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:34:21 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 20, 2007, at 13:20 , Mark Bennett wrote: > I haven't seen the fateful 'pre meeting chow' message show up yet. > Is 5:30 at Baja Burritos still the hot spot? If so, I'm game. Yup, I'm negligent: As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 tonight at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting. While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with "In!" or somesuch) would be great. Looking forward to it, -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From benkong2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:05:23 2007 From: benkong2 at gmail.com (Benjamin Davis) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:05:23 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Interested in getting a Ruby study group Message-ID: I have not been to a meeting in awhile as I felt so dwarfed by all of you in the knowledge area. However I would like to participate in a study group...if it covers the basics and then moves on. Benjamin On 2/20/07, raleigh-rb-members-request at rubyforge.org < raleigh-rb-members-request at rubyforge.org> wrote: > > Send raleigh-rb-members mailing list submissions to > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > raleigh-rb-members-request at rubyforge.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > raleigh-rb-members-owner at rubyforge.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of raleigh-rb-members digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ruby extension in C (Geoff Davis) > 2. Re: Ruby extension in C (Jared Richardson) > 3. Re: Ruby extension in C (Nathaniel Talbott) > 4. Re: Ruby/Rails study group (Matthew) > 5. Re: Ruby extension in C (Brian Broom) > 6. Pre-Meeting Chow (Mark Bennett) > 7. Re: Pre-Meeting Chow (Nathaniel Talbott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:53:02 -0500 > From: Geoff Davis > Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C > To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" > > Message-ID: <363C75B6-5BC0-47F3-8218-C0B0BDBFADE3 at geoffdavis.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I have recently had good experiences with LinAlg, a package that > gives you access to LAPACK functions in Ruby. If you're doing a lot > of matrix-heavy stuff, you might want to check it out. > > http://rubyforge.org/projects/linalg/ > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Brian Broom wrote: > > > I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > > from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > > work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > > I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > > arrays > > and numeric values. > > > > I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > > anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > > > > The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > > primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > > The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > > setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. > > > > Brian Broom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:21:19 -0500 > From: Jared Richardson > Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C > To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" > > Message-ID: <6FA85DC4-DF01-4FA5-AF09-5F4FF7B33239 at nc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Brian Broom wrote: > > > I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > > from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > > work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > > I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > > arrays > > and numeric values. > > > > I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > > anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > > > > I've submitted a talk to OSCON on using C to performance tune your > Rails, but it's been a while since I've tinkered. I think the write > up would be very useful. Several people I've spoken to said they had > a really hard time getting the C extension code working the way they > wanted it. > > > The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > > primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > > The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > > setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. > > > > 200? Wow! That'd be a great article! > > > Brian Broom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:41:30 -0500 > From: Nathaniel Talbott > Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C > To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 20:08 , Brian Broom wrote: > > > I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > > from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > > work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > > I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > > arrays > > and numeric values. > > > > I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > > anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > > > > The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > > primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > > The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > > setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. > > You might find the SciRuby site/community interesting: http:// > sciruby.codeforpeople.com/. They seem to have a good bit of info, and > it might be a good place to contribute a write-up of your experience. > > Also (I may've mentioned this to you before) did you check out NArray > (http://narray.rubyforge.org/)? My understanding is that it can give > you a lot of performance without having to do any C. Also, Ruby/ > Inline (http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyinline/) is really great > for embedding C right in your RUby instead of having to mess with a > separate compile process. > > Let us know if you write something up - I'd love to read it! > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > > <:((>< > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:50:35 -0500 > From: Matthew > Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/Rails study group > To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This is a great idea, Paul. I'd be interested in participating and/or > assisting as needed. > > Matthew > > > On 2/12/07, Brian Broom wrote: > > > > PKristoff at acm.org wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > Last meetup I asked the question of the group as to whether people > would > > be interested in getting a Ruby study group together. I had one person > who > > showed interest. So, I am going to ask the same of the overall > group. If > > you are not interested there is no need to reply, I will assume you are > not. > > > > Below is the basic format I attend on using, assuming we get enough > > people, as you read it can you answer these questions: > > > > 1. Would you be interested? > > 2. Would you prefer Rails instead of Ruby? > > 3. Would you be interested in helping to form the group? > > 4. If interested, do you have any suggestions for improving the > format? > > > > Basic format: > > > > Purpose: To study the Ruby Programming Language and its style of > > programming. > > Date: Meet 1-1.5 hours before the normal Ruby meetup [the idea here > would > > be if we got stuck we could ask the experts coming that evening. Or > even > > better ask them to join us] > > Format: We would take a section or two out of "The Ruby Way" by Hal > Fulton, > > talk about it and the do some hands on programming. > > > > > > Paul Kristoff > > 214-598-9610 > > PKristoff at acm.orgwww.PaulKristoff.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org > > [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org < > raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org>] On Behalf Of Nathaniel > > Talbott > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:15 PM > > To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb > > Subject: [raleigh.rb] Fwd: UG News--February is Web Design and > > DevelopmentMonth at O'Reilly > > > > This came from O'Reilly - I thought ya'll might be interested: > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > It's Web Design and Development Month here at O'Reilly and we just > put > > together a special resource page dedicated to web development > > essentials > > including books, PDF Short Cuts, articles, and author events: > > http://www.oreilly.com/go/webdev > > > > > > Don't forget your members can receive 35% off any of these titles when > > they use discount code DSUG on our site. There's also free ground > > shipping in the US on orders over $29.95. > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > I would be interested in something like this. I'm (becoming) fairly > > comfortable with ruby, but what I know about rails would fit in a > thimble. > > I would be more interested in rails, or some combination (maybe > > alternate?). I would not mind presenting/facilitating if that is > needed. > > > > Brian Broom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070212/9f26e969/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:35:01 -0500 > From: Brian Broom > Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Ruby extension in C > To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" > > Message-ID: <45D14E05.6050806 at bandkbroom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 20:08 , Brian Broom wrote: > > > > > >> I've done some poking around with writing extensions in C, primarily > >> from a performance standpoint during heavy numerical calculations (I > >> work with physics simulations, so this is pretty much where I live). > >> I've seen some tutorials online, but didn't see one that covered > >> arrays > >> and numeric values. > >> > >> I'm wondering how useful this would be for me to write up? Also, if > >> anyone has any titbits about this, I'd love to hear them. > >> > >> The bottom line is that heavy floating point is about 10x faster, and > >> primarily integer calcs are about 200x faster when shifted over to c. > >> The nice thing is that you can keep everything else in ruby (class > >> setup, I/O, setup, etc) and get the same speed as C by itself. > >> > > > > You might find the SciRuby site/community interesting: http:// > > sciruby.codeforpeople.com/. They seem to have a good bit of info, and > > it might be a good place to contribute a write-up of your experience. > > > > Also (I may've mentioned this to you before) did you check out NArray > > (http://narray.rubyforge.org/)? My understanding is that it can give > > you a lot of performance without having to do any C. Also, Ruby/ > > Inline (http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyinline/) is really great > > for embedding C right in your RUby instead of having to mess with a > > separate compile process. > > > > Let us know if you write something up - I'd love to read it! > > > > > > > I've used NArray before, but I didn't think to look at the code to see > how they did things. I'll have to do that. > > I've written up the first part of what I did, dealing with numbers and > arrays. I'll do the benchmark parts later, hopefully this week. Let me > know what you guys think. > > http://www.bandkbroom.com/blog/2007/02/13/RubyExtensionsInCPartI.aspx > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070213/de9b6ecf/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:20:17 -0500 > From: "Mark Bennett" > Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow > To: raleigh-rb > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I haven't seen the fateful 'pre meeting chow' message show up yet. Is > 5:30 > at Baja Burritos still the hot spot? If so, I'm game. > > Mark > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070220/929676f3/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:34:21 -0500 > From: Nathaniel Talbott > Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow > To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Feb 20, 2007, at 13:20 , Mark Bennett wrote: > > > I haven't seen the fateful 'pre meeting chow' message show up yet. > > Is 5:30 at Baja Burritos still the hot spot? If so, I'm game. > > Yup, I'm negligent: > > As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 > tonight at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and > some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting. > > While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email > with "In!" or somesuch) would be great. > > Looking forward to it, > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > > <:((>< > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > End of raleigh-rb-members Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6 > ************************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070220/9bed61dd/attachment-0001.html From chris at coderhythm.com Tue Feb 20 16:36:28 2007 From: chris at coderhythm.com (Chris O'Meara) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:36:28 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: In On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > > While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email > with "In!" or somesuch) would be great. From DLanouette at computer.org Tue Feb 20 17:13:21 2007 From: DLanouette at computer.org (David Lanouette) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:13:21 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: in (assuming I can find it...) - David On 2/20/07, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Feb 20, 2007, at 13:20 , Mark Bennett wrote: > > > I haven't seen the fateful 'pre meeting chow' message show up yet. > > Is 5:30 at Baja Burritos still the hot spot? If so, I'm game. > > Yup, I'm negligent: > > As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 > tonight at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and > some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting. > > While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email > with "In!" or somesuch) would be great. > > Looking forward to it, > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > > <:((>< > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From atomgiant at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 17:14:07 2007 From: atomgiant at gmail.com (Tom Davies) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:14:07 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: I'm In. On 2/20/07, Chris O'Meara wrote: > In > > On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > > > > > While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email > > with "In!" or somesuch) would be great. > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Tom Davies http://atomgiant.com http://gifthat.com From nospam at tonyspencer.com Wed Feb 21 10:13:31 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:13:31 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Its been said so many times that scaffold generator is only useful for learning how Rails works and maybe for rapid prototyping and I certainly agree. But scaffold is one of the big things that really excited me when I first discovered Rails. Yes I love everything about Rails and agree that the code generated by scaffold is useless, especially the views part that iterate over all the columns in the table making it impossible to customize the look and feel of an individual column. However, it seems to me the manual process of writing all your views and often using the same layout for list, form, show, new, and edit is very much against the DRY principle. Adding some additional functionality to scaffold that would allow for custom templates to be written and selected at generation could be extremely useful. This enhancement request is exactly what I'm getting at: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3109 Of course I'd still need to go in and make some changes here and there but 85% of the work would already be done for me and rapid prototyping would look far more like the finished product. I've also tried this hack but it only works well for _form.rhtml as the other bits of code that generate all the other views are embedded in the generator code and can't be overridden: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/447 Does anybody else feel like they are typing way too much and has anyone witnessed other solutions? P.S. - Here is one more that seems to help with the form builder only but no other views: http://tpl-formbuilder.rubyforge.org/ P.S.S. - I guess I'll still use scaffold in the meantime to stub out the controllers and create the views files that I have to rewrite but how do you stop it from creating plural model names in the URL? Tony Spencer From Keefe.Hayes at sas.com Wed Feb 21 10:42:22 2007 From: Keefe.Hayes at sas.com (Keefe Hayes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:42:22 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The folks at Relevance presented their Streamlined generator last August to the group. It looked pretty capable and they would be interested in input. http://streamlined.relevancellc.com/ Keefe -----Original Message----- From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Tony Spencer Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:14 AM To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? Its been said so many times that scaffold generator is only useful for learning how Rails works and maybe for rapid prototyping and I certainly agree. But scaffold is one of the big things that really excited me when I first discovered Rails. Yes I love everything about Rails and agree that the code generated by scaffold is useless, especially the views part that iterate over all the columns in the table making it impossible to customize the look and feel of an individual column. However, it seems to me the manual process of writing all your views and often using the same layout for list, form, show, new, and edit is very much against the DRY principle. Adding some additional functionality to scaffold that would allow for custom templates to be written and selected at generation could be extremely useful. This enhancement request is exactly what I'm getting at: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3109 Of course I'd still need to go in and make some changes here and there but 85% of the work would already be done for me and rapid prototyping would look far more like the finished product. I've also tried this hack but it only works well for _form.rhtml as the other bits of code that generate all the other views are embedded in the generator code and can't be overridden: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/447 Does anybody else feel like they are typing way too much and has anyone witnessed other solutions? P.S. - Here is one more that seems to help with the form builder only but no other views: http://tpl-formbuilder.rubyforge.org/ P.S.S. - I guess I'll still use scaffold in the meantime to stub out the controllers and create the views files that I have to rewrite but how do you stop it from creating plural model names in the URL? Tony Spencer _______________________________________________ raleigh-rb-members mailing list raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From nathaniel at talbott.ws Wed Feb 21 10:47:51 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:47:51 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <0F118B41-7C19-450F-895D-B757673B912B@talbott.ws> On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:13 , Tony Spencer wrote: > Its been said so many times that scaffold generator is only useful > for learning how Rails works and maybe for rapid prototyping and I > certainly agree. But scaffold is one of the big things that really > excited me when I first discovered Rails. Yes I love everything > about Rails and agree that the code generated by scaffold is useless, > especially the views part that iterate over all the columns in the > table making it impossible to customize the look and feel of an > individual column. However, it seems to me the manual process of > writing all your views and often using the same layout for list, > form, show, new, and edit is very much against the DRY principle. > Adding some additional functionality to scaffold that would allow for > custom templates to be written and selected at generation could be > extremely useful. This enhancement request is exactly what I'm > getting at: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3109 Based on past feedback from the core team about scaffolding, I don't think this will fly. However, you can actually do this yourself by creating your own generator. The generator framework is pretty slick, and you can get a great head-start by copying the built-in scaffolding generator as a starting place. Once you have a generator you like (perhaps even pulling templates from your suggested app/templates directory), you can package it up as a gem and release it. Then we could all benefit, too :-) HTH, -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From nospam at tonyspencer.com Wed Feb 21 11:06:28 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:06:28 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E15234A-B42D-41E4-A5EB-63BC18402A47@tonyspencer.com> Fantastic. Will give it a try today. BTW, I may have been misleading when I said "... often using the same layout for...". I should have said something like "same format". I didn't imply Rails layouts. Basically, I mean to say that most sites tend to have the same look and feel for basic forms and lists which is good UI design to avoid confusing the user and hence it makes sense to me to generate that same basic look and feel rather than hand coding it. I think you guys get where I'm coming from though. On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Keefe Hayes wrote: > The folks at Relevance presented their Streamlined generator last > August to the group. It looked pretty capable and they would be > interested in input. > http://streamlined.relevancellc.com/ > Keefe > > -----Original Message----- > From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:raleigh-rb- > members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Tony Spencer > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:14 AM > To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb > Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? > > Its been said so many times that scaffold generator is only useful > for learning how Rails works and maybe for rapid prototyping and I > certainly agree. But scaffold is one of the big things that really > excited me when I first discovered Rails. Yes I love everything > about Rails and agree that the code generated by scaffold is useless, > especially the views part that iterate over all the columns in the > table making it impossible to customize the look and feel of an > individual column. However, it seems to me the manual process of > writing all your views and often using the same layout for list, > form, show, new, and edit is very much against the DRY principle. > Adding some additional functionality to scaffold that would allow for > custom templates to be written and selected at generation could be > extremely useful. This enhancement request is exactly what I'm > getting at: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3109 > > Of course I'd still need to go in and make some changes here and > there but 85% of the work would already be done for me and rapid > prototyping would look far more like the finished product. > > I've also tried this hack but it only works well for _form.rhtml as > the other bits of code that generate all the other views are embedded > in the generator code and can't be overridden: > http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/447 > > Does anybody else feel like they are typing way too much and has > anyone witnessed other solutions? > > P.S. - Here is one more that seems to help with the form builder only > but no other views: http://tpl-formbuilder.rubyforge.org/ > P.S.S. - I guess I'll still use scaffold in the meantime to stub out > the controllers and create the views files that I have to rewrite but > how do you stop it from creating plural model names in the URL? > > Tony Spencer > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From jared.haworth at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 10:59:09 2007 From: jared.haworth at gmail.com (Jared Haworth) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:59:09 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: <0F118B41-7C19-450F-895D-B757673B912B@talbott.ws> References:

<0F118B41-7C19-450F-895D-B757673B912B@talbott.ws> Message-ID: <5F6DB610-C909-45EA-966C-CF2C21AA12B4@gmail.com> I use the scaffold_resource generator pretty frequently, to set up my RESTful CRUD structures. If someone wanted to take the time, a really useful generator would be one for Singleton Resources. Something that omitted the index action and view, and set up the redirect_to statements to use object_path without specifying (@object) immediately afterwards. - Jared On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:13 , Tony Spencer wrote: > >> Its been said so many times that scaffold generator is only useful >> for learning how Rails works and maybe for rapid prototyping and I >> certainly agree. But scaffold is one of the big things that really >> excited me when I first discovered Rails. Yes I love everything >> about Rails and agree that the code generated by scaffold is useless, >> especially the views part that iterate over all the columns in the >> table making it impossible to customize the look and feel of an >> individual column. However, it seems to me the manual process of >> writing all your views and often using the same layout for list, >> form, show, new, and edit is very much against the DRY principle. >> Adding some additional functionality to scaffold that would allow for >> custom templates to be written and selected at generation could be >> extremely useful. This enhancement request is exactly what I'm >> getting at: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3109 > > Based on past feedback from the core team about scaffolding, I don't > think this will fly. However, you can actually do this yourself by > creating your own generator. The generator framework is pretty slick, > and you can get a great head-start by copying the built-in > scaffolding generator as a starting place. > > Once you have a generator you like (perhaps even pulling templates > from your suggested app/templates directory), you can package it up > as a gem and release it. Then we could all benefit, too :-) > > HTH, > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > > <:((>< > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From nospam at tonyspencer.com Wed Feb 21 11:22:41 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:22:41 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: <5F6DB610-C909-45EA-966C-CF2C21AA12B4@gmail.com> References:

<0F118B41-7C19-450F-895D-B757673B912B@talbott.ws> <5F6DB610-C909-45EA-966C-CF2C21AA12B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I played with the scaffold_resource generator and RESTful but I just can't buy into it. Delete seems like such a hack to me. On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Jared Haworth wrote: > I use the scaffold_resource generator pretty frequently, to set up my > RESTful CRUD structures. > > If someone wanted to take the time, a really useful generator would > be one for Singleton Resources. Something that omitted the index > action and view, and set up the redirect_to statements to use > object_path without specifying (@object) immediately afterwards. > > - Jared > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > >> On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:13 , Tony Spencer wrote: >> >>> Its been said so many times that scaffold generator is only useful >>> for learning how Rails works and maybe for rapid prototyping and I >>> certainly agree. But scaffold is one of the big things that really >>> excited me when I first discovered Rails. Yes I love everything >>> about Rails and agree that the code generated by scaffold is >>> useless, >>> especially the views part that iterate over all the columns in the >>> table making it impossible to customize the look and feel of an >>> individual column. However, it seems to me the manual process of >>> writing all your views and often using the same layout for list, >>> form, show, new, and edit is very much against the DRY principle. >>> Adding some additional functionality to scaffold that would allow >>> for >>> custom templates to be written and selected at generation could be >>> extremely useful. This enhancement request is exactly what I'm >>> getting at: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3109 >> >> Based on past feedback from the core team about scaffolding, I don't >> think this will fly. However, you can actually do this yourself by >> creating your own generator. The generator framework is pretty slick, >> and you can get a great head-start by copying the built-in >> scaffolding generator as a starting place. >> >> Once you have a generator you like (perhaps even pulling templates >> from your suggested app/templates directory), you can package it up >> as a gem and release it. Then we could all benefit, too :-) >> >> HTH, >> >> >> -- >> Nathaniel Talbott >> >> <:((>< >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From adam at thewilliams.ws Wed Feb 21 15:00:00 2007 From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:00:00 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Wouldn't custom scaffolding be nice? In-Reply-To: References:

<0F118B41-7C19-450F-895D-B757673B912B@talbott.ws> <5F6DB610-C909-45EA-966C-CF2C21AA12B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0026DBAB-8DBD-4E2F-B94D-B9ED298FEB5A@thewilliams.ws> On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Tony Spencer wrote: > I played with the scaffold_resource generator and RESTful but I just > can't buy into it. Delete seems like such a hack to me. I'd be interested in understanding 1. what you are talking about and 2. what do you mean. Only if you have time, though. adam williams From plumcreek at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 12:06:48 2007 From: plumcreek at gmail.com (Daniel Bartholomew) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:06:48 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use Message-ID: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> I'm looking to run a small wiki for personal use at home, and I would prefer to use Ruby or Ruby-on-Rails. I found Instiki (http://instiki.org), but after installing the gem it wouldn't run. Before I spend time trying to troubleshoot why it's not working I thought I would first ask if anyone knew of any others. My main criteria are these: 1. Easy to install 2. Easy to administer 3. Easy to use Anyone know of a something that fits the bill? Thanks. -- Daniel Bartholomew From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 13:46:43 2007 From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:46:43 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you just want the features of a wiki without the server hassle then look at wikidpad. http://www.jhorman.org/wikidPad/ Mark On 2/22/07, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > > I'm looking to run a small wiki for personal use at home, and I would > prefer to use Ruby or Ruby-on-Rails. > > I found Instiki (http://instiki.org), but after installing the gem it > wouldn't run. Before I spend time trying to troubleshoot why it's not > working I thought I would first ask if anyone knew of any others. > > My main criteria are these: > 1. Easy to install > 2. Easy to administer > 3. Easy to use > > Anyone know of a something that fits the bill? > > Thanks. > > -- > Daniel Bartholomew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070222/05c3c132/attachment.html From tj at stank.us Thu Feb 22 14:02:10 2007 From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:02:10 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unless you're really set on installing and hosting a Rails-based wiki, I'd recommend checking out pbwiki.com. You can get a free account there. -TJ On 2/22/07, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > I'm looking to run a small wiki for personal use at home, and I would > prefer to use Ruby or Ruby-on-Rails. > > I found Instiki (http://instiki.org), but after installing the gem it > wouldn't run. Before I spend time trying to troubleshoot why it's not > working I thought I would first ask if anyone knew of any others. > > My main criteria are these: > 1. Easy to install > 2. Easy to administer > 3. Easy to use > > Anyone know of a something that fits the bill? > > Thanks. > > -- > Daniel Bartholomew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From plumcreek at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 14:18:29 2007 From: plumcreek at gmail.com (Daniel Bartholomew) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:18:29 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DDEC85.8030706@gmail.com> Mark Bennett wrote: > If you just want the features of a wiki without the server hassle then > look at wikidpad. > > http://www.jhorman.org/wikidPad/ > That looks interesting, similar to TomBoy on Linux http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy/ If possible though, I would like something based on Ruby, and wikidpad is based on Python (using wxPython). I also run Linux at home and it looks like there are several Linux issues: http://wikidpad.python-hosting.com/wiki/IssuesUnderLinux Anyone know of a similar product based on wxRuby? Thanks! -- Daniel Bartholomew From plumcreek at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 14:52:19 2007 From: plumcreek at gmail.com (Daniel Bartholomew) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:52:19 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DDF473.5070205@gmail.com> TJ Stankus wrote: > Unless you're really set on installing and hosting a Rails-based wiki, > I'd recommend checking out pbwiki.com. You can get a free account > there. > I am pretty set on installing and hosting my own ruby/rails wiki. For the experience and the learning, mostly. I think I will check out pbwiki.com anyway though. From the homepage it looks interesting --- well, I've never seen a wiki liken its ease-of-use to making a peanut butter sandwich before, and that piqued my interest, if nothing else :-) Thanks! -- Daniel Bartholomew From outtenr at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 16:46:49 2007 From: outtenr at gmail.com (Richard Outten) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:46:49 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <905212740702221346i3268535ai577e8fd9b71a967e@mail.gmail.com> I believe the Rails wiki uses I2. It requires a little more work to get installed, but it is a Rails wiki. http://dev.rubyonrails.org/browser/tools/i2/trunk/README If you wanted a wiki written in Ruby (installable as a gem), you might try JuneBugWiki. http://www.junebugwiki.com/ It is written in the Camping[1] framework and uses part of Rails (specifically ActiveRecord). -Richard [1] http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/camping/ On 2/22/07, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > I'm looking to run a small wiki for personal use at home, and I would > prefer to use Ruby or Ruby-on-Rails. > > I found Instiki (http://instiki.org), but after installing the gem it > wouldn't run. Before I spend time trying to troubleshoot why it's not > working I thought I would first ask if anyone knew of any others. > > My main criteria are these: > 1. Easy to install > 2. Easy to administer > 3. Easy to use > > Anyone know of a something that fits the bill? > > Thanks. > > -- > Daniel Bartholomew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From ryan.daigle at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 21:45:33 2007 From: ryan.daigle at gmail.com (Ryan Daigle) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:45:33 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: <905212740702221346i3268535ai577e8fd9b71a967e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> <905212740702221346i3268535ai577e8fd9b71a967e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8FA34B08-85A7-4843-B3FC-60988E883436@gmail.com> Just saw this today: http://wikis.onestepback.org/Ruse -Ryan On Feb 22, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Richard Outten wrote: I believe the Rails wiki uses I2. It requires a little more work to get installed, but it is a Rails wiki. http://dev.rubyonrails.org/browser/tools/i2/trunk/README If you wanted a wiki written in Ruby (installable as a gem), you might try JuneBugWiki. http://www.junebugwiki.com/ It is written in the Camping[1] framework and uses part of Rails (specifically ActiveRecord). -Richard [1] http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/camping/ On 2/22/07, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > I'm looking to run a small wiki for personal use at home, and I would > prefer to use Ruby or Ruby-on-Rails. > > I found Instiki (http://instiki.org), but after installing the gem it > wouldn't run. Before I spend time trying to troubleshoot why it's not > working I thought I would first ask if anyone knew of any others. > > My main criteria are these: > 1. Easy to install > 2. Easy to administer > 3. Easy to use > > Anyone know of a something that fits the bill? > > Thanks. > > -- > Daniel Bartholomew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > _______________________________________________ raleigh-rb-members mailing list raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From lists-jared at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 22 23:53:42 2007 From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared Richardson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:53:42 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B5D011A-685C-47A4-8DCE-DB987273AA01@nc.rr.com> If you want to try a really small portable Wiki, I've heard good things about Tiddlywiki. http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ I've haven't used it much and it's not Rails, but I love the concept. :) It's just HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. You can run in on a USB drive it you wanted to. Jared http://JaredRichardson.net On Feb 22, 2007, at 12:06 PM |Feb/22, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > I'm looking to run a small wiki for personal use at home, and I would > prefer to use Ruby or Ruby-on-Rails. > > I found Instiki (http://instiki.org), but after installing the gem it > wouldn't run. Before I spend time trying to troubleshoot why it's not > working I thought I would first ask if anyone knew of any others. > > My main criteria are these: > 1. Easy to install > 2. Easy to administer > 3. Easy to use > > Anyone know of a something that fits the bill? > > Thanks. > > -- > Daniel Bartholomew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070222/b46875b8/attachment-0001.html From plumcreek at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 07:16:05 2007 From: plumcreek at gmail.com (Daniel Bartholomew) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:16:05 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby/RoR-based Wiki for home use In-Reply-To: <8FA34B08-85A7-4843-B3FC-60988E883436@gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> <905212740702221346i3268535ai577e8fd9b71a967e@mail.gmail.com> <8FA34B08-85A7-4843-B3FC-60988E883436@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DEDB05.70709@gmail.com> Thanks everyone for the suggestions! Now to start evaluating and playing with them. This should be a fun weekend. :-) -- Daniel Bartholomew Ryan Daigle wrote: > Just saw this today: > > http://wikis.onestepback.org/Ruse > > -Ryan > > On Feb 22, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Richard Outten wrote: > > I believe the Rails wiki uses I2. It requires a little more work to > get installed, but it is a Rails wiki. > > http://dev.rubyonrails.org/browser/tools/i2/trunk/README > > If you wanted a wiki written in Ruby (installable as a gem), you might > try JuneBugWiki. > > http://www.junebugwiki.com/ > > It is written in the Camping[1] framework and uses part of Rails > (specifically ActiveRecord). > > -Richard > > [1] http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/camping/ > > From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 13:11:47 2007 From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:11:47 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] defeated whitelist Message-ID: It never occured to me until today that spammers can defeat email white lists by just claiming that the message was sent by the receiver. I guess I need to blacklist myself :-( Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070223/e749c8e1/attachment.html From nospam at tonyspencer.com Fri Feb 23 14:05:19 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:05:19 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Where to place certain code? In-Reply-To: <45DDF473.5070205@gmail.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> <45DDF473.5070205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B7E93B8-74DC-40A0-A103-1E200E17CE71@tonyspencer.com> After seeing this I'm definitely thinking that we are putting too much code in our controllers. http://slash7.com/assets/2007/2/12/layercake.png Actually I've thought for sometime our controller files are way too bulky but coming from Java I'm not sure what the best practice is. Where do you put your helper functions such as validation functions and common tasks (for example: converting currency). I would have thought the prebuilt helper files would be a good place but I guess they aren't accessible by the controller. Tony P.S. - The custom templated scaffold generator is nearly complete. :) I'll make it accessible to all as soon as it is. From nathaniel at talbott.ws Fri Feb 23 17:21:20 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:21:20 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Where to place certain code? In-Reply-To: <0B7E93B8-74DC-40A0-A103-1E200E17CE71@tonyspencer.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> <45DDF473.5070205@gmail.com> <0B7E93B8-74DC-40A0-A103-1E200E17CE71@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2007, at 14:05 , Tony Spencer wrote: > After seeing this I'm definitely thinking that we are putting too > much code in our controllers. > > http://slash7.com/assets/2007/2/12/layercake.png > > Actually I've thought for sometime our controller files are way too > bulky but coming from Java I'm not sure what the best practice is. > Where do you put your helper functions such as validation functions > and common tasks (for example: converting currency). I would have > thought the prebuilt helper files would be a good place but I guess > they aren't accessible by the controller. Have you seen this? http://weblog.jamisbuck.org/2006/10/18/skinny-controller-fat-model My advice? "What he said!" ;-) -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From nospam at tonyspencer.com Sat Feb 24 11:04:19 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:04:19 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Where to place certain code? In-Reply-To: References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> <45DDF473.5070205@gmail.com> <0B7E93B8-74DC-40A0-A103-1E200E17CE71@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: <7A9F7471-F54F-4018-99FC-3F64DD109592@tonyspencer.com> Excellent! Thanks! On Feb 23, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Feb 23, 2007, at 14:05 , Tony Spencer wrote: > >> After seeing this I'm definitely thinking that we are putting too >> much code in our controllers. >> >> http://slash7.com/assets/2007/2/12/layercake.png >> >> Actually I've thought for sometime our controller files are way too >> bulky but coming from Java I'm not sure what the best practice is. >> Where do you put your helper functions such as validation functions >> and common tasks (for example: converting currency). I would have >> thought the prebuilt helper files would be a good place but I guess >> they aren't accessible by the controller. > > Have you seen this? > > http://weblog.jamisbuck.org/2006/10/18/skinny-controller-fat-model > > My advice? "What he said!" ;-) > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > > <:((>< > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From lists-jared at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 25 22:39:48 2007 From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared Richardson) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:39:48 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Captcha question? In-Reply-To: <7A9F7471-F54F-4018-99FC-3F64DD109592@tonyspencer.com> References: <45DDCDA8.3050201@gmail.com> <45DDF473.5070205@gmail.com> <0B7E93B8-74DC-40A0-A103-1E200E17CE71@tonyspencer.com> <7A9F7471-F54F-4018-99FC-3F64DD109592@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: Hi all, At least a few people here have used the Captcha package from http:// svn.2750flesk.com/plugins/trunk/validates_captcha, so I thought I'd ask if anyone had seen this issue. A co-worker/client of mine is encountering this message on a product RH box. ActionView::TemplateError (unable to read font `/usr/share/fonts/ default/Type1/n019004l.pfb') on line #188 of app/views/registration/ agent.rhtml: 185:

186: <% c = prepare_captcha -%> 187: <%= captcha_hidden_field c, 'form' %> 188: < %= captcha_image_tag c %> 189:

<%= captcha_label 'form', 'Type in the text from the image' %>
190: <%= captcha_text_field 'form' %> 191:

I found him a potential work around here that he'll try tomorrow http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/HowtoSecureFormsWithNoisyImages He's still working on it, but I thought this was a good place to check. :) Jared http://JaredRichardson.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070225/d9a6a66d/attachment.html From nathaniel at talbott.ws Mon Feb 26 22:18:15 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:18:15 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Study Group Message-ID: <92ABB3DC-0E6C-43B2-A4C0-932BB59F3359@talbott.ws> [I'm passing this on for Paul, since we're having difficulties getting his emails on to the list.] Folks, It has finally been decided how the Ruby study group will work. Date: First Thursday of the Month (March 1, 2007 next meeting) Time: 6pm Place: Ruby Hack Night: Panera Bread 7840 Alexander Promenade Place (near intersection of 540 and 70) Raleigh, NC 27617 919-293-0900 Agenda: We will meet at Panera Bread around 6pm. I will have a quiz or picked out from RubyQuiz.com. We will then split up into pairs or sow and work on the quiz. I hope this works for people; I think it is a good way to learn Ruby without being real formal. See you Thursday. If any one has a suggestion for a good beginners quiz, I would be open to that. Paul Kristoff 214-598-9610 PKristoff at acm.org www.PaulKristoff.com From larry.karnowski at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 10:23:55 2007 From: larry.karnowski at gmail.com (Larry Karnowski) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:23:55 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT: Email-only hosting? Message-ID: <2b27183e0702270723l76f3e6c8p6c3622ad977e1dd9@mail.gmail.com> All, I've been happily hosting email for my ten authors of HickoryWind.org using the Gmail Beta for Google Apps. However, as you've probably heard, Google Apps is no longer free. They want to charge me $50/email account per year, so at 10 users and 2 mailing lists, they want $600/year. Well, my little hobby blog can't afford that. I could just run my own email server on my Slicehost VPS, but to be honest, I'm not a mail admin. I'd rather pay someone a little bit to handle the spam, blacklisting fixes, etc. Also, I'd like for there to be a better webmail interface than SquirrelMail, which seems to be the only open source option readily available at most places. Any suggestions? Thanks, Larry P.S. I'll probably just end up at Dreamhost for $9/month. At least I'll get a buttload of disk space built into the price, but I'm hoping for something better. From larry.karnowski at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 10:37:08 2007 From: larry.karnowski at gmail.com (Larry Karnowski) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:37:08 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT: Email-only hosting? In-Reply-To: <2b27183e0702270723l76f3e6c8p6c3622ad977e1dd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b27183e0702270723l76f3e6c8p6c3622ad977e1dd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b27183e0702270737g15732fd8k9b6a76d7741f3180@mail.gmail.com> Oops, okay, nevermind! I was very confused by the Google Apps account page. It looked very much like I had to "upgrade" to Premium by the end of April. However, it's just urging me to upgrade to Premium. The "Standard" service that I have now is free indefinitely it appears. The standard has 2G per user, up to 25 users, and unlimited (?) email lists, all for free. That's perfect for my needs. The premium gives you a few more features, 10G per user, guaranteed uptime, and your user limit is only held back by your wallet. Sorry for the false alarm. The darn account page was very misleading! Larry On 2/27/07, Larry Karnowski wrote: > All, > I've been happily hosting email for my ten authors of HickoryWind.org > using the Gmail Beta for Google Apps. However, as you've probably > heard, Google Apps is no longer free. They want to charge me > $50/email account per year, so at 10 users and 2 mailing lists, they > want $600/year. Well, my little hobby blog can't afford that. > > I could just run my own email server on my Slicehost VPS, but to be > honest, I'm not a mail admin. I'd rather pay someone a little bit to > handle the spam, blacklisting fixes, etc. Also, I'd like for there to > be a better webmail interface than SquirrelMail, which seems to be the > only open source option readily available at most places. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Larry > > P.S. I'll probably just end up at Dreamhost for $9/month. At least > I'll get a buttload of disk space built into the price, but I'm hoping > for something better. > From nospam at tonyspencer.com Tue Feb 27 11:52:23 2007 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:52:23 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Breakpointer no longer working after Rails upgrade Message-ID: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> Has anyone else had a problem with breakpointer failing after upgrading to the latest version of Rails? I get the following error when running ./script/breakpointer /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in `getaddrinfo': getaddrinfo: No address associated with nodename (SocketError) from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in `open_server_inaddr_any' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:860:in `open_server' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:756:in `open_server' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:754:in `open_server' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1336:in `initialize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1624:in `start_service' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ breakpoint_client.rb:146 from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ breakpoint_client.rb:145 from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ custom_require.rb:27:in `require' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ commands/breakpointer.rb:1 from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ custom_require.rb:27:in `require' from script/breakpointer:3 I'm on ruby 1.8.4 on an Intel Mac and it was working before. ARRRGGH! From tj at stank.us Tue Feb 27 12:04:06 2007 From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:04:06 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT: Email-only hosting? In-Reply-To: <2b27183e0702270737g15732fd8k9b6a76d7741f3180@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b27183e0702270723l76f3e6c8p6c3622ad977e1dd9@mail.gmail.com> <2b27183e0702270737g15732fd8k9b6a76d7741f3180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually the free version got better with the introduction of docs and spreadsheets. I'm running a handful of domains' email through Google now and haven't had a single problem, which is a nice change from formerly running mail through my VPS host. -TJ On 2/27/07, Larry Karnowski wrote: > Oops, okay, nevermind! I was very confused by the Google Apps account > page. It looked very much like I had to "upgrade" to Premium by the > end of April. However, it's just urging me to upgrade to Premium. > The "Standard" service that I have now is free indefinitely it > appears. > > The standard has 2G per user, up to 25 users, and unlimited (?) email > lists, all for free. That's perfect for my needs. The premium gives > you a few more features, 10G per user, guaranteed uptime, and your > user limit is only held back by your wallet. > > Sorry for the false alarm. The darn account page was very misleading! > Larry > > On 2/27/07, Larry Karnowski wrote: > > All, > > I've been happily hosting email for my ten authors of HickoryWind.org > > using the Gmail Beta for Google Apps. However, as you've probably > > heard, Google Apps is no longer free. They want to charge me > > $50/email account per year, so at 10 users and 2 mailing lists, they > > want $600/year. Well, my little hobby blog can't afford that. > > > > I could just run my own email server on my Slicehost VPS, but to be > > honest, I'm not a mail admin. I'd rather pay someone a little bit to > > handle the spam, blacklisting fixes, etc. Also, I'd like for there to > > be a better webmail interface than SquirrelMail, which seems to be the > > only open source option readily available at most places. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Larry > > > > P.S. I'll probably just end up at Dreamhost for $9/month. At least > > I'll get a buttload of disk space built into the price, but I'm hoping > > for something better. > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From pelargir at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 12:27:44 2007 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:27:44 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Breakpointer no longer working after Rails upgrade In-Reply-To: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> References: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: I had this issue after upgrading to Ruby 1.8.5, but I've never experienced it with a particular version of Rails. Have you tried dropping back to Rails 1.2.1? I've had several issues crop up with 1.2.2 since I upgraded so maybe that would solve it for you. Matthew On 2/27/07, Tony Spencer wrote: > > Has anyone else had a problem with breakpointer failing after > upgrading to the latest version of Rails? > > I get the following error when running ./script/breakpointer > > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in `getaddrinfo': getaddrinfo: > No address associated with nodename (SocketError) > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in > `open_server_inaddr_any' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:860:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:756:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:754:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1336:in `initialize' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1624:in `start_service' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > breakpoint_client.rb:146 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > breakpoint_client.rb:145 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:27:in `require' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > commands/breakpointer.rb:1 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:27:in `require' > from script/breakpointer:3 > > I'm on ruby 1.8.4 on an Intel Mac and it was working before. ARRRGGH! > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/raleigh-rb-members/attachments/20070227/ac644a21/attachment.html From nathaniel at talbott.ws Tue Feb 27 12:45:58 2007 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:45:58 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Breakpointer no longer working after Rails upgrade In-Reply-To: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> References: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:52 , Tony Spencer wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with breakpointer failing after > upgrading to the latest version of Rails? Does this fix it? http://practicalruby.blogspot.com/2006/06/fix-for-breakpointer.html -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From tj at stank.us Tue Feb 27 13:39:48 2007 From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:39:48 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Breakpointer no longer working after Rails upgrade In-Reply-To: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> References: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: This may be why: http://www.infoq.com/news/ruby-1.8.5-released -TJ On 2/27/07, Tony Spencer wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with breakpointer failing after > upgrading to the latest version of Rails? > > I get the following error when running ./script/breakpointer > > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in `getaddrinfo': getaddrinfo: > No address associated with nodename (SocketError) > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in > `open_server_inaddr_any' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:860:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:756:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:754:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1336:in `initialize' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1624:in `start_service' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > breakpoint_client.rb:146 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > breakpoint_client.rb:145 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:27:in `require' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > commands/breakpointer.rb:1 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:27:in `require' > from script/breakpointer:3 > > I'm on ruby 1.8.4 on an Intel Mac and it was working before. ARRRGGH! > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From adam at thewilliams.ws Tue Feb 27 19:04:34 2007 From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:04:34 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Breakpointer no longer working after Rails upgrade In-Reply-To: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> References: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: <2076BDB2-136B-494D-8CE7-DE2FE8CD4BED@thewilliams.ws> Oh man. Now's the time to move to ruby-debug. sudo gem install ruby-debug in environment.rb, at the bottom, or wherever you think is good: require 'ruby-debug' Debugger.start then, where you'd use breakpointer debugger You can do all kinds of wonderful things with this. adam williams On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Tony Spencer wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with breakpointer failing after > upgrading to the latest version of Rails? > > I get the following error when running ./script/breakpointer > > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in `getaddrinfo': getaddrinfo: > No address associated with nodename (SocketError) > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in > `open_server_inaddr_any' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:860:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:756:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:754:in `open_server' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1336:in `initialize' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1624:in > `start_service' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > breakpoint_client.rb:146 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > breakpoint_client.rb:145 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:27:in `require' > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ > commands/breakpointer.rb:1 > from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:27:in `require' > from script/breakpointer:3 > > I'm on ruby 1.8.4 on an Intel Mac and it was working before. ARRRGGH! > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From geoff at geoffdavis.net Tue Feb 27 19:35:40 2007 From: geoff at geoffdavis.net (Geoff Davis) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:35:40 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Breakpointer no longer working after Rails upgrade In-Reply-To: <2076BDB2-136B-494D-8CE7-DE2FE8CD4BED@thewilliams.ws> References: <9A768981-9C8B-40CD-9D0D-A7C8A74FD093@tonyspencer.com> <2076BDB2-136B-494D-8CE7-DE2FE8CD4BED@thewilliams.ws> Message-ID: <21F666F6-1A96-4E0E-A29E-A0715C13224C@geoffdavis.net> What Adam said! ruby-debug rules! I typically put the require 'ruby-debug' and Debugger.start statements in config/environments/development.rb file so I don't accidently deploy with that stuff on. Added bonus: development is fairly active, and the latest versions of ruby-debug have cut the overhead of the debugger way down - it's quite peppy these days. On Feb 27, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Adam Williams wrote: > Oh man. Now's the time to move to ruby-debug. > > sudo gem install ruby-debug > > in environment.rb, at the bottom, or wherever you think is good: > require 'ruby-debug' > Debugger.start > > then, where you'd use breakpointer > debugger > > You can do all kinds of wonderful things with this. > > adam williams > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Tony Spencer wrote: > >> Has anyone else had a problem with breakpointer failing after >> upgrading to the latest version of Rails? >> >> I get the following error when running ./script/breakpointer >> >> /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in `getaddrinfo': getaddrinfo: >> No address associated with nodename (SocketError) >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:837:in >> `open_server_inaddr_any' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:860:in `open_server' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:756:in `open_server' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:754:in `open_server' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1336:in `initialize' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/drb/drb.rb:1624:in >> `start_service' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ >> breakpoint_client.rb:146 >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ >> breakpoint_client.rb:145 >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ >> custom_require.rb:27:in `require' >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.2.2/lib/ >> commands/breakpointer.rb:1 >> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ >> custom_require.rb:27:in `require' >> from script/breakpointer:3 >> >> I'm on ruby 1.8.4 on an Intel Mac and it was working before. >> ARRRGGH! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From larry.karnowski at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 20:48:47 2007 From: larry.karnowski at gmail.com (Larry Karnowski) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:48:47 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT: Email-only hosting? In-Reply-To: References: <2b27183e0702270723l76f3e6c8p6c3622ad977e1dd9@mail.gmail.com> <2b27183e0702270737g15732fd8k9b6a76d7741f3180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b27183e0702271748u5eee84calbedbda3011068502@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, besides a little confusion at the accounts screen where I thought I had to upgrade, I've had an amazingly good experience for the past six months. On 2/27/07, TJ Stankus wrote: > Actually the free version got better with the introduction of docs and > spreadsheets. I'm running a handful of domains' email through Google > now and haven't had a single problem, which is a nice change from > formerly running mail through my VPS host. > > -TJ > > On 2/27/07, Larry Karnowski wrote: > > Oops, okay, nevermind! I was very confused by the Google Apps account > > page. It looked very much like I had to "upgrade" to Premium by the > > end of April. However, it's just urging me to upgrade to Premium. > > The "Standard" service that I have now is free indefinitely it > > appears. > > > > The standard has 2G per user, up to 25 users, and unlimited (?) email > > lists, all for free. That's perfect for my needs. The premium gives > > you a few more features, 10G per user, guaranteed uptime, and your > > user limit is only held back by your wallet. > > > > Sorry for the false alarm. The darn account page was very misleading! > > Larry > > > > On 2/27/07, Larry Karnowski wrote: > > > All, > > > I've been happily hosting email for my ten authors of HickoryWind.org > > > using the Gmail Beta for Google Apps. However, as you've probably > > > heard, Google Apps is no longer free. They want to charge me > > > $50/email account per year, so at 10 users and 2 mailing lists, they > > > want $600/year. Well, my little hobby blog can't afford that. > > > > > > I could just run my own email server on my Slicehost VPS, but to be > > > honest, I'm not a mail admin. I'd rather pay someone a little bit to > > > handle the spam, blacklisting fixes, etc. Also, I'd like for there to > > > be a better webmail interface than SquirrelMail, which seems to be the > > > only open source option readily available at most places. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Larry > > > > > > P.S. I'll probably just end up at Dreamhost for $9/month. At least > > > I'll get a buttload of disk space built into the price, but I'm hoping > > > for something better. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >