From clarkware at gmail.com  Fri Feb  1 13:08:19 2008
From: clarkware at gmail.com (Mike Clark)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:08:19 -0700
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Any ruby/rails class recently?
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Howdy,

Nathaniel let me know that there's interest in professional Ruby and  
Rails training in the Raleigh area.  We (The Pragmatic Studio) would  
love to put on a course there if enough folks want it.  In general, we  
need a minimum of 30 students to make it feasible with two instructors.

We have a number of courses based on varying skill levels:

   http://pragmaticstudio.com/

It's important to us that we bring the right course(s) to Raleigh.  I  
know a lot of you folks have a ton of experience and others may just  
be getting started.

If you wouldn't mind, it would really help us if you'd reply to me  
offline listing the courses you'd seriously consider attending in  
Raleigh.

Many thanks!

Mike

From rhooker at cisco.com  Wed Feb  6 13:18:32 2008
From: rhooker at cisco.com (Raymond Hooker (rhooker))
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:18:32 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] RJS Update of collection_select
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I have one collection_select box which I am using an observe_field to
generate page updates.  I am able to replace a div and to replace the
flash notice.  What I am having trouble updating is another select box
generated by a collection_select.  Is there a special formula for doing
this?  I tried putting an ID using a <p> tag:
<p id="server_select">
<%= collection_select("server", "id", @servers, "id", "server_name")
%></p>

In my rjs file I put:
page.replace_html :server_select, :object => @servers

It replaces the item but with null, even though @servers exists.

Hints?

Ray

From rhooker at cisco.com  Wed Feb  6 13:44:21 2008
From: rhooker at cisco.com (Raymond Hooker (rhooker))
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:44:21 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] RJS Update of collection_select
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Duh.. tried the same call that created the box and it worked:

page.replace_html :server_select, collection_select("server", "id",
@servers, "id", "server_name") 

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Raymond
Hooker (rhooker)
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:19 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: [raleigh.rb] RJS Update of collection_select

 
I have one collection_select box which I am using an observe_field to
generate page updates.  I am able to replace a div and to replace the
flash notice.  What I am having trouble updating is another select box
generated by a collection_select.  Is there a special formula for doing
this?  I tried putting an ID using a <p> tag:
<p id="server_select">
<%= collection_select("server", "id", @servers, "id", "server_name")
%></p>

In my rjs file I put:
page.replace_html :server_select, :object => @servers

It replaces the item but with null, even though @servers exists.

Hints?

Ray
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From Guus.Bosman at raritan.com  Thu Feb  7 17:26:19 2008
From: Guus.Bosman at raritan.com (Guus Bosman)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:26:19 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby on Rails/usability engineer opening in Raleigh
Message-ID: <9C329342B62B87498B92834DEC9FF51E02106109@fig.raritan.com>

Hi,

We're looking for Ruby on Rails developer to join our team in Raleigh
developing a new management appliance. 

- Primary responsibility: implementation of the appliance user interface
(Ruby on Rails, Ajax, integration with backend processes)
- Experience with Ruby on Rails would be great. Alternative: a strong
background in JSP/servlets with a passion to learn Rails
- We're looking for someone with a strong sense for usability and web
user interface design; someone who will be the usability advocate in the
product team
- Past experience with J2EE a big plus since the back-end is written in
Java
- Looking for someone who is eager to learn and keeps up-to-date with
new technology

We're Raritan, and we're located on Jones Franklin Road in Raleigh
(http://www.raritan.com). This development team consists of 4 developers
and is expected to grow later this year.

If you're interested or would like more detailed information, please
e-mail me at guus.bosman at raritan.com.

Best regards,
Guus

From pelargir at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 21:22:55 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:22:55 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Introducing the raleigh.rb podcast
Message-ID: <c2eae3390802091822n4a0f766eod4e2a5a6ad8f2bd7@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks, an idea that's been percolating for the past few weeks has come
to fruition. I'm excited to announce the debut of the raleigh.rb podcast!
Our inaugural episode is last month's meetup talk about Amazon Web Services
given by Mike Culver.
Subscribe to the podcast at:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/raleighrb


Future episodes will include more audio from meetups and maybe a few other
surprises too.


Enjoy,

Matthew
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From brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 21:46:05 2008
From: brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com (brenton leanhardt)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:46:05 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Introducing the raleigh.rb podcast
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+1!

On Feb 9, 2008 9:22 PM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks, an idea that's been percolating for the past few weeks has come
> to fruition. I'm excited to announce the debut of the raleigh.rb podcast!
> Our inaugural episode is last month's meetup talk about Amazon Web Services
> given by Mike Culver.
>
> Subscribe to the podcast at:
>
>
>
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/raleighrb
>
>
>
>
> Future episodes will include more audio from meetups and maybe a few other
> surprises too.
>
>
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 22:28:48 2008
From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:28:48 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Introducing the raleigh.rb podcast
In-Reply-To: <7c0835400802091846j79dc100rf4b1eeab84e1d700@mail.gmail.com>
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Awesome, just in time.  I'm heading out of town next week and will have to
miss the next meeting.  I was hoping to hear what Rob had to share.  Now I
can!

Mark

On Feb 9, 2008 9:46 PM, brenton leanhardt <brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1!
>
> On Feb 9, 2008 9:22 PM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey folks, an idea that's been percolating for the past few weeks has
> come
> > to fruition. I'm excited to announce the debut of the raleigh.rbpodcast!
> > Our inaugural episode is last month's meetup talk about Amazon Web
> Services
> > given by Mike Culver.
> >
> > Subscribe to the podcast at:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://feeds.feedburner.com/raleighrb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Future episodes will include more audio from meetups and maybe a few
> other
> > surprises too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > Matthew
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Mon Feb 11 09:43:26 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:43:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Reminder: Lightning Talks
Message-ID: <4ce336a20802110643j19a10dadwffcce5215d06b60a@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that we're going to be doing lightning talks next
month at Raleigh.rb - have you worked on yours?

Also, a quick clarification: there is *no* sign up. I'm confident that
we have the critical mass necessary to fill up an evening with
lightning talks, so the night of the talks we'll just pass around a
piece of paper and everyone who wants to talk will write their talk
title and duration down on it. I'll then sort the list by duration
(shortest first), and we'll just run with it. Ruby *is* a dynamic
language, after all :-)

Can't wait!


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From mikehale at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 11:32:59 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:32:59 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Introducing the raleigh.rb podcast
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802091822n4a0f766eod4e2a5a6ad8f2bd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802091822n4a0f766eod4e2a5a6ad8f2bd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b7455190802110832v34e0390fr98bd411fcfdb81ee@mail.gmail.com>

Sweet!

On Feb 9, 2008 9:22 PM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks, an idea that's been percolating for the past few weeks has come
> to fruition. I'm excited to announce the debut of the raleigh.rb podcast!
> Our inaugural episode is last month's meetup talk about Amazon Web Services
> given by Mike Culver.
>
> Subscribe to the podcast at:
>
>
>
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/raleighrb
>
>
>
>
> Future episodes will include more audio from meetups and maybe a few other
> surprises too.
>
>
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
=================
Michael Hale
mikehale at gmail.com
m: 919.961.7171
jabber: mikehale at gmail.com
------------------------------

From rsanheim at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 12:53:49 2008
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:53:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
Message-ID: <fc113d400802110953q498292eld54391575b7d90fa@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have any recommendations for late night (9pm +) hacking
spots?  I'm in Chapel Hill, but don't mind driving for a nice coffee
shop that stays open late.  So far the best I've found are some
Caribou locations that stay open till midnight.  B&N and Borders are
open till 11, but don't have free wifi and it can also be hard to find
power.

I'm looking for a nice, fairly quiet spot with wifi and power access.
Coffeeshops, restaurants, and bars are all fine, if they have some
source of caffeine and stay open late.

- Rob

http://robsanheim.com
http://thinkrelevance.com

From curtis.duhn at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 13:34:08 2008
From: curtis.duhn at gmail.com (Curtis Duhn)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:34:08 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <fc113d400802110953q498292eld54391575b7d90fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc113d400802110953q498292eld54391575b7d90fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e320180802111034u1af9e902ne5f7e6a10bccb9cb@mail.gmail.com>

Great question.  I've done all-nighters at Honey's in Durham before.  It's
open 24 hours and has wifi with power next to one table that I know of.  I
wouldn't call it a very comfortable environment for coding though when the
bars close.

I'd love to hear about other options.

Curtis

On Feb 11, 2008 12:53 PM, Rob Sanheim <rsanheim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations for late night (9pm +) hacking
> spots?  I'm in Chapel Hill, but don't mind driving for a nice coffee
> shop that stays open late.  So far the best I've found are some
> Caribou locations that stay open till midnight.  B&N and Borders are
> open till 11, but don't have free wifi and it can also be hard to find
> power.
>
> I'm looking for a nice, fairly quiet spot with wifi and power access.
> Coffeeshops, restaurants, and bars are all fine, if they have some
> source of caffeine and stay open late.
>
> - Rob
>
> http://robsanheim.com
> http://thinkrelevance.com
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Curtis Duhn
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From rafeco at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 13:42:56 2008
From: rafeco at gmail.com (Rafe Colburn)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:42:56 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <3e320180802111034u1af9e902ne5f7e6a10bccb9cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc113d400802110953q498292eld54391575b7d90fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e320180802111034u1af9e902ne5f7e6a10bccb9cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d93b198b0802111042v6ee54975j23cad20c2fd0b61e@mail.gmail.com>

 This is a great email thread. I'm eager to see other people's thoughts.

 Helios on Glenwood south in Raleigh is open til midnight every day
but Sunday and has free Wifi.

 I imagine it's a pretty good place to work most nights, although
perhaps not on weekends.

 --Rafe

On Feb 11, 2008 1:34 PM, Curtis Duhn <curtis.duhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great question.  I've done all-nighters at Honey's in Durham before.  It's
> open 24 hours and has wifi with power next to one table that I know of.  I
> wouldn't call it a very comfortable environment for coding though when the
> bars close.
>
> I'd love to hear about other options.
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2008 12:53 PM, Rob Sanheim <rsanheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone have any recommendations for late night (9pm +) hacking
> > spots?  I'm in Chapel Hill, but don't mind driving for a nice coffee
> > shop that stays open late.  So far the best I've found are some
> > Caribou locations that stay open till midnight.  B&N and Borders are
> > open till 11, but don't have free wifi and it can also be hard to find
> > power.
> >
> > I'm looking for a nice, fairly quiet spot with wifi and power access.
> > Coffeeshops, restaurants, and bars are all fine, if they have some
> > source of caffeine and stay open late.

From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 23:07:54 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:07:54 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <fc113d400802110953q498292eld54391575b7d90fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc113d400802110953q498292eld54391575b7d90fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8030AAC5-01B6-4C01-8C0B-5DD1D9B9C55D@gmail.com>

I guess this was announced at just the right time:

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/att-bumps-out-t.html

Spoiler: Free AT&T Wifi will be offered at some Starbucks starting  
this Spring.

On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Rob Sanheim wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations for late night (9pm +) hacking
> spots?  I'm in Chapel Hill, but don't mind driving for a nice coffee
> shop that stays open late.  So far the best I've found are some
> Caribou locations that stay open till midnight.  B&N and Borders are
> open till 11, but don't have free wifi and it can also be hard to find
> power.
>
> I'm looking for a nice, fairly quiet spot with wifi and power access.
> Coffeeshops, restaurants, and bars are all fine, if they have some
> source of caffeine and stay open late.
>
> - Rob
>
> http://robsanheim.com
> http://thinkrelevance.com
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From lon at speedymac.com  Mon Feb 11 23:44:39 2008
From: lon at speedymac.com (Lon Baker)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:44:39 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1202791370.11700.raleigh-rb-members@rubyforge.org>
References: <mailman.8.1202791370.11700.raleigh-rb-members@rubyforge.org>
Message-ID: <7ce1d32f0802112044m1a4273efrf02189d79e9701b1@mail.gmail.com>

Helios is nice in Glennwood South.

Up Glennwood Ave, at Five Points, is The Third Street coffee shop
which is open until midnight, plus they have an amazing pizza place
next door named Lilly's.

Bookstores are good choices, though most are only open till 11 PM.

I am partial to Starbucks and Panera Bread (free wifi) myself, though
they are not open as late.

The best Starbucks is on Highway 54 in the Southpoint area. Its
spacious and quiet.

--
Lon

Doing more with less.
http://speedymac.com
http://macurls.com

From list-phi at moonshark.com  Tue Feb 12 09:27:32 2008
From: list-phi at moonshark.com (Phi Sanders)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:27:32 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <7ce1d32f0802112044m1a4273efrf02189d79e9701b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.8.1202791370.11700.raleigh-rb-members@rubyforge.org>
	<7ce1d32f0802112044m1a4273efrf02189d79e9701b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D387892-F2CE-4D9F-BB56-CD0102EADBD5@moonshark.com>

Denny's restaurants offer free wifi, coffee, and are open 24 hours.   
I've planned road trips around them before, as a sure place for coffee  
and wifi.

Unfortunately, the only one in the triangle is in Raleigh near six  
forks and wake forest.

~Phi


On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Lon Baker wrote:

> Helios is nice in Glennwood South.
>
> Up Glennwood Ave, at Five Points, is The Third Street coffee shop
> which is open until midnight, plus they have an amazing pizza place
> next door named Lilly's.
>
> Bookstores are good choices, though most are only open till 11 PM.
>
> I am partial to Starbucks and Panera Bread (free wifi) myself, though
> they are not open as late.
>
> The best Starbucks is on Highway 54 in the Southpoint area. Its
> spacious and quiet.
>
> --
> Lon
>
> Doing more with less.
> http://speedymac.com
> http://macurls.com
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From fmedlin at gmail.com  Tue Feb 12 09:46:07 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:46:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <7D387892-F2CE-4D9F-BB56-CD0102EADBD5@moonshark.com>
References: <mailman.8.1202791370.11700.raleigh-rb-members@rubyforge.org>
	<7ce1d32f0802112044m1a4273efrf02189d79e9701b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D387892-F2CE-4D9F-BB56-CD0102EADBD5@moonshark.com>
Message-ID: <579ca95c0802120646x205de46ag386211394127b570@mail.gmail.com>

ugh, and right in front of the Wake Forest road widening project at that.

On Feb 12, 2008 9:27 AM, Phi Sanders <list-phi at moonshark.com> wrote:

> Denny's restaurants offer free wifi, coffee, and are open 24 hours.
> I've planned road trips around them before, as a sure place for coffee
> and wifi.
>
> Unfortunately, the only one in the triangle is in Raleigh near six
> forks and wake forest.
>
> ~Phi
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Lon Baker wrote:
>
> > Helios is nice in Glennwood South.
> >
> > Up Glennwood Ave, at Five Points, is The Third Street coffee shop
> > which is open until midnight, plus they have an amazing pizza place
> > next door named Lilly's.
> >
> > Bookstores are good choices, though most are only open till 11 PM.
> >
> > I am partial to Starbucks and Panera Bread (free wifi) myself, though
> > they are not open as late.
> >
> > The best Starbucks is on Highway 54 in the Southpoint area. Its
> > spacious and quiet.
> >
> > --
> > Lon
> >
> > Doing more with less.
> > http://speedymac.com
> > http://macurls.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From fatcatt316 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 12 09:47:50 2008
From: fatcatt316 at yahoo.com (Joe Peck)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:47:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [raleigh.rb] late night hacking spots?
In-Reply-To: <7D387892-F2CE-4D9F-BB56-CD0102EADBD5@moonshark.com>
Message-ID: <61403.24625.qm@web61222.mail.yahoo.com>

If you're an NC State student, the campus computer labs are great; open all night, free wifi and power, and the support of exhausted CS students.  Centennial has some of the best labs.

Joe

Phi Sanders <list-phi at moonshark.com> wrote: Denny's restaurants offer free wifi, coffee, and are open 24 hours.   
I've planned road trips around them before, as a sure place for coffee  
and wifi.

Unfortunately, the only one in the triangle is in Raleigh near six  
forks and wake forest.

~Phi


On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Lon Baker wrote:

> Helios is nice in Glennwood South.
>
> Up Glennwood Ave, at Five Points, is The Third Street coffee shop
> which is open until midnight, plus they have an amazing pizza place
> next door named Lilly's.
>
> Bookstores are good choices, though most are only open till 11 PM.
>
> I am partial to Starbucks and Panera Bread (free wifi) myself, though
> they are not open as late.
>
> The best Starbucks is on Highway 54 in the Southpoint area. Its
> spacious and quiet.
>
> --
> Lon
>
> Doing more with less.
> http://speedymac.com
> http://macurls.com
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From wesleyzhang2005 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 08:38:20 2008
From: wesleyzhang2005 at gmail.com (Wesley Zhang)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:38:20 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] params in rails controller
Message-ID: <be24dd650802130538l488568b8x235ed757c13675f7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am trying to figure out what is the "params" in rails controller. It
doesn't look like a variable, certainly not a class instance variable or a
global variable. Most likely it is a method, isn't it?

Thanks,

--\\Wesley
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From rhooker at cisco.com  Wed Feb 13 08:42:45 2008
From: rhooker at cisco.com (Raymond Hooker (rhooker))
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:42:45 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] params in rails controller
In-Reply-To: <be24dd650802130538l488568b8x235ed757c13675f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be24dd650802130538l488568b8x235ed757c13675f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <848DB51F3E58E146B08D188F803DCB6F05EFF8C6@xmb-rtp-20c.amer.cisco.com>

Wesley,  You can give me a call.  I can explain it further.  Basically
it is a hash of the values being passed to and from the web session.
The values are keyed.  You can insert a "puts params.inspect" to see its
structure.
 
Ray

________________________________

From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Wesley
Zhang
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:38 AM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: [raleigh.rb] params in rails controller


Hi All,

I am trying to figure out what is the "params" in rails controller. It
doesn't look like a variable, certainly not a class instance variable or
a global variable. Most likely it is a method, isn't it?

Thanks, 

--\\Wesley 
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 09:22:30 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:22:30 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] params in rails controller
In-Reply-To: <be24dd650802130538l488568b8x235ed757c13675f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be24dd650802130538l488568b8x235ed757c13675f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0802130622l25becbe5r481d914ce2b869e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/13/08, Wesley Zhang <wesleyzhang2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to figure out what is the "params" in rails controller. It
> doesn't look like a variable, certainly not a class instance variable or a
> global variable. Most likely it is a method, isn't it?

Yes, it's an instance method of both ActionController::Base, and
ActionView::Base.

More specifically it's a special form of accessor method used by Rails
called an internal accessor which uses an instance variable named
@_params instead of @params


-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Thu Feb 14 14:51:17 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:51:17 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Webistrano
Message-ID: <69215705-44C3-4023-9610-2FE92D10BB9E@tonyspencer.com>

Is anyone using this/has tried it and care to comment on it? Looks  
pretty nice but don't want to invest the cycles trying it out if its  
crap.  :)

http://labs.peritor.com/webistrano

From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Mon Feb 18 11:31:30 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:31:30 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20801141111i566ae7dbmfd67635ebe6cc3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20801141111i566ae7dbmfd67635ebe6cc3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ce336a20802180831t6b4c3ecay9dd62e747587b904@mail.gmail.com>

As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30
tomorrow night at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab
dinner and some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the
meeting.

While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.

Looking forward to it,


--
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From randomutterings at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 16:52:41 2008
From: randomutterings at gmail.com (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:52:41 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] 24" Imac for sale
Message-ID: <52c57d810802181352m429f8120qcbd0c355a4df6580@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 24" Imac for sale, only 3 months old if anyone is interested.  Its
listed on ebay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270213081352&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

If anyone is interested, you're welcome to come look at it.  I'm about 45
minutes east of Raleigh, down 64 to Rocky Mount.

$1600
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From larry.karnowski at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 08:46:27 2008
From: larry.karnowski at gmail.com (Larry Karnowski)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:46:27 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20802180831t6b4c3ecay9dd62e747587b904@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20801141111i566ae7dbmfd67635ebe6cc3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20802180831t6b4c3ecay9dd62e747587b904@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b27183e0802190546l6dcf4a8es278c73f7e2b827fc@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in!

On Feb 18, 2008 11:31 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:
>
> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30
> tomorrow night at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab
> dinner and some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the
> meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
> with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> Looking forward to it,
>
>
> --
> Nathaniel Talbott
> <:((><
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From list-phi at moonshark.com  Tue Feb 19 10:19:42 2008
From: list-phi at moonshark.com (Phi Sanders)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:19:42 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <2b27183e0802190546l6dcf4a8es278c73f7e2b827fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20801141111i566ae7dbmfd67635ebe6cc3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20802180831t6b4c3ecay9dd62e747587b904@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b27183e0802190546l6dcf4a8es278c73f7e2b827fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09FA8A63-3707-4473-A2AF-811D8AB311FB@moonshark.com>

I should be able to make it

~Phi

On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Larry Karnowski wrote:

> I'm in!
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 11:31 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws>  
> wrote:
>>
>> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30
>> tomorrow night at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab
>> dinner and some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the
>> meeting.
>>
>> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
>> with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>>
>> Looking forward to it,
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nathaniel Talbott
>> <:((><
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From steve at iannopollo.com  Tue Feb 19 21:56:11 2008
From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:56:11 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Speaking of productivity
Message-ID: <F67847F4-1036-44C8-80ED-65F4265A1855@iannopollo.com>

Just thought I would share some of my bash aliases since I have found  
some of them indispensable, and would love to hear of other time- 
saving strategies/tricks people use:

http://siannopollo.blogspot.com/2007/11/bash-aliases.html

Enjoy!

-Steve Iannopollo

From adam at thewilliams.ws  Tue Feb 19 22:20:17 2008
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:20:17 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Speaking of productivity
In-Reply-To: <F67847F4-1036-44C8-80ED-65F4265A1855@iannopollo.com>
References: <F67847F4-1036-44C8-80ED-65F4265A1855@iannopollo.com>
Message-ID: <5521793F-4F71-43AD-A7DE-2EA2DFBDEADD@thewilliams.ws>

On Feb 19, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Steve Iannopollo wrote:

> Just thought I would share some of my bash aliases since I have found
> some of them indispensable, and would love to hear of other time-
> saving strategies/tricks people use:
>
> http://siannopollo.blogspot.com/2007/11/bash-aliases.html

Sweet! Good work.


From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 07:48:50 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:48:50 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Speaking of productivity
In-Reply-To: <5521793F-4F71-43AD-A7DE-2EA2DFBDEADD@thewilliams.ws>
References: <F67847F4-1036-44C8-80ED-65F4265A1855@iannopollo.com>
	<5521793F-4F71-43AD-A7DE-2EA2DFBDEADD@thewilliams.ws>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0802200448r5830a6e0l8545676d6b672898@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/19/08, Adam Williams <adam at thewilliams.ws> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Steve Iannopollo wrote:
>
>  > Just thought I would share some of my bash aliases since I have found
>  > some of them indispensable, and would love to hear of other time-
>  > saving strategies/tricks people use:
>  >
>  > http://siannopollo.blogspot.com/2007/11/bash-aliases.html
>
>
> Sweet! Good work.

+1 from me also.

Along the same lines, but a slightly different topic, this article
might be helpful to users of the bash shell, which would include OS X
and most Linux users:

http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From jeffm.keating at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 09:35:25 2008
From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (Jeff Keating)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:35:25 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Speaking of productivity
In-Reply-To: <deb2337a0802200448r5830a6e0l8545676d6b672898@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F67847F4-1036-44C8-80ED-65F4265A1855@iannopollo.com>
	<5521793F-4F71-43AD-A7DE-2EA2DFBDEADD@thewilliams.ws>
	<deb2337a0802200448r5830a6e0l8545676d6b672898@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbf7d70a0802200635j105ba263yacfac69ef36ab739@mail.gmail.com>

There was a guy who stood up and said he was looking for a job -- I didn't
get his name / email, did anyone? I can point him to two employers looking
for good Java developers. Please respond off the list.

On Feb 20, 2008 7:48 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/19/08, Adam Williams <adam at thewilliams.ws> wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Steve Iannopollo wrote:
> >
> >  > Just thought I would share some of my bash aliases since I have found
> >  > some of them indispensable, and would love to hear of other time-
> >  > saving strategies/tricks people use:
> >  >
> >  > http://siannopollo.blogspot.com/2007/11/bash-aliases.html
> >
> >
> > Sweet! Good work.
>
> +1 from me also.
>
> Along the same lines, but a slightly different topic, this article
> might be helpful to users of the bash shell, which would include OS X
> and most Linux users:
>
>
> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/
>
> --
> Rick DeNatale
>
> My blog on Ruby
> http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 09:43:31 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:43:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Speaking of productivity
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0802200635j105ba263yacfac69ef36ab739@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F67847F4-1036-44C8-80ED-65F4265A1855@iannopollo.com>
	<5521793F-4F71-43AD-A7DE-2EA2DFBDEADD@thewilliams.ws>
	<deb2337a0802200448r5830a6e0l8545676d6b672898@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802200635j105ba263yacfac69ef36ab739@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390802200643v1c26f218k59973449ef25ecef@mail.gmail.com>

I have a lead for him too. Hope he's on the list!
Matthew


On 2/20/08, Jeff Keating <jeffm.keating at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There was a guy who stood up and said he was looking for a job -- I didn't
> get his name / email, did anyone? I can point him to two employers looking
> for good Java developers. Please respond off the list.
>
> On Feb 20, 2008 7:48 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2/19/08, Adam Williams <adam at thewilliams.ws> wrote:
> > > On Feb 19, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Steve Iannopollo wrote:
> > >
> > >  > Just thought I would share some of my bash aliases since I have
> > found
> > >  > some of them indispensable, and would love to hear of other time-
> > >  > saving strategies/tricks people use:
> > >  >
> > >  > http://siannopollo.blogspot.com/2007/11/bash-aliases.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Sweet! Good work.
> >
> >
> > +1 from me also.
> >
> > Along the same lines, but a slightly different topic, this article
> > might be helpful to users of the bash shell, which would include OS X
> > and most Linux users:
> >
> >
> > http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/
> >
> > --
> > Rick DeNatale
> >
> > My blog on Ruby
> > http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 20 13:49:58 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:49:58 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] I feel sick
Message-ID: <9A6DE1E8-49CA-4E64-A4BE-9468A8990A0A@tonyspencer.com>

I just learned that one of my developers deployed some code with a bug  
that resulted in us incorrectly refunding $2,000+ to customer's credit  
cards via Trust Commerce.  I think I need an aspirin.

Sorry.  Just needed to share that.  Be very careful with credit card  
API code.  :)


From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Wed Feb 20 14:08:24 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:08:24 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] I feel sick
In-Reply-To: <9A6DE1E8-49CA-4E64-A4BE-9468A8990A0A@tonyspencer.com>
References: <9A6DE1E8-49CA-4E64-A4BE-9468A8990A0A@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <4ce336a20802201108y3c7dd555h2e55ca50b2176d07@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:

> I just learned that one of my developers deployed some code with a
> bug that resulted in us incorrectly refunding $2,000+ to
> customer's credit cards via Trust Commerce.  I think I need an
> aspirin.
>
> Sorry.  Just needed to share that.  Be very careful with credit
> card API code.  :)

Ugh, that stinks. "Yes ma'am, can I please get a refund of the refund
I gave you?"

Shameless plug: not sure what kind of payments you process, but this
is why I think everyone doing subscription stuff should take a look at
Spreedly. You don't want to do this stuff yourself if you don't have
to. Of course I'm biased...

I guess on the bright side, it could've been worse:

  http://blog.dreamhost.com/2008/01/15/um-whoops/


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 14:38:01 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:38:01 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] I feel sick
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20802201108y3c7dd555h2e55ca50b2176d07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9A6DE1E8-49CA-4E64-A4BE-9468A8990A0A@tonyspencer.com>
	<4ce336a20802201108y3c7dd555h2e55ca50b2176d07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0802201138rd44c203x1da4d65fe6026624@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/08, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:

>
>  I guess on the bright side, it could've been worse:
>
>   http://blog.dreamhost.com/2008/01/15/um-whoops/

And that just a week after they beat up on the rails community not
having their act together:
http://blog.dreamhost.com/2008/01/07/how-ruby-on-rails-could-be-much-better/

Oh the irony. <G>

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 20 14:57:02 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:57:02 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] I feel sick
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20802201108y3c7dd555h2e55ca50b2176d07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9A6DE1E8-49CA-4E64-A4BE-9468A8990A0A@tonyspencer.com>
	<4ce336a20802201108y3c7dd555h2e55ca50b2176d07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF849B7B-EE33-45A6-A34A-D06E833DAC4D@tonyspencer.com>

Indeed I've been looking at Spreedly.  Subscription payments are a  
major pain.  TrustCommerce makes it fairly easy but WOW are they slow  
to approve new accounts.  My last account with them took 9 months to  
open and I have an established 6 year history with merchant accounts.   
I can't imagine how hard it is for someone starting out.


On Feb 20, 2008, at 2:08 PM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

> On 2/20/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>
>> I just learned that one of my developers deployed some code with a
>> bug that resulted in us incorrectly refunding $2,000+ to
>> customer's credit cards via Trust Commerce.  I think I need an
>> aspirin.
>>
>> Sorry.  Just needed to share that.  Be very careful with credit
>> card API code.  :)
>
> Ugh, that stinks. "Yes ma'am, can I please get a refund of the refund
> I gave you?"
>
> Shameless plug: not sure what kind of payments you process, but this
> is why I think everyone doing subscription stuff should take a look at
> Spreedly. You don't want to do this stuff yourself if you don't have
> to. Of course I'm biased...
>
> I guess on the bright side, it could've been worse:
>
>  http://blog.dreamhost.com/2008/01/15/um-whoops/
>
>
> -- 
> Nathaniel Talbott
> <:((><
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>


From rsanheim at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 22:10:25 2008
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:10:25 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Can Has Productivity stuff has been posted
Message-ID: <fc113d400802201910q79623753w53e827362847056a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for everyone who came out last night for my talk!  If anyone
had any feedback on the talk, feel free to email me off list if you
have tips or ideas on how to improve it. =)

I've posted references to the books, tools, and scripts from the talk
here: http://robsanheim.com/i-can-has-productivity/

- Rob

http://robsanheim.com
http://thinkrelevance.com

From rsanheim at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 22:14:05 2008
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:14:05 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] [ANN] Tarantula 0.0.1 released!
Message-ID: <fc113d400802261914l5da06f87kfcaf4be53e6c3e66@mail.gmail.com>

The Tarantula is a fuzzy spider. It crawls your rails app, fuzzing
inputs and analyzing what comes back. We have pointed Tarantula at
about 20 Rails applications, both commercial and open source, and have
never failed to uncover flaws.

How does your Rails app stand up? It's easy to find out. Install the
plugin, and create a Tarantula integration test: (Update: Note that
Tarantula integration tests live in test/tarantula so that you can
treat them separately in your cruise builds. For a substantial app or
fixture set Tarantula can take a while to run!)

  # somewhere in your test
  require 'relevance/tarantula'

  # customize to match your security setup
  def test_with_login
    post '/sessions/create', :password => 'your-pass'
    assert_response :redirect
    assert_redirected_to '/'
    follow_redirect!
    t = tarantula_crawler(self)
    t.crawl '/'
  end

Then rake tarantula:test, and then start looking through the Failures
section of the HTML report.

Tarantula is just a baby now, but we plan to feed it until it is a lot
bigger and meaner. Suggestions and contributions are welcome via the
Relevance Open Source Trac.

Install:
script/plugin install
http://opensource.thinkrelevance.com/svn/rubygems/tarantula/trunk
tarantula

Dependencies:
gem install htmlentities
gem install facets

Home page:
http://opensource.thinkrelevance.com/wiki/tarantula

Hat tip to Courtenay, whose SpiderTest plugin inspired us to go down
this road. Also congrats to Mephisto, which is the best behaved app
under Tarantula to date (only three problems, all minor broken
windows).

thanks!

-- Relevance Open Source Team

http://thinkrelevance.com
http://opensource.thinkrelevance.com

From pelargir at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 06:07:36 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:07:36 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
Message-ID: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>

Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part of a
Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount, that's
$10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.

http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html


I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not an
endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?


Matthew
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From javery at infozerk.com  Wed Feb 27 09:10:52 2008
From: javery at infozerk.com (James Avery)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:10:52 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server that
isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up if I
need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or joyent. I
am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.

How has slicehost been?

-James

On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part of a
> Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount, that's
> $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
>
> http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
>
>
> I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not an
> endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
>
>
> Matthew
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
James Avery
Infozerk Inc.
http://www.infozerk.com
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From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 27 09:39:09 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:39:09 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>

Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one  
issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how  
everything should be set its no issue.


On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:

> I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server  
> that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to  
> scale up if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media  
> temple (dv), or joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost or  
> media template.
>
> How has slicehost been?
>
> -James
>
> On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part  
> of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the  
> discount, that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
>
> http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
>
> I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not  
> an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a  
> good experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
>
> Matthew
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
> -- 
> James Avery
> Infozerk Inc.
> http://www.infozerk.com  
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From pelargir at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 09:55:33 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:55:33 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>

I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago and am
quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup email forwarders
through their control panel. I hate having to install email on the server
just to forward a few addresses to my main accounts. But that's a minor
quibble.
Matthew


On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>
> Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one issue.
>  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how everything
> should be set its no issue.
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
>
> I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server that
> isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up if I
> need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or joyent. I
> am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
>
> How has slicehost been?
>
> -James
>
> On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part of
> > a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount, that's
> > $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> > http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> >
> >
> > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not an
> > endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> > experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> --
> James Avery
> Infozerk Inc.
> http://www.infozerk.com _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From steve.pinkham at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 09:56:40 2008
From: steve.pinkham at gmail.com (Steve Pinkham)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:56:40 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C57A28.3010603@gmail.com>

Matthew Bass wrote:
<--snip-->
> I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not an 
> endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good 
> experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?

I've used two good ones lately. I have one account on slicehost and one
account on futurehosting.biz.

I've been very impressed with the service from both providers,
futurehosting has better $ value for traditional service, and slicehost
has better management features and more modern Linux distributions.
Slicehost = xen + customized management console, futurehosting = virtuozzo.

Main reason I opened a slicehost account was their support of more
modern distributions, and found the great management console is a good
reason to stay.

Downsides to slicehost: Excellent backup and migration software, but is
an extra cost for something that is included by default with many other
VPS's.  Also bandwith is slightly more expensive then other VPS's, and
is charged for all traffic including internal to slicehost 
communication, making clustering more expensive.

Also, slicehost is purely a self-manged, no typical "control panel" 
affair, while most other hosters also offer managed control panel 
services also.  I tend not to care (or want!) those things, but you may 
be different.

Hope that helps someone. If you're VPS hunting, http://hosthideout.com/
and http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ are the places to be.

Steve


From raleigh-rb at liskar.com  Wed Feb 27 10:02:07 2008
From: raleigh-rb at liskar.com (Karl Towle)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12eb6ba80802270702j1849414bw8291d5a01b07370@mail.gmail.com>

I'm on a MediaTemple (dv), which I've bumped once from the lowest to the
mid-range plan. It's been fine - haven't had any issues, but I only have
fairly low-volume sites - only one Rails app and the rest Perl CGI, Drupal,
or static HTML. I'd be careful about their Grid Service - I monitor the
system status RSS feed and it seems like one or the other of the GS clusters
are having a problem nearly every week. They just recently announced new
higher-powered versions of the DV plans with newer versions of the core
software.

Karl

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago and
> am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup email
> forwarders through their control panel. I hate having to install email on
> the server just to forward a few addresses to my main accounts. But that's a
> minor quibble.
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one
> > issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how
> > everything should be set its no issue.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server
> > that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up
> > if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or
> > joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
> >
> > How has slicehost been?
> >
> > -James
> >
> > On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part
> > > of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount,
> > > that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> > >  http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> > >
> > >
> > > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not
> > > an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> > > experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > James Avery
> > Infozerk Inc.
> > http://www.infozerk.com _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From rsanheim at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:02:58 2008
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:02:58 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc113d400802270702h6096dbewcb74440aee257262@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on slice host.  Been very happy with it.

I also have a vps on rimuhosting.com.  They have been around a long
time and have always provided great service.  They are a bit more
pricey then slicehost.

- Rob

http://robsanheim.com
http://thinkrelevance.com


On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, James Avery <javery at infozerk.com> wrote:
> I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server that
> isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up if I
> need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or joyent. I
> am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
>
> How has slicehost been?
>
> -James
>
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part of a
> Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount, that's
> $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not an
> endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> --
> James Avery
> Infozerk Inc.
> http://www.infozerk.com
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 27 10:07:56 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:07:56 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>

Matthew
The email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to Fusemail.net  
and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of what the DNS  
record needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that always get me:



On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:

> I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago  
> and am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup  
> email forwarders through their control panel. I hate having to  
> install email on the server just to forward a few addresses to my  
> main accounts. But that's a minor quibble.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one  
> issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know  
> how everything should be set its no issue.
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
>
>> I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated  
>> server that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's  
>> easier to scale up if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost,  
>> media temple (dv), or joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost  
>> or media template.
>>
>> How has slicehost been?
>>
>> -James
>>
>> On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're  
>> part of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the  
>> discount, that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
>>
>> http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
>>
>>
>> I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is  
>> not an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you  
>> had a good experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
>>
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> James Avery
>> Infozerk Inc.
>> http://www.infozerk.com  
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
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From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 27 10:29:19 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:29:19 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
Message-ID: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>

Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in  
TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when  
developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me  
as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its  
just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps  
lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and  
removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help  
and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start  
Textmate even though I've saved the project.

Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I  
need to give Netbeans another try.

From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:32:43 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:32:43 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking at Rails mailing options and GMail smtp works but is limited to
I think 500 per day per account. Apparently the non free Google Apps removes
that limit, anyone have any experience with Google Apps? I don't currently
have a need for greater than 500 per day nor do I really anticipate any but
that could be due to lack of experience with higher volume apps.

Thanks, as this discussion does benefit me as a Rails and Rails stack newbie

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com>
wrote:

> MatthewThe email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to
> Fusemail.net and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of what
> the DNS record needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that always get
> me:
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:
>
> I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago and
> am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup email
> forwarders through their control panel. I hate having to install email on
> the server just to forward a few addresses to my main accounts. But that's a
> minor quibble.
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one
> > issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how
> > everything should be set its no issue.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server
> > that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up
> > if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or
> > joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
> >
> > How has slicehost been?
> >
> > -James
> >
> > On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part
> > > of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount,
> > > that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> > >  http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> > >
> > >
> > > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not
> > > an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> > > experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > James Avery
> > Infozerk Inc.
> > http://www.infozerk.com _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:38:37 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:38:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>

My searches are slow when I haven't ignored anything through TextMate. The
big offenders are /log (of course) and /vendor if you've unpacked a lot of
gems (or even Rails itself) there. The speed is decent once these folders
are gone. If you're still having trouble after ignoring these folders, there
must be something else going on...
Matthew


On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
> TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
> developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
> as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
> just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
> lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
> removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
> and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
> Textmate even though I've saved the project.
>
> Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
> need to give Netbeans another try.
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 27 10:42:30 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:42:30 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DC73A6D-A67D-44C0-8DE2-9E28CB7932AF@tonyspencer.com>

I tried the Gmail option and I find their console panel to make me  
want to put a gun to my head.  I can hardly believe it was built by  
the user interface masters at Google.  Horrible. Thats when I started  
paying fusemail.


On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Russell Christopher wrote:

> I'm looking at Rails mailing options and GMail smtp works but is  
> limited to I think 500 per day per account. Apparently the non free  
> Google Apps removes that limit, anyone have any experience with  
> Google Apps? I don't currently have a need for greater than 500 per  
> day nor do I really anticipate any but that could be due to lack of  
> experience with higher volume apps.
>
> Thanks, as this discussion does benefit me as a Rails and Rails  
> stack newbie
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tony Spencer  
> <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Matthew
> The email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to  
> Fusemail.net and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of  
> what the DNS record needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that  
> always get me:
>
> <slicehost-1.jpg>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:
>
>> I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year  
>> ago and am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to  
>> setup email forwarders through their control panel. I hate having  
>> to install email on the server just to forward a few addresses to  
>> my main accounts. But that's a minor quibble.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>> Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one  
>> issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know  
>> how everything should be set its no issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated  
>>> server that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's  
>>> easier to scale up if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost,  
>>> media temple (dv), or joyent. I am leaning towards either  
>>> slicehost or media template.
>>>
>>> How has slicehost been?
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're  
>>> part of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the  
>>> discount, that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
>>>
>>> http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/ 
>>> deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is  
>>> not an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you  
>>> had a good experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> James Avery
>>> Infozerk Inc.
>>> http://www.infozerk.com  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From jeffm.keating at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:48:08 2008
From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (Jeff Keating)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:48:08 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>

grep really really flies. practice with it at the command line and you'll be
eventually be much happier.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:

> My searches are slow when I haven't ignored anything through TextMate. The
> big offenders are /log (of course) and /vendor if you've unpacked a lot of
> gems (or even Rails itself) there. The speed is decent once these folders
> are gone. If you're still having trouble after ignoring these folders, there
> must be something else going on...
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
> > TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
> > developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
> > as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
> > just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
> > lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
> > removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
> > and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
> > Textmate even though I've saved the project.
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
> > need to give Netbeans another try.
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From otto.hammersmith at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:48:41 2008
From: otto.hammersmith at gmail.com (Otto Hammersmith)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:48:41 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6cf62600802270748u7238c43bg53b9f32cb70d774c@mail.gmail.com>

I always forget how to set up the ignore, I see it in the prefs but that
says it's only for new projects.  I'm not seeing where to do it in the prefs
for the specific project.  Any pointers?

I wish it would perform well without /vendor/ ignored, since it'd be nice to
search the rails source sometimes... though I guess I would stop opening the
wrong environment.rb. :)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:

> My searches are slow when I haven't ignored anything through TextMate. The
> big offenders are /log (of course) and /vendor if you've unpacked a lot of
> gems (or even Rails itself) there. The speed is decent once these folders
> are gone. If you're still having trouble after ignoring these folders, there
> must be something else going on...
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
> > TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
> > developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
> > as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
> > just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
> > lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
> > removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
> > and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
> > Textmate even though I've saved the project.
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
> > need to give Netbeans another try.
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From crnixon at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 10:59:18 2008
From: crnixon at gmail.com (Clinton R. Nixon)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:59:18 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>

I found this command for TextMate to be a much faster way to search
within a project:

http://henrik.nyh.se/2007/06/grep-in-project-command-for-textmate

Best,
Clinton R. Nixon
http://clintonrnixon.net

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 27 11:06:25 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:06:25 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B94A1EE7-4843-4AFA-89C2-68527162F3DB@tonyspencer.com>

Annoying.  If I wanted to break out of the IDE I'd use vi for  
developing. :)


On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Jeff Keating wrote:

> grep really really flies. practice with it at the command line and  
> you'll be eventually be much happier.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> My searches are slow when I haven't ignored anything through  
> TextMate. The big offenders are /log (of course) and /vendor if  
> you've unpacked a lot of gems (or even Rails itself) there. The  
> speed is decent once these folders are gone. If you're still having  
> trouble after ignoring these folders, there must be something else  
> going on...
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
> TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
> developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
> as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
> just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
> lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
> removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
> and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
> Textmate even though I've saved the project.
>
> Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
> need to give Netbeans another try.
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Feb 27 11:07:31 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:07:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B7A05AA-22C2-4D6D-BAE6-FEEA3A8C6611@tonyspencer.com>

How do you tell it to ignore?  I tried removing references (i.e.  
remove from project but not delete physical files) and as I said, they  
always come back after loading the project again.  Seems like a bug to  
me but maybe I'm using it wrong.

On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:

> My searches are slow when I haven't ignored anything through  
> TextMate. The big offenders are /log (of course) and /vendor if  
> you've unpacked a lot of gems (or even Rails itself) there. The  
> speed is decent once these folders are gone. If you're still having  
> trouble after ignoring these folders, there must be something else  
> going on...
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
> TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
> developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
> as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
> just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
> lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
> removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
> and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
> Textmate even though I've saved the project.
>
> Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
> need to give Netbeans another try.
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From otto.hammersmith at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 11:17:49 2008
From: otto.hammersmith at gmail.com (Otto Hammersmith)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:17:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
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ack is better. :)

But I still want something inside TextMate.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jeff Keating <jeffm.keating at gmail.com>
wrote:

> grep really really flies. practice with it at the command line and you'll
> be eventually be much happier.
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My searches are slow when I haven't ignored anything through TextMate.
> > The big offenders are /log (of course) and /vendor if you've unpacked a lot
> > of gems (or even Rails itself) there. The speed is decent once these folders
> > are gone. If you're still having trouble after ignoring these folders, there
> > must be something else going on...
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
> > > TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
> > > developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
> > > as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
> > > just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
> > > lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
> > > removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
> > > and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
> > > Textmate even though I've saved the project.
> > >
> > > Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
> > > need to give Netbeans another try.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 12:48:33 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:48:33 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
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On 2/27/08, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I found this command for TextMate to be a much faster way to search
>  within a project:
>
>  http://henrik.nyh.se/2007/06/grep-in-project-command-for-textmate

Very cool, although it would be even cooler if it used ack (or isn't
there a ruby implementation of ack) instead of grep. Hmmmmm.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From rsanheim at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 12:54:28 2008
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:54:28 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
>  TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
>  developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
>  as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure its
>  just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
>  lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project and
>  removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
>  and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
>  Textmate even though I've saved the project.
>
>  Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
>  need to give Netbeans another try.

Ignore folders in textmate
http://robsanheim.com/2007/07/23/make-textmates-find-in-project-faster-in-rails-projects/

Use ack from the command line -- its like grep, only smart about
excluding junk out of the box:
http://petdance.com/ack/

- Rob

From ben at near-time.com  Wed Feb 27 13:13:43 2008
From: ben at near-time.com (Ben Burdick)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:13:43 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
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Heres a bit I can't live without that one of my coworkers put together.

Put this in a script in your projects script/ directory (we call it  
'mategrep') then you can run ./script/mategrep "your search term" and  
it will grep the project for the term and open all the files it finds  
the term in into a textmate project.

grep -rl "$1" app/ lib/ test/ public/ | grep -v .svn | xargs mate

On Feb 27, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Rob Sanheim wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Tony Spencer  
> <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone else get frustrated trying to search across a project in
>> TextMate?  This is something I've always leaned on quite heavily when
>> developing and since switching to Ruby this has really frustrated me
>> as I always get the spinning beachball on my mac.  I'm pretty sure  
>> its
>> just that I've got some large files such as logs and big mysqldumps
>> lying in the project folder so I tried creating a Textmate project  
>> and
>> removing references to those files and folders.  Didn't seem to help
>> and even worse the removed references are ignored next time I start
>> Textmate even though I've saved the project.
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong or is this frustrating you too?  Maybe I
>> need to give Netbeans another try.
>
> Ignore folders in textmate
> http://robsanheim.com/2007/07/23/make-textmates-find-in-project-faster-in-rails-projects/
>
> Use ack from the command line -- its like grep, only smart about
> excluding junk out of the box:
> http://petdance.com/ack/
>
> - Rob
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 14:07:59 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:07:59 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <deb2337a0802270948t2e261702x84f6771ed2455f80@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/27/08, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/27/08, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > I found this command for TextMate to be a much faster way to search
>  >  within a project:
>  >
>  >  http://henrik.nyh.se/2007/06/grep-in-project-command-for-textmate
>
>
> Very cool, although it would be even cooler if it used ack (or isn't
>  there a ruby implementation of ack) instead of grep. Hmmmmm.

After playing with this for a few minutes, t'aint perfect, at least for me.

1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't want
that. So I edited it to not ignore.

2) It only uses grep, NOT egrep, the textmate find in project is nice
because I can control whether or not the search string is a regexp.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From redinger at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 16:13:57 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:13:57 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>  1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't want
>  that. So I edited it to not ignore.

I was going to ask this when I saw a previous mention about excluding
vendor - do you guys that do this have an alternative method for
searching/browsing the API? (Excluding the previous conversation about
using some other source like RailsBrain of course.)

-- 
Christopher Redinger
http://www.agiledisciple.com

From javery at infozerk.com  Wed Feb 27 16:16:34 2008
From: javery at infozerk.com (James Avery)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:16:34 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
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Thanks for all the great feedback, I am going to give slicehost a shot.

-James

On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>
> I tried the Gmail option and I find their console panel to make me want to
> put a gun to my head.  I can hardly believe it was built by the user
> interface masters at Google.  Horrible. Thats when I started paying
> fusemail.
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Russell Christopher wrote:
>
> I'm looking at Rails mailing options and GMail smtp works but is limited
> to I think 500 per day per account. Apparently the non free Google Apps
> removes that limit, anyone have any experience with Google Apps? I don't
> currently have a need for greater than 500 per day nor do I really
> anticipate any but that could be due to lack of experience with higher
> volume apps.
>
> Thanks, as this discussion does benefit me as a Rails and Rails stack
> newbie
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com>
> wrote:
>
> > MatthewThe email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to
> > Fusemail.net and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of what
> > the DNS record needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that always get
> > me:
> >
> > <slicehost-1.jpg>
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:
> >
> > I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago and
> > am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup email
> > forwarders through their control panel. I hate having to install email on
> > the server just to forward a few addresses to my main accounts. But that's a
> > minor quibble.
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one
> > > issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how
> > > everything should be set its no issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
> > >
> > > I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server
> > > that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up
> > > if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or
> > > joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
> > >
> > > How has slicehost been?
> > >
> > > -James
> > >
> > > On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part
> > > > of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount,
> > > > that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> > > >
> > > > http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not
> > > > an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> > > > experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matthew
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Avery
> > > Infozerk Inc.
> > > http://www.infozerk.com_______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
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> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> >
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> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
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From kevin at near-time.com  Wed Feb 27 16:27:39 2008
From: kevin at near-time.com (Kevin Olbrich)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:27:39 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
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the grep-in-project command will only grep on the currently selected folder
in the project drawer.  So if you want to search vendor/rails, you select
it, then search.  If you want to search only your app directory, you select
it, then search.
I find that the grep-in-project does about 99% of what I need (without
regular expressions) and I can fall back to the built in project search when
I need to.

FYI..

I use these settings for textmate:

File Pattern
: !(/\.(?!htaccess)[^/]*|\.(log|tmproj|o|pyc|sql)|/Icon\r|/svn-commit(\.[2-9])?\.tmp)$
Folder
Pattern: !.*/(\.[^/]*|CVS|_darcs|_MTN|\{arch\}|blib|.*~\.nib|.*\.(framework|app|pbproj|pbxproj|xcode(proj)?|bundle))$


which is pretty close to the default but ignores logs.

_Kevin

On 2/27/08, Christopher Redinger <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't want
> >  that. So I edited it to not ignore.
>
>
> I was going to ask this when I saw a previous mention about excluding
> vendor - do you guys that do this have an alternative method for
> searching/browsing the API? (Excluding the previous conversation about
> using some other source like RailsBrain of course.)
>
>
> --
> Christopher Redinger
> http://www.agiledisciple.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 16:44:00 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:44:00 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
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On 2/27/08, Kevin Olbrich <kevin at near-time.com> wrote:
> the grep-in-project command will only grep on the currently selected folder
> in the project drawer.  So if you want to search vendor/rails, you select
> it, then search.  If you want to search only your app directory, you select
> it, then search.

Hmmmmm. That's not what it seems to be doing for me.  It seems to
search the whole project regardless.  I did modify it to include
vendor/rails but I don't think what I did would have affected this.

Maybe an earlier version worked that way.

The easy ways of doing a dialog in a textmate command don't seem to
provide a way to make a more complex initial dialog box with
checkboxes to control regex/case sensitivity, but I guess that's a
simple matter of programming. <G>

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 16:46:27 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:46:27 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
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On 2/27/08, Christopher Redinger <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't want
>  >  that. So I edited it to not ignore.
>
>
> I was going to ask this when I saw a previous mention about excluding
>  vendor - do you guys that do this have an alternative method for
>  searching/browsing the API? (Excluding the previous conversation about
>  using some other source like RailsBrain of course.)

Yes.

The RDOC based tools like rails brain are limited to the publicly
documented classes and methods, which because of things like
metaprogramming aren't even the complete API.

And quite often I want to look at the implementation, not just the
API, and gain the RDOC based tools only allow you to look at the API
methods and not inner methods.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From redinger at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 17:05:57 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:05:57 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <deb2337a0802271346x61bc4445g65b7a127a25959ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802270948t2e261702x84f6771ed2455f80@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271107x3bd85fa8k76f763bb6f11be2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271313x251d84a6pd1eeb827cde9e665@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271346x61bc4445g65b7a127a25959ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681d4e8f0802271405r39b983e2p5a98243b458b24d3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>  The RDOC based tools like rails brain are limited to the publicly
>  documented classes and methods, which because of things like
>  metaprogramming aren't even the complete API.

Yeah you and I are on the same page. My question was intended to be to
the people that exclude vendor in TextMate searching/browsing. What
method would they use to do what you and I do right in TextMate from
our project?
-- 
Christopher Redinger
http://www.agiledisciple.com

From kevin at near-time.com  Wed Feb 27 17:22:07 2008
From: kevin at near-time.com (Kevin Olbrich)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:22:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <681d4e8f0802271405r39b983e2p5a98243b458b24d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802270948t2e261702x84f6771ed2455f80@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271107x3bd85fa8k76f763bb6f11be2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271313x251d84a6pd1eeb827cde9e665@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271346x61bc4445g65b7a127a25959ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271405r39b983e2p5a98243b458b24d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b84fa5050802271422n5e1b2d27ud831832835c66151@mail.gmail.com>

http://yehudakatz.com/2007/11/15/textmate-search-in-a-folder-with-grep-part-deux/


I find this useful.

On 2/27/08, Christopher Redinger <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  The RDOC based tools like rails brain are limited to the publicly
> >  documented classes and methods, which because of things like
> >  metaprogramming aren't even the complete API.
>
>
> Yeah you and I are on the same page. My question was intended to be to
> the people that exclude vendor in TextMate searching/browsing. What
> method would they use to do what you and I do right in TextMate from
> our project?
>
> --
> Christopher Redinger
> http://www.agiledisciple.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 19:24:16 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:24:16 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <b84fa5050802271422n5e1b2d27ud831832835c66151@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802270948t2e261702x84f6771ed2455f80@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271107x3bd85fa8k76f763bb6f11be2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271313x251d84a6pd1eeb827cde9e665@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271346x61bc4445g65b7a127a25959ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271405r39b983e2p5a98243b458b24d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<b84fa5050802271422n5e1b2d27ud831832835c66151@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0802271624v15fd46f7o53dcfa713821895d@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, that explains the difference  between what you and I are seeing,
two different GREP in textmate extensions!

On 2/27/08, Kevin Olbrich <kevin at near-time.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://yehudakatz.com/2007/11/15/textmate-search-in-a-folder-with-grep-part-deux/
>
>
>
>
> I find this useful.
> On 2/27/08, Christopher Redinger <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >  The RDOC based tools like rails brain are limited to the publicly
> > >  documented classes and methods, which because of things like
> > >  metaprogramming aren't even the complete API.
> >
> >
> > Yeah you and I are on the same page. My question was intended to be to
> > the people that exclude vendor in TextMate searching/browsing. What
> > method would they use to do what you and I do right in TextMate from
> > our project?
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Redinger
> > http://www.agiledisciple.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>


-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From rsanheim at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 19:55:43 2008
From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:55:43 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <681d4e8f0802271313x251d84a6pd1eeb827cde9e665@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802270948t2e261702x84f6771ed2455f80@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271107x3bd85fa8k76f763bb6f11be2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271313x251d84a6pd1eeb827cde9e665@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc113d400802271655y3bb9b5c1i9d3c2cc3ef14a33e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Christopher Redinger
<redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't want
>  >  that. So I edited it to not ignore.
>
>  I was going to ask this when I saw a previous mention about excluding
>  vendor - do you guys that do this have an alternative method for
>  searching/browsing the API? (Excluding the previous conversation about
>  using some other source like RailsBrain of course.)

I use a separate textmate window for browsing the source in
vendor/rails (when needed), and also keep railsbrain open.

- Rob

From mshiltonj at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 02:49:02 2008
From: mshiltonj at gmail.com (Steven Hilton)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:49:02 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <20af90580802271316j16d44023s4eaa5686d881b15f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DC73A6D-A67D-44C0-8DE2-9E28CB7932AF@tonyspencer.com>
	<20af90580802271316j16d44023s4eaa5686d881b15f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8308260d0802272349h6650c678y9b38160b94569a1e@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using http://www.linode.com for my vps.  I think they are
comparable to slicehost on most counts.  Service with them has been
great in the three months I've been a customer. Their VPSs are
completely unmanaged, but you do get a web-based dashboard thingy to
view bandwidth and cpu metrics of your node, and a tool to virtually
log into system console, in case the networking on your node goes
down. They have a lot of other resources I just haven't used.

Slicehost seemed the highest rated when I did my searching, but at
that time they had a several week long wait time to get new slices.
Linode had no wait time at all.  (Looking now, slicehost doesn't have
a wait time anymore.)

Lowest spec VPS (Slicehost):
256Slice  	$20.00/month - 10GB HD, 100GB BW

Lowest spec VPS (Linode)
360 MiB	     10 GiB	   200 GiB/mo	$19.95

So, more ram and more bandwidth for the same price. That extra 100 MB
is a couple more mongrel instances.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:16 PM, James Avery <javery at infozerk.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all the great feedback, I am going to give slicehost a shot.
>
> -James
>
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tried the Gmail option and I find their console panel to make me want to
> put a gun to my head.  I can hardly believe it was built by the user
> interface masters at Google.  Horrible. Thats when I started paying
> fusemail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Russell Christopher wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking at Rails mailing options and GMail smtp works but is limited
> to I think 500 per day per account. Apparently the non free Google Apps
> removes that limit, anyone have any experience with Google Apps? I don't
> currently have a need for greater than 500 per day nor do I really
> anticipate any but that could be due to lack of experience with higher
> volume apps.
> >
> > Thanks, as this discussion does benefit me as a Rails and Rails stack
> newbie
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > > The email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to Fusemail.net
> and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of what the DNS record
> needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that always get me:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <slicehost-1.jpg>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:
> > >
> > > I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago and
> am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup email
> forwarders through their control panel. I hate having to install email on
> the server just to forward a few addresses to my main accounts. But that's a
> minor quibble.
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one
> issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how
> everything should be set its no issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server
> that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up
> if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or
> joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
> > > >
> > > > How has slicehost been?
> > > >
> > > > -James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part
> of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount,
> that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not
> an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Matthew
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > James Avery
> > > > Infozerk Inc.
> > > > http://www.infozerk.com
> _______________________________________________
> > > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > > >
> > >
> > >   _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> --
> James Avery
> Infozerk Inc.
> http://www.infozerk.com
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
<http://mshiltonj.com/>

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect
 his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."   --  John F. Kennedy

"There is no heart so black
  as the black, black heart
  of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk

From z at zworkbench.com  Thu Feb 28 07:07:44 2008
From: z at zworkbench.com (Chris Garrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:07:44 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <fc113d400802271655y3bb9b5c1i9d3c2cc3ef14a33e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802270948t2e261702x84f6771ed2455f80@mail.gmail.com>
	<deb2337a0802271107x3bd85fa8k76f763bb6f11be2a@mail.gmail.com>
	<681d4e8f0802271313x251d84a6pd1eeb827cde9e665@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc113d400802271655y3bb9b5c1i9d3c2cc3ef14a33e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82883b650802280407v2e120e8dh29259e4c00b5415@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that searchable rails code is an absolute requirement.  I
don't even like having separate projects open for rails.

How big a project is everyone talking about?  I use the standard find
in project, and it's pretty speedy with or without regex.  That's
including vendor/rails.  My project itself is about 7000 LOC.

I just timed myself searching for a few rails methods.

First search after opening Textmate:  31 seconds.  Way too slow.  But...

Subsequent searches:  1-2 seconds.

My file pattern:
!(/\.(?!htaccess)[^/]*|\.(tmproj|o|pyc)|/Icon\r|/svn-commit(\.[2-9])?\.tmp)$
My folder pattern:
!.*/(\.[^/]*|CVS|log|coverage|_darcs|_MTN|\{arch\}|blib|.*~\.nib|.*\.(framework|app|pbproj|pbxproj|xcode(proj)?|bundle))$

Chris

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Rob Sanheim <rsanheim at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Christopher Redinger
>  <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  >  1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't want
>  >  >  that. So I edited it to not ignore.
>  >
>  >  I was going to ask this when I saw a previous mention about excluding
>  >  vendor - do you guys that do this have an alternative method for
>  >  searching/browsing the API? (Excluding the previous conversation about
>  >  using some other source like RailsBrain of course.)
>
>  I use a separate textmate window for browsing the source in
>  vendor/rails (when needed), and also keep railsbrain open.
>
>  - Rob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From ruby at vickeryj.com  Thu Feb 28 07:34:47 2008
From: ruby at vickeryj.com (Josh Vickery)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:34:47 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <8308260d0802272349h6650c678y9b38160b94569a1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DC73A6D-A67D-44C0-8DE2-9E28CB7932AF@tonyspencer.com>
	<20af90580802271316j16d44023s4eaa5686d881b15f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8308260d0802272349h6650c678y9b38160b94569a1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0c1cc0a0802280434m216b79q678d110ec043563b@mail.gmail.com>

I think one feature that drew people to Slicehost over Linode is that
Slicehost uses Xen virtualization whereas Linode has been using User
Mode Linux (UML) for some time now. The difference from a customer
perspective is that Xen in theory provides higher performance for a VM
on similar hardware. A UML VM runs as a user mode process on top of a
Linux kernel whereas a Xen VM runs on top of a hyperviser.

That said, Linode is running a Xen beta program where any customer is
able to sign up for and have their UML VM moved to a Xen server.

I wouldn't let the difference in VM techs sway a choice of hosting
provider too much. I can't images that it makes all that much of
noticeable difference for an app server, but I thought I would share
what I've heard and ask if anyone has any experience comparing these
two platforms directly for Ruby serving purposes.

Josh

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm using http://www.linode.com for my vps.  I think they are
>  comparable to slicehost on most counts.  Service with them has been
>  great in the three months I've been a customer. Their VPSs are
>  completely unmanaged, but you do get a web-based dashboard thingy to
>  view bandwidth and cpu metrics of your node, and a tool to virtually
>  log into system console, in case the networking on your node goes
>  down. They have a lot of other resources I just haven't used.
>
>  Slicehost seemed the highest rated when I did my searching, but at
>  that time they had a several week long wait time to get new slices.
>  Linode had no wait time at all.  (Looking now, slicehost doesn't have
>  a wait time anymore.)
>
>  Lowest spec VPS (Slicehost):
>  256Slice        $20.00/month - 10GB HD, 100GB BW
>
>  Lowest spec VPS (Linode)
>  360 MiB      10 GiB        200 GiB/mo   $19.95
>
>  So, more ram and more bandwidth for the same price. That extra 100 MB
>  is a couple more mongrel instances.
>
>

From steve at iannopollo.com  Thu Feb 28 09:27:56 2008
From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:27:56 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Slow project searching with TextMate
In-Reply-To: <82883b650802280407v2e120e8dh29259e4c00b5415@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279E1105-24C5-4D94-843C-183B4D3CE54D@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270738r15531c2cvc6618a3a4db5966b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0802270748t638978ffq3fe90a569ee58c24@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0802270759r1910ddc8q11a291d8e2f3d706@mail.gmail.com>
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	<deb2337a0802271107x3bd85fa8k76f763bb6f11be2a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <498D546C-0A7B-470D-8D21-9003F6C30E20@iannopollo.com>

> I agree that searchable rails code is an absolute requirement.  I
> don't even like having separate projects open for rails.
>
> How big a project is everyone talking about?  I use the standard find
> in project, and it's pretty speedy with or without regex.  That's
> including vendor/rails.  My project itself is about 7000 LOC.
>
> I just timed myself searching for a few rails methods.
>
> First search after opening Textmate:  31 seconds.  Way too slow.   
> But...

Unfortunately, that 31 seconds is TextMate putting every file in your  
project in memory and keeping them there for later searches. If you do  
that with a really big project, or just one that you haven't cleared  
the logs for in about 2 months, doing anything else on your machine  
becomes painfully slow (go check out the real memory usage of TextMate  
in ActivityMonitor after waiting those 31 seconds, it usually takes up  
about 1GB of my memory if I have forgotten to ignore the big folders).

> Subsequent searches:  1-2 seconds.
>
> My file pattern:
> !(/\.(?!htaccess)[^/]*|\.(tmproj|o|pyc)|/Icon\r|/svn-commit(\.[2-9])? 
> \.tmp)$
> My folder pattern:
> !.*/(\.[^/]*|CVS|log|coverage|_darcs|_MTN|\{arch\}|blib|.*~\.nib|.*\. 
> (framework|app|pbproj|pbxproj|xcode(proj)?|bundle))$

I always exclude coverage too, as that will definitely slow a search  
down.

-Steve

>
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Rob Sanheim <rsanheim at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Christopher Redinger
>> <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>> 1) Out of the box it ignores vendor/rails, in most cases I don't  
>>>> want
>>>> that. So I edited it to not ignore.
>>>
>>> I was going to ask this when I saw a previous mention about  
>>> excluding
>>> vendor - do you guys that do this have an alternative method for
>>> searching/browsing the API? (Excluding the previous conversation  
>>> about
>>> using some other source like RailsBrain of course.)
>>
>> I use a separate textmate window for browsing the source in
>> vendor/rails (when needed), and also keep railsbrain open.
>>
>> - Rob
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
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From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 09:38:48 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:38:48 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <d0c1cc0a0802280434m216b79q678d110ec043563b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DC73A6D-A67D-44C0-8DE2-9E28CB7932AF@tonyspencer.com>
	<20af90580802271316j16d44023s4eaa5686d881b15f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8308260d0802272349h6650c678y9b38160b94569a1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0802280434m216b79q678d110ec043563b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <575ed91c0802280638p22f279eq972eb0e616bc4dc1@mail.gmail.com>

"No contracts, no setup fees. Upgrade, downgrade, add a slice or remove a
slice. Billing is monthly, cancel at anytime."

Seems to be a standard now for most VPS hosting. Not quite a commodity
because provided addons/features (e.g. backup) and possibly different
distributions and virtualization provide some barrier to changing hosts.
Cheap enough where one might consider more than one VPS host to serve a
rails/merb app. Pick one with a good backup feature, the other with cheaper
bandwidth etc Just a thought, as I said I'm a newbie at this (and I've been
reading the deployment book :). Another possibility is VPS proxy with EC2
scale out. I'm interested to see if Heroku changes the landscape
any.Herokuis interesting for reasons other than EC2
i.e. editing text in the browser. I signed up for an account to see how that
works, just thought I'd mention that given the 'mate search posts on this
mailing list recently


On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Josh Vickery <ruby at vickeryj.com> wrote:

> I think one feature that drew people to Slicehost over Linode is that
> Slicehost uses Xen virtualization whereas Linode has been using User
> Mode Linux (UML) for some time now. The difference from a customer
> perspective is that Xen in theory provides higher performance for a VM
> on similar hardware. A UML VM runs as a user mode process on top of a
> Linux kernel whereas a Xen VM runs on top of a hyperviser.
>
> That said, Linode is running a Xen beta program where any customer is
> able to sign up for and have their UML VM moved to a Xen server.
>
> I wouldn't let the difference in VM techs sway a choice of hosting
> provider too much. I can't images that it makes all that much of
> noticeable difference for an app server, but I thought I would share
> what I've heard and ask if anyone has any experience comparing these
> two platforms directly for Ruby serving purposes.
>
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm using http://www.linode.com for my vps.  I think they are
> >  comparable to slicehost on most counts.  Service with them has been
> >  great in the three months I've been a customer. Their VPSs are
> >  completely unmanaged, but you do get a web-based dashboard thingy to
> >  view bandwidth and cpu metrics of your node, and a tool to virtually
> >  log into system console, in case the networking on your node goes
> >  down. They have a lot of other resources I just haven't used.
> >
> >  Slicehost seemed the highest rated when I did my searching, but at
> >  that time they had a several week long wait time to get new slices.
> >  Linode had no wait time at all.  (Looking now, slicehost doesn't have
> >  a wait time anymore.)
> >
> >  Lowest spec VPS (Slicehost):
> >  256Slice        $20.00/month - 10GB HD, 100GB BW
> >
> >  Lowest spec VPS (Linode)
> >  360 MiB      10 GiB        200 GiB/mo   $19.95
> >
> >  So, more ram and more bandwidth for the same price. That extra 100 MB
> >  is a couple more mongrel instances.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Thu Feb 28 11:00:13 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:00:13 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] RailsConf Preview
Message-ID: <4ce336a20802280800s5d4012fbh3333605a3aa9df78@mail.gmail.com>

As we have for most big Ruby conferences, we'd like to preview a
RailsConf talk at the April 15th Raleigh.rb meeting. While I know many
folks (myself included) still have their talks "under review", I'd
like to go ahead and see if anyone's interested in signing up for the
slot regardless. It's a great opportunity to practice your talk and
get some feedback from a smaller, friendlier crowd before going under
the big lights at RailsConf.

There's only one slot, so let me know you're interested ASAP and
you're more likely to get it!


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Thu Feb 28 14:20:31 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:20:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Is TrustCommerce in trouble?
Message-ID: <2DFCCFF7-F7DD-4606-A71F-22708FF69142@tonyspencer.com>

Is anyone else here using Trustcommerce for your merchant account with  
your Rails app? I'm starting to get concerned that they are about to  
fold or are in some serious trouble.  I emailed a question to my  
account rep there and 1 week later I get a reply from the VP of Biz  
Dev saying my rep is no longer with the company and he'd be helping  
me.  That worries me that the VP of Biz Dev is doing low level  
customer support.

Tony

From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 14:53:03 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:53:03 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Is TrustCommerce in trouble?
In-Reply-To: <2DFCCFF7-F7DD-4606-A71F-22708FF69142@tonyspencer.com>
References: <2DFCCFF7-F7DD-4606-A71F-22708FF69142@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0802281153l28932308qcb105331afcccc48@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/28/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Is anyone else here using Trustcommerce for your merchant account with
>  your Rails app? I'm starting to get concerned that they are about to
>  fold or are in some serious trouble.  I emailed a question to my
>  account rep there and 1 week later I get a reply from the VP of Biz
>  Dev saying my rep is no longer with the company and he'd be helping
>  me.  That worries me that the VP of Biz Dev is doing low level
>  customer support.

No direct knowledge, but it's not uncommon in certain industries,
banking being one of the prime examples, for the title Vice President
not to indicate quite the position it conjures up.

As another example, quite some years ago I was buying something in a
Sears store, and the employee who was waiting on me seemed to be
rather upset about something.  As I started to walk away after the
transaction, her co-worker came up to her and asked her what was
wrong.  She said: "Didn't you hear, they laid off all of the
vice-presidents!"

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From otto.hammersmith at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 15:02:33 2008
From: otto.hammersmith at gmail.com (Otto Hammersmith)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:02:33 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Is TrustCommerce in trouble?
In-Reply-To: <deb2337a0802281153l28932308qcb105331afcccc48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2DFCCFF7-F7DD-4606-A71F-22708FF69142@tonyspencer.com>
	<deb2337a0802281153l28932308qcb105331afcccc48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6cf62600802281202q125f73dk23e344c106c6e018@mail.gmail.com>

Bank of America, in particular... everyone not at a branch is a Vice
President.

I'm a lowly coder and the job they offered me was "Senior Vice President"
level...

Heck, "Vice Presidents" got paid overtime... so no one ever wanted to be
promoted. :)

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2/28/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> > Is anyone else here using Trustcommerce for your merchant account with
> >  your Rails app? I'm starting to get concerned that they are about to
> >  fold or are in some serious trouble.  I emailed a question to my
> >  account rep there and 1 week later I get a reply from the VP of Biz
> >  Dev saying my rep is no longer with the company and he'd be helping
> >  me.  That worries me that the VP of Biz Dev is doing low level
> >  customer support.
>
> No direct knowledge, but it's not uncommon in certain industries,
> banking being one of the prime examples, for the title Vice President
> not to indicate quite the position it conjures up.
>
> As another example, quite some years ago I was buying something in a
> Sears store, and the employee who was waiting on me seemed to be
> rather upset about something.  As I started to walk away after the
> transaction, her co-worker came up to her and asked her what was
> wrong.  She said: "Didn't you hear, they laid off all of the
> vice-presidents!"
>
> --
> Rick DeNatale
>
> My blog on Ruby
> http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> _______________________________________________
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 09:25:22 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:25:22 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Drop-down with thumbnails inside it
Message-ID: <c2eae3390802290625v7d8d316wd3b44a89b587bf17@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone ever built a drop-down/select box with images/thumbnails embedded
inside it? I'd like to display a list of products that the user can select,
and beside each product I want to show a small pic of the product itself.
This obviously requires a custom select field of some sort, but my Googling
hasn't turned up much so far. I have some ideas about how to write this from
scratch, but if there is an existing Rails plugin out there I'd rather use
it to save time.
Thanks,
Matthew
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From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 09:37:16 2008
From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:37:16 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Drop-down with thumbnails inside it
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802290625v7d8d316wd3b44a89b587bf17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802290625v7d8d316wd3b44a89b587bf17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b2e941150802290637i35c0778k760c0b2392239f78@mail.gmail.com>

I've been meaning to do this as well.  IIRC it looked like it was going to
require some non-trivial html and css to get it to render right.  The
example that I was planning to follow for the markup portion was the jira
issue tracker (create new issue).

Mark

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever built a drop-down/select box with images/thumbnails
> embedded inside it? I'd like to display a list of products that the user can
> select, and beside each product I want to show a small pic of the product
> itself. This obviously requires a custom select field of some sort, but my
> Googling hasn't turned up much so far. I have some ideas about how to write
> this from scratch, but if there is an existing Rails plugin out there I'd
> rather use it to save time.
> Thanks,
> Matthew
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From ruby at vickeryj.com  Fri Feb 29 10:00:06 2008
From: ruby at vickeryj.com (Josh Vickery)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:00:06 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Drop-down with thumbnails inside it
In-Reply-To: <d0c1cc0a0802290657h161f85bbrda0bcc7ab0e37c04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802290625v7d8d316wd3b44a89b587bf17@mail.gmail.com>
	<b2e941150802290637i35c0778k760c0b2392239f78@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d0c1cc0a0802290700m3a178ec3u74959487cae3fbd7@mail.gmail.com>

I've not tried this myself, but the Ajax.Autocompleter from
Scriptaculous allows you to supply arbitrary HTML within the <li>
elements that it renders, so I think you could include img tags in
there.

http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Ajax.Autocompleter

Josh

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Josh Vickery <josh at vickeryj.com> wrote:
> I've not tried this myself, but the Ajax.Autocompleter from
>  Scriptaculous allows you to supply arbitrary HTML within the <li>
>  elements that it renders, so I think you could include img tags in
>  there.
>
>  http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Ajax.Autocompleter
>
>  Josh
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Mark Bennett
>  <mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > I've been meaning to do this as well.  IIRC it looked like it was going to
>  > require some non-trivial html and css to get it to render right.  The
>  > example that I was planning to follow for the markup portion was the jira
>  > issue tracker (create new issue).
>  >
>  > Mark
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Has anyone ever built a drop-down/select box with images/thumbnails
>  > embedded inside it? I'd like to display a list of products that the user can
>  > select, and beside each product I want to show a small pic of the product
>  > itself. This obviously requires a custom select field of some sort, but my
>  > Googling hasn't turned up much so far. I have some ideas about how to write
>  > this from scratch, but if there is an existing Rails plugin out there I'd
>  > rather use it to save time.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Thanks,
>  > > Matthew
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  >  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>  >
>

From steve at iannopollo.com  Fri Feb 29 11:53:07 2008
From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:53:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEFC0926-1026-4755-AB48-DD8CBC2B5941@iannopollo.com>

Unfortunately, if you read around at the Google help center you find  
out the pay version of Google Apps does not lift the 500 email per day  
restriction. I have a client who is using Google Apps for his emailing  
so we just set up 20 different accounts and randomly mail from one  
each time an email is sent out, so the effective daily limit then  
becomes 10,000. Google lets you create 200 of those accounts out of  
the box, so it is technically scaleable, but I echo the person who  
said using their console panel makes you want to put a gun to your  
head, especially if you have to do the same thing for 20+ accounts!

-Steve


On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Russell Christopher wrote:

> I'm looking at Rails mailing options and GMail smtp works but is  
> limited to I think 500 per day per account. Apparently the non free  
> Google Apps removes that limit, anyone have any experience with  
> Google Apps? I don't currently have a need for greater than 500 per  
> day nor do I really anticipate any but that could be due to lack of  
> experience with higher volume apps.
>
> Thanks, as this discussion does benefit me as a Rails and Rails  
> stack newbie
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tony Spencer  
> <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> Matthew
> The email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to  
> Fusemail.net and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of  
> what the DNS record needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that  
> always get me:
>
> <slicehost-1.jpg>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:
>
>> I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year  
>> ago and am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to  
>> setup email forwarders through their control panel. I hate having  
>> to install email on the server just to forward a few addresses to  
>> my main accounts. But that's a minor quibble.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>> Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one  
>> issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know  
>> how everything should be set its no issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated  
>>> server that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's  
>>> easier to scale up if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost,  
>>> media temple (dv), or joyent. I am leaning towards either  
>>> slicehost or media template.
>>>
>>> How has slicehost been?
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're  
>>> part of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the  
>>> discount, that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
>>>
>>> http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/ 
>>> deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is  
>>> not an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you  
>>> had a good experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> James Avery
>>> Infozerk Inc.
>>> http://www.infozerk.com  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 14:16:50 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:16:50 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <BEFC0926-1026-4755-AB48-DD8CBC2B5941@iannopollo.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
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It appears the GMail "premier addition" is not suitable for > 500 per day
per account either. Looks like Google doesn't want GMail used in that way.
Spammers they say.



On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Steve Iannopollo <steve at iannopollo.com>
wrote:

> Unfortunately, if you read around at the Google help center you find out
> the pay version of Google Apps does not lift the 500 email per day
> restriction. I have a client who is using Google Apps for his emailing so we
> just set up 20 different accounts and randomly mail from one each time an
> email is sent out, so the effective daily limit then becomes 10,000. Google
> lets you create 200 of those accounts out of the box, so it is technically
> scaleable, but I echo the person who said using their console panel makes
> you want to put a gun to your head, especially if you have to do the same
> thing for 20+ accounts!
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Russell Christopher wrote:
>
> I'm looking at Rails mailing options and GMail smtp works but is limited
> to I think 500 per day per account. Apparently the non free Google Apps
> removes that limit, anyone have any experience with Google Apps? I don't
> currently have a need for greater than 500 per day nor do I really
> anticipate any but that could be due to lack of experience with higher
> volume apps.
>
> Thanks, as this discussion does benefit me as a Rails and Rails stack
> newbie
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com>
> wrote:
>
> > MatthewThe email issue is pain.  I finally just outsourced it to
> > Fusemail.net and the headache is gone.  Attached is a screenshot of what
> > the DNS record needs to look like. Its those trailing dots that always get
> > me:
> >
> > <slicehost-1.jpg>
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:
> >
> > I've had no issues either. I switched from TextDrive over a year ago and
> > am quite happy. The only thing I'd like is some way to setup email
> > forwarders through their control panel. I hate having to install email on
> > the server just to forward a few addresses to my main accounts. But that's a
> > minor quibble.
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 2/27/08, Tony Spencer <nospam at tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely perfect for me.  I have 5 slices and have never had one
> > > issue.  The DNS panel is a little funky to me but now that I know how
> > > everything should be set its no issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:10 AM, James Avery wrote:
> > >
> > > I am interested in this as well. Right now I have a dedicated server
> > > that isn't a VPS, but I want to switch to a VPS so it's easier to scale up
> > > if I need to. I have been looking at slicehost, media temple (dv), or
> > > joyent. I am leaning towards either slicehost or media template.
> > >
> > > How has slicehost been?
> > >
> > > -James
> > >
> > > On 2/27/08, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Noticed this today... get $10 off a VPS at SilverRack if you're part
> > > > of a Ruby user group. Which, incidentally, you are! With the discount,
> > > > that's $10/month for a 256 MB slice. Not a bad deal.
> > > >
> > > > http://earthcode.com/blog/2008/02/deprec2_mongrel_nginx_rails_my.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've never used SilverRack myself (I'm a Slicehoster) so this is not
> > > > an endorsement. What does everyone else use as a VPS? Have you had a good
> > > > experience? Bad experience? Anyone you'd recommend?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matthew
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Avery
> > > Infozerk Inc.
> > > http://www.infozerk.com_______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
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From tj at stank.us  Fri Feb 29 14:27:42 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:27:42 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <575ed91c0802291116v355e83fbwe0c43a80f8add169@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEFC0926-1026-4755-AB48-DD8CBC2B5941@iannopollo.com>
	<575ed91c0802291116v355e83fbwe0c43a80f8add169@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25a5bb60802291127h64067b6bhaa8d13f1150bd902@mail.gmail.com>

> It appears the GMail "premier addition" is not suitable for > 500 per day
> per account either. Looks like Google doesn't want GMail used in that way.
> Spammers they say.

Perhaps an SMTP mail relay is the way to go?

I haven't used one before, but there's some info out there for using
and configuring:

http://pauldowman.com/2008/02/17/smtp-mail-from-ec2-web-server-setup/
http://dynamite.errfree.com/posts/75-guaranteeing-email-delivery

-TJ

From lindsay at TSMworks.com  Fri Feb 29 16:51:57 2008
From: lindsay at TSMworks.com (Lindsay Morris)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:51:57 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Drop-down with thumbnails inside it
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390802290625v7d8d316wd3b44a89b587bf17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802290625v7d8d316wd3b44a89b587bf17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C3C@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>

We run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
Then we we run those tests individually, and they PASS!

This is passing strange.
Any ideas?


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From lindsay at TSMworks.com  Fri Feb 29 16:48:58 2008
From: lindsay at TSMworks.com (Lindsay Morris)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:48:58 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors, but the Individual tests pass?
Message-ID: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>

Here's a strange one:

I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!

This is passing strange.
Any ideas?


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From redinger at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 16:59:38 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:59:38 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors,
	but the Individual tests pass?
In-Reply-To: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
References: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
Message-ID: <681d4e8f0802291359g59e502f7g610c7eecda9a1372@mail.gmail.com>

Do they use fixtures that aren't being loaded properly?

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay at tsmworks.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Here's a strange one:
>
>
>
> I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
>
> Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!
>
>
>
> This is passing strange.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------
>
> Mr. Lindsay Morris
>
> Principal
>
> TSMworks, Inc.
>
> lindsay at tsmworks.com
>
> 859-539-9900
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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From lindsay at TSMworks.com  Fri Feb 29 17:03:26 2008
From: lindsay at TSMworks.com (Lindsay Morris)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:03:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors,
 but the Individual tests pass?
In-Reply-To: <681d4e8f0802291359g59e502f7g610c7eecda9a1372@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
	<681d4e8f0802291359g59e502f7g610c7eecda9a1372@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C49@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>

I must have been unclear.
"rake test" says
........EEEEE........

But "ruby test/unit/thingy-that-caused-the-EEE" says
.....

Unit tests are idempotent, right? One should have no effect on another.

Scratching hard over here....


-----Original Message-----
From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Redinger
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:00 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors, but the Individual tests pass?

Do they use fixtures that aren't being loaded properly?

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay at tsmworks.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Here's a strange one:
>
>
>
> I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
>
> Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!
>
>
>
> This is passing strange.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------
>
> Mr. Lindsay Morris
>
> Principal
>
> TSMworks, Inc.
>
> lindsay at tsmworks.com
>
> 859-539-9900
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 17:07:23 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:07:23 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors,
	but the Individual tests pass?
In-Reply-To: <681d4e8f0802291359g59e502f7g610c7eecda9a1372@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
	<681d4e8f0802291359g59e502f7g610c7eecda9a1372@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0802291407l450c4d03wb6820f2fe59806a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/29/08, Christopher Redinger <redinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>  On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay at tsmworks.com> wrote:
>  > I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
>  >
>  > Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!> Do they use fixtures that aren't being loaded properly?

Yep, that's the most common case for things like this.  Generally it's
that the tests aren't isolated and one or more tests is leaving stuff
behind which affects others.

Recently I wrote a rails patch, and I found a case where  a base rails
testcase was monkeypatching code causing my test, which ran later
under rake, to fail.  So I submitted a patch to fix the existing test
as well to use mocking instead of monkeypatching.

And fixtures can do weird things. I've also seen cases where testcases
fail when run individually but pass when run under rake, because the
failing testcase didn't properly declare needed fixtures and they were
being left in the test db by a preceding testcase.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From lindsay at TSMworks.com  Fri Feb 29 17:31:30 2008
From: lindsay at TSMworks.com (Lindsay Morris)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:31:30 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] FW:  test suite has errors,
 but the Individual tests pass?
Message-ID: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C57@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>

... and it only happens on Ubuntu;
Same code on Mac has no errors either way.

Treating as a curiosity for now.  Thanks for the replies, but I'm not concerned anymore.


-----Original Message-----
From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Morris
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:03 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors, but the Individual tests pass?

I must have been unclear.
"rake test" says
........EEEEE........

But "ruby test/unit/thingy-that-caused-the-EEE" says
.....

Unit tests are idempotent, right? One should have no effect on another.

Scratching hard over here....


-----Original Message-----
From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Redinger
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:00 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors, but the Individual tests pass?

Do they use fixtures that aren't being loaded properly?

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay at tsmworks.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Here's a strange one:
>
>
>
> I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
>
> Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!
>
>
>
> This is passing strange.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------
>
> Mr. Lindsay Morris
>
> Principal
>
> TSMworks, Inc.
>
> lindsay at tsmworks.com
>
> 859-539-9900
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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From tj at stank.us  Fri Feb 29 17:37:35 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:37:35 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] FW: test suite has errors,
	but the Individual tests pass?
In-Reply-To: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C57@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
References: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C57@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
Message-ID: <f25a5bb60802291437l484036e0gd581aadeef692d13@mail.gmail.com>

> ... and it only happens on Ubuntu;
>  Same code on Mac has no errors either way.

An example of errors not happening on Mac, but happening on another platform:

http://blog.thinkrelevance.com/2008/1/31/rails-plugin-authors-on-os-x-beware

May not apply to your situation, but an interesting read nonetheless.

-TJ

From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Fri Feb 29 18:08:20 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:08:20 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors,
	but the Individual tests pass?
In-Reply-To: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
References: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
Message-ID: <4ce336a20802291508o1d63f883md7e38a35384e7e6b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay at tsmworks.com> wrote:

> Here's a strange one:
>
> I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
>
> Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!
>
> This is passing strange.
>
> Any ideas?

Not sure if it applies, but one gotcha that can cause these symptoms
(failure in larger suite, success individually) is two test cases with
different file names but identical class names. Usually this is the
result of a copy/paste.

HTH,


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Fri Feb 29 19:46:42 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:46:42 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] test suite has errors,
	but the Individual tests pass?
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20802291508o1d63f883md7e38a35384e7e6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D2C6AB7E6EDFD94788D27D1F537FCC3801CE631C38@VMBX102.ihostexchange.net>
	<4ce336a20802291508o1d63f883md7e38a35384e7e6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10802291646h768efbdetc4238f67ad3c710e@mail.gmail.com>

The post pointed out earlier on the relevance blog almost certainly makes me
think that you have a fixture loading problem.  OS X and linux load files in
different orders.  You most likely have some tests that don't isolate the
intent properly.  We have encountered this in a few places at relevance and
our solution for unit tests has been to move to unit record.  You can
install it via

gem install unit_record

Using this along with mocha (or insert your favorite mock framework here)
and removing fixtures from your tests all together will make your tests not
have the current problem you are having and also make them run much much
faster.

Aaron

On 2/29/08, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay at tsmworks.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Here's a strange one:
> >
> > I run rake test, and get 5 Errors.
> >
> > Then I run those tests individually, and they PASS!
> >
> > This is passing strange.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
>
> Not sure if it applies, but one gotcha that can cause these symptoms
> (failure in larger suite, success individually) is two test cases with
> different file names but identical class names. Usually this is the
> result of a copy/paste.
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
> --
> Nathaniel Talbott
> <:((><
>
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From mikehale at gmail.com  Fri Feb 29 22:21:53 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:21:53 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <f25a5bb60802291127h64067b6bhaa8d13f1150bd902@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>
	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>
	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>
	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEFC0926-1026-4755-AB48-DD8CBC2B5941@iannopollo.com>
	<575ed91c0802291116v355e83fbwe0c43a80f8add169@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60802291127h64067b6bhaa8d13f1150bd902@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b7455190802291921s6c912f82vf9e6531d07905176@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the links TJ, I found that first article very informative.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM, TJ Stankus <tj at stank.us> wrote:
> > It appears the GMail "premier addition" is not suitable for > 500 per day
>  > per account either. Looks like Google doesn't want GMail used in that way.
>  > Spammers they say.
>
>  Perhaps an SMTP mail relay is the way to go?
>
>  I haven't used one before, but there's some info out there for using
>  and configuring:
>
>  http://pauldowman.com/2008/02/17/smtp-mail-from-ec2-web-server-setup/
>  http://dynamite.errfree.com/posts/75-guaranteeing-email-delivery
>
>  -TJ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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