From jeffm.keating at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 09:51:06 2008
From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (Jeff Keating)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:51:06 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] cleaning spit off macbook screen...
Message-ID: <dbf7d70a0803010651r7a24108cs2d1b6b408b05b9b9@mail.gmail.com>

Ok -- so I have, well... you know... spit, I guess... Little bits of it all
over my shiny black macbook screen...
Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do y'all use to really give a good
screen cleaning?

-jeff
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From steve at iannopollo.com  Sat Mar  1 10:28:01 2008
From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:28:01 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] cleaning spit off macbook screen...
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0803010651r7a24108cs2d1b6b408b05b9b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbf7d70a0803010651r7a24108cs2d1b6b408b05b9b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DC22BC0-AF4F-4906-B251-B8FA3AA8C942@iannopollo.com>

I recently cleaned my screen off after a year of, well, not cleaning  
it. I just went to staples and bought the container of monitor  
cleaning wipes and went to town on my screen with those and a soft  
cloth (cotton rag). I would wipe the screen with the wipes, and then  
try to wipe up the crud left behind with a soft cloth. I probably had  
to go through about 6 rounds of wiping with the wipes and then  
polishing with the cloth. I had a lot of finger grease and junk, so  
your spit might not be as bad. I was surprised though at how much I  
had to scrub the screen with the wipes though. It didn't seem to leave  
any marks, so I guess it didn't hurt the screen.

-Steve


On Mar 1, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Jeff Keating wrote:

> Ok -- so I have, well... you know... spit, I guess... Little bits of  
> it all over my shiny black macbook screen...
>
> Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do y'all use to really give  
> a good screen cleaning?
>
> -jeff
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From david.lanouette at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 10:33:20 2008
From: david.lanouette at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:33:20 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] cleaning spit off macbook screen...
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0803010651r7a24108cs2d1b6b408b05b9b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbf7d70a0803010651r7a24108cs2d1b6b408b05b9b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f57b85d60803010733w53f6e25sd60f7822f8db2f91@mail.gmail.com>

Not Mac specific:  Most LCD's and clear plastic parts can be cleaned
with regular window cleaner and a soft cotton cloth.  Just make sure
it doesn't have ammonia - that can make the plastic hazy.


HTH




On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Jeff Keating <jeffm.keating at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok -- so I have, well... you know... spit, I guess... Little bits of it all
> over my shiny black macbook screen...
>
> Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do y'all use to really give a good
> screen cleaning?
>
> -jeff

From mshiltonj at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 11:11:21 2008
From: mshiltonj at gmail.com (Steven Hilton)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:11:21 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Testing for existence of a constant?
Message-ID: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to test for the existence of a ruby constant without
raising a NameError if it has not been initialized?

-- 
Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
<http://mshiltonj.com/>

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect
 his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."   --  John F. Kennedy

"There is no heart so black
  as the black, black heart
  of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk

From brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 11:16:31 2008
From: brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com (brenton leanhardt)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:16:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Testing for existence of a constant?
In-Reply-To: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c0835400803010816k321b02f9jfa0d8385fd158386@mail.gmail.com>

Module#const_defined? is probably what you are looking for (running
'ri defined' is how I found it).  Also, I haven't actually tried this
out yet but I came across "try()" on Ruby Inside this morning:
http://ozmm.org/posts/try.html

--Brenton

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a way to test for the existence of a ruby constant without
>  raising a NameError if it has not been initialized?
>
>  --
>  Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
>  <http://mshiltonj.com/>
>
>  "It is the duty of the patriot to protect
>   his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine
>
>  "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>   will make violent revolution inevitable."   --  John F. Kennedy
>
>  "There is no heart so black
>   as the black, black heart
>   of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk
>  _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From z at zworkbench.com  Sat Mar  1 11:18:17 2008
From: z at zworkbench.com (Chris Garrett)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:18:17 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Testing for existence of a constant?
In-Reply-To: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82883b650803010818i5fee2741mdd7372b2a5111f93@mail.gmail.com>

if defined? MY_CONSTANT
...
end

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to test for the existence of a ruby constant without
> raising a NameError if it has not been initialized?
>
> --
> Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
> <http://mshiltonj.com/>
>
> "It is the duty of the patriot to protect
>  his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine
>
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>  will make violent revolution inevitable."   --  John F. Kennedy
>
> "There is no heart so black
>  as the black, black heart
>  of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From mshiltonj at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 11:27:55 2008
From: mshiltonj at gmail.com (Steven Hilton)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:27:55 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Testing for existence of a constant?
In-Reply-To: <82883b650803010818i5fee2741mdd7372b2a5111f93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>
	<82883b650803010818i5fee2741mdd7372b2a5111f93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8308260d0803010827v923f6ack5386848ddf1f62cb@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Chris Garrett <z at zworkbench.com> wrote:
> if defined? MY_CONSTANT
> ...
> end
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there a way to test for the existence of a ruby constant without
> > raising a NameError if it has not been initialized?

-- 
Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
<http://mshiltonj.com/>

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect
 his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."   --  John F. Kennedy

"There is no heart so black
  as the black, black heart
  of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk

From BeLucid at acm.org  Sun Mar  2 20:28:05 2008
From: BeLucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:28:05 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] $10 of VPS at SilverRack
In-Reply-To: <f25a5bb60802291127h64067b6bhaa8d13f1150bd902@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390802270307n23315c38l3fda2e3c1d37a27e@mail.gmail.com>	<20af90580802270610h42e6d123oc5561893c78e0585@mail.gmail.com>	<51F196F4-52CD-4DB2-BD45-E32F37664ACD@tonyspencer.com>	<c2eae3390802270655y12974c43o93ce8f99803f1f69@mail.gmail.com>	<9B2299D5-4619-4A05-90DA-68979303EFCC@tonyspencer.com>	<575ed91c0802270732k2559e98byd849d20cf76e5dfb@mail.gmail.com>	<BEFC0926-1026-4755-AB48-DD8CBC2B5941@iannopollo.com>	<575ed91c0802291116v355e83fbwe0c43a80f8add169@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60802291127h64067b6bhaa8d13f1150bd902@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CB5425.9060705@acm.org>

I've used dyndns.com for years as an SMTP mail relay. They've never once 
had an outage that I became aware of and they appear to do a good job of 
keeping off spammer black lists. Highly recommended.

Sean


TJ Stankus wrote:
>> It appears the GMail "premier addition" is not suitable for > 500 per day
>> per account either. Looks like Google doesn't want GMail used in that way.
>> Spammers they say.
>>     
>
> Perhaps an SMTP mail relay is the way to go?
>
> I haven't used one before, but there's some info out there for using
> and configuring:
>
> http://pauldowman.com/2008/02/17/smtp-mail-from-ec2-web-server-setup/
> http://dynamite.errfree.com/posts/75-guaranteeing-email-delivery
>
> -TJ
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>   

From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 08:44:10 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:44:10 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Testing for existence of a constant?
In-Reply-To: <8308260d0803010827v923f6ack5386848ddf1f62cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8308260d0803010811i1bb7e9c4s832fa17ccf5fab44@mail.gmail.com>
	<82883b650803010818i5fee2741mdd7372b2a5111f93@mail.gmail.com>
	<8308260d0803010827v923f6ack5386848ddf1f62cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <575ed91c0803030544w687748eco2d867054bd668368@mail.gmail.com>

Module#const_defined? method does not look outside the module unlike
Module#const_get method which will also look in the enclosing scope and the
inheritance hierarchy for a constant (and finally const_missing method). It
appears that mod.const_defined?("some_const") is equivalent to
mod.constants.include?("some_const")

defined? has somewhat similar properties in that it doesn't search for a
constant either i.e. the constant must be fully qualified for defined? to
work

I had a similar need recently where the code branched depending upon if a
constant had been defined by any enclosing scope. The only way it worked fo
me was to do a const_get and rescue the NameError exception.

HTH and corrections or further insight are welcome



On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Chris Garrett <z at zworkbench.com> wrote:
> > if defined? MY_CONSTANT
> > ...
> > end
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there a way to test for the existence of a ruby constant without
> > > raising a NameError if it has not been initialized?
>
> --
> Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
> <http://mshiltonj.com/>
>
> "It is the duty of the patriot to protect
>  his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine
>
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>  will make violent revolution inevitable."   --  John F. Kennedy
>
> "There is no heart so black
>  as the black, black heart
>  of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 09:42:09 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:42:09 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] rspec stories (newbie question)
Message-ID: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>

Are stories being written? :)  By who?

Background: I've a working knowledge of rspec (sans stories) and find it
pretty agreeable save for some weird namespace behavior occasionally which I
can always work around but still don't understand fully (but will, I think,
given iore time and practice with rspec). I come from a more traditional
waterfall background where "use case"/functional spec (in word pro format)
were the norm from "users" so rspec stories are a little foreign to my
experience.

I'm wondering how rspec stories are working in the real world. Are users
able to grok the stories DSL and write meaningful specs that everyone can
work with? Or are stories still an emerging technology limited to the Ruby
environment?

Thanks
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From z at zworkbench.com  Mon Mar  3 14:53:01 2008
From: z at zworkbench.com (Chris Garrett)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:53:01 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Mac only: Time Machine & log files
Message-ID: <82883b650803031153m3a507fffwf69986b547e02ac7@mail.gmail.com>

Quick note for you Leopard users out there.  It's obvious in hindsight, but
didn't occur to me until I found the problem:

Time Machine is great, but I noticed recently that it started bogging down
my laptop, and that my 600GB disk was already almost full.  I discovered
that it was faithfully backing up my 4GB test log file that was long overdue
for a delete.  Since I use autotest, it _always_ needs to back it up.

Obviously rm *.log fixed the problem, and it wouldn't hurt to play with the
rakefile and time machine settings also.

czg
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From otto.hammersmith at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 15:33:59 2008
From: otto.hammersmith at gmail.com (Otto Hammersmith)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:33:59 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Mac only: Time Machine & log files
In-Reply-To: <82883b650803031153m3a507fffwf69986b547e02ac7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82883b650803031153m3a507fffwf69986b547e02ac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6cf62600803031233m2c3fe5elca174026efddd92b@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, did you end up deleting it from the backups?  Is there even a way to
do that?  (I have some big files that I left around that probably could free
up a good few gig on my Time Machine drive.)

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Chris Garrett <z at zworkbench.com> wrote:

>
> Quick note for you Leopard users out there.  It's obvious in hindsight,
> but didn't occur to me until I found the problem:
>
> Time Machine is great, but I noticed recently that it started bogging down
> my laptop, and that my 600GB disk was already almost full.  I discovered
> that it was faithfully backing up my 4GB test log file that was long overdue
> for a delete.  Since I use autotest, it _always_ needs to back it up.
>
> Obviously rm *.log fixed the problem, and it wouldn't hurt to play with
> the rakefile and time machine settings also.
>
> czg
>
> _______________________________________________
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From BeLucid at acm.org  Mon Mar  3 19:19:59 2008
From: BeLucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:19:59 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] rspec stories (newbie question)
In-Reply-To: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CC95AF.3080602@acm.org>

Russell,

    Peepcode.com has a good $9 screen cast on rspec stories. You may 
still not want to use them... but you'll "get" them by the end of the 50 
odd minutes.

Thanks,
Sean

Russell Christopher wrote:
> Are stories being written? :)  By who?
>
> Background: I've a working knowledge of rspec (sans stories) and find 
> it pretty agreeable save for some weird namespace behavior 
> occasionally which I can always work around but still don't understand 
> fully (but will, I think, given iore time and practice with rspec). I 
> come from a more traditional waterfall background where "use 
> case"/functional spec (in word pro format) were the norm from "users" 
> so rspec stories are a little foreign to my experience.
>
> I'm wondering how rspec stories are working in the real world. Are 
> users able to grok the stories DSL and write meaningful specs that 
> everyone can work with? Or are stories still an emerging technology 
> limited to the Ruby environment?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

From rafeco at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 20:03:41 2008
From: rafeco at gmail.com (Rafe Colburn)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:03:41 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] job opening: web programmer
Message-ID: <d93b198b0803031703s5be2e9a7ifdbf635418c1a99b@mail.gmail.com>

 The Web design/app development firm I work for, Hesketh.com, has an
open position for a developer.  We do a substantial amount of Rails
work, and also do a good amount of work with PHP and of course a lot
of HTML and JavaScript.  We even do some Java every now and then.

 If you (or someone you know) is interested, please shoot me an email.
This is the perfect job for someone who's an excellent PHP hacker and
wants to move down the road into Rails development. If you're doing
Rails full time now and want to keep doing that, it's probably not the
best position as we don't have enough Rails work for anyone do to
Rails exclusively.

 Here's a link to the job posting:

http://hesketh.com/about/careers/web_programmer.html

 --Rafe

From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 09:13:57 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:13:57 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] rspec stories (newbie question)
In-Reply-To: <47CC95AF.3080602@acm.org>
References: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CC95AF.3080602@acm.org>
Message-ID: <575ed91c0803040613h7b554944uce954532e4506ceb@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sean, the stories peepcode video does look like what I need to get
started experimenting with rspec stories. The peepcode says that stories
tech is experimental but usable and that while stories can come from users
most likely at the moment stories are written by the developer.  After
viewing the video, I "get" it but I'd still need to write some stories to
get an idea if I want to use them or not. They look a little brittle and
confusing where errors actually occur but the payoff could be worth it i.e.
sticking to implementing user needs

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Sean Johnson <BeLucid at acm.org> wrote:

> Russell,
>
>    Peepcode.com has a good $9 screen cast on rspec stories. You may
> still not want to use them... but you'll "get" them by the end of the 50
> odd minutes.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
> Russell Christopher wrote:
> > Are stories being written? :)  By who?
> >
> > Background: I've a working knowledge of rspec (sans stories) and find
> > it pretty agreeable save for some weird namespace behavior
> > occasionally which I can always work around but still don't understand
> > fully (but will, I think, given iore time and practice with rspec). I
> > come from a more traditional waterfall background where "use
> > case"/functional spec (in word pro format) were the norm from "users"
> > so rspec stories are a little foreign to my experience.
> >
> > I'm wondering how rspec stories are working in the real world. Are
> > users able to grok the stories DSL and write meaningful specs that
> > everyone can work with? Or are stories still an emerging technology
> > limited to the Ruby environment?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From BeLucid at acm.org  Tue Mar  4 10:33:44 2008
From: BeLucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:33:44 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] rspec stories (newbie question)
In-Reply-To: <575ed91c0803040613h7b554944uce954532e4506ceb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>	<47CC95AF.3080602@acm.org>
	<575ed91c0803040613h7b554944uce954532e4506ceb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CD6BD8.3020004@acm.org>

Russell,

I think you hit the nail on the head with calling them "experimental". 
I've yet to run into anyone that uses them, even rspec zealots who 
religiously do TDD don't seem to be using them. I've yet to find what I 
felt was the right project to try them with, so I'm eager to learn by 
proxy from what you find out. Be sure to post back to the group with 
your thoughts after you give them a shot.

rspecing w/o stories,
Sean


Russell Christopher wrote:
> Thanks Sean, the stories peepcode video does look like what I need to 
> get started experimenting with rspec stories. The peepcode says that 
> stories tech is experimental but usable and that while stories can 
> come from users most likely at the moment stories are written by the 
> developer.  After viewing the video, I "get" it but I'd still need to 
> write some stories to get an idea if I want to use them or not. They 
> look a little brittle and confusing where errors actually occur but 
> the payoff could be worth it i.e. sticking to implementing user needs
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Sean Johnson <BeLucid at acm.org 
> <mailto:BeLucid at acm.org>> wrote:
>
>     Russell,
>
>        Peepcode.com <http://Peepcode.com> has a good $9 screen cast on
>     rspec stories. You may
>     still not want to use them... but you'll "get" them by the end of
>     the 50
>     odd minutes.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Sean
>
>     Russell Christopher wrote:
>     > Are stories being written? :)  By who?
>     >
>     > Background: I've a working knowledge of rspec (sans stories) and
>     find
>     > it pretty agreeable save for some weird namespace behavior
>     > occasionally which I can always work around but still don't
>     understand
>     > fully (but will, I think, given iore time and practice with
>     rspec). I
>     > come from a more traditional waterfall background where "use
>     > case"/functional spec (in word pro format) were the norm from
>     "users"
>     > so rspec stories are a little foreign to my experience.
>     >
>     > I'm wondering how rspec stories are working in the real world. Are
>     > users able to grok the stories DSL and write meaningful specs that
>     > everyone can work with? Or are stories still an emerging technology
>     > limited to the Ruby environment?
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>     > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
>     > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>     _______________________________________________
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>     raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
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From martin.streicher at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 10:41:26 2008
From: martin.streicher at gmail.com (Martin Streicher)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:41:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Senior Software Developer with Rails experience open
	now
Message-ID: <45F98A80-0AD7-47E0-943B-C01266226F1E@gmail.com>

Hello, Raleigh Ruby Brigade!

I am pleased to announce that McClatchy Interactive has two open  
positions for senior software developers. The group is doing extensive  
work in Rails and the project is exciting and novel.

Please read the job description below and contact me if you would like  
to apply. Please feel free to pass this along to others.

Thanks.
Martin




As a Senior Software Developer at McClatchy Interactive, you will  
design, develop, deploy, and maintain software and systems that power  
the Web sites of thirty-one major metropolitan daily newspapers and an  
additional fifty weekly, community papers.

McClatchy Interactive is a stalwart proponent of open source. Today,  
Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl, Template Toolkit, Ruby on Rails, PHP,  
Solr, and many other open source products form the foundation of the  
company's Web application infrastructure. The company's primary data  
center is composed of commodity hardware, largely x86 blades. A  
combination of home-grown tools and open source packages monitor  
uptime 24/7.

Currently, McClatchy Interactive is re-architecting its entire content  
management system. The back-end is a grid of Ruby on Rails applets  
based on open source and proprietary plugins. The front-end is a rich  
Internet application written in Flex 3. The renovated system also  
includes distributed processing, centralized log and monitoring  
components, a search engine farm, intelligent cache farms, and more.  
The end-result will be a scalable, extensible, and highly-modular  
system that can adapt readily to new applications. Development is  
ongoing.

If you can demonstrate three or more of the following requirements,  
please consider applying for the Senior Software Developer position.

* Superlative coding skills. Your code is clean, concise, and  
efficient. You refactor. You leverage existing code. You can "crank."  
You think in C, Perl, or Ruby.

* Extraordinary focus. You keep it simple. You code just enough and no  
more. You say "no" to feature creep.

* An excellent command of written and spoken English. You illuminate  
your decisions. You provide constructive feedback to your peers. You  
comment code and document your designs. You can intelligently debate  
critical issues, say Emacs vs. vim.

* A track record of success. You can point to a large Web site you  
built. Your name is in the credits of commercial software. Your code  
is still operational, even after all these years. You survived the  
Bubble. Your old boss regularly offers you a new job.

* Mastery of Linux. You can build and administer a departmental  
server. You can code in C and regularly use gdb. You can build your  
own kernel.

* A geek streak. You tinker. You learn constantly. You buy books. You  
have a pet project (or ten). You speak in acronyms during Thanksgiving  
dinner.

* Live in or near Raleigh, NC. The offices of McClatchy Interactive  
are located just down the street from Cary Crossroads.

The salary range for the Senior Software Developer job is  
$80,000-110,000. Salary is commensurate with experience and  
demonstrable ability. Benefits are competitive.


McClatchy Interactive is a rare company: Simultaneously, it offers  
software as a service (SaaS), is an Internet service provider (ISP), a  
hosting company, a software company, and a collection of nearly one  
hundred highly-trafficked Web sites.

The Senior Software Developer position is available immediately. If  
you would like to apply, please send your resume in PDF, Word, Pages,  
or text to mstreicher *at* mcclatchyinteractive *dot* com, or simply  
reply to this posting. Please, no calls.

To be considered for the position, you must have the permanent legal  
right to work in the United States. To be hired, you must pass a drug  
screening test.

Thank you for your consideration.

Martin Streicher, CTO
McClatchy Interactive
Raleigh, NC


(If you're playing buzzword bingo, be sure to mark SaaS, Rails, Flex,  
grid, and ISP on your card.)



From russell.christopher at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 11:46:36 2008
From: russell.christopher at gmail.com (Russell Christopher)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:46:36 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] rspec stories (newbie question)
In-Reply-To: <47CD6BD8.3020004@acm.org>
References: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CC95AF.3080602@acm.org>
	<575ed91c0803040613h7b554944uce954532e4506ceb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CD6BD8.3020004@acm.org>
Message-ID: <575ed91c0803040846g1d7d1107h58da83a3e918570d@mail.gmail.com>

"Be sure to post back to the group with
your thoughts after you give them a shot."

Will try that but don't hold your breath. Good point about the right
project, I would try it on a toy project first obviously. A quick perusal of
my gem directory didn't turn up any rspec stories except in rspec.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Sean Johnson <BeLucid at acm.org> wrote:

> Russell,
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head with calling them "experimental".
> I've yet to run into anyone that uses them, even rspec zealots who
> religiously do TDD don't seem to be using them. I've yet to find what I
> felt was the right project to try them with, so I'm eager to learn by
> proxy from what you find out. Be sure to post back to the group with
> your thoughts after you give them a shot.
>
> rspecing w/o stories,
> Sean
>
>
> Russell Christopher wrote:
> > Thanks Sean, the stories peepcode video does look like what I need to
> > get started experimenting with rspec stories. The peepcode says that
> > stories tech is experimental but usable and that while stories can
> > come from users most likely at the moment stories are written by the
> > developer.  After viewing the video, I "get" it but I'd still need to
> > write some stories to get an idea if I want to use them or not. They
> > look a little brittle and confusing where errors actually occur but
> > the payoff could be worth it i.e. sticking to implementing user needs
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Sean Johnson <BeLucid at acm.org
> > <mailto:BeLucid at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Russell,
> >
> >        Peepcode.com <http://Peepcode.com> has a good $9 screen cast on
> >     rspec stories. You may
> >     still not want to use them... but you'll "get" them by the end of
> >     the 50
> >     odd minutes.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >     Sean
> >
> >     Russell Christopher wrote:
> >     > Are stories being written? :)  By who?
> >     >
> >     > Background: I've a working knowledge of rspec (sans stories) and
> >     find
> >     > it pretty agreeable save for some weird namespace behavior
> >     > occasionally which I can always work around but still don't
> >     understand
> >     > fully (but will, I think, given iore time and practice with
> >     rspec). I
> >     > come from a more traditional waterfall background where "use
> >     > case"/functional spec (in word pro format) were the norm from
> >     "users"
> >     > so rspec stories are a little foreign to my experience.
> >     >
> >     > I'm wondering how rspec stories are working in the real world. Are
> >     > users able to grok the stories DSL and write meaningful specs that
> >     > everyone can work with? Or are stories still an emerging
> technology
> >     > limited to the Ruby environment?
> >     >
> >     > Thanks
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
> >     > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >     > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> >     > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >     raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> >     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> _______________________________________________
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From adam at thewilliams.ws  Tue Mar  4 12:14:28 2008
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:14:28 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] rspec stories (newbie question)
In-Reply-To: <575ed91c0803040846g1d7d1107h58da83a3e918570d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <575ed91c0803030642u5c10d227n90a26a490406201f@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CC95AF.3080602@acm.org>
	<575ed91c0803040613h7b554944uce954532e4506ceb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47CD6BD8.3020004@acm.org>
	<575ed91c0803040846g1d7d1107h58da83a3e918570d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E98BFF3-70DC-4BB4-A306-1252E210F77C@thewilliams.ws>

I've been wondering about stories myself. They remind me of aspects of  
Fit, without all the HTML of course ;)

If you'd like, you can use http://faithfulcode.rubyforge.org/docs/spec_integration 
  for integration testing Rails apps (I would be curious to know if  
other folks are integration testing Rails with another solution). This  
one is nice because it has things like submit_form, which verifies  
things about the forms you are submitting, and even has rubyredrick's  
file upload patch in it so that you can do multipart forms.

     aiwilliams

On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Russell Christopher wrote:

> "Be sure to post back to the group with
> your thoughts after you give them a shot."
>
> Will try that but don't hold your breath. Good point about the right  
> project, I would try it on a toy project first obviously. A quick  
> perusal of my gem directory didn't turn up any rspec stories except  
> in rspec.
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Sean Johnson <BeLucid at acm.org> wrote:
> Russell,
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head with calling them "experimental".
> I've yet to run into anyone that uses them, even rspec zealots who
> religiously do TDD don't seem to be using them. I've yet to find  
> what I
> felt was the right project to try them with, so I'm eager to learn by
> proxy from what you find out. Be sure to post back to the group with
> your thoughts after you give them a shot.
>
> rspecing w/o stories,
> Sean
>
>
> Russell Christopher wrote:
> > Thanks Sean, the stories peepcode video does look like what I need  
> to
> > get started experimenting with rspec stories. The peepcode says that
> > stories tech is experimental but usable and that while stories can
> > come from users most likely at the moment stories are written by the
> > developer.  After viewing the video, I "get" it but I'd still need  
> to
> > write some stories to get an idea if I want to use them or not. They
> > look a little brittle and confusing where errors actually occur but
> > the payoff could be worth it i.e. sticking to implementing user  
> needs
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Sean Johnson <BeLucid at acm.org
> > <mailto:BeLucid at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Russell,
> >
> >        Peepcode.com <http://Peepcode.com> has a good $9 screen  
> cast on
> >     rspec stories. You may
> >     still not want to use them... but you'll "get" them by the end  
> of
> >     the 50
> >     odd minutes.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >     Sean
> >
> >     Russell Christopher wrote:
> >     > Are stories being written? :)  By who?
> >     >
> >     > Background: I've a working knowledge of rspec (sans stories)  
> and
> >     find
> >     > it pretty agreeable save for some weird namespace behavior
> >     > occasionally which I can always work around but still don't
> >     understand
> >     > fully (but will, I think, given iore time and practice with
> >     rspec). I
> >     > come from a more traditional waterfall background where "use
> >     > case"/functional spec (in word pro format) were the norm from
> >     "users"
> >     > so rspec stories are a little foreign to my experience.
> >     >
> >     > I'm wondering how rspec stories are working in the real  
> world. Are
> >     > users able to grok the stories DSL and write meaningful  
> specs that
> >     > everyone can work with? Or are stories still an emerging  
> technology
> >     > limited to the Ruby environment?
> >     >
> >     > Thanks
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >      
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
> >     > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >     > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> >     > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >     raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> >     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> >  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From pelargir at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 17:29:33 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:29:33 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Boolean inconsistencies between sqlite and mysql
Message-ID: <c2eae3390803061429x25f2f4c4o492b2b40d84e4515@mail.gmail.com>

I've noticed some big inconsistencies between booleans on sqlite and mysql.
I want to do something like this:
SELECT * FROM some_table WHERE bool_column = true

However, sqlite only seems to accept this:

...WHERE bool_column = 't'

It won't accept any of these:

...WHERE bool_column = 1
...WHERE bool_column = true
...WHERE bool_column

Whereas, mysql will accept all of the latter, but won't accept the former. I
tried this too, but it didn't work for either:

...WHERE bool_column IN (1, 't')

The only Google reference I found that was even close to describing the
problem is this ancient Rails ticket that has allegedly been fixed:

http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/2356


Any ideas? I'm shocked that sqlite doesn't accept standard SQL syntax when
it comes to booleans. Surely I'm on crack.


Matthew
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From jared.haworth at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 18:07:03 2008
From: jared.haworth at gmail.com (Jared Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:07:03 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Boolean inconsistencies between sqlite and mysql
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390803061429x25f2f4c4o492b2b40d84e4515@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803061429x25f2f4c4o492b2b40d84e4515@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <817107C5-41BE-4CAF-AA7E-E601C515A58D@gmail.com>

Are you using raw SQL for the query?

It's more MySQL's fault, IMO, because they lack a true boolean  
datatype, and instead use a tinyint to store boolean values.

In any case, if you're using Active Record, you could always leave it  
up to the various DB adapters to handle it, and just use :conditions  
=> { :bool_column => true }... then the mapping gets handled properly  
for any database you're interfacing.

- Jared


On Mar 6, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Matthew Bass wrote:

> I've noticed some big inconsistencies between booleans on sqlite and  
> mysql. I want to do something like this:
>
> SELECT * FROM some_table WHERE bool_column = true
>
> However, sqlite only seems to accept this:
>
> ...WHERE bool_column = 't'
>
> It won't accept any of these:
>
> ...WHERE bool_column = 1
> ...WHERE bool_column = true
> ...WHERE bool_column
>
> Whereas, mysql will accept all of the latter, but won't accept the  
> former. I tried this too, but it didn't work for either:
>
> ...WHERE bool_column IN (1, 't')
>
> The only Google reference I found that was even close to describing  
> the problem is this ancient Rails ticket that has allegedly been  
> fixed:
>
> http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/2356
>
> Any ideas? I'm shocked that sqlite doesn't accept standard SQL  
> syntax when it comes to booleans. Surely I'm on crack.
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From pelargir at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 20:48:45 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:48:45 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Boolean inconsistencies between sqlite and mysql
In-Reply-To: <817107C5-41BE-4CAF-AA7E-E601C515A58D@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803061429x25f2f4c4o492b2b40d84e4515@mail.gmail.com>
	<817107C5-41BE-4CAF-AA7E-E601C515A58D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390803081748v6652204fr55515106b03a127d@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I was using raw SQL in a :conditions statement. Your suggestion was a
good one. Switching to a :conditions array, with the driver handling the
interpretation of the values, fixed the problem:
:conditions => [ "bool_column = ?", true ]

(I had to use an array instead of a hash because I have other pairs in the
query that use LIKE statements.) The query now returns the same results on
sqlite and mysql. Thanks!

Matthew

On 3/6/08, Jared Haworth <jared.haworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you using raw SQL for the query?
>
> It's more MySQL's fault, IMO, because they lack a true boolean datatype,
> and instead use a tinyint to store boolean values.
>
>
> In any case, if you're using Active Record, you could always leave it up
> to the various DB adapters to handle it, and just use :conditions => {
> :bool_column => true }... then the mapping gets handled properly for any
> database you're interfacing.
>
>
> - Jared
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Matthew Bass wrote:
>
> I've noticed some big inconsistencies between booleans on sqlite and
> mysql. I want to do something like this:
>
> SELECT * FROM some_table WHERE bool_column = true
>
>
> However, sqlite only seems to accept this:
>
>
> ...WHERE bool_column = 't'
>
> It won't accept any of these:
>
>
> ...WHERE bool_column = 1
> ...WHERE bool_column = true
> ...WHERE bool_column
>
> Whereas, mysql will accept all of the latter, but won't accept the former.
> I tried this too, but it didn't work for either:
>
>
> ...WHERE bool_column IN (1, 't')
>
>
> The only Google reference I found that was even close to describing the
> problem is this ancient Rails ticket that has allegedly been fixed:
> http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/2356
>
>
> Any ideas? I'm shocked that sqlite doesn't accept standard SQL syntax when
> it comes to booleans. Surely I'm on crack.
>
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 10:25:46 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:25:46 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
Message-ID: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>

I am, unfortunately, not going to be able to make the meetup next week. It's
killing me because I love lightning talks, but I have a prior commitment I
have to honor. And I didn't noticed it conflicted until now. Which makes me
angry at iCal. But that's another story...
I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast. It's
really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to use your
laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud. So keep
that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you need is
Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic works
just fine.

Show of hands? Anyone?

Matthew
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From crnixon at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 10:33:15 2008
From: crnixon at gmail.com (Clinton R. Nixon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:33:15 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast. It's
> really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to use your
> laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud. So keep
> that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you need is
> Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic works
> just fine.
>
> Show of hands? Anyone?

Matthew,

I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.

--
Clinton R. Nixon
Senior developer | Viget Labs
o: 703.891.0670 x7511
f:  703.832.0341
We build web business. Learn more: http://www.viget.com
Keep up with our Four Labs blog: http://blog.viget.com

From jerrod at indierockmedia.com  Wed Mar 12 10:42:29 2008
From: jerrod at indierockmedia.com (Jerrod Blavos)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:42:29 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF4F1312-1A87-432A-B4BB-3BAC302A3A4D@indierockmedia.com>

this may be a dumb question, but are the previous podcasts available  
somewhere? ive missed some that i wouldnt mind listening to. or  
listening to again.

-Jerrod

On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Clinton R. Nixon wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast.  
>> It's
>> really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to  
>> use your
>> laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud.  
>> So keep
>> that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you  
>> need is
>> Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic  
>> works
>> just fine.
>>
>> Show of hands? Anyone?
>
> Matthew,
>
> I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
> off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.
>
> --
> Clinton R. Nixon
> Senior developer | Viget Labs
> o: 703.891.0670 x7511
> f:  703.832.0341
> We build web business. Learn more: http://www.viget.com
> Keep up with our Four Labs blog: http://blog.viget.com
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 11:13:29 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:13:29 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <CF4F1312-1A87-432A-B4BB-3BAC302A3A4D@indierockmedia.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF4F1312-1A87-432A-B4BB-3BAC302A3A4D@indierockmedia.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390803120813i5762b70dg7c060ffc998df5a5@mail.gmail.com>

I started the podcast in January so the last two meetups are available here:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/raleighrb


Enjoy!


Matthew



On 3/12/08, Jerrod Blavos <jerrod at indierockmedia.com> wrote:
>
> this may be a dumb question, but are the previous podcasts available
> somewhere? ive missed some that i wouldnt mind listening to. or
> listening to again.
>
>
> -Jerrod
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Clinton R. Nixon wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast.
> >> It's
> >> really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to
> >> use your
> >> laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud.
> >> So keep
> >> that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you
> >> need is
> >> Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic
> >> works
> >> just fine.
> >>
> >> Show of hands? Anyone?
> >
> > Matthew,
> >
> > I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
> > off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.
> >
> > --
> > Clinton R. Nixon
> > Senior developer | Viget Labs
> > o: 703.891.0670 x7511
> > f:  703.832.0341
> > We build web business. Learn more: http://www.viget.com
> > Keep up with our Four Labs blog: http://blog.viget.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 11:15:06 2008
From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:15:06 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <CF4F1312-1A87-432A-B4BB-3BAC302A3A4D@indierockmedia.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF4F1312-1A87-432A-B4BB-3BAC302A3A4D@indierockmedia.com>
Message-ID: <b2e941150803120815w1e22f0d2p30302a29808ea5fa@mail.gmail.com>

There has been two recordings as far as i know.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/raleighrb

Mark

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Jerrod Blavos <jerrod at indierockmedia.com>
wrote:

> this may be a dumb question, but are the previous podcasts available
> somewhere? ive missed some that i wouldnt mind listening to. or
> listening to again.
>
> -Jerrod
>
> On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Clinton R. Nixon wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast.
> >> It's
> >> really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to
> >> use your
> >> laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud.
> >> So keep
> >> that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you
> >> need is
> >> Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic
> >> works
> >> just fine.
> >>
> >> Show of hands? Anyone?
> >
> > Matthew,
> >
> > I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
> > off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.
> >
> > --
> > Clinton R. Nixon
> > Senior developer | Viget Labs
> > o: 703.891.0670 x7511
> > f:  703.832.0341
> > We build web business. Learn more: http://www.viget.com
> > Keep up with our Four Labs blog: http://blog.viget.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Wed Mar 12 11:27:22 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:27:22 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
Message-ID: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>

Man I've hunted everywhere and tried everything to restart mysql but  
nothing seems to work.  Does anyone know how to restart mysql that was  
installed by gems?

From BeLucid at acm.org  Thu Mar 13 04:18:05 2008
From: BeLucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:18:05 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>

Tony,

    What platform? Mac? Windows? Linux?

    I'm a little confused by your question. As far as I know (and I 
certainly could be wrong), there is no gem install of mysql available.  
When you "gem install mysql" you are installing mysql drivers, not mysql 
itself. So your mysql instance must have come from somewhere else.

Thanks,
Sean


Tony Spencer wrote:
> Man I've hunted everywhere and tried everything to restart mysql but  
> nothing seems to work.  Does anyone know how to restart mysql that was  
> installed by gems?
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>   

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Thu Mar 13 13:19:55 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:19:55 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
	<47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
Message-ID: <05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>

Yeah its on Mac and I thought it was installed by gem but I guess  
not.  I can't recall really but I guess I installed from source:


So I've found this launchdaemon that suggests its running by:
/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe

So I try this:
sudo /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe stop

and it complains:
"A mysqld process already exists"

and indeed its not stopped.  This is the case for 2 machines here in  
the office running Leopard.


On Mar 13, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Sean Johnson wrote:

> Tony,
>
>    What platform? Mac? Windows? Linux?
>
>    I'm a little confused by your question. As far as I know (and I
> certainly could be wrong), there is no gem install of mysql available.
> When you "gem install mysql" you are installing mysql drivers, not  
> mysql
> itself. So your mysql instance must have come from somewhere else.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
>
> Tony Spencer wrote:
>> Man I've hunted everywhere and tried everything to restart mysql but
>> nothing seems to work.  Does anyone know how to restart mysql that  
>> was
>> installed by gems?
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>


From tj at stank.us  Thu Mar 13 13:49:35 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:49:35 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
	<47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
	<05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <f25a5bb60803131049g1b476ff5v481c1a878283bea5@mail.gmail.com>

>  So I've found this launchdaemon that suggests its running by:
>  /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe
>
>  So I try this:
>  sudo /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe stop
>
>  and it complains:
>  "A mysqld process already exists"
>
>  and indeed its not stopped.  This is the case for 2 machines here in
>  the office running Leopard.

Just a shot here... if you installed the MacOS X binary you probably
also installed a preference pane plugin. If you look in System
Preferences do you see a MySQL icon?

-TJ

From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Thu Mar 13 14:28:27 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:27 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <f25a5bb60803131049g1b476ff5v481c1a878283bea5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
	<47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
	<05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
	<f25a5bb60803131049g1b476ff5v481c1a878283bea5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEE2B7E0-5D5A-41D6-B76B-D19E6CD8C2A7@tonyspencer.com>

No I installed from source so there is not GUI in the preference pane.

On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:49 PM, TJ Stankus wrote:

>> So I've found this launchdaemon that suggests its running by:
>> /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe
>>
>> So I try this:
>> sudo /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe stop
>>
>> and it complains:
>> "A mysqld process already exists"
>>
>> and indeed its not stopped.  This is the case for 2 machines here in
>> the office running Leopard.
>
> Just a shot here... if you installed the MacOS X binary you probably
> also installed a preference pane plugin. If you look in System
> Preferences do you see a MySQL icon?
>
> -TJ
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>


From JBrenner at BBandT.com  Thu Mar 13 14:24:53 2008
From: JBrenner at BBandT.com (Brenner, Jonathon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:24:53 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
	<47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
	<05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <91864382B2433640BA2A447041B3DBC306A07E9B@wil-exmb01.bbtnet.com>

You can use mysqladmin to shut it down and then just restart it via the
mysqld binary if you want. e.g., mysqladmin -u root shutdown

There are also GUI tools available for OS X here:
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/gui-tools/5.0.html

The package for MySQL also includes a plugin for the System Preferences.
Just install it and you can manage the service right from there.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Spencer
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:20 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?

Yeah its on Mac and I thought it was installed by gem but I guess not.
I can't recall really but I guess I installed from source:


So I've found this launchdaemon that suggests its running by:
/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe

So I try this:
sudo /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe stop

and it complains:
"A mysqld process already exists"

and indeed its not stopped.  This is the case for 2 machines here in the
office running Leopard.


On Mar 13, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Sean Johnson wrote:

> Tony,
>
>    What platform? Mac? Windows? Linux?
>
>    I'm a little confused by your question. As far as I know (and I 
> certainly could be wrong), there is no gem install of mysql available.
> When you "gem install mysql" you are installing mysql drivers, not 
> mysql itself. So your mysql instance must have come from somewhere 
> else.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
>
> Tony Spencer wrote:
>> Man I've hunted everywhere and tried everything to restart mysql but 
>> nothing seems to work.  Does anyone know how to restart mysql that 
>> was installed by gems?
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

_______________________________________________
raleigh-rb-members mailing list
raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members



From jared.peterson at mac.com  Thu Mar 13 14:33:53 2008
From: jared.peterson at mac.com (Jared Peterson)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:33:53 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <FEE2B7E0-5D5A-41D6-B76B-D19E6CD8C2A7@tonyspencer.com>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
	<47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
	<05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
	<f25a5bb60803131049g1b476ff5v481c1a878283bea5@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEE2B7E0-5D5A-41D6-B76B-D19E6CD8C2A7@tonyspencer.com>
Message-ID: <44189A50-672B-4990-B400-C02522A9B8C4@mac.com>

This article may be of some assistance since you built from source:

http://hivelogic.com/articles/installing-mysql-on-mac-os-x/

On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Tony Spencer wrote:

> No I installed from source so there is not GUI in the preference pane.
>
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:49 PM, TJ Stankus wrote:
>
>>> So I've found this launchdaemon that suggests its running by:
>>> /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe
>>>
>>> So I try this:
>>> sudo /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe stop
>>>
>>> and it complains:
>>> "A mysqld process already exists"
>>>
>>> and indeed its not stopped.  This is the case for 2 machines here in
>>> the office running Leopard.
>>
>> Just a shot here... if you installed the MacOS X binary you probably
>> also installed a preference pane plugin. If you look in System
>> Preferences do you see a MySQL icon?
>>
>> -TJ
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From nospam at tonyspencer.com  Thu Mar 13 15:06:22 2008
From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:06:22 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] How to restart mysql installed from gem?
In-Reply-To: <44189A50-672B-4990-B400-C02522A9B8C4@mac.com>
References: <750FF8BE-94D7-45A1-8C18-A2A1DF806EF7@tonyspencer.com>
	<47D8E33D.3060401@acm.org>
	<05498084-9B1D-41D1-8077-D137B99566CC@tonyspencer.com>
	<f25a5bb60803131049g1b476ff5v481c1a878283bea5@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEE2B7E0-5D5A-41D6-B76B-D19E6CD8C2A7@tonyspencer.com>
	<44189A50-672B-4990-B400-C02522A9B8C4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <888FFC00-5626-41DD-9EB1-F2BFC030762B@tonyspencer.com>

Thanks Jared.  That did the trick and I've added aliases in .profile  
so I won't forget:

alias startmysql="sudo launchctl load -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/ 
com.mysql.mysqld.plist"
alias stopmysql="sudo launchctl unload -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/ 
com.mysql.mysqld.plist"


On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Jared Peterson wrote:

> This article may be of some assistance since you built from source:
>
> http://hivelogic.com/articles/installing-mysql-on-mac-os-x/
>
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Tony Spencer wrote:
>
>> No I installed from source so there is not GUI in the preference  
>> pane.
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2008, at 1:49 PM, TJ Stankus wrote:
>>
>>>> So I've found this launchdaemon that suggests its running by:
>>>> /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe
>>>>
>>>> So I try this:
>>>> sudo /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe stop
>>>>
>>>> and it complains:
>>>> "A mysqld process already exists"
>>>>
>>>> and indeed its not stopped.  This is the case for 2 machines here  
>>>> in
>>>> the office running Leopard.
>>>
>>> Just a shot here... if you installed the MacOS X binary you probably
>>> also installed a preference pane plugin. If you look in System
>>> Preferences do you see a MySQL icon?
>>>
>>> -TJ
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>


From crnixon at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 09:10:52 2008
From: crnixon at gmail.com (Clinton R. Nixon)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:10:52 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbd23f5e0803170610i3740e4c4ya773f02ce553b9e8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast. It's
>  > really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to use your
>  > laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud. So keep
>  > that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you need is
>  > Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic works
>  > just fine.
>  >
>  > Show of hands? Anyone?
>
>  Matthew,
>
>  I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
>  off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.

And, a day before the meetup, I've gotten pretty sick. I don't expect
to be well by tomorrow, so if someone else can step up, I (and I
suspect Matthew, too) would be very grateful.

--
Clinton R. Nixon
http://clintonrnixon.net

From fmedlin at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 09:19:20 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:19:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <bbd23f5e0803170610i3740e4c4ya773f02ce553b9e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803170610i3740e4c4ya773f02ce553b9e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579ca95c0803170619o6d86f7dam776633bd7d8c1088@mail.gmail.com>

I'll have my box ready to go if needed.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  > I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast.
> It's
> >  > really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to use
> your
> >  > laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud. So
> keep
> >  > that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you
> need is
> >  > Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic
> works
> >  > just fine.
> >  >
> >  > Show of hands? Anyone?
> >
> >  Matthew,
> >
> >  I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
> >  off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.
>
> And, a day before the meetup, I've gotten pretty sick. I don't expect
> to be well by tomorrow, so if someone else can step up, I (and I
> suspect Matthew, too) would be very grateful.
>
> --
> Clinton R. Nixon
> http://clintonrnixon.net
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 09:45:10 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:45:10 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Recording the next raleigh.rb meetup
In-Reply-To: <579ca95c0803170619o6d86f7dam776633bd7d8c1088@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390803120725ve8a9dafga3caa17d8e790eca@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803120733y6ab9c148td921509bb7daf497@mail.gmail.com>
	<bbd23f5e0803170610i3740e4c4ya773f02ce553b9e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<579ca95c0803170619o6d86f7dam776633bd7d8c1088@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390803170645s155ac24fjb19449d57bf156c8@mail.gmail.com>

Great, Fred. Thanks! I'll send you the same instructions I sent Clinton.
Sorry you're sick, man. :(
Matthew


On 3/17/08, Fred Medlin <fmedlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll have my box ready to go if needed.
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Clinton R. Nixon <crnixon at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >  > I'm looking for someone who can record the meetup for the podcast.
> > It's
> > >  > really simple to do, though it makes it pretty much impossible to
> > use your
> > >  > laptop during the session because the typing would be pretty loud.
> > So keep
> > >  > that in mind. But if you're interested, please let me know. All you
> > need is
> > >  > Audacity (free download). Assuming you have a Mac, the built-in mic
> > works
> > >  > just fine.
> > >  >
> > >  > Show of hands? Anyone?
> > >
> > >  Matthew,
> > >
> > >  I can handle that! I've got a Macbook Pro that should work. E-mail me
> > >  off-list with any details about what I should do, and I'll be there.
> >
> > And, a day before the meetup, I've gotten pretty sick. I don't expect
> > to be well by tomorrow, so if someone else can step up, I (and I
> > suspect Matthew, too) would be very grateful.
> >
> > --
> > Clinton R. Nixon
> > http://clintonrnixon.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Tue Mar 18 10:58:57 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:58:57 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-meeting Chow
Message-ID: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>

As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 tonight
at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab dinner and some
Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.

While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.

Looking forward to it,


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From fmedlin at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:16:20 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:16:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579ca95c0803180816t5c69fba2rc4af38ff875be802@mail.gmail.com>

In! or somesuch

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws>
wrote:

> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 tonight
> at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab dinner and some
> Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
> with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> Looking forward to it,
>
>
> --
> Nathaniel Talbott
> <:((><
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From jared.peterson at mac.com  Tue Mar 18 11:28:11 2008
From: jared.peterson at mac.com (Jared Peterson)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:28:11 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70D18D29-53F2-4C89-9D21-3B2443FE5D7D@mac.com>

"In!"

On Mar 18, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 tonight
> at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab dinner and some
> Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
> with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> Looking forward to it,
>
>
> -- 
> Nathaniel Talbott
> <:((><
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From mark at 37signals.com  Tue Mar 18 11:21:29 2008
From: mark at 37signals.com (Mark Imbriaco)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:21:29 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76A5C77D-27D2-4447-A815-C561FAAEC646@37signals.com>


On Mar 18, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 tonight
> at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab dinner and some
> Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
> with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.

Count me in.

--
Mark Imbriaco
System Administrator
37signals
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From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:56:52 2008
From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:56:52 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <76A5C77D-27D2-4447-A815-C561FAAEC646@37signals.com>
References: <4ce336a20803180758t4575609exfd6008e6cb67a329@mail.gmail.com>
	<76A5C77D-27D2-4447-A815-C561FAAEC646@37signals.com>
Message-ID: <b2e941150803180856m47225124j97609f72284aa97f@mail.gmail.com>

In!

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Mark Imbriaco <mark at 37signals.com> wrote:

>
> On Mar 18, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
> > As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join me at 5:30 tonight
> > at Baja Burrito (http://tinyurl.com/2o2luk) to grab dinner and some
> > Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
> >
> > While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email
> > with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> Count me in.
>
> --
> Mark Imbriaco
> System Administrator
> 37signals
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Tue Mar 18 15:23:12 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:23:12 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Lightning Talks Tonight!
Message-ID: <4ce336a20803181223k260b9097jf545ab86280c5a21@mail.gmail.com>

Just to clarify for everyone, I'll be at the meeting spot no later
than 6:30 to start taking sign ups. As advertised, I will be sorting
said sign ups by length, shortest first, and we'll just start working
our way through, running until 8:30 or we run out of talks, whichever
comes first. If we run out of time before we run out of talks, those
who don't make the cut can save their talk for next time, and perhaps
shorten it a bit so it gets sorted earlier.

Oh, and you only get one talk, so no splitting a ten minute talk in
half so it gets sorted at five minutes :-P

Can't wait to see what ya'll have cooked up,


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Wed Mar 19 09:37:11 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:37:11 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] NC State contacts
Message-ID: <4ce336a20803190637u7068fd99p2691a3b218f0b397@mail.gmail.com>

Jeremy McAnally and I are working on getting a location lined up for
the Ruby Hoedown this year, and we're not going to be able to use Red
Hat on Friday. As an alternative, we'd love to find some space at NC
State that we could use instead, so if you have any contacts at the
university, work there yourself, and/or are interested in helping us
find a space to use, please drop me an email.

As soon as we get the location sorted out, we'll be announcing dates...


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From tj at stank.us  Wed Mar 19 09:50:43 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:50:43 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] NC State contacts
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20803190637u7068fd99p2691a3b218f0b397@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803190637u7068fd99p2691a3b218f0b397@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25a5bb60803190650q56b7480al54dfa40470202330@mail.gmail.com>

Would you also consider other universities if NC State doesn't work
out? I've been to tech conferences/seminars at UNC and the facilities
were really nice.

-TJ

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:
> Jeremy McAnally and I are working on getting a location lined up for
>  the Ruby Hoedown this year, and we're not going to be able to use Red
>  Hat on Friday. As an alternative, we'd love to find some space at NC
>  State that we could use instead, so if you have any contacts at the
>  university, work there yourself, and/or are interested in helping us
>  find a space to use, please drop me an email.
>
>  As soon as we get the location sorted out, we'll be announcing dates...
>
>
>  --
>  Nathaniel Talbott
>  <:((><
>  _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 10:02:23 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:02:23 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] My lightning talk slides
Message-ID: <deb2337a0803190702k49f2d38ak2ea519799df4432f@mail.gmail.com>

In case anyone is interested in actually SEEING them. <G>

Don't know if attachments are allowed on this list but here goes.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Wed Mar 19 10:26:20 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:26:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] My lightning talk slides
In-Reply-To: <deb2337a0803190702k49f2d38ak2ea519799df4432f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <deb2337a0803190702k49f2d38ak2ea519799df4432f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ce336a20803190726x4568575al8192b3785499a775@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:

> In case anyone is interested in actually SEEING them. <G>

Excellent idea, Rick! Please, anyone else who gave a talk last night
and showed code or slides or sites that we couldn't see, feel free to
post them to this thread.


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From ryan.daigle at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 10:34:22 2008
From: ryan.daigle at gmail.com (Ryan Daigle)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:34:22 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] NC State contacts
In-Reply-To: <f25a5bb60803190650q56b7480al54dfa40470202330@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803190637u7068fd99p2691a3b218f0b397@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60803190650q56b7480al54dfa40470202330@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <748ff3ff0803190734p7b0c06d4ie8479bfe8f818de6@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend the McKimmon center at NCSU - though I don't have any
contacts that could facilitate that...

On 3/19/08, TJ Stankus <tj at stank.us> wrote:
>
> Would you also consider other universities if NC State doesn't work
> out? I've been to tech conferences/seminars at UNC and the facilities
> were really nice.
>
>
> -TJ
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws>
> wrote:
> > Jeremy McAnally and I are working on getting a location lined up for
> >  the Ruby Hoedown this year, and we're not going to be able to use Red
> >  Hat on Friday. As an alternative, we'd love to find some space at NC
> >  State that we could use instead, so if you have any contacts at the
> >  university, work there yourself, and/or are interested in helping us
> >  find a space to use, please drop me an email.
> >
> >  As soon as we get the location sorted out, we'll be announcing dates...
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  Nathaniel Talbott
> >  <:((><
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From robbie at statsheet.com  Wed Mar 19 11:20:52 2008
From: robbie at statsheet.com (Robbie Allen)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:20:52 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Opinions on Engine Yard?
Message-ID: <001501c889d4$d3bf49a0$7b3ddce0$@com>

Does anyone have experience using Engine Yard?  I'm curious if their price
premium is worth the high level of service they claim to offer. 

 

Thanks,

Robbie 

http://statsheet.com

 

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From ryan.daigle at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 11:54:15 2008
From: ryan.daigle at gmail.com (Ryan Daigle)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:54:15 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Opinions on Engine Yard?
In-Reply-To: <001501c889d4$d3bf49a0$7b3ddce0$@com>
References: <001501c889d4$d3bf49a0$7b3ddce0$@com>
Message-ID: <748ff3ff0803190854i102d0872t540412b8e31e01ae@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard nothing but the best, though I've not personally used them.

On 3/19/08, Robbie Allen <robbie at statsheet.com> wrote:
>
>  Does anyone have experience using Engine Yard?  I'm curious if their
> price premium is worth the high level of service they claim to offer.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robbie
>
> http://statsheet.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 16:52:38 2008
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:52:38 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] My lightning talk slides
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20803190726x4568575al8192b3785499a775@mail.gmail.com>
References: <deb2337a0803190702k49f2d38ak2ea519799df4432f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20803190726x4568575al8192b3785499a775@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <deb2337a0803191352n77108ca2x3ed7da4ebe8665ab@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/19/08, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > In case anyone is interested in actually SEEING them. <G>
>
>
> Excellent idea, Rick!

I think I have a good idea every once in a great while! <G>
-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

From jeffm.keating at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 18:44:51 2008
From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (Jeff Keating)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:44:51 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] NC State contacts
In-Reply-To: <748ff3ff0803190734p7b0c06d4ie8479bfe8f818de6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803190637u7068fd99p2691a3b218f0b397@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60803190650q56b7480al54dfa40470202330@mail.gmail.com>
	<748ff3ff0803190734p7b0c06d4ie8479bfe8f818de6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbf7d70a0803191544v599a077bsa4d6e37ec1c5a20e@mail.gmail.com>

how big a group?

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Daigle <ryan.daigle at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would recommend the McKimmon center at NCSU - though I don't have any
> contacts that could facilitate that...
>
>
> On 3/19/08, TJ Stankus <tj at stank.us> wrote:
> >
> > Would you also consider other universities if NC State doesn't work
> > out? I've been to tech conferences/seminars at UNC and the facilities
> > were really nice.
> >
> >
> > -TJ
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws>
> > wrote:
> > > Jeremy McAnally and I are working on getting a location lined up for
> > >  the Ruby Hoedown this year, and we're not going to be able to use Red
> > >  Hat on Friday. As an alternative, we'd love to find some space at NC
> > >  State that we could use instead, so if you have any contacts at the
> > >  university, work there yourself, and/or are interested in helping us
> > >  find a space to use, please drop me an email.
> > >
> > >  As soon as we get the location sorted out, we'll be announcing
> > dates...
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  Nathaniel Talbott
> > >  <:((><
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > >  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Wed Mar 19 18:54:52 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:54:52 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Opinions on Engine Yard?
In-Reply-To: <001501c889d4$d3bf49a0$7b3ddce0$@com>
References: <001501c889d4$d3bf49a0$7b3ddce0$@com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10803191554v7f63da1fk763f04363ac889bf@mail.gmail.com>

Not at all.  I would recommend Rails Machine if you are looking for the
level of support that Engine Yard offers, otherwise I am always happy to go
with slicehost.

Aaron

On 3/19/08, Robbie Allen <robbie at statsheet.com> wrote:
>
>  Does anyone have experience using Engine Yard?  I'm curious if their
> price premium is worth the high level of service they claim to offer.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robbie
>
> http://statsheet.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Wed Mar 19 21:16:55 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:16:55 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] NC State contacts
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0803191544v599a077bsa4d6e37ec1c5a20e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce336a20803190637u7068fd99p2691a3b218f0b397@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60803190650q56b7480al54dfa40470202330@mail.gmail.com>
	<748ff3ff0803190734p7b0c06d4ie8479bfe8f818de6@mail.gmail.com>
	<dbf7d70a0803191544v599a077bsa4d6e37ec1c5a20e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ce336a20803191816y7bc28068n733215346a7d22f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Jeff Keating <jeffm.keating at gmail.com> wrote:

> how big a group?

~150 people.


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From jon.list000 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 22 19:04:30 2008
From: jon.list000 at gmail.com (Jonathon Brenner)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:04:30 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] acts_as_drunk
Message-ID: <eddcf8ca0803221604y60ec2a18i3a4e7e49b777b7e7@mail.gmail.com>

So is there a designated after-hours ruby-nerd meetup spot yet? If not, we
need to get on it. Here are my two nominations:

The Bar (at Bada Wings)
Pros

   - In Mission Valley shopping center, which is close to Red Hat HQ
   - Free WiFi
   - Outdoor seating
   - Decent beer selection

Cons

   - Smoking allowed
   - Small inside

Flying Saucer
Pros

   - If you've ever been there, the first plus would be fairly obvious
   - Fantastic beer selection
   - Free WiFi
   - Outdoor seating

Cons

   - Crowded
   - Sometimes too loud for conversation
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From larry.karnowski at gmail.com  Sat Mar 22 19:57:57 2008
From: larry.karnowski at gmail.com (Larry Karnowski)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:57:57 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] acts_as_drunk
In-Reply-To: <eddcf8ca0803221604y60ec2a18i3a4e7e49b777b7e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eddcf8ca0803221604y60ec2a18i3a4e7e49b777b7e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b27183e0803221657j38df4e47kc897fc6952fb17e0@mail.gmail.com>

Jonathon,
When are you proposing we invoke "acts_as_drunk"?  After the
Raleigh.rb meetings?  A regular Friday night a month?  Inquiring,
thirsty minds want to know.

Larry "drinking double chocolate stout right now" Karnowski

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Jonathon Brenner <jon.list000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So is there a designated after-hours ruby-nerd meetup spot yet? If not, we
> need to get on it. Here are my two nominations:
>
>
> The Bar (at Bada Wings)
> Pros
>
> In Mission Valley shopping center, which is close to Red Hat HQ
> Free WiFi
> Outdoor seating
>  Decent beer selectionCons
>
> Smoking allowed
> Small inside
> Flying Saucer
> Pros
>
> If you've ever been there, the first plus would be fairly obvious
> Fantastic beer selection
>  Free WiFi
> Outdoor seatingCons
>
> Crowded
> Sometimes too loud for conversation
> _______________________________________________
>  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From jon.list000 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 22 23:23:06 2008
From: jon.list000 at gmail.com (Jonathon Brenner)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:23:06 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] acts_as_drunk
In-Reply-To: <2b27183e0803221657j38df4e47kc897fc6952fb17e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eddcf8ca0803221604y60ec2a18i3a4e7e49b777b7e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b27183e0803221657j38df4e47kc897fc6952fb17e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eddcf8ca0803222023j6f3488bepff88305b779a061e@mail.gmail.com>

Good question. The proximity of The Bar to RH HQ makes it ideal for some
post-meeting hackery, though we don't want to be too fsck'ed for work
on Wednesday morning.  Maybe a beer or three after the meeting and a regular
Friday elsewhere?

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Larry Karnowski <larry.karnowski at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jonathon,
> When are you proposing we invoke "acts_as_drunk"?  After the
> Raleigh.rb meetings?  A regular Friday night a month?  Inquiring,
> thirsty minds want to know.
>
> Larry "drinking double chocolate stout right now" Karnowski
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Jonathon Brenner <jon.list000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > So is there a designated after-hours ruby-nerd meetup spot yet? If not,
> we
> > need to get on it. Here are my two nominations:
> >
> >
> > The Bar (at Bada Wings)
> > Pros
> >
> > In Mission Valley shopping center, which is close to Red Hat HQ
> > Free WiFi
> > Outdoor seating
> >  Decent beer selectionCons
> >
> > Smoking allowed
> > Small inside
> > Flying Saucer
> > Pros
> >
> > If you've ever been there, the first plus would be fairly obvious
> > Fantastic beer selection
> >  Free WiFi
> > Outdoor seatingCons
> >
> > Crowded
> > Sometimes too loud for conversation
> > _______________________________________________
> >  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 07:57:25 2008
From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:57:25 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] acts_as_drunk
In-Reply-To: <eddcf8ca0803222023j6f3488bepff88305b779a061e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eddcf8ca0803221604y60ec2a18i3a4e7e49b777b7e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b27183e0803221657j38df4e47kc897fc6952fb17e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<eddcf8ca0803222023j6f3488bepff88305b779a061e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b2e941150803230457l5eb6ef6ahb4969ce59c9a86bb@mail.gmail.com>

My suggestion would be Thursday night since Friday is usually a family night
for me.  +1 for Flying Saucer.  I wonder if they still have their Thursday
Belgian specials.

Mark


On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Jonathon Brenner <jon.list000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Good question. The proximity of The Bar to RH HQ makes it ideal for some
> post-meeting hackery, though we don't want to be too fsck'ed for work
> on Wednesday morning.  Maybe a beer or three after the meeting and a regular
> Friday elsewhere?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Larry Karnowski <
> larry.karnowski at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jonathon,
> > When are you proposing we invoke "acts_as_drunk"?  After the
> > Raleigh.rb meetings?  A regular Friday night a month?  Inquiring,
> > thirsty minds want to know.
> >
> > Larry "drinking double chocolate stout right now" Karnowski
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Jonathon Brenner <jon.list000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > So is there a designated after-hours ruby-nerd meetup spot yet? If
> > not, we
> > > need to get on it. Here are my two nominations:
> > >
> > >
> > > The Bar (at Bada Wings)
> > > Pros
> > >
> > > In Mission Valley shopping center, which is close to Red Hat HQ
> > > Free WiFi
> > > Outdoor seating
> > >  Decent beer selectionCons
> > >
> > > Smoking allowed
> > > Small inside
> > > Flying Saucer
> > > Pros
> > >
> > > If you've ever been there, the first plus would be fairly obvious
> > > Fantastic beer selection
> > >  Free WiFi
> > > Outdoor seatingCons
> > >
> > > Crowded
> > > Sometimes too loud for conversation
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > >  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 08:02:54 2008
From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:02:54 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] acts_as_drunk
In-Reply-To: <b2e941150803230457l5eb6ef6ahb4969ce59c9a86bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eddcf8ca0803221604y60ec2a18i3a4e7e49b777b7e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b27183e0803221657j38df4e47kc897fc6952fb17e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<eddcf8ca0803222023j6f3488bepff88305b779a061e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b2e941150803230457l5eb6ef6ahb4969ce59c9a86bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b2e941150803230502v1990f30eu854db5c1f97a466d@mail.gmail.com>

Could call it the ruby-knurd meetup.  Notice the word 'drunk' in there
spelled backwards.

Mark

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Mark Bennett <mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My suggestion would be Thursday night since Friday is usually a family
> night for me.  +1 for Flying Saucer.  I wonder if they still have their
> Thursday Belgian specials.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Jonathon Brenner <jon.list000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Good question. The proximity of The Bar to RH HQ makes it ideal for some
> > post-meeting hackery, though we don't want to be too fsck'ed for work
> > on Wednesday morning.  Maybe a beer or three after the meeting and a regular
> > Friday elsewhere?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Larry Karnowski <
> > larry.karnowski at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Jonathon,
> > > When are you proposing we invoke "acts_as_drunk"?  After the
> > > Raleigh.rb meetings?  A regular Friday night a month?  Inquiring,
> > > thirsty minds want to know.
> > >
> > > Larry "drinking double chocolate stout right now" Karnowski
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Jonathon Brenner <
> > > jon.list000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > So is there a designated after-hours ruby-nerd meetup spot yet? If
> > > not, we
> > > > need to get on it. Here are my two nominations:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Bar (at Bada Wings)
> > > > Pros
> > > >
> > > > In Mission Valley shopping center, which is close to Red Hat HQ
> > > > Free WiFi
> > > > Outdoor seating
> > > >  Decent beer selectionCons
> > > >
> > > > Smoking allowed
> > > > Small inside
> > > > Flying Saucer
> > > > Pros
> > > >
> > > > If you've ever been there, the first plus would be fairly obvious
> > > > Fantastic beer selection
> > > >  Free WiFi
> > > > Outdoor seatingCons
> > > >
> > > > Crowded
> > > > Sometimes too loud for conversation
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >  raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > >  raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > >  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
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From adam at thewilliams.ws  Sun Mar 23 23:30:25 2008
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:30:25 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] MacBook Pro for Sale
Message-ID: <293C0E1B-C2EC-4671-BED8-6020AD4EA9CC@thewilliams.ws>

If you're interested, http://tinyurl.com/2tuoxq

You can save on shipping since you're local.

    adam

From fatcatt316 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 24 09:05:07 2008
From: fatcatt316 at yahoo.com (Joe Peck)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [raleigh.rb] MacBook Pro for Sale
In-Reply-To: <293C0E1B-C2EC-4671-BED8-6020AD4EA9CC@thewilliams.ws>
Message-ID: <946081.44638.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

If only I hadn't got a MacBook last month... 
That's a good price for a MacBook pro.  Good luck selling it.

Joe Peck

Adam Williams <adam at thewilliams.ws> wrote: If you're interested, http://tinyurl.com/2tuoxq

You can save on shipping since you're local.

    adam
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From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 24 09:31:38 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:31:38 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] MacBook Pro for Sale
In-Reply-To: <293C0E1B-C2EC-4671-BED8-6020AD4EA9CC@thewilliams.ws>
References: <293C0E1B-C2EC-4671-BED8-6020AD4EA9CC@thewilliams.ws>
Message-ID: <47E7AD3A.9010803@lojic.com>

Adam Williams wrote, On 03/23/2008 11:30 PM:
> If you're interested, http://tinyurl.com/2tuoxq

That does seem like a good price. Why are you selling it?

From adam at thewilliams.ws  Mon Mar 24 09:49:56 2008
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:49:56 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] MacBook Pro for Sale
In-Reply-To: <47E7AD3A.9010803@lojic.com>
References: <293C0E1B-C2EC-4671-BED8-6020AD4EA9CC@thewilliams.ws>
	<47E7AD3A.9010803@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <98A204EE-80DC-4290-A289-2B5E3B7C0993@thewilliams.ws>

It's well over 2 years old now, and the Penryn processors came out  
Feb. 26th. I run Parallels all the time, so a faster processor would  
be nice.

On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Brian Adkins wrote:

> Adam Williams wrote, On 03/23/2008 11:30 PM:
>> If you're interested, http://tinyurl.com/2tuoxq
>
> That does seem like a good price. Why are you selling it?
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 11:43:20 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:43:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] BarCamp Link
Message-ID: <c137c5970803240843n59d0766fl4480a01104ec01b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

Does anyone remember the link to the Raleigh BarCamp page?

Curtis
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From fmedlin at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 11:48:22 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:48:22 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] BarCamp Link
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970803240843n59d0766fl4480a01104ec01b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970803240843n59d0766fl4480a01104ec01b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579ca95c0803240848o2130fb3fxa945cea25392af42@mail.gmail.com>

http://barcamp.org/BarCampRDU

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Curtis Mitchell <curtismitchell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Does anyone remember the link to the Raleigh BarCamp page?
>
> Curtis
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 12:17:23 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:17:23 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] BarCamp Link
In-Reply-To: <579ca95c0803240848o2130fb3fxa945cea25392af42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970803240843n59d0766fl4480a01104ec01b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<579ca95c0803240848o2130fb3fxa945cea25392af42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c137c5970803240917u2e2bef00t4de944c049912073@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Fred Medlin <fmedlin at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://barcamp.org/BarCampRDU
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Curtis Mitchell <
> curtismitchell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Does anyone remember the link to the Raleigh BarCamp page?
> >
> > Curtis
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From curtis.duhn at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 12:33:41 2008
From: curtis.duhn at gmail.com (Curtis Duhn)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:33:41 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
Message-ID: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

Does anyone know of any hacks for getting decent group health insurance
coverage if you're self employed?  I need to get something established
within the next few weeks, and I'm discovering that individual policies are
going to be insanely expensive due to some pre-existing conditions that my
son has.

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,
Curtis

-- 
Curtis Duhn
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From javery at infozerk.com  Mon Mar 24 13:25:28 2008
From: javery at infozerk.com (James Avery)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:25:28 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
In-Reply-To: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20af90580803241025y5e285873u1c750e0c14311e24@mail.gmail.com>

For group you need to have more than one employee on the insurance (not just
more than one employee), not sure if that will be a problem. I know someone
who hired his wife but then had to buy two insurance policies (group for
himself and the kids, and individual for her) and had to pay her so paying a
little more in payroll taxes as well. Even though it was a hassle it was the
only way for him to get coverage due to some pre-existing conditions his son
had as well.

You might also want to look at PEO type organizations (Paychex does this),
or something like iProfessional.

#rant
  If the government really wanted to help small business they would tackle
and solve this problem, for most people it has become the biggest issue with
starting their  own company or going independent

-James



On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Curtis Duhn <curtis.duhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> Does anyone know of any hacks for getting decent group health insurance
> coverage if you're self employed?  I need to get something established
> within the next few weeks, and I'm discovering that individual policies are
> going to be insanely expensive due to some pre-existing conditions that my
> son has.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis
>
> --
> Curtis Duhn
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
James Avery
Infozerk Inc.
http://www.infozerk.com
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From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 24 13:49:32 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:49:32 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
In-Reply-To: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E7E9AC.3070804@lojic.com>

Curtis Duhn wrote, On 03/24/2008 12:33 PM:
> Hey folks,
> 
> Does anyone know of any hacks for getting decent group health insurance 
> coverage if you're self employed?  I need to get something established 
> within the next few weeks, and I'm discovering that individual policies 
> are going to be insanely expensive due to some pre-existing conditions 
> that my son has.

Dude, that is one strange coincidence! I've been calling around about 
individual / small group health insurance plans all day and was about to 
send an email to the list earlier :) I also have a medical history that 
looks worse on paper than in reality and has bumped the rates up a bit.

I'm pretty sure that a small group health insurance plan can't be more 
than 66% higher than a normal/average plan, so I expect a small group 
plan will be *much* cheaper than an individual plan. You may need to 
prove to the insurance company that you have a 'viable' business. Having 
an LLC or other form of corporation would be quite helpful.

Another option, and one I'm pursuing now, is simply to become an 
employee of an 'employee leasing' company and then lease yourself back 
to your own company. I worked for a small company (~ 12 people) in Ohio 
who had everyone become an employee of one of those firms so they 
wouldn't have to fool with benefits, payroll, etc. If the leasing 
company has more than a certain threshold (20, 50?), then a medical 
history questionnaire isn't filled out, so your son's pre-existing 
condition shouldn't be a factor.

> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Curtis
> 
> -- 
> Curtis Duhn
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

From fmedlin at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 14:06:38 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:06:38 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
In-Reply-To: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579ca95c0803241106g2bfcc9cfo599469a1bb64c77a@mail.gmail.com>

How about any professional orgs that you're a member of? A few years ago
IEEE had the best health insurance around. The underwriter treated the
organization as a group and offered great coverage at reasonable premiums.
Unfortunately, they don't offer the plan to new subscribers any
longer. ACM offers
some insurance plans <http://www.acm.org/membership/insurance>. Sometimes,
the org's dues are offset by the plan savings. How about any school alumni
organizations?

There are health brokers around locally and online that may help you find a
policy. I don't have any experience with any, but you may want to check that
out.


On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Curtis Duhn <curtis.duhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> Does anyone know of any hacks for getting decent group health insurance
> coverage if you're self employed?  I need to get something established
> within the next few weeks, and I'm discovering that individual policies are
> going to be insanely expensive due to some pre-existing conditions that my
> son has.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis
>
> --
> Curtis Duhn
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From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 24 15:09:27 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:09:27 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
In-Reply-To: <47E7E9AC.3070804@lojic.com>
References: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E7E9AC.3070804@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <47E7FC67.2060406@lojic.com>

Brian Adkins wrote, On 03/24/2008 01:49 PM:
> Curtis Duhn wrote, On 03/24/2008 12:33 PM:
>> Hey folks,
>> 
>> Does anyone know of any hacks for getting decent group health insurance 
>> coverage if you're self employed?  I need to get something established 
>> within the next few weeks, and I'm discovering that individual policies 
>> are going to be insanely expensive due to some pre-existing conditions 
>> that my son has.
> 
> ...
> 
> Another option, and one I'm pursuing now, is simply to become an 
> employee of an 'employee leasing' company and then lease yourself back 
> to your own company. I worked for a small company (~ 12 people) in Ohio 
> who had everyone become an employee of one of those firms so they 
> wouldn't have to fool with benefits, payroll, etc. If the leasing 
> company has more than a certain threshold (20, 50?), then a medical 
> history questionnaire isn't filled out, so your son's pre-existing 
> condition shouldn't be a factor.

FWIW here's a list of PEO's from the NC web site:

http://www.ncdoi.com/FED/SE/Documents/PEO/PEO_list.pdf

Unfortunately, I'm finding that they typically want a minimum number of 
employees (typically 5) which makes sense from an efficiency 
perspective. Probably the best bet would be a local company that offers 
the service - maybe a small accounting firm.


From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 24 18:11:41 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:11:41 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
In-Reply-To: <47E7E9AC.3070804@lojic.com>
References: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E7E9AC.3070804@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <47E8271D.1000602@lojic.com>

Brian Adkins wrote, On 03/24/2008 01:49 PM:
> I'm pretty sure that a small group health insurance plan can't be more 
> than 66% higher than a normal/average plan, so I expect a small group 
> plan will be *much* cheaper than an individual plan. You may need to 
> prove to the insurance company that you have a 'viable' business. Having 
> an LLC or other form of corporation would be quite helpful.

I just talked to someone from Cigna, and she mentioned that for a single 
employee group policy in NC, they can only charge 25% more than the 
preliminary rate; whereas, with a 2-24 employee group policy, they can 
charge up to 67% more. Either way, it's much better than individual 
plans which can charge up to 7 times the preliminary rate!



From jeffm.keating at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 18:44:26 2008
From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (Jeff Keating)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:44:26 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Group insurance options
In-Reply-To: <47E8271D.1000602@lojic.com>
References: <3e320180803240933i40b8f637y44b824c6e38f4a7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E7E9AC.3070804@lojic.com> <47E8271D.1000602@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <dbf7d70a0803241544o64d349earcd404aedce571da9@mail.gmail.com>

Curtis, if your son's condition is enough to be "pre-existing" but isn't
likely to be expensive every year, you could pursue a high-deductible health
plan with HSA, and carry the risk yourself while saving in a tax-exempt
fashion to cover possible expenses down the road. On the surface, it might
seem sub-optimal compared to being employed and able to get group rates, but
some might argue that it's actually better for you and your family in the
long run...

I'm sorry to hear of the difficulties. I spent a fair amount of time
researching this very issue this year and found no viable alternative to
paying full-price, non-group... if anybody has example or advice I would
also welcome hearing it.

- jeff

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> Brian Adkins wrote, On 03/24/2008 01:49 PM:
> > I'm pretty sure that a small group health insurance plan can't be more
> > than 66% higher than a normal/average plan, so I expect a small group
> > plan will be *much* cheaper than an individual plan. You may need to
> > prove to the insurance company that you have a 'viable' business. Having
> > an LLC or other form of corporation would be quite helpful.
>
> I just talked to someone from Cigna, and she mentioned that for a single
> employee group policy in NC, they can only charge 25% more than the
> preliminary rate; whereas, with a 2-24 employee group policy, they can
> charge up to 67% more. Either way, it's much better than individual
> plans which can charge up to 7 times the preliminary rate!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
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From robbie at statsheet.com  Mon Mar 24 19:30:38 2008
From: robbie at statsheet.com (Robbie Allen)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:30:38 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Looking for a MySQL expert
Message-ID: <001101c88e07$118fef60$34afce20$@com>

Hello,

 

Can anyone recommend a MySQL expert in the Triangle area that works on a
consulting basis (ie, by the hour)?  I need someone that is good at
optimizing large data sets (table structure, indexing, optimizing queries,
etc.) and familiar with setting up master/slave environments.  Familiarity
with Rails required.

 

Thanks!

Robbie

http://statsheet.com

 

 

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From info at lojic.com  Wed Mar 26 12:07:24 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:07:24 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Accountant recommendations
Message-ID: <47EA74BC.9040609@lojic.com>

Can anyone highly recommend a CPA for small business & individual 
accounting work?

I've gotten a couple referrals from people I know, but the hourly rates 
were $120 & $200 per hour respectively which I feel is too high.

Maybe I should find a non-CPA bookkeeper / accountant to do most of the 
work and just have a CPA "sign off" on the returns.

Brian Adkins

From efg at NCSU.edu  Wed Mar 26 15:56:36 2008
From: efg at NCSU.edu (Ed Gehringer)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:56:36 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Student internships for summer?
Message-ID: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>

Hi members,

I'm new to the list, and this is my first post.

I teach Ruby in my o-o languages and systems class at NCSU.  I have at 
least two masters students, and maybe more, who are looking to find an 
internship in the summer.  They have written a couple of Rails apps for 
class, and were among the best in the class at it.

If anyone knows of any work that might be available, please let me know, 
and I will pass it on.

Thanks,
Ed
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Edward F. Gehringer                     Voice: (919) 515-2066
Associate Professor                     Fax:   (919) 513-7075
Computer Science                        E-mail: efg at ncsu.edu
North Carolina State University         http://www4.ncsu.edu/~efg/
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From fatcatt316 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 16:27:26 2008
From: fatcatt316 at yahoo.com (Joe Peck)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Student internships for summer?
In-Reply-To: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <662265.28025.qm@web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Welcome to the list.

This is off-topic, but I had you for Computer Ethics in 2005 or 2004.  Anyhoo, it's good to hear that NCSU is teaching Rails now, and good luck finding some internships.

Joe

Ed Gehringer <efg at NCSU.edu> wrote: Hi members,

I'm new to the list, and this is my first post.

I teach Ruby in my o-o languages and systems class at NCSU.  I have at 
least two masters students, and maybe more, who are looking to find an 
internship in the summer.  They have written a couple of Rails apps for 
class, and were among the best in the class at it.

If anyone knows of any work that might be available, please let me know, 
and I will pass it on.

Thanks,
Ed
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Associate Professor                     Fax:   (919) 513-7075
Computer Science                        E-mail: efg at ncsu.edu
North Carolina State University         http://www4.ncsu.edu/~efg/
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From jeffm.keating at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 18:26:26 2008
From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (Jeff Keating)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:26:26 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Student internships for summer?
In-Reply-To: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>
References: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <dbf7d70a0803261526l532e3713i38905d17fb5509b5@mail.gmail.com>

Ed, contact me off-list.

- jeff

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ed Gehringer <efg at ncsu.edu> wrote:

> Hi members,
>
> I'm new to the list, and this is my first post.
>
> I teach Ruby in my o-o languages and systems class at NCSU.  I have at
> least two masters students, and maybe more, who are looking to find an
> internship in the summer.  They have written a couple of Rails apps for
> class, and were among the best in the class at it.
>
> If anyone knows of any work that might be available, please let me know,
> and I will pass it on.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Edward F. Gehringer                     Voice: (919) 515-2066
> Associate Professor                     Fax:   (919) 513-7075
> Computer Science                        E-mail: efg at ncsu.edu
> North Carolina State University         http://www4.ncsu.edu/~efg/<http://www4.ncsu.edu/%7Eefg/>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From lists-jared at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 26 19:02:12 2008
From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:02:12 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Student internships for summer?
In-Reply-To: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>
References: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <69CA8252-8F1D-4D04-8D65-8260F7177A19@nc.rr.com>

Just a quick endorsement... I've known Dr. G for years. I took several  
of his classes back in the day and have hired at his suggestion  
before. If he says they're good, then they are.

Jared
http://6sa.com
http://AgileArtisans.com


On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Ed Gehringer wrote:

> Hi members,
>
> I'm new to the list, and this is my first post.
>
> I teach Ruby in my o-o languages and systems class at NCSU.  I have at
> least two masters students, and maybe more, who are looking to find an
> internship in the summer.  They have written a couple of Rails apps  
> for
> class, and were among the best in the class at it.
>
> If anyone knows of any work that might be available, please let me  
> know,
> and I will pass it on.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Edward F. Gehringer                     Voice: (919) 515-2066
> Associate Professor                     Fax:   (919) 513-7075
> Computer Science                        E-mail: efg at ncsu.edu
> North Carolina State University         http://www4.ncsu.edu/~efg/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From lon at speedymac.com  Sun Mar 30 05:40:09 2008
From: lon at speedymac.com (Lon Baker)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:40:09 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Macbook and Macbook Air for sale
Message-ID: <7ce1d32f0803300240ye627e6aja743c1e3946687cd@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I am selling 2 of my dev systems, at what I think are pretty good prices.

Details are here:

MacBook Air.
http://macurls.com/1i5itj

MacBook
http://macurls.com/127yv

--
Lon

Doing more with less.
http://speedymac.com
http://macurls.com

From ctse at icustom.net  Mon Mar 31 09:39:29 2008
From: ctse at icustom.net (Charles Tse)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:39:29 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job opening: Sr. architect and engineering team lead
Message-ID: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>

Description:  

An early stage startup company is at heart of revolutionizing how today's
products are made and how ideas get to market.  We are looking for an
experienced architect and team lead to design, develop, and maintain a
high-traffic ecommerce and community site. You will be joining a small and
fast-paced team, and be part of breaking up old rules and setting new ones
for us to be leaders in an exciting marketplace.

 

Duties and Job Functions:

- Lead software architecture, database, and application design and
development.

- Design and implement front-end and back-end platforms for ecommerce site,
community site, and supply chain integration.

- Develop and deploy scalable, high availability, high performance systems
to meet company goals.

- Define and enforce agile software development processes and guide software
engineering team.

- Work with customers, partners, and executive team to define and document
systems requirements, priorities, and timelines.  

 

Required Skills and Experience:

- 5+ years of design and development experience with Linux, Java, XML, Ruby
on Rails, and web services.

- 5+ years of SOA, RDBMS, and OO software design.

- Engineering management or team lead experience a plus.

- Strong experience with design, architecture, development and deployment of
high-transaction ecommerce site is required.

- Experience in development of widgets, social networking site, and internet
marketing systems highly desirable.

- Strong understanding of web standards, technologies, and trends.

- Excellent written and verbal communications skills and ability to work
with business, marketing, and technology team members.

- Must be driven and self-motivated. 

 

Educational Requirements

-         B.S. in Computer Science or equivalent is required.

 

Please contact Charles Tse at ctse at icustom.net or 919-274-7645.

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From randomutterings at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 14:19:21 2008
From: randomutterings at gmail.com (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:19:21 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Carpool
Message-ID: <52c57d810803311119y53fd60b9lcd858e6c2f85211f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in Rocky Mount and was wondering if anyone else in the area is
interested in car pooling to the meetings or hack night.
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From stu at thinkrelevance.com  Mon Mar 31 16:25:57 2008
From: stu at thinkrelevance.com (Stuart Halloway)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:25:57 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job opening: Sr. architect and engineering team
	lead
In-Reply-To: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>
References: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>
Message-ID: <869BDEAF-723C-4DE1-8765-075827972C13@thinkrelevance.com>

Ruby on Rails was first released to the public in July 2004. Should  
respondents limit themselves to former 37 Signals employees, or wait  
until July 2009 before responding to your ad?

> Required Skills and Experience:
>
> - 5+ years of design and development experience with Linux, Java,  
> XML, Ruby
> on Rails, and web services.
>

From mark at 37signals.com  Mon Mar 31 16:31:39 2008
From: mark at 37signals.com (Mark Imbriaco)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:31:39 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job opening: Sr. architect and engineering team
	lead
In-Reply-To: <869BDEAF-723C-4DE1-8765-075827972C13@thinkrelevance.com>
References: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>
	<869BDEAF-723C-4DE1-8765-075827972C13@thinkrelevance.com>
Message-ID: <4143CFA7-7D7F-4430-8BE0-D1F51F34DB3A@37signals.com>


On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
> Ruby on Rails was first released to the public in July 2004. Should
> respondents limit themselves to former 37 Signals employees, or wait
> until July 2009 before responding to your ad?

As far as I know, Marcel is the only former 37signals employee with  
Rails experience, and he already has a job. :)

-Mark


From ctse at icustom.net  Mon Mar 31 16:32:07 2008
From: ctse at icustom.net (Charles Tse)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:32:07 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job opening: Sr. architect and engineering teamlead
In-Reply-To: <869BDEAF-723C-4DE1-8765-075827972C13@thinkrelevance.com>
References: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>
	<869BDEAF-723C-4DE1-8765-075827972C13@thinkrelevance.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8936e$4a282650$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>

Thanks for clarification, Stuart. We are just looking for a couple of really
good engineers who are interested in what we have and help us out. Welcome
anyone who is interested.

Charles.

-----Original Message-----
From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Stuart
Halloway
Sent: 03/31/2008 4:26 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Job opening: Sr. architect and engineering
teamlead

Ruby on Rails was first released to the public in July 2004. Should  
respondents limit themselves to former 37 Signals employees, or wait  
until July 2009 before responding to your ad?

> Required Skills and Experience:
>
> - 5+ years of design and development experience with Linux, Java,  
> XML, Ruby
> on Rails, and web services.
>
_______________________________________________
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From efg at ncsu.edu  Mon Mar 31 17:07:45 2008
From: efg at ncsu.edu (Edward Gehringer)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:07:45 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Student internships for summer?
In-Reply-To: <dbf7d70a0803261526l532e3713i38905d17fb5509b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47EAAA74.1070404@ncsu.edu>
	<dbf7d70a0803261526l532e3713i38905d17fb5509b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE1A1FEA-8882-45B9-B173-1823AC011D41@ncsu.edu>

Hi Jeff,

Would you like to talk about potential internships?  You're welcome  
to e-mail me any information, or phone me at 919-515-2066.

Thanks,
Ed

On Mar 26, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Jeff Keating wrote:

> Ed, contact me off-list.
>
> - jeff


From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 31 17:11:46 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:11:46 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job opening: Sr. architect and engineering team
 lead
In-Reply-To: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>
References: <001401c89334$a52643f0$6401a8c0@D39GSL41>
Message-ID: <47F15392.6030007@lojic.com>

Charles Tse wrote, On 03/31/2008 09:39 AM:
> 
> 
> * Description:  *
> 
> An early stage startup company is at heart of revolutionizing how 
> today?s products are made and how ideas get to market.  We are looking 
> for an experienced architect and team lead to design, develop, and 
> maintain a high-traffic ecommerce and community site. You will be 
> joining a small and fast-p ace d team, and be part of breaking up old 
> rules and setting new ones for us to be leaders in an exciting marketpl 
> ace .

Is the following site related to your venture?

http://www.icustom.net/catalog/

It seems to be written primarily in PHP. Are you looking for someone to
create something else from scratch or to maintain & enhance what you
already have? You mention Java and Ruby on Rails. What technologies do
you expect to be using primarily?

Brian Adkins

-- 
http://www.lojic.com/
http://lojic.com/blog/

From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 31 17:15:44 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:15:44 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3 on,
	Rails 2.0.2
Message-ID: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>

I posted this on the Rails list, but I thought I'd ping y'all as well. 
After Aaron's talk the other night, I thought I'd look into PostgreSQL.

What is the preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3 on
Rails 2.0.2 ?

Brian Adkins

-- 
http://www.lojic.com/
http://lojic.com/blog/

From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Mon Mar 31 17:19:57 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:19:57 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3
	on, Rails 2.0.2
In-Reply-To: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>
References: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10803311419q1cec8cc8qfc17f32f5c25bb18@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

Are you referring to the ruby gem driver or the rails adapter?

Aaron

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> I posted this on the Rails list, but I thought I'd ping y'all as well.
> After Aaron's talk the other night, I thought I'd look into PostgreSQL.
>
> What is the preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3 on
> Rails 2.0.2 ?
>
> Brian Adkins
>
> --
> http://www.lojic.com/
> http://lojic.com/blog/
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From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 31 17:34:34 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:34:34 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3
 on, Rails 2.0.2
In-Reply-To: <b077dce10803311419q1cec8cc8qfc17f32f5c25bb18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>
	<b077dce10803311419q1cec8cc8qfc17f32f5c25bb18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F158EA.6000005@lojic.com>

Aaron Bedra wrote, On 03/31/2008 05:19 PM:
> Brian,
> 
> Are you referring to the ruby gem driver or the rails adapter? 

Is the Rails adapter independent of the Ruby gem driver? At any rate, I
simply want to get Rails 2.0.2 to work properly with PostgreSQL 8.3 with
the best adapters, drivers, etc. that money can buy :)

For example, the following is from "Agile Web Development with Rails" v2:

Postgres Adapter
Requires: The ruby-postgres gem, installed using
depot> gem install ruby-postgres
...

However, I've read that the ruby-postgres gem is unmaintained and has
been forked which lead me to my current query regarding the best way to
configure the latest Rails for the latest PostgreSQL.

Hope that helps.

> Aaron
> 
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com 
> <mailto:info at lojic.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I posted this on the Rails list, but I thought I'd ping y'all as well.
>     After Aaron's talk the other night, I thought I'd look into PostgreSQL.
> 
>     What is the preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3 on
>     Rails 2.0.2 ?
> 
>     Brian Adkins
> 
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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Mon Mar 31 18:04:46 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:04:46 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3
	on, Rails 2.0.2
In-Reply-To: <47F158EA.6000005@lojic.com>
References: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>
	<b077dce10803311419q1cec8cc8qfc17f32f5c25bb18@mail.gmail.com>
	<47F158EA.6000005@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10803311504u7304e658vac0b42d7a961a11a@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

This like should give you everything you need to get going.

http://www.robbyonrails.com/articles/2008/01/22/installing-ruby-on-rails-and-postgresql-on-os-x-third-edition

Aaron

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> Aaron Bedra wrote, On 03/31/2008 05:19 PM:
> > Brian,
> >
> > Are you referring to the ruby gem driver or the rails adapter?
>
> Is the Rails adapter independent of the Ruby gem driver? At any rate, I
> simply want to get Rails 2.0.2 to work properly with PostgreSQL 8.3 with
> the best adapters, drivers, etc. that money can buy :)
>
> For example, the following is from "Agile Web Development with Rails" v2:
>
> Postgres Adapter
> Requires: The ruby-postgres gem, installed using
> depot> gem install ruby-postgres
> ...
>
> However, I've read that the ruby-postgres gem is unmaintained and has
> been forked which lead me to my current query regarding the best way to
> configure the latest Rails for the latest PostgreSQL.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> > Aaron
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com
> > <mailto:info at lojic.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I posted this on the Rails list, but I thought I'd ping y'all as
> well.
> >     After Aaron's talk the other night, I thought I'd look into
> PostgreSQL.
> >
> >     What is the preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3 on
> >     Rails 2.0.2 ?
> >
> >     Brian Adkins
> >
> >     --
> >     http://www.lojic.com/
> >     http://lojic.com/blog/
> >     _______________________________________________
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> >     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
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From info at lojic.com  Mon Mar 31 18:20:25 2008
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:20:25 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3
 on, Rails 2.0.2
In-Reply-To: <b077dce10803311504u7304e658vac0b42d7a961a11a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>	<b077dce10803311419q1cec8cc8qfc17f32f5c25bb18@mail.gmail.com>	<47F158EA.6000005@lojic.com>
	<b077dce10803311504u7304e658vac0b42d7a961a11a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F163A9.90103@lojic.com>

Aaron Bedra wrote, On 03/31/2008 06:04 PM:
> Brian,
> 
> This like should give you everything you need to get going.
> 
> http://www.robbyonrails.com/articles/2008/01/22/installing-ruby-on-rails-and-postgresql-on-os-x-third-edition

Thanks Aaron.

To save others from much scrolling, the article recommends the postgres gem:

sudo gem install --include-dependencies postgres

[one of the commenters mentioned that --include-dependencies is the 
default now, so it's superfluous above]

One of my associates had already installed the postgres gem on our 
Debian server with PostgreSQL 8.3 and it seemed to be working fine. I 
was attempting to verify it was the best choice. I haven't seen much to 
the contrary on the web, so we'll go with it.

> 
> Aaron
> 
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com 
> <mailto:info at lojic.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Aaron Bedra wrote, On 03/31/2008 05:19 PM:
>      > Brian,
>      >
>      > Are you referring to the ruby gem driver or the rails adapter?
> 
>     Is the Rails adapter independent of the Ruby gem driver? At any rate, I
>     simply want to get Rails 2.0.2 to work properly with PostgreSQL 8.3 with
>     the best adapters, drivers, etc. that money can buy :)
> 
>     For example, the following is from "Agile Web Development with
>     Rails" v2:
> 
>     Postgres Adapter
>     Requires: The ruby-postgres gem, installed using
>     depot> gem install ruby-postgres
>     ...
> 
>     However, I've read that the ruby-postgres gem is unmaintained and has
>     been forked which lead me to my current query regarding the best way to
>     configure the latest Rails for the latest PostgreSQL.
> 
>     Hope that helps.
> 
>      > Aaron
>      >
>      > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com
>     <mailto:info at lojic.com>
>      > <mailto:info at lojic.com <mailto:info at lojic.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     I posted this on the Rails list, but I thought I'd ping y'all
>     as well.
>      >     After Aaron's talk the other night, I thought I'd look into
>     PostgreSQL.
>      >
>      >     What is the preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3 on
>      >     Rails 2.0.2 ?
>      >
>      >     Brian Adkins
>      >
>      >     --
>      >     http://www.lojic.com/
>      >     http://lojic.com/blog/
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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Mon Mar 31 18:30:20 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:30:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL 8.3
	on, Rails 2.0.2
In-Reply-To: <47F163A9.90103@lojic.com>
References: <47F15480.5090501@lojic.com>
	<b077dce10803311419q1cec8cc8qfc17f32f5c25bb18@mail.gmail.com>
	<47F158EA.6000005@lojic.com>
	<b077dce10803311504u7304e658vac0b42d7a961a11a@mail.gmail.com>
	<47F163A9.90103@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10803311530n62966d15u46c0a2a80ff4dc38@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

That seems to be the way most people are doing it.  Robby develops almost
solely on postgres and I trust his word over most others since he has a good
amount of experience with it.  I use this method as well and to date haven't
had any problems.

Aaron

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> Aaron Bedra wrote, On 03/31/2008 06:04 PM:
> > Brian,
> >
> > This like should give you everything you need to get going.
> >
> >
> http://www.robbyonrails.com/articles/2008/01/22/installing-ruby-on-rails-and-postgresql-on-os-x-third-edition
>
> Thanks Aaron.
>
> To save others from much scrolling, the article recommends the postgres
> gem:
>
> sudo gem install --include-dependencies postgres
>
> [one of the commenters mentioned that --include-dependencies is the
> default now, so it's superfluous above]
>
> One of my associates had already installed the postgres gem on our
> Debian server with PostgreSQL 8.3 and it seemed to be working fine. I
> was attempting to verify it was the best choice. I haven't seen much to
> the contrary on the web, so we'll go with it.
>
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com
> > <mailto:info at lojic.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Aaron Bedra wrote, On 03/31/2008 05:19 PM:
> >      > Brian,
> >      >
> >      > Are you referring to the ruby gem driver or the rails adapter?
> >
> >     Is the Rails adapter independent of the Ruby gem driver? At any
> rate, I
> >     simply want to get Rails 2.0.2 to work properly with PostgreSQL 8.3with
> >     the best adapters, drivers, etc. that money can buy :)
> >
> >     For example, the following is from "Agile Web Development with
> >     Rails" v2:
> >
> >     Postgres Adapter
> >     Requires: The ruby-postgres gem, installed using
> >     depot> gem install ruby-postgres
> >     ...
> >
> >     However, I've read that the ruby-postgres gem is unmaintained and
> has
> >     been forked which lead me to my current query regarding the best way
> to
> >     configure the latest Rails for the latest PostgreSQL.
> >
> >     Hope that helps.
> >
> >      > Aaron
> >      >
> >      > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com
> >     <mailto:info at lojic.com>
> >      > <mailto:info at lojic.com <mailto:info at lojic.com>>> wrote:
> >      >
> >      >     I posted this on the Rails list, but I thought I'd ping y'all
> >     as well.
> >      >     After Aaron's talk the other night, I thought I'd look into
> >     PostgreSQL.
> >      >
> >      >     What is the preferred Active Record adapter for PostgreSQL
> 8.3 on
> >      >     Rails 2.0.2 ?
> >      >
> >      >     Brian Adkins
> >      >
> >      >     --
> >      >     http://www.lojic.com/
> >      >     http://lojic.com/blog/
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