From rick.denatale at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 11:54:33 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:54:33 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Anyone using Capybara with Cucumber? Message-ID: I'm looking at converting my cucumber config to use capybara since it promises to more smoothly integrate both stories needing javascript (either via Selenium 2 or Culerity/Celerity) and those which can be run using rack/test. I've upgraded cucumber, and installed capybara, but I'm running into a problem that looks like somewhere along the way cookies are being tossed, if you'll pardon the phrasing. So one story looks like this (it's one of many which are failing under the new regime, but its the one I'm focusing on): Scenario: View News Item feeds Given I am Phileas Fogg And I work for "World Travel Corp" And I have a matter "World Trip" And I request the news event feed Then I should get a valid atom feed The first three given's just make sure that I have the needed models in the DB, The request the news feed step looks like this: Given /^I request the items feed$/ do Given "I am logged in" visit items_url(:format => 'atom') end The internally invoked given step looks like this: Given /^I am logging in/ do Given %{I am on "the home page"} if page =~ /Log Out/ click_link("Log Out") end Then %{I should see "Login"} end Given /^I am logged in$/ do Given %{I am logging in"} Given %{I fill in "Login" with "#{@current_user.login}"} Given %{I fill in "Password" with "#{@current_users_password}"} Given %{I press "Login"} end So I log out if needed (since it might be a different user who is logged in) then log in. Now when I run this and tail the log, I can see the login request, followed by a redirect to the right landing page, But then the step which checks the feed result fails because I can see that the session cookie isn't being sent by the browser simulator so the login_required before filter redirects to the login page. Any ideas? -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From adam at thewilliams.ws Wed Feb 3 12:12:37 2010 From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:12:37 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Anyone using Capybara with Cucumber? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38A7637A-15E7-4BEA-A56F-B213E97B0326@thewilliams.ws> Capybara is NOT using Rails' integration.rb, but the rack-test gem. Be careful about that! It killed three hours of my life. Capybara does not want you touching the requests/sessions in the tests. HTH, Adam On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > I'm looking at converting my cucumber config to use capybara since it > promises to more smoothly integrate both stories needing javascript > (either via Selenium 2 or Culerity/Celerity) and those which can be > run using rack/test. > > I've upgraded cucumber, and installed capybara, but I'm running into a > problem that looks like somewhere along the way cookies are being > tossed, if you'll pardon the phrasing. > > So one story looks like this (it's one of many which are failing under > the new regime, but its the one I'm focusing on): > > Scenario: View News Item feeds > Given I am Phileas Fogg > And I work for "World Travel Corp" > And I have a matter "World Trip" > And I request the news event feed > Then I should get a valid atom feed > > The first three given's just make sure that I have the needed models in the DB, > > The request the news feed step looks like this: > > Given /^I request the items feed$/ do > Given "I am logged in" > visit items_url(:format => 'atom') > end > > The internally invoked given step looks like this: > > > Given /^I am logging in/ do > Given %{I am on "the home page"} > if page =~ /Log Out/ > click_link("Log Out") > end > Then %{I should see "Login"} > end > > Given /^I am logged in$/ do > Given %{I am logging in"} > Given %{I fill in "Login" with "#{@current_user.login}"} > Given %{I fill in "Password" with "#{@current_users_password}"} > Given %{I press "Login"} > end > > So I log out if needed (since it might be a different user who is > logged in) then log in. > > Now when I run this and tail the log, I can see the login request, > followed by a redirect to the right landing page, > > But then the step which checks the feed result fails because I can see > that the session cookie isn't being sent by the browser simulator so > the login_required before filter redirects to the login page. > > Any ideas? > > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From rick.denatale at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 12:53:03 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:53:03 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Anyone using Capybara with Cucumber? In-Reply-To: <38A7637A-15E7-4BEA-A56F-B213E97B0326@thewilliams.ws> References: <38A7637A-15E7-4BEA-A56F-B213E97B0326@thewilliams.ws> Message-ID: I'm not. I'm expecting it to do the right thing, and it doesn't seem to be. I did insert some logging into the login_require method in authenticated_system to see what it looked like on the 'server' side. def login_required logger.error("*"*40) logger.error(" session = #{session.to_yaml}") logger.error(" cookies = #{cookies.to_yaml}") logger.error("*"*40) authorized? || access_denied end So that I could see what cookies were being received and see this, which is how I know what the problem is: Processing SessionsController#create (for 127.0.0.1 at 2010-02-03 12:14:21) [POST] Parameters: {"login"=>"phileas.fogg", "password"=>"[FILTERED]", "remember_me"=>"1", "commit"=>"Login", "controller"=>"sessions", "action"=>"create"} User Load (0.6ms) SELECT * FROM `users` WHERE (activated_at is not null and suspended_at is null) SQL (0.1ms) SAVEPOINT active_record_1 SQL (0.3ms) SELECT max(`audits`.version) AS max_version FROM `audits` WHERE (`audits`.`auditable_id` = 71 AND `audits`.`auditable_type` = 'User') Audit Create (0.2ms) INSERT INTO `audits` (`auditable_id`, `auditable_type`, `user_id`, `user_type`, `username`, `action`, `changes`, `version`, `created_at`) VALUES(71, 'User', NULL, NULL, '--- :false\n', 'update', '--- \nremember_token_expires_at: \n- \n- 2010-02-10 17:14:21.328993 Z\nremember_token: \n- \n- 0a5cb24d37d22cdbc8961a8fdf1bd31ff0de3298\n', 2, '2010-02-03 17:14:21') User Update (0.3ms) UPDATE `users` SET `remember_token_expires_at` = '2010-02-10 17:14:21', `remember_token` = '0a5cb24d37d22cdbc8961a8fdf1bd31ff0de3298', `updated_at` = '2010-02-03 17:14:21' WHERE `id` = 71 SOLR turned off. Not indexing User:71. SQL (0.2ms) RELEASE SAVEPOINT active_record_1 Redirected to http://example.org/ Completed in 11ms (DB: 2) | 302 Found [http://example.org/session] Processing PagesController#show (for 127.0.0.1 at 2010-02-03 12:14:21) [GET] Parameters: {"controller"=>"pages", "action"=>"show"} **************************************** session = --- !map:ActionController::Session::AbstractStore::SessionHash {} cookies = --- !map:ActionController::CookieJar _onit_session: BAh7CDoPc2Vzc2lvbl9pZCIlMzEzNDEzNGM2NDA0NWQwNWE1MDI3NmRiMGJhOTk0Mzk6DHVzZXJfaWRpTEkiCmZsYXNoBjoNZW5jb2RpbmciDVVTLUFTQ0lJSUM6J0FjdGlvbkNvbnRyb2xsZXI6OkZsYXNoOjpGbGFzaEhhc2h7BjoLbm90aWNlSSIcTG9nZ2VkIGluIHN1Y2Nlc3NmdWxseS4GOwciClVURi04BjoKQHVzZWR7BjsJRg==--d6fdb8380b84fbe28a9410f3c76b670fae353582 auth_token: 0a5cb24d37d22cdbc8961a8fdf1bd31ff0de3298 **************************************** So the cookie is being properly sent when the browser handles the redirect, which is done inside Rack::Test before capybara gets control back, but then with it (capybara) makes the next request we have: Processing NewsEventsController#index to atom (for 127.0.0.1 at 2010-02-03 12:14:21) [GET] Parameters: {"controller"=>"news_events", "action"=>"index", "format"=>"atom"} **************************************** session = --- !map:ActionController::Session::AbstractStore::SessionHash {} cookies = --- !map:ActionController::CookieJar {} **************************************** Filter chain halted as [:login_required] rendered_or_redirected. No Cookie! I can't seem to find any code in capybara which is dealing with cookies, but I know it must be there somewhere or lots of folks using restful_auth or something like it would be running into similar issues, I'd guess. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Adam Williams wrote: > Capybara is NOT using Rails' integration.rb, but the rack-test gem. Be careful about that! It killed three hours of my life. Capybara does not want you touching the requests/sessions in the tests. > > HTH, > > ?Adam > > On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > >> I'm looking at converting my cucumber config to use capybara since it >> promises to more smoothly integrate both stories needing javascript >> (either via Selenium 2 or Culerity/Celerity) and those which can be >> run using rack/test. >> >> I've upgraded cucumber, and installed capybara, but I'm running into a >> problem that looks like somewhere along the way cookies are being >> tossed, if you'll pardon the phrasing. >> >> So one story looks like this (it's one of many which are failing under >> the new regime, but its the one I'm focusing on): >> >> ?Scenario: View News Item feeds >> ? ?Given I am Phileas Fogg >> ? ?And I work for "World Travel Corp" >> ? ?And I have a matter "World Trip" >> ? ?And I request the news event feed >> ? ?Then I should get a valid atom feed >> >> The first three given's just make sure that I have the needed models in the DB, >> >> The request the news feed step looks like this: >> >> Given /^I request the items feed$/ do >> ?Given "I am logged in" >> ?visit items_url(:format => 'atom') >> end >> >> The internally invoked given step looks like this: >> >> >> Given /^I am logging in/ do >> ?Given %{I am on "the home page"} >> ?if page =~ /Log Out/ >> ? ?click_link("Log Out") >> ? end >> ?Then %{I should see "Login"} >> end >> >> Given /^I am logged in$/ do >> ?Given %{I am logging in"} >> ?Given %{I fill in "Login" with "#{@current_user.login}"} >> ?Given %{I fill in "Password" with "#{@current_users_password}"} >> ?Given %{I press "Login"} >> end >> >> So I log out if needed (since it might be a different user who is >> logged in) then log in. >> >> Now when I run this and tail the log, I can see the login request, >> followed by a redirect to the right landing page, >> >> But then the step which checks the feed result fails because I can see >> that the session cookie isn't being sent by the browser simulator so >> the login_required before filter redirects to the login page. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> -- >> Rick DeNatale >> >> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale >> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From rick.denatale at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 18:33:09 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:33:09 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Anyone using Capybara with Cucumber? In-Reply-To: References: <38A7637A-15E7-4BEA-A56F-B213E97B0326@thewilliams.ws> Message-ID: Just a follow up. I tracked it down to the fact that some requests were using the host www.example.com, and others example.org which blocked the authentication token and session cookies. The example.org was coming from rack-test when a path rather than a url was used in a request, and www.example.org was used for requests using a url helper to generate the uri. I'm still not sure just where the default host for url helpers is coming from in the cucumber environment. So there's a bug in either capybara or rack-test which kills the ability to use path helpers rather than url helpers, and that's not a good thing. I've monkeypatched my copy of the capybara gem to override the default host for rack-test to be www.example.com but a real fix to the problem is probably more subtle than what I've done. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > I'm not. ?I'm expecting it to do the right thing, and it doesn't seem to be. > > I did insert some logging into the login_require method in > authenticated_system to see what it looked like on the 'server' side. > > ? ?def login_required > ? ? ?logger.error("*"*40) > ? ? ?logger.error(" ?session = #{session.to_yaml}") > ? ? ?logger.error(" ?cookies = #{cookies.to_yaml}") > ? ? ?logger.error("*"*40) > ? ? ?authorized? || access_denied > ? ?end > > So that I could see what cookies were being received and see this, > which is how I know what the problem is: > > Processing SessionsController#create (for 127.0.0.1 at 2010-02-03 > 12:14:21) [POST] > ?Parameters: {"login"=>"phileas.fogg", "password"=>"[FILTERED]", > "remember_me"=>"1", "commit"=>"Login", "controller"=>"sessions", > "action"=>"create"} > ?User Load (0.6ms) ? SELECT * FROM `users` WHERE (activated_at is not > null and suspended_at is null) > ?SQL (0.1ms) ? SAVEPOINT active_record_1 > ?SQL (0.3ms) ? SELECT max(`audits`.version) AS max_version FROM > `audits` WHERE (`audits`.`auditable_id` = 71 AND > `audits`.`auditable_type` = 'User') > ?Audit Create (0.2ms) ? INSERT INTO `audits` (`auditable_id`, > `auditable_type`, `user_id`, `user_type`, `username`, `action`, > `changes`, `version`, `created_at`) VALUES(71, 'User', NULL, NULL, > '--- :false\n', 'update', '--- \nremember_token_expires_at: \n- \n- > 2010-02-10 17:14:21.328993 Z\nremember_token: \n- \n- > 0a5cb24d37d22cdbc8961a8fdf1bd31ff0de3298\n', 2, '2010-02-03 17:14:21') > ?User Update (0.3ms) ? UPDATE `users` SET `remember_token_expires_at` > = '2010-02-10 17:14:21', `remember_token` = > '0a5cb24d37d22cdbc8961a8fdf1bd31ff0de3298', `updated_at` = '2010-02-03 > 17:14:21' WHERE `id` = 71 > SOLR turned off. ?Not indexing User:71. > ?SQL (0.2ms) ? RELEASE SAVEPOINT active_record_1 > Redirected to http://example.org/ > Completed in 11ms (DB: 2) | 302 Found [http://example.org/session] > > > Processing PagesController#show (for 127.0.0.1 at 2010-02-03 12:14:21) [GET] > ?Parameters: {"controller"=>"pages", "action"=>"show"} > **************************************** > ?session = --- !map:ActionController::Session::AbstractStore::SessionHash {} > > ?cookies = --- !map:ActionController::CookieJar > _onit_session: BAh7CDoPc2Vzc2lvbl9pZCIlMzEzNDEzNGM2NDA0NWQwNWE1MDI3NmRiMGJhOTk0Mzk6DHVzZXJfaWRpTEkiCmZsYXNoBjoNZW5jb2RpbmciDVVTLUFTQ0lJSUM6J0FjdGlvbkNvbnRyb2xsZXI6OkZsYXNoOjpGbGFzaEhhc2h7BjoLbm90aWNlSSIcTG9nZ2VkIGluIHN1Y2Nlc3NmdWxseS4GOwciClVURi04BjoKQHVzZWR7BjsJRg==--d6fdb8380b84fbe28a9410f3c76b670fae353582 > auth_token: 0a5cb24d37d22cdbc8961a8fdf1bd31ff0de3298 > **************************************** > > So the cookie is being properly sent when the browser handles the > redirect, which is done inside Rack::Test before capybara gets control > back, but then with it (capybara) makes the next request we have: > > Processing NewsEventsController#index to atom (for 127.0.0.1 at > 2010-02-03 12:14:21) [GET] > ?Parameters: {"controller"=>"news_events", "action"=>"index", "format"=>"atom"} > **************************************** > ?session = --- !map:ActionController::Session::AbstractStore::SessionHash {} > > ?cookies = --- !map:ActionController::CookieJar {} > > **************************************** > Filter chain halted as [:login_required] rendered_or_redirected. > > No Cookie! > > I can't seem to find any code in capybara which is dealing with > cookies, but I know it must be there somewhere or lots of folks using > restful_auth or something like it would be running into similar > issues, I'd guess. > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Adam Williams wrote: >> Capybara is NOT using Rails' integration.rb, but the rack-test gem. Be careful about that! It killed three hours of my life. Capybara does not want you touching the requests/sessions in the tests. >> >> HTH, >> >> ?Adam >> >> On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote: >> >>> I'm looking at converting my cucumber config to use capybara since it >>> promises to more smoothly integrate both stories needing javascript >>> (either via Selenium 2 or Culerity/Celerity) and those which can be >>> run using rack/test. >>> >>> I've upgraded cucumber, and installed capybara, but I'm running into a >>> problem that looks like somewhere along the way cookies are being >>> tossed, if you'll pardon the phrasing. >>> >>> So one story looks like this (it's one of many which are failing under >>> the new regime, but its the one I'm focusing on): >>> >>> ?Scenario: View News Item feeds >>> ? ?Given I am Phileas Fogg >>> ? ?And I work for "World Travel Corp" >>> ? ?And I have a matter "World Trip" >>> ? ?And I request the news event feed >>> ? ?Then I should get a valid atom feed >>> >>> The first three given's just make sure that I have the needed models in the DB, >>> >>> The request the news feed step looks like this: >>> >>> Given /^I request the items feed$/ do >>> ?Given "I am logged in" >>> ?visit items_url(:format => 'atom') >>> end >>> >>> The internally invoked given step looks like this: >>> >>> >>> Given /^I am logging in/ do >>> ?Given %{I am on "the home page"} >>> ?if page =~ /Log Out/ >>> ? ?click_link("Log Out") >>> ? end >>> ?Then %{I should see "Login"} >>> end >>> >>> Given /^I am logged in$/ do >>> ?Given %{I am logging in"} >>> ?Given %{I fill in "Login" with "#{@current_user.login}"} >>> ?Given %{I fill in "Password" with "#{@current_users_password}"} >>> ?Given %{I press "Login"} >>> end >>> >>> So I log out if needed (since it might be a different user who is >>> logged in) then log in. >>> >>> Now when I run this and tail the log, I can see the login request, >>> followed by a redirect to the right landing page, >>> >>> But then the step which checks the feed result fails because I can see >>> that the session cookie isn't being sent by the browser simulator so >>> the login_required before filter redirects to the login page. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rick DeNatale >>> >>> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale >>> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale >>> _______________________________________________ >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > > > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From rick.denatale at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:29:59 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:29:59 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Hackfest this evening. Is anyone actually going? Message-ID: Right now Matthew is the only one to have RSVPed. No offense Matthew, but I don't know if I want to trek out to Briarcreek just to see you. -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From pelargir at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:35:09 2010 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:35:09 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Hackfest this evening. Is anyone actually going? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <281A0B60-FAB2-4EA8-AF19-F48330B9DB3F@gmail.com> On Feb 4, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > Right now Matthew is the only one to have RSVPed. > > No offense Matthew, but I don't know if I want to trek out to > Briarcreek just to see you. None taken. Since hack night is less formal, folks usually don't RSVP. That said, if you're planning on coming please +1 to the list. Matthew From martin.streicher at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:20:15 2010 From: martin.streicher at gmail.com (Martin Streicher) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:20:15 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku Message-ID: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL certificate to protect credit card form data. The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one controller that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form data and talks to Authorize.net. A few questions, then: 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to https://.... when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... Do I need to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are equally accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just work? 3/ The alternate URL for the app is http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary domain name. Is that correct? What haven't I thought of? Martin From mike at hales.ws Mon Feb 8 21:48:32 2010 From: mike at hales.ws (Michael Hale) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:48:32 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher wrote: > > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL certificate to protect credit card form data. > > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one controller that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form data and talks to Authorize.net. > > A few questions, then: > > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect multiple sub-domains. > > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to https://.... when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... ?Do I need to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are equally accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just work? I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a controller or at the rack level. > > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary domain name. Is that correct? You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller or in rack. HTH > > What haven't I thought of? > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From blakewatters at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 22:43:07 2010 From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:43:07 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku is that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE 6) or mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling virtual hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free and works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile browsers. To support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month to get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind Varnish. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher > wrote: > > > > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL certificate > to protect credit card form data. > > > > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one controller > that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form data and talks > to Authorize.net. > > > > A few questions, then: > > > > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, to > save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a wildcard > cert) need only protect that domain. > > Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect > multiple sub-domains. > > > > > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to https://.... > when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... Do I need to > do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are equally > accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just work? > > I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that > rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you > are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In > regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for > a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a > controller or at the rack level. > > > > > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is > http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a > redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary > domain name. Is that correct? > > You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same > webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the > primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller > or in rack. > > HTH > > > > > What haven't I thought of? > > > > Martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Tue Feb 9 10:25:23 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:25:23 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> Hey Blake, Does the CoreNetwork library on iPhone support SNI? Jimmy On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Blake Watters wrote: > Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku is > that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE 6) or > mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling virtual > hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free and > works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, > Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile browsers. To > support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month to > get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind Varnish. > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher >> wrote: >> > >> > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL certificate >> to protect credit card form data. >> > >> > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one controller >> that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form data and talks >> to Authorize.net. >> > >> > A few questions, then: >> > >> > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, >> to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a >> wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. >> >> Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect >> multiple sub-domains. >> >> > >> > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to https://.... >> when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... Do I need >> to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are equally >> accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just work? >> >> I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that >> rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you >> are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In >> regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for >> a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a >> controller or at the rack level. >> >> > >> > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is >> http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a >> redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary >> domain name. Is that correct? >> >> You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same >> webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the >> primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller >> or in rack. >> >> HTH >> >> > >> > What haven't I thought of? >> > >> > Martin >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blakewatters at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 11:51:42 2010 From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:51:42 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41b7447c1002090851r309a0bbdl288564468c8ec715@mail.gmail.com> I do not believe so. I have an app hosted on Heroku with SNI that I just tried to visit in Mobile Safari and I got a certificate warning -- even though Firefox, etc load the site just fine. Doubtful that Core Network would support it while higher level NSURLConnection API's don't... On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > Hey Blake, > > Does the CoreNetwork library on iPhone support SNI? > > Jimmy > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Blake Watters wrote: > >> Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku is >> that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE 6) or >> mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling virtual >> hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free and >> works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, >> Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile browsers. To >> support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month to >> get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind Varnish. >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL certificate >>> to protect credit card form data. >>> > >>> > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one controller >>> that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form data and talks >>> to Authorize.net. >>> > >>> > A few questions, then: >>> > >>> > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, >>> to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a >>> wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. >>> >>> Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect >>> multiple sub-domains. >>> >>> > >>> > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to https://.... >>> when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... Do I need >>> to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are equally >>> accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just work? >>> >>> I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that >>> rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you >>> are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In >>> regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for >>> a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a >>> controller or at the rack level. >>> >>> > >>> > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is >>> http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a >>> redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary >>> domain name. Is that correct? >>> >>> You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same >>> webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the >>> primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller >>> or in rack. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> > >>> > What haven't I thought of? >>> > >>> > Martin >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.denatale at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 12:43:46 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:43:46 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: <41b7447c1002090851r309a0bbdl288564468c8ec715@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002090851r309a0bbdl288564468c8ec715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is that a lack of SNI, or is that Mobile Safari, doesn't trust the authority of the certificate. Those are two different things, right? Or do I misunderstand? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Blake Watters wrote: > I do not believe so. I have an app hosted on Heroku with SNI that I just > tried to visit in Mobile Safari and I got a certificate warning -- even > though Firefox, etc load the site just fine. Doubtful that Core Network > would support it while higher level NSURLConnection API's don't... > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jimmy Thrasher > wrote: >> >> Hey Blake, >> Does the CoreNetwork library on iPhone support SNI? >> Jimmy >> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Blake Watters >> wrote: >>> >>> Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku is >>> that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE 6) or >>> mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling virtual >>> hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free and >>> works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, >>> Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile browsers. To >>> support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month to >>> get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind Varnish. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL >>>> > certificate to protect credit card form data. >>>> > >>>> > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one >>>> > controller that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form >>>> > data and talks to Authorize.net. >>>> > >>>> > A few questions, then: >>>> > >>>> > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, >>>> > to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a >>>> > wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. >>>> >>>> Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect >>>> multiple sub-domains. >>>> >>>> > >>>> > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to >>>> > https://.... when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... >>>> > ?Do I need to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are >>>> > equally accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just >>>> > work? >>>> >>>> I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that >>>> rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you >>>> are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In >>>> regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for >>>> a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a >>>> controller or at the rack level. >>>> >>>> > >>>> > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is >>>> > http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a >>>> > redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary >>>> > domain name. Is that correct? >>>> >>>> You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same >>>> webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the >>>> primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller >>>> or in rack. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> > >>>> > What haven't I thought of? >>>> > >>>> > Martin >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From mike at hales.ws Tue Feb 9 12:57:33 2010 From: mike at hales.ws (Michael Hale) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:57:33 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002090851r309a0bbdl288564468c8ec715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60190a731002090957y1f2822f8xc692562b91cbb75d@mail.gmail.com> SNI sounds very interesting. Does anyone know what the handshake looks like between the browser and the server? I understand that there is some additional information on the certificate, but I don't understand why only certain browsers are not supported and how the additional information is used. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > Is that a lack of SNI, or is that Mobile Safari, doesn't trust the > authority of the certificate. ?Those are two different things, right? > Or do I misunderstand? > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Blake Watters wrote: >> I do not believe so. I have an app hosted on Heroku with SNI that I just >> tried to visit in Mobile Safari and I got a certificate warning -- even >> though Firefox, etc load the site just fine. Doubtful that Core Network >> would support it while higher level NSURLConnection API's don't... >> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jimmy Thrasher >> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Blake, >>> Does the CoreNetwork library on iPhone support SNI? >>> Jimmy >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Blake Watters >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku is >>>> that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE 6) or >>>> mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling virtual >>>> hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free and >>>> works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, >>>> Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile browsers. To >>>> support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month to >>>> get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind Varnish. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL >>>>> > certificate to protect credit card form data. >>>>> > >>>>> > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one >>>>> > controller that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase form >>>>> > data and talks to Authorize.net. >>>>> > >>>>> > A few questions, then: >>>>> > >>>>> > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I assume, >>>>> > to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not a >>>>> > wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. >>>>> >>>>> Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect >>>>> multiple sub-domains. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to >>>>> > https://.... when the controller sees an incoming reference to http://... >>>>> > ?Do I need to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS files are >>>>> > equally accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all just >>>>> > work? >>>>> >>>>> I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that >>>>> rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you >>>>> are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In >>>>> regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for >>>>> a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a >>>>> controller or at the rack level. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is >>>>> > http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS or a >>>>> > redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the primary >>>>> > domain name. Is that correct? >>>>> >>>>> You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same >>>>> webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the >>>>> primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller >>>>> or in rack. >>>>> >>>>> HTH >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > What haven't I thought of? >>>>> > >>>>> > Martin >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>>>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > > > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Tue Feb 9 13:02:36 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:02:36 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: <60190a731002090957y1f2822f8xc692562b91cbb75d@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002090851r309a0bbdl288564468c8ec715@mail.gmail.com> <60190a731002090957y1f2822f8xc692562b91cbb75d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <214f16691002091002x2f5c02dbqb6af6af52a3af71c@mail.gmail.com> This site gives a simple conversation view of the protocol: http://journal.paul.querna.org/articles/2005/04/24/tls-server-name-indication/ The TLS libraries themselves would have to change, so, for instance, Windows XP "isn't supported," presumably because MS isn't doing upgrades to XP, and most software uses the XP SSL libraries. However, I imagine you can use the OpenSSL libraries and import support into XP. Jimmy On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Michael Hale wrote: > SNI sounds very interesting. Does anyone know what the handshake looks > like between the browser and the server? I understand that there is > some additional information on the certificate, but I don't understand > why only certain browsers are not supported and how the additional > information is used. > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rick DeNatale > wrote: > > Is that a lack of SNI, or is that Mobile Safari, doesn't trust the > > authority of the certificate. Those are two different things, right? > > Or do I misunderstand? > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Blake Watters > wrote: > >> I do not believe so. I have an app hosted on Heroku with SNI that I just > >> tried to visit in Mobile Safari and I got a certificate warning -- even > >> though Firefox, etc load the site just fine. Doubtful that Core Network > >> would support it while higher level NSURLConnection API's don't... > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jimmy Thrasher < > jimmy at jimmythrasher.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey Blake, > >>> Does the CoreNetwork library on iPhone support SNI? > >>> Jimmy > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Blake Watters > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku > is > >>>> that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE > 6) or > >>>> mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling > virtual > >>>> hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free > and > >>>> works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, > >>>> Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile > browsers. To > >>>> support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month > to > >>>> get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind > Varnish. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL > >>>>> > certificate to protect credit card form data. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one > >>>>> > controller that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase > form > >>>>> > data and talks to Authorize.net. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > A few questions, then: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I > assume, > >>>>> > to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not > a > >>>>> > wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect > >>>>> multiple sub-domains. > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to > >>>>> > https://.... when the controller sees an incoming reference to > http://... > >>>>> > Do I need to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS > files are > >>>>> > equally accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all > just > >>>>> > work? > >>>>> > >>>>> I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that > >>>>> rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you > >>>>> are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In > >>>>> regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver > for > >>>>> a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a > >>>>> controller or at the rack level. > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is > >>>>> > http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS > or a > >>>>> > redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the > primary > >>>>> > domain name. Is that correct? > >>>>> > >>>>> You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same > >>>>> webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to > the > >>>>> primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller > >>>>> or in rack. > >>>>> > >>>>> HTH > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > What haven't I thought of? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Martin > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>>>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Rick DeNatale > > > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blakewatters at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 13:06:51 2010 From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:06:51 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Question about SSL and Heroku In-Reply-To: References: <0C5293E8-4BC1-466E-8FB4-0FD7CCECBE65@gmail.com> <60190a731002081848x53d0a87bi376e2ebac06e3310@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002081943i46520ed3j282b8838e0a9ff32@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002090725l76c95d1fjf9ccfb3c5f6532a5@mail.gmail.com> <41b7447c1002090851r309a0bbdl288564468c8ec715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41b7447c1002091006l2d5ec833o2f70e6d9933ee32e@mail.gmail.com> Rick - I appended the chain certificate file to the SSL cert when I uploaded it to Heroku. The chain cert establishes a chain of trust back from the GoDaddy purchased cert to VeriSign, so its not clear to me that it shouldn't trust the cert authority. Googling for SNI and mobile safari yields few results, so I'm not 100% here and just poked at it for a minute. You will get a certificate trust error when the server doesn't support SNI -- the web server will return the certificate for the first configured vhost, which will mismatch with your requested domain. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > Is that a lack of SNI, or is that Mobile Safari, doesn't trust the > authority of the certificate. Those are two different things, right? > Or do I misunderstand? > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Blake Watters > wrote: > > I do not believe so. I have an app hosted on Heroku with SNI that I just > > tried to visit in Mobile Safari and I got a certificate warning -- even > > though Firefox, etc load the site just fine. Doubtful that Core Network > > would support it while higher level NSURLConnection API's don't... > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jimmy Thrasher > > > wrote: > >> > >> Hey Blake, > >> Does the CoreNetwork library on iPhone support SNI? > >> Jimmy > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Blake Watters > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Something to note about using SSL + alternate domain names on Heroku is > >>> that it gets quite expensive if you need to support legacy (read: IE 6) > or > >>> mobile browsers. Heroku supports SSL via SNI (SSL extension enabling > virtual > >>> hosted SSL domains) or a dedicated IP address. The SNI support is free > and > >>> works in all modern desktop browsers (IE 7+, Chrome, Opera, Safari, > >>> Firefox), but IE 6 does not have SNI support nor do most mobile > browsers. To > >>> support those clients you have to shell out like an extra $120 a month > to > >>> get a dedicated IP address so you aren't virtual hosted behind Varnish. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Michael Hale wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Martin Streicher > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > I have an app about to go live -- the last piece is the SSL > >>>> > certificate to protect credit card form data. > >>>> > > >>>> > The app runs on Heroku (which is awesome). There is only one > >>>> > controller that needs protection -- the one that takes the purchase > form > >>>> > data and talks to Authorize.net. > >>>> > > >>>> > A few questions, then: > >>>> > > >>>> > 1/ The main page of the app is http://www.lsncharlotte.com. I > assume, > >>>> > to save the client money, that a plain old SSL certificate (and not > a > >>>> > wildcard cert) need only protect that domain. > >>>> > >>>> Yup, no reason for a wildcard certificate unless you want to protect > >>>> multiple sub-domains. > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > 2/ In the controller for purchases, I assume I can redirect to > >>>> > https://.... when the controller sees an incoming reference to > http://... > >>>> > Do I need to do anything special to make sure all the JS and CSS > files are > >>>> > equally accessible from https as they are from http? Or does it all > just > >>>> > work? > >>>> > >>>> I think everything will just work for you, because all the paths that > >>>> rails generates start with '/', so whatever protocol and domain you > >>>> are on will be used to serve all resources for a given page. In > >>>> regards to redirecting to https you could do this at the webserver for > >>>> a specific url (not sure if you can do that with heroku) or with a > >>>> controller or at the rack level. > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > 3/ The alternate URL for the app is > >>>> > http://www.learnsomethingnewcharlotte.com. I imagine I can use DNS > or a > >>>> > redirect (or both) in the application controller to redirect to the > primary > >>>> > domain name. Is that correct? > >>>> > >>>> You'll need to setup DNS to point to both domains to the same > >>>> webserver, and then you can configure the webserver to redirect to the > >>>> primary virtual host. You could also do the redirect in a controller > >>>> or in rack. > >>>> > >>>> HTH > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > What haven't I thought of? > >>>> > > >>>> > Martin > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's still possible to buy OEM versions of Windows XP, or even Vista, if you really wanted. You can go with ebay for the lowest price, but if that's not to your liking, Tiger Direct also sales them. - Mark M. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > What's the most economical way to get a licensed version of Windows to > run in a VM on my MBP? > > I guess these days, I'm going to be stuck with Windows 7?!? > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > What's the most economical way to get a licensed version of Windows to > run in a VM on my MBP? > > I guess these days, I'm going to be stuck with Windows 7?!? > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aaron at aaronbedra.com Thu Feb 11 17:49:51 2010 From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedrs) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:49:51 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Biting the bullet, windoze? In-Reply-To: <1af59b111002111419g1e6c1ddfjdb5e73b088d664ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1af59b111002111419g1e6c1ddfjdb5e73b088d664ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <214155CF-2A39-41FB-9303-18490ED7EA19@aaronbedra.com> I went over to intrex recently and got an own copy of 7 for the same cost as newegg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Jared Richardson wrote: > I discovered 64 bit XP a few years ago. I found it for $15. A quick > googling finds it for $30 > > http://www.goldmango.com/21413.html > > I haven't tried it in a VM though... > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale > wrote: > What's the most economical way to get a licensed version of Windows to > run in a VM on my MBP? > > I guess these days, I'm going to be stuck with Windows 7?!? > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.denatale at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 19:34:49 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:34:49 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Biting the bullet, windoze? In-Reply-To: <214155CF-2A39-41FB-9303-18490ED7EA19@aaronbedra.com> References: <1af59b111002111419g1e6c1ddfjdb5e73b088d664ae@mail.gmail.com> <214155CF-2A39-41FB-9303-18490ED7EA19@aaronbedra.com> Message-ID: Well the problem is solved, my client set me up. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Aaron Bedrs wrote: > I went over to intrex recently and got an own copy of 7 for the same cost as > newegg > > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Jared Richardson > wrote: > > I discovered 64 bit XP a few years ago. I found it for $15. A quick googling > finds it for $30 > http://www.goldmango.com/21413.html > I haven't tried it in a VM though... > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Rick DeNatale > wrote: >> >> What's the most economical way to get a licensed version of Windows to >> run in a VM on my MBP? >> >> I guess these days, I'm going to be stuck with Windows 7?!? >> >> -- >> Rick DeNatale >> >> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale >> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From thomas at ravinggenius.com Sat Feb 13 12:30:18 2010 From: thomas at ravinggenius.com (Thomas Ingram) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:30:18 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer Message-ID: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a "look" around. -- Thomas ><> Raving Genius? - foaming at the brain? m: 919 449.6305 e: thomas at ravinggenius.com w: http://log.ravinggenius.com/ wii: 6751 1365 9898 2150 From mike at hales.ws Sat Feb 13 18:14:29 2010 From: mike at hales.ws (Michael Hale) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:14:29 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60190a731002131514hdf82d0bs89e415fdf3518ced@mail.gmail.com> I can highly recommend all of these guys as web designers and great people to work with. http://twitter.com/imathis http://twitter.com/misterpowell http://twitter.com/danielbeach On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Thomas Ingram wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching > business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a > "look" around. > > -- > Thomas ><> > Raving Genius? - foaming at the brain? > m: 919 449.6305 > e: thomas at ravinggenius.com > w: http://log.ravinggenius.com/ > wii: 6751 1365 9898 2150 > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com Sat Feb 13 14:21:55 2010 From: jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com (Justis Peters) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:21:55 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> Thomas Ingram wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching > business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a > "look" around. > Local: http://www.beaconmilestone.com/ http://www.legadesigngroup.com/web/ http://graphickarma.com/ Crowdsourced: http://99designs.com/ http://www.crowdspring.com/ Kind regards, Justis From duff at omelia.org Sat Feb 13 19:23:17 2010 From: duff at omelia.org (Duff OMelia) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:23:17 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <60190a731002131514hdf82d0bs89e415fdf3518ced@mail.gmail.com> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> <60190a731002131514hdf82d0bs89e415fdf3518ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <812ef9f1002131623j638e145cg7ae103b43837a95e@mail.gmail.com> > I can highly recommend all of these guys as web designers and great > people to work with. > > http://twitter.com/imathis > http://twitter.com/misterpowell > http://twitter.com/danielbeach Ditto. ------------------------------------------------------------ Duff OMelia From efg at ncsu.edu Sat Feb 13 20:46:00 2010 From: efg at ncsu.edu (Ed Gehringer) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:46:00 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> Message-ID: <4B770F8D.7D16.00A7.0@gw.ncsu.edu> My next-door neighbor, Larry Thompson, Gravitation Studios, lt at gravitationstudios.com. He has been WRAL-TV's art director, among other jobs. -Ed >>> Justis Peters 2/13/2010 2:21 PM >>> Thomas Ingram wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching > business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a > "look" around. > Local: http://www.beaconmilestone.com/ http://www.legadesigngroup.com/web/ http://graphickarma.com/ Crowdsourced: http://99designs.com/ http://www.crowdspring.com/ Kind regards, Justis _______________________________________________ raleigh-rb-members mailing list raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nwalls at ismedia.org Sat Feb 13 21:35:16 2010 From: nwalls at ismedia.org (Nathan L. Walls) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:35:16 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Justis Peters wrote: > Thomas Ingram wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching >> business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a >> "look" around. >> > Local: > http://www.beaconmilestone.com/ > http://www.legadesigngroup.com/web/ > http://graphickarma.com/ > > Crowdsourced: > http://99designs.com/ > http://www.crowdspring.com/ I recommend caution on "crowdsourcing" design (or development) work. In essence, you're asking multiple chefs to cook to your specification, sample each dish, but only pay for the meal you like best. Everyone else goes home empty-handed. Cheers, Nathan -- Nathan L. Walls | http://wallscorp.us/ From thomas at ravinggenius.com Sat Feb 13 22:49:44 2010 From: thomas at ravinggenius.com (Thomas Ingram) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:49:44 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51ce9ce11002131949h7746d0e0q9ee7b877d2c439f0@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all for the recommendations! On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Thomas Ingram wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching > business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a > "look" around. -- Thomas ><> Raving Genius? - foaming at the brain? m: 919 449.6305 e: thomas at ravinggenius.com w: http://log.ravinggenius.com/ wii: 6751 1365 9898 2150 From belucid at acm.org Sun Feb 14 10:04:43 2010 From: belucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:04:43 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> Message-ID: Nathan, Thomas, Respectfully Nathan, your chef analogy would only seem damning if the chefs were forced to cook for you. In a crowd sourced design contest, each designer is choosing to participate because they want to. Ever been to a chili cookoff or a baking contest (or seen one on TV)? It's the exact scenario you describe, all but the best chili cook (based on the subjective opinion of the judge) goes home empty handed. No one clams these are bad or unethical. So why all the scorn on design contests? If told you were told you had to eat just one chili recipe for the rest of your life, would you prefer to hire one chef or run a chili contest? Some people would prefer to hire a chef to craft a recipe exactly to their liking, others, those less sure of their own taste in chili, would want to run a contest to sample a lot of different ideas about what chili can be. Your answer probably depends on how sure you are that you know exactly what you are looking for. So breaking out of the analogies... Thomas, if you have a logo in your minds eye, that you need a designer to realize, it's best to hire a talented designer whose portfolio of work seems to match the style you are looking for. If you have no idea what the logo should be, and you are looking for a variety of ideas to see what might catch your eye, I recommend a crowd sourced contest. If you go with the latter approach, here are some helpful hints I wrote up about running an effective design contest on one of the crowdsource design sites: http://www.mac-developer-network.com/columns/artoftheproduct/april09/ Cheers, Sean On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Nathan L. Walls wrote: > On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Justis Peters wrote: > >> Thomas Ingram wrote: >>> Can anyone recommend a good designer for my wife's piano teaching >>> business? The main thing we need is a logo, something to build a >>> "look" around. >>> >> Local: >> http://www.beaconmilestone.com/ >> http://www.legadesigngroup.com/web/ >> http://graphickarma.com/ >> >> Crowdsourced: >> http://99designs.com/ >> http://www.crowdspring.com/ > > I recommend caution on "crowdsourcing" design (or development) work. In essence, you're asking multiple chefs to cook to your specification, sample each dish, but only pay for the meal you like best. Everyone else goes home empty-handed. > > Cheers, > > Nathan > -- > Nathan L. Walls | http://wallscorp.us/ > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members __________ Sean Johnson belucid at acm.org From nwalls at ismedia.org Mon Feb 15 17:37:22 2010 From: nwalls at ismedia.org (Nathan L. Walls) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:37:22 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> Message-ID: <4C4D79CD-F2F7-488C-9848-EDB806E895B2@ismedia.org> On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Sean Johnson wrote: > Nathan, Thomas, > > Respectfully Nathan, your chef analogy would only seem damning if the chefs were forced to cook for you. In a crowd sourced design contest, each designer is choosing to participate because they want to. Ever been to a chili cookoff or a baking contest (or seen one on TV)? It's the exact scenario you describe, all but the best chili cook (based on the subjective opinion of the judge) goes home empty handed. No one clams these are bad or unethical. So why all the scorn on design contests? [snip] Sean; I use the analogy to shift away from specific consideration of designers and raise a larger point. Developers wouldn't do bespoke development in this fashion, nor would you get far asking for similar consideration from plumbers, lawyers or accountants. Design seems to fall into a different arena because it's something people perceive as something they can bike shed. Setting my cooking analogy aside, my beliefs boil down (sorry) to these points: - Don't ask for someone to make something for you unless you have a good idea of what you want. If you don't know, do more homework. - If you want assistance in refining your vision, ask for help, but respect the time and expertise of the person providing it. If it's a discussion over lunch/dinner, pick up the tab. If someone is substantially acting as a consultant, pay the market rate for their time. - Hire people you respect, communicate proactively and compensate the people who do work for you. I'm completely cool with auditioning someone (and paying them), but I dislike setting the expectation that an experienced professional should work for free, particularly when it's helping ?me? decide how I should operate my business. You're absolutely correct. A chili cook-off or baking contest is not unethical. However, instead of participating in an exceptional event, designers are asked to compete for business in this fashion continuously. Cheers, Nathan -- Nathan L. Walls | http://wallscorp.us/ From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Tue Feb 16 10:04:34 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:04:34 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs Message-ID: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> Is it Baja Burritos tonight? Jimmy From pelargir at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:20:02 2010 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:20:02 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs In-Reply-To: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> References: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > Is it Baja Burritos tonight? Yup, Baja Burrito at 5:30 for those who are interested: http://bit.ly/9Ry276 Matthew From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Tue Feb 16 10:21:57 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:21:57 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs In-Reply-To: References: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> Great, see everyone there. Incidentally, does anyone know if the Cup a Joe nearby is any good for working at? I was thinking of going to the Morning Times, but don't really want to deal with parking, etc. Jimmy On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Bass wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > >> Is it Baja Burritos tonight? > > > Yup, Baja Burrito at 5:30 for those who are interested: > http://bit.ly/9Ry276 > > Matthew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From nwalls at ismedia.org Tue Feb 16 10:30:06 2010 From: nwalls at ismedia.org (Nathan L. Walls) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:30:06 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs In-Reply-To: <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EBA05ED-03EA-4307-B2F7-697462B2E755@ismedia.org> The Cup-A-Joe wireless has been pretty consistent when I've hacked from there in the evenings. Cheers, Nathan -- Nathan L. Walls | http://wallscorp.us/ On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > Great, see everyone there. > > Incidentally, does anyone know if the Cup a Joe nearby is any good for > working at? I was thinking of going to the Morning Times, but don't > really want to deal with parking, etc. > > Jimmy > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Bass wrote: >> >> On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: >> >>> Is it Baja Burritos tonight? >> >> >> Yup, Baja Burrito at 5:30 for those who are interested: >> http://bit.ly/9Ry276 >> >> Matthew >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From pelargir at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:24:36 2010 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:24:36 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs In-Reply-To: <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > Incidentally, does anyone know if the Cup a Joe nearby is any good for > working at? I was thinking of going to the Morning Times, but don't > really want to deal with parking, etc. Never been there myself, but perhaps someone else can comment. For co-working, you can't beat the Wake Zone: http://bit.ly/a8cHFR A bit out of the way, but worth it. Lots of comfortable seating, power, etc. Matthew From davidbogus at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 10:37:18 2010 From: davidbogus at gmail.com (David Bogus) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:37:18 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs In-Reply-To: References: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've never had problems with the wireless working there. There aren't many power outlets as I recall. Dave On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Matthew Bass wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > >> Incidentally, does anyone know if the Cup a Joe nearby is any good for >> working at? ?I was thinking of going to the Morning Times, but don't >> really want to deal with parking, etc. > > Never been there myself, but perhaps someone else can comment. > > For co-working, you can't beat the Wake Zone: > http://bit.ly/a8cHFR > > A bit out of the way, but worth it. Lots of comfortable seating, power, etc. > > Matthew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Dave's Definitions: Morning, is after I've slept for more than four hours. Lunch is the second meal of the day no matter the hour of consumption. A long drive is one longer then you have last slept. Ineffable, if you don't understand I couldn't possibly explain it. From dan at mobileorchard.com Tue Feb 16 10:27:24 2010 From: dan at mobileorchard.com (Dan Grigsby) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:27:24 -0600 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Raleigh/Durham iPhone dev class Message-ID: <4A911102-BC19-46DA-9E0E-5E2A9BD56DEE@mobileorchard.com> Hi, It's Dan Grigsby founder of the iPhone dev community site Mobile Orchard. This is a bit off-topic, but as a fellow Rubyist I'm hoping for a smidgeon of leeway: I'll be teaching the Mobile Orchard Beginning iPhone Development For Web Programmers class in Raleigh/Durham on March 24-25. Class synopsis: Ruby programmer (or PHP, Python, Java or .NET) to iPhone programmer in two days. Intensive two day class. Leave with seven compact, but complete iPhone apps that use Core Location, Core Data, navigation UIs, shake, undo/redo, web services and hybrid web/native UIs. Memory management, properties, protocols and categories exercises. 3.0SDK. Small class size, experienced instructor. From Mobile Orchard, the #1 iPhone developer news site and podcast. Details/registration: http://mobileorchard.com/training I used to title this class "Beginning iPhone Development For Rubyists," but later broadened it. That said, I'm a Rubyist at heart -- I've got patches in Merb (pre-merge), helped start the Minneapolis Ruby group, spoke at RubyFringe, etc. I like having Rubyists in the class, so if you register with a "ruby" discount code I'll knock a couple hundred bucks off the price and it'd be $899 during early reg. Hoping my good-standing and contributions to the startup, iPhone, and Ruby communities offsets any feather-ruffling that me pitching the class to the list might elicit. Ryan Daigle and Jay Thrash can vouch for me. In addition to keeping my kids in new shoes and fruit snacks, the class generates the income that enables work on the site and podcast full-time. Thanks, Dan dan at mobileorchard.com 612 423 3694 From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Tue Feb 16 11:36:35 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:36:35 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Grubs In-Reply-To: References: <214f16691002160704s3d6e6f84oefda102174894295@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002160721u1461762ai4a8c8a4fe24b78b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <214f16691002160836p1dd2e13fh8b97801ac5faa0d8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks all. I'll go to the Wake Zone, since I actually want to get some work done and don't want to be hunting for power. :) Jimmy On Feb 16, 2010 10:38 AM, "David Bogus" wrote: I've never had problems with the wireless working there. There aren't many power outlets as I recall. Dave On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Matthew Bass wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2010, at ... -- Dave's Definitions: Morning, is after I've slept for more than four hours. Lunch is the second meal of the day no matter the hour of consumption. 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URL: From nathaniel at talbott.ws Tue Feb 16 15:45:32 2010 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:45:32 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Raleigh/Durham iPhone dev class In-Reply-To: <4A911102-BC19-46DA-9E0E-5E2A9BD56DEE@mobileorchard.com> References: <4A911102-BC19-46DA-9E0E-5E2A9BD56DEE@mobileorchard.com> Message-ID: <4ce336a21002161245v7e303c2cwd998fb6b5c9fcd13@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dan Grigsby wrote: > Hoping my good-standing and contributions to the startup, iPhone, and Ruby > communities offsets any feather-ruffling that me pitching the class to the list might > elicit. ?Ryan Daigle and Jay Thrash can vouch for me. ?In addition to keeping my > kids in new shoes and fruit snacks, the class generates the income that enables > work on the site and podcast full-time. Dan, these types of posts are *always* welcome - thanks for letting us know. It looks like a great course, and I know there are a lot of local Rubyists very interested in iPhone (and iPad) development these days. I hope it goes well! -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From belucid at acm.org Wed Feb 17 14:43:16 2010 From: belucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:43:16 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Graphic Designer In-Reply-To: <4C4D79CD-F2F7-488C-9848-EDB806E895B2@ismedia.org> References: <51ce9ce11002130930k730b287bma6a115f4a7a6d5a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B76FBD3.2030909@indythinker.com> <4C4D79CD-F2F7-488C-9848-EDB806E895B2@ismedia.org> Message-ID: Nathan, I don't want to stay OT for too long, but design falls into a different arena simply because there are talented designers willing to do spec work. That's all, nothing more. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. No designers are coerced, so nothing unethical is going on. If the supply and demand for programmers, attorneys or plumbers was the same as for designers, your bet your butt there'd be a marketplace for spec work in those arenas too. We can all wish the economics of design were different, but pulling out the ethics card just because we wish something weren't so is irresponsible. If you want the economics of design to change, I'd suggest the first place you look is at the supply side. Attorneys and plumbers are heavily regulated. Programmers are not, but a CS degree is often considered a prerequisite, and acts similarly to keep supply down (not to mention that most people seem to think programming is hard and/or boring). Right now our society places no similar restriction on designers. When was the last time you asked a designer if he was licensed? Or a member of the bar? Or what his degree was? Probably never. For good or bad, if you call yourself a designer you're a designer. So how do you qualify designers? The surrogate credential in the design world is of course the portfolio. But there is a chicken and egg problem. How can a new designer build a portfolio? It used to be they'd build a portfolio by giving away work for free to family, friends, and neighbors until they had an impressive enough portfolio to convince people to hire them outright. Now many designers build their portfolio with spec work (I personally wish more would try helping open source projects instead). With spec work they have a shot at getting paid, and they are building their experience and portfolio and gaining contacts (I've hired the winning designer of each of my contests for follow on work, in some cases I'm still working with them years later). Talented, experienced, professional designers aren't going broke spending their days chasing 99designs contests. Spec work serves a useful role in a small spectrum of the design marketplace. I'm willing to let you have the last word if you want to reply to this, but then I'll take my response offline because I'm not convinced the rest of the list is interested in this discussion since no when else replied. Thanks, Sean On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Nathan L. Walls wrote: > On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Sean Johnson wrote: > >> Nathan, Thomas, >> >> Respectfully Nathan, your chef analogy would only seem damning if the chefs were forced to cook for you. In a crowd sourced design contest, each designer is choosing to participate because they want to. Ever been to a chili cookoff or a baking contest (or seen one on TV)? It's the exact scenario you describe, all but the best chili cook (based on the subjective opinion of the judge) goes home empty handed. No one clams these are bad or unethical. So why all the scorn on design contests? > > [snip] > > Sean; > > I use the analogy to shift away from specific consideration of designers and raise a larger point. Developers wouldn't do bespoke development in this fashion, nor would you get far asking for similar consideration from plumbers, lawyers or accountants. Design seems to fall into a different arena because it's something people perceive as something they can bike shed. > > Setting my cooking analogy aside, my beliefs boil down (sorry) to these points: > > - Don't ask for someone to make something for you unless you have a good idea of what you want. If you don't know, do more homework. > > - If you want assistance in refining your vision, ask for help, but respect the time and expertise of the person providing it. If it's a discussion over lunch/dinner, pick up the tab. If someone is substantially acting as a consultant, pay the market rate for their time. > > - Hire people you respect, communicate proactively and compensate the people who do work for you. > > I'm completely cool with auditioning someone (and paying them), but I dislike setting the expectation that an experienced professional should work for free, particularly when it's helping ?me? decide how I should operate my business. > > You're absolutely correct. A chili cook-off or baking contest is not unethical. However, instead of participating in an exceptional event, designers are asked to compete for business in this fashion continuously. > > Cheers, > > Nathan > -- > Nathan L. Walls | http://wallscorp.us/ > > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members __________ Sean Johnson belucid at acm.org From rick.denatale at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:49:34 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:49:34 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! Message-ID: I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke the java command to run selenium-server The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the terminal window. I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem to figure out what to do. And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete downloadable version available. -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:04:04 2010 From: mark.bennett.mail at gmail.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:04:04 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try java -jar "C:\Program Files\selenium-remote-control-0.9.0\server\selenium-server.jar" -interactive Mark On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. > > I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. > > I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke > the java command to run selenium-server > > The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 > > and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. > > But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the > terminal window. > > I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem > to figure out what to do. > > And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete > downloadable version available. > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It will save your sanity in the long run. --Kevin On Feb 17, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Mark Bennett wrote: > Try > > java -jar "C:\Program Files\selenium-remote-control-0.9.0\server\selenium-server.jar" -interactive > > Mark > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. > > I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. > > I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke > the java command to run selenium-server > > The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 > > and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. > > But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the > terminal window. > > I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem > to figure out what to do. > > And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete > downloadable version available. > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From bburdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:55:29 2010 From: bburdick at gmail.com (Ben Burdick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:55:29 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A2B5FB1-F7E2-40D1-85D3-D7E093D835FB@gmail.com> Modifying the path in Windows is really not as simple as it should be. I had to do this for something a few weeks ago, so am pretty certain this should work for you: Click Start and choose Control Panel In the Search box on the top right of the window type ?system path? (no quotes) Click ?Edit the system environment variables? The Advanced tab of the System Properties dialog box is shown. Click the Environment Variables button on the bottom right. In the lower box titled ?System Variables? scroll down to Path and click the Edit button. Change your path as need be. Restart your system. Windows didn?t pick up the system path environment variable change until I restarted. Ben On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. > > I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. > > I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke > the java command to run selenium-server > > The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 > > and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. > > But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the > terminal window. > > I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem > to figure out what to do. > > And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete > downloadable version available. > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.denatale at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:34:07 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:34:07 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: <5CC43446-0F14-4C3E-AEBA-B7D3C19FF1CB@hypotheticalabs.com> References: <5CC43446-0F14-4C3E-AEBA-B7D3C19FF1CB@hypotheticalabs.com> Message-ID: Yes, I reinstalled manually to a directory in my home directory. Now, I can run the selenium server, it's running on port 4444 inside windows, but I haven't been able to figure out how to connect to it from the mac outside the VM. I assume that I need to open a port on the windows firewall, but can't for the life of me figure out how to do that, the control panel only seems to want to enable things on a per program basis, not by port. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Kevin A. Smith wrote: > As an old Java hand I'd strongly recommend installing the JDK into a path without spaces. It will save your sanity in the long run. > > --Kevin > On Feb 17, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Mark Bennett wrote: > >> Try >> >> java -jar "C:\Program Files\selenium-remote-control-0.9.0\server\selenium-server.jar" -interactive >> >> Mark >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: >> I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. >> >> I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. >> >> I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke >> the java command to run selenium-server >> >> The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: >> >> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 >> >> and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. >> >> But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the >> terminal window. >> >> I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem >> to figure out what to do. >> >> And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete >> downloadable version available. >> >> -- >> Rick DeNatale >> >> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale >> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From steve at iannopollo.com Wed Feb 17 16:39:09 2010 From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:39:09 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: <5A2B5FB1-F7E2-40D1-85D3-D7E093D835FB@gmail.com> References: <5A2B5FB1-F7E2-40D1-85D3-D7E093D835FB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Things like this make me wonder when businesses are going to find it too expensive to develop for IE... -Steve On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Ben Burdick wrote: > Modifying the path in Windows is really not as simple as it should be. I had to do this for something a few weeks ago, so am pretty certain this should work for you: > > Click Start and choose Control Panel > In the Search box on the top right of the window type ?system path? (no quotes) > Click ?Edit the system environment variables? > The Advanced tab of the System Properties dialog box is shown. Click the Environment Variables button on the bottom right. > In the lower box titled ?System Variables? scroll down to Path and click the Edit button. > Change your path as need be. > Restart your system. Windows didn?t pick up the system path environment variable change until I restarted. > > Ben > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > >> I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. >> >> I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. >> >> I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke >> the java command to run selenium-server >> >> The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: >> >> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 >> >> and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. >> >> But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the >> terminal window. >> >> I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem >> to figure out what to do. >> >> And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete >> downloadable version available. >> >> -- >> Rick DeNatale >> >> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale >> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members - Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.horvick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 18:04:16 2010 From: robert.horvick at gmail.com (Robert Horvick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:04:16 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: References: <5CC43446-0F14-4C3E-AEBA-B7D3C19FF1CB@hypotheticalabs.com> Message-ID: You can do per-port firewall exceptions as well but since this is something you might want to do multiple times using the command line may be preferable. netsh can be used to configure the firewall as described with examples here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947709 Robert. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > Yes, I reinstalled manually to a directory in my home directory. > > Now, I can run the selenium server, it's running on port 4444 inside > windows, but I haven't been able to figure out how to connect to it > from the mac outside the VM. > > I assume that I need to open a port on the windows firewall, but can't > for the life of me figure out how to do that, the control panel only > seems to want to enable things on a per program basis, not by port. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Kevin A. Smith > wrote: > > As an old Java hand I'd strongly recommend installing the JDK into a path > without spaces. It will save your sanity in the long run. > > > > --Kevin > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Mark Bennett wrote: > > > >> Try > >> > >> java -jar "C:\Program > Files\selenium-remote-control-0.9.0\server\selenium-server.jar" -interactive > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale > wrote: > >> I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. > >> > >> I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. > >> > >> I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke > >> the java command to run selenium-server > >> > >> The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: > >> > >> C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 > >> > >> and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. > >> > >> But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the > >> terminal window. > >> > >> I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem > >> to figure out what to do. > >> > >> And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete > >> downloadable version available. > >> > >> -- > >> Rick DeNatale > >> > >> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > >> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > >> _______________________________________________ > >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bhansley at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 20:56:20 2010 From: bhansley at gmail.com (Bill Hansley) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:56:20 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> I ended up going the Sauce RC route. It runs Selenium server as a Win tray icon, and worked much better with Win7 for me than other methods. It can be had at: http://saucelabs.com/products/downloads Good luck, -Bill On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > I'm trying to set up selenium testing using IE. > > I've got Windows 7 running under virtualbox. > > I've installed the jdk, but I can't seem to figure out how to invoke > the java command to run selenium-server > > The windows Explorer seems to indicate that the jdk is installed in: > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jdk1.6.0.18 > > and that there's a java executable in the bin directory. > > But I can't seem to find any kind of Program Files directory in the > terminal window. > > I think I need to set the PATH environment variable, but I can't seem > to figure out what to do. > > And I just checked msdn and WIndows 7 appears to be the only complete > downloadable version available. > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.denatale at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 11:41:04 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:41:04 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> References: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just turned off the WIndows firewall entirely for the local network. Another problem was that I needed the new selenium-server for Selenium 2, since this is being driven by the selenium-webdriver gem from capybara and cucumber. I'm now trying to drive IE8 in Windows 7 running in a VirtualBox VM. I'm to the point where it's bringing IE up, but it can't connect to the test server. I thought it might be a firewall problem, so I turned off the firewall in windows, but still not joy. I can get to my dev server on port 3000 running on the Mac from IE in the VM, so I reconfigured capybara to use port 3000, and it's still not working. I can see IE come up and display an error page, saying the page can't be accessed, but it get's taken down by selenium. Here's the output from selenium-driver, the Mac running cucumber/capybara/webdriver is at 192.168.0.102, and the VM is at 192.168.0.103 C:\Users\Rick>java -jar selenium-server-standalone-2.0a2.jar 11:45:17.536 INFO - Java: Sun Microsystems Inc. 16.0-b13 11:45:17.536 INFO - OS: Windows 7 6.1 amd64 11:45:17.555 INFO - v2.0 [a2], with Core v2.0 [a2] 11:45:17.839 INFO - RemoteWebDriver instances should connect to: http://127.0.0.1:4444/wd/hub 11:45:17.839 INFO - Version Jetty/5.1.x 11:45:17.839 INFO - Started HttpContext[/selenium-server/driver,/selenium-server/driver] 11:45:17.839 INFO - Started HttpContext[/selenium-server,/selenium-server] 11:45:17.839 INFO - Started HttpContext[/,/] 11:45:17.933 INFO - Started org.openqa.jetty.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler at 6db3f829 11:45:17.933 INFO - Started HttpContext[/wd,/wd] 11:45:17.933 INFO - Started SocketListener on 0.0.0.0:4444 11:45:17.933 INFO - Started org.openqa.jetty.jetty.Server at 70329f3d 11:45:50.660 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [new session: Capabilities [browserName=internet explorer,javascriptEnabled=false, platform=WINDOWS, version=]] at URL: /session) 11:45:52.305 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session 11:45:52.305 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [describe session] at URL: /session/1266511552286/context) 11:45:52.305 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session/1266511552286/context 11:45:52.456 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [get: http://192.168.0.168.102:3000/] at URL:/session/1266511552286/context/url) 11:45:53.553 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session/1266511552286/context/url 11:45:53.591 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [get page source] at URL: /session/1266511552286/context/source) W11:45:53:893 .\IEThread.cpp(372) -2147024891 [Access is denied.]: Cannot get document 11:45:53.893 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session/1266511552286/context/source 11:45:53.912 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [get page source] at URL: /session/1266511552286/context/source) W11:45:54:101 .\IEThread.cpp(372) -2147024891 [Access is denied.]: Cannot get document 11:45:54.101 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session/1266511552286/context/source 11:45:54.385 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [find elements: By.xpath: /descendant-or-self::*[contains(.,'Login')] at URL:/session/1266511552286/context/elements) W11:45:54:555 .\IEThread.cpp(372) -2147024891 [Access is denied.]: Cannot get document W11:45:54:574 .\IEThread.cpp(679) Unable to get document reference 11:45:55.727 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Exception: Unable to find element by xpath: /descendant-or-self::*[contains(.,'Login')] System info: os.name: 'Windows 7', os.arch: 'amd64', os.version: '6.1', java.version: '1.6.0_18' Driver info: driver.version: ie 11:45:56.200 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [delete all cookies] at URL: /session/1266511552286/context/cookie) W11:45:56:445 .\IEThread.cpp(372) -2147024891 [Access is denied.]: Cannot get document W11:45:56:634 .\IEThread.cpp(372) -2147024891 [Access is denied.]: Cannot get document 11:45:56.634 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session/1266511552286/context/cookie 11:45:56.786 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Executing: [delete session: 1266511552286] at URL: /session/1266511552286) 11:46:01.342 INFO - WebDriver remote server: Done: /session/1266511552286 -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From rick.denatale at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 11:56:01 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:56:01 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: References: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: More data. I inserted a delay in the cucumber scenario right after the first access step, to keep IE up for a few minutes so I could snoop around. The page displayed is a generic can't connect page with a button offering to diagnose connection problems. It tells me that there's a problem with DNS. but it's trying to get to http://192.168.0.102:9888/ I brought up another IE window and manually typed in that url, and I get the login page for my app, which is what I'd expect, so IE CAN talk to the server which capybara set up. So there seem to be something wrong between selenium-driver and IE 8. -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From steve at iannopollo.com Thu Feb 18 12:05:14 2010 From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:05:14 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: References: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95C87353-5F83-4EA2-8C80-10DC4A132DA7@iannopollo.com> Can you put in a sleep before IE attempts to open up the page? I remember vaguely having problems like this with selenium a few years ago, and it was because the server hadn't fully started before the browser tried to open the page (no VMs involved). Hope this helps! -Steve On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > More data. > > I inserted a delay in the cucumber scenario right after the first > access step, to keep IE up for a few minutes so I could snoop around. > > The page displayed is a generic can't connect page with a button > offering to diagnose connection problems. It tells me that there's a > problem with DNS. but it's trying to get to http://192.168.0.102:9888/ > > I brought up another IE window and manually typed in that url, and I > get the login page for my app, which is what I'd expect, so IE CAN > talk to the server which capybara set up. > > So there seem to be something wrong between selenium-driver and IE 8. > > > -- > Rick DeNatale > > Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale > WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members - Sent from my iPad From rick.denatale at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 17:22:50 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:22:50 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: <95C87353-5F83-4EA2-8C80-10DC4A132DA7@iannopollo.com> References: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> <95C87353-5F83-4EA2-8C80-10DC4A132DA7@iannopollo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestion. I tried inserting a wait after starting the server for .5 sec, then 1 sec, then 10 secs and still no joy. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Steve Iannopollo wrote: > Can you put in a sleep before IE attempts to open up the page? I remember vaguely having problems like this with selenium a few years ago, and it was because the server hadn't fully started before the browser tried to open the page (no VMs involved). Hope this helps! > > -Steve > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote: > >> More data. >> >> I inserted a delay in the cucumber scenario right after the first >> access step, to keep IE up for a few minutes so I could snoop around. >> >> The page displayed is a generic can't connect page with a button >> offering to diagnose connection problems. ?It tells me that there's a >> problem with DNS. but it's trying to get to http://192.168.0.102:9888/ >> >> I brought up another IE window and manually typed in that url, and I >> get the login page for my app, which is what I'd expect, so IE CAN >> talk to the server which capybara set up. >> >> So there seem to be something wrong between selenium-driver and IE 8. >> >> >> -- >> Rick DeNatale >> >> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale >> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > - Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From rick.denatale at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 18:17:58 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:17:58 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Help! Windoze 7 is killing me! In-Reply-To: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> References: <51b534311002171756x7163d9e1vc2b1d48ac8d4ff17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Bill Hansley wrote: > I ended up going the Sauce RC route. It runs Selenium server as a Win tray > icon, and worked much better with Win7 for me than other methods. It can be > had at:?http://saucelabs.com/products/downloads > Good luck, > -Bill Thanks for the suggestion. I just looked at sauce_rc and it looks like it only supports selenium rc 1. Capybara is using webdriver and needs selenium 2. -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From martin.streicher at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 09:54:31 2010 From: martin.streicher at gmail.com (Martin Streicher) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:54:31 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard Message-ID: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> I am using ActiveMerchant and Authorize.net to approve credit card purchases. Well, I will clarify: I can accept Visa cards and can reject Visa transactions when the CVV or address is inaccurate. However, I cannot get MC, Discover, or Amex to approve, no matter what. I am really clueless here (in general, too, but in more of a bind now). Is there anything special I or the merchant has to do to accept the other cards -- the merchant's Authorize.net account shows those cards as enabled. Martin From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Mon Feb 22 09:58:15 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:58:15 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Startup opportunity Message-ID: <214f16691002220658x340e412cgbe353171db5a3e10@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, I'm looking for someone who's good at Rails and is interested in joining an early-stage startup. Initially, before funding, it would be at least 10 hours a week or so, or as much as you're willing to commit. After funding, it would be some kind of reasonable salary and options/equity/some kind of business stake (this isn't my bailiwick). It's both buzzword-heavy (social, mobile, etc), *and* I like the idea (which is saying something). Since it's early stage, you'd have the opportunity to really influence direction. If you want to find out more, please ping me at this email address, or give me a call at 919-627-7546. I can tell you some about the idea, schedule, etc. Some of you know that I've been involved in a gaming related startup. This isn't that, and if you want the gory details, please contact me. :) Jimmy -- +1-919-627-7546 From dan at mobileorchard.com Wed Feb 24 00:03:31 2010 From: dan at mobileorchard.com (Dan Grigsby) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:03:31 -0600 Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] Raleigh/Durham iPhone dev class In-Reply-To: <4A911102-BC19-46DA-9E0E-5E2A9BD56DEE@mobileorchard.com> References: <4A911102-BC19-46DA-9E0E-5E2A9BD56DEE@mobileorchard.com> Message-ID: <1AB5C95C-A118-498E-816A-7B24DA0F101B@mobileorchard.com> FYI if you're thinking of attending my iPhone class: early registration ends this week. On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Dan Grigsby wrote: > Hi, > > It's Dan Grigsby founder of the iPhone dev community site Mobile Orchard. This is a bit off-topic, but as a fellow Rubyist I'm hoping for a smidgeon of leeway: > > I'll be teaching the Mobile Orchard Beginning iPhone Development For Web Programmers class in Raleigh/Durham on March 24-25. Class synopsis: Ruby programmer (or PHP, Python, Java or .NET) to iPhone programmer in two days. > > Intensive two day class. Leave with seven compact, but complete iPhone apps that use Core Location, Core Data, navigation UIs, shake, undo/redo, web services and hybrid web/native UIs. Memory management, properties, protocols and categories exercises. 3.0SDK. Small class size, experienced instructor. From Mobile Orchard, the #1 iPhone developer news site and podcast. > > Details/registration: > http://mobileorchard.com/training > > I used to title this class "Beginning iPhone Development For Rubyists," but later broadened it. That said, I'm a Rubyist at heart -- I've got patches in Merb (pre-merge), helped start the Minneapolis Ruby group, spoke at RubyFringe, etc. I like having Rubyists in the class, so if you register with a "ruby" discount code I'll knock a couple hundred bucks off the price and it'd be $899 during early reg. > > Hoping my good-standing and contributions to the startup, iPhone, and Ruby communities offsets any feather-ruffling that me pitching the class to the list might elicit. Ryan Daigle and Jay Thrash can vouch for me. In addition to keeping my kids in new shoes and fruit snacks, the class generates the income that enables work on the site and podcast full-time. > > Thanks, > > Dan > dan at mobileorchard.com > 612 423 3694 From ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com Wed Feb 24 10:39:34 2010 From: ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com (Ken Auer) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:39:34 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Martin, Not sure if you received an answer or not. I've found that putting Authorize.net into Test Mode does not always work as one would expect. One thing we have done is to do a real transaction with one of our own credit cards, and then void it right away (through Authorize.net's web interface) after it has come through. Don't know if that helps or not. Ken On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Martin Streicher < martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am using ActiveMerchant and Authorize.net to approve credit card > purchases. Well, I will clarify: I can accept Visa cards and can reject Visa > transactions when the CVV or address is inaccurate. However, I cannot get > MC, Discover, or Amex to approve, no matter what. I am really clueless here > (in general, too, but in more of a bind now). Is there anything special I or > the merchant has to do to accept the other cards -- the merchant's > Authorize.net account shows those cards as enabled. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Ken Auer The Extreme Programming Software Studio? RoleModel Software 919-557-6352 (v) 6720 RoleModel Way 919-342-5016 (f) Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-622-8315 (m) A Member of the RoleModel Community of Businesses ( http://rolemodelcommunity.com) "Christianity is not a plug-in, it's an operating system" (see Mark 12:28-31) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.streicher at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 10:57:22 2010 From: martin.streicher at gmail.com (Martin Streicher) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:57:22 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> Message-ID: <66632EE5-1C4D-47FB-A3CE-71EC5B8B3A1B@gmail.com> The solution is simple, although not intuitive: Do NOT send the credit card type to Authorize.net. You can use the credit card locally in your application to validate the user input, but when you want authorization, do not set the cc_type field. A.N wants to detect the card type automatically. Once I deleted the cc_type from the options hash, MC and Discover worked fine. Yes, I agree, the best way to test is to switch to live mode and then void transactions that pass muster. Test mode is OK to make sure you are talking to the service, but you really need live mode to get back the real response codes. Martin On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Ken Auer wrote: > Hi Martin, > > Not sure if you received an answer or not. I've found that putting Authorize.net into Test Mode does not always work as one would expect. One thing we have done is to do a real transaction with one of our own credit cards, and then void it right away (through Authorize.net's web interface) after it has come through. > > Don't know if that helps or not. > > Ken > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Martin Streicher wrote: > > I am using ActiveMerchant and Authorize.net to approve credit card purchases. Well, I will clarify: I can accept Visa cards and can reject Visa transactions when the CVV or address is inaccurate. However, I cannot get MC, Discover, or Amex to approve, no matter what. I am really clueless here (in general, too, but in more of a bind now). Is there anything special I or the merchant has to do to accept the other cards -- the merchant's Authorize.net account shows those cards as enabled. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > -- > Ken Auer > The Extreme Programming Software Studio? > RoleModel Software 919-557-6352 (v) > 6720 RoleModel Way 919-342-5016 (f) > Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-622-8315 (m) > > A Member of the RoleModel Community of Businesses (http://rolemodelcommunity.com) > > "Christianity is not a plug-in, it's an operating system" (see Mark 12:28-31) > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at lojic.com Wed Feb 24 11:15:20 2010 From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:15:20 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B855098.8050705@lojic.com> Slightly off topic, but related - I *highly* recommend Trust Commerce for credit card processing. They have an excellent API that works with a number of open source languages quite well. Their test/demo system is great and allows thorough testing before going "live". Using real credit cards for test transactions is heavily frowned upon by the powers that be. They also have a "credit card vault" feature that allows you to store credit card info in their secure system and avoid the increasing liability of storing that on your own system. This is very useful for recurring billing or future one-time transactions that don't require re-entry of cc info, you simply refer to the cc info using a handle. Brian Ken Auer wrote, On 2/24/10 10:39 AM: > Hi Martin, > > Not sure if you received an answer or not. I've found that putting > Authorize.net into Test Mode does not always work as one would expect. One > thing we have done is to do a real transaction with one of our own credit > cards, and then void it right away (through Authorize.net's web interface) > after it has come through. > > Don't know if that helps or not. > > Ken > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Martin Streicher < > martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I am using ActiveMerchant and Authorize.net to approve credit card >> purchases. Well, I will clarify: I can accept Visa cards and can reject Visa >> transactions when the CVV or address is inaccurate. However, I cannot get >> MC, Discover, or Amex to approve, no matter what. I am really clueless here >> (in general, too, but in more of a bind now). Is there anything special I or >> the merchant has to do to accept the other cards -- the merchant's >> Authorize.net account shows those cards as enabled. >> >> Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -- Brian Adkins Lojic Technologies, LLC http://lojic.com/ From nospam at tonyspencer.com Wed Feb 24 11:30:28 2010 From: nospam at tonyspencer.com (Tony Spencer) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:30:28 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: <4B855098.8050705@lojic.com> References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> <4B855098.8050705@lojic.com> Message-ID: <37449E8B-5E8D-4885-B5E9-331CBA962B22@tonyspencer.com> I've also been very happy with TrustCommerce. It can be a real pain to get an account setup but once you have it they are top notch. They are the only provider that makes it easy to do subscription based billing IMO On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Brian Adkins wrote: > Slightly off topic, but related - I *highly* recommend Trust Commerce for credit card processing. They have an excellent API that works with a number of open source languages quite well. Their test/demo system is great and allows thorough testing before going "live". > > Using real credit cards for test transactions is heavily frowned upon by the powers that be. > > They also have a "credit card vault" feature that allows you to store credit card info in their secure system and avoid the increasing liability of storing that on your own system. This is very useful for recurring billing or future one-time transactions that don't require re-entry of cc info, you simply refer to the cc info using a handle. > > Brian > > Ken Auer wrote, On 2/24/10 10:39 AM: >> Hi Martin, >> Not sure if you received an answer or not. I've found that putting >> Authorize.net into Test Mode does not always work as one would expect. One >> thing we have done is to do a real transaction with one of our own credit >> cards, and then void it right away (through Authorize.net's web interface) >> after it has come through. >> Don't know if that helps or not. >> Ken >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Martin Streicher < >> martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am using ActiveMerchant and Authorize.net to approve credit card >>> purchases. Well, I will clarify: I can accept Visa cards and can reject Visa >>> transactions when the CVV or address is inaccurate. However, I cannot get >>> MC, Discover, or Amex to approve, no matter what. I am really clueless here >>> (in general, too, but in more of a bind now). Is there anything special I or >>> the merchant has to do to accept the other cards -- the merchant's >>> Authorize.net account shows those cards as enabled. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > -- > Brian Adkins > Lojic Technologies, LLC > http://lojic.com/ > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From fatcatt316 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 15:43:32 2010 From: fatcatt316 at yahoo.com (Joe Peck) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: <37449E8B-5E8D-4885-B5E9-331CBA962B22@tonyspencer.com> References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> <4B855098.8050705@lojic.com> <37449E8B-5E8D-4885-B5E9-331CBA962B22@tonyspencer.com> Message-ID: <222598.86871.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Be careful testing with your credit card, even if you do immediately void it. I had my credit card company call me after I tested > $3,000 on my card -- I guess the voids aren't instantaneous. Joe ________________________________ From: Tony Spencer To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 11:30:28 AM Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard I've also been very happy with TrustCommerce. It can be a real pain to get an account setup but once you have it they are top notch. They are the only provider that makes it easy to do subscription based billing IMO On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Brian Adkins wrote: > Slightly off topic, but related - I *highly* recommend Trust Commerce for credit card processing. They have an excellent API that works with a number of open source languages quite well. Their test/demo system is great and allows thorough testing before going "live". > > Using real credit cards for test transactions is heavily frowned upon by the powers that be. > > They also have a "credit card vault" feature that allows you to store credit card info in their secure system and avoid the increasing liability of storing that on your own system. This is very useful for recurring billing or future one-time transactions that don't require re-entry of cc info, you simply refer to the cc info using a handle. > > Brian > > Ken Auer wrote, On 2/24/10 10:39 AM: >> Hi Martin, >> Not sure if you received an answer or not. I've found that putting >> Authorize.net into Test Mode does not always work as one would expect. One >> thing we have done is to do a real transaction with one of our own credit >> cards, and then void it right away (through Authorize.net's web interface) >> after it has come through. >> Don't know if that helps or not. >> Ken >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Martin Streicher < >> martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am using ActiveMerchant and Authorize.net to approve credit card >>> purchases. Well, I will clarify: I can accept Visa cards and can reject Visa >>> transactions when the CVV or address is inaccurate. However, I cannot get >>> MC, Discover, or Amex to approve, no matter what. I am really clueless here >>> (in general, too, but in more of a bind now). Is there anything special I or >>> the merchant has to do to accept the other cards -- the merchant's >>> Authorize.net account shows those cards as enabled. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > -- > Brian Adkins > Lojic Technologies, LLC > http://lojic.com/ > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > _______________________________________________ raleigh-rb-members mailing list raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are the only provider that makes it easy to do subscription based billing IMO From korebantic at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 16:10:28 2010 From: korebantic at gmail.com (korebantic) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:10:28 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: <1ADBC885-0229-48BE-AEDF-B8327FB92C68@gmail.com> References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> <4B855098.8050705@lojic.com> <37449E8B-5E8D-4885-B5E9-331CBA962B22@tonyspencer.com> <1ADBC885-0229-48BE-AEDF-B8327FB92C68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16e20a2b1002241310v4235cd92sd5ac2637e4b541bc@mail.gmail.com> If you give me your CC number, expiration code, and CCV I will test it for you ;-D On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Martin Streicher < martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the recommendations. > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Tony Spencer wrote: > > > I've also been very happy with TrustCommerce. It can be a real pain to > get an account setup but once you have it they are top notch. They are the > only provider that makes it easy to do subscription based billing IMO > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It can be a real pain to get an account setup but once you have it they are top notch. They are the only provider that makes it easy to do subscription based billing IMO > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidbogus at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:11:22 2010 From: davidbogus at gmail.com (David Bogus) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:11:22 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] ActiveMerchant and MasterCard In-Reply-To: References: <9829F528-C201-4D4B-9E91-4902BB60D551@gmail.com> <4B855098.8050705@lojic.com> <37449E8B-5E8D-4885-B5E9-331CBA962B22@tonyspencer.com> <1ADBC885-0229-48BE-AEDF-B8327FB92C68@gmail.com> <16e20a2b1002241310v4235cd92sd5ac2637e4b541bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you are going to test with a real card you may want to consider using a Gift Credit card as any fraud detection you might trigger with repeated purchases and voids can't be linked to your personal credit history. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Martin Streicher wrote: > > My kids can test it just fine. :-) > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:10 PM, korebantic wrote: > > If you give me your CC number, expiration code, and CCV I will test it for > you ;-D > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Martin Streicher > wrote: >> >> Thanks for the recommendations. >> >> On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Tony Spencer wrote: >> >> > I've also been very happy with TrustCommerce. It can be a real pain to >> > get an account setup but once you have it they are top notch. They are the >> > only provider that makes it easy to do subscription based billing IMO >> >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Dave's Definitions: Morning, is after I've slept for more than four hours. Lunch is the second meal of the day no matter the hour of consumption. A long drive is one longer then you have last slept. Ineffable, if you don't understand I couldn't possibly explain it. From michael at webadvocate.com Thu Feb 25 16:02:57 2010 From: michael at webadvocate.com (Michael Klett) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:02:57 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh co-working or temp office? Message-ID: Hi all, Some remote members of my team will be joining me in Raleigh next week and we're looking for a good place to work. There will be 4 of us in all. I'm aware of Carrboro Creative Coworking, but I'd actually rather be in or close to downtown Raleigh. Any suggestions? Thanks! Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.streicher at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:59:54 2010 From: martin.streicher at gmail.com (Martin Streicher) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:59:54 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development Message-ID: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> I need some recommendations for iPhone developers. Thanks. Martin From johnwlong2000 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:26:50 2010 From: johnwlong2000 at gmail.com (John Long) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:26:50 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development In-Reply-To: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> References: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32d834771002251426y4ecdfe61je252017e05830e96@mail.gmail.com> Both Terralien (Nathaniel Talbott) and Digital Toniq (Ryan Daigle) do iPhone development. You might contact one of them: http://terralien.com http://digitaltoniq.com -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com http://recursivecreative.com On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Martin Streicher wrote: > > I need some recommendations for iPhone developers. Thanks. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > From pelargir at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 18:24:59 2010 From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:24:59 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh co-working or temp office? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF10DB5-75DA-448C-8892-93F89389A4EC@gmail.com> On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Michael Klett wrote: > Hi all, > Some remote members of my team will be joining me in Raleigh next week and we're looking for a good place to work. There will be 4 of us in all. > > I'm aware of Carrboro Creative Coworking, but I'd actually rather be in or close to downtown Raleigh. > > Any suggestions? Morning Times has plenty of room and is downtown... http://www.morningtimes-raleigh.com The Wake Zone also has plenty of room and is my nomading location of choice, but is closer to downtown Apex... http://thewakezone.com Let us know when you settle on time and location. I'm sure there are others who would be up for joining y'all. Matthew From Derrick.Henderson at Hudson.com Thu Feb 25 21:28:19 2010 From: Derrick.Henderson at Hudson.com (Henderson, Derrick A) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:28:19 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !! Message-ID: CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITY: A local business partner specializing in the clinical research industry is seeking a talented Software Engineer to join their Technology team. The company has a worldwide presence in the field of clinical research and has specific expertise in oncology, among other therapeutic areas. Our client has managed over 90 contract research projects conducted at almost 3,000 sites with 100,000 patients. Its team of therapeutic experts brings extensive investigator site selection, patient recruitment, clinical operations, data management, EDC software, biostatistics, and regulatory knowledge and insight into successful clinical development through proactive clinical trial management. 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The selected professional will also develop and enhance our client's clinical study products. The Clinical Software Engineer will participate in the software development lifecycle by developing solutions and working with senior team members in the development of custom web-based applications. The professional will also assist in developing data management applications and clinical research information management. PROCESS: Please reply as soon as possible if you are interested in this opportunity, so you can debrief with a senior Recruiting Professional who is a technology expert and can provide further insight and details to the role. 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URL: From ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com Fri Feb 26 08:03:02 2010 From: ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com (Ken Auer) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:03:02 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development In-Reply-To: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> References: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> Message-ID: RoleModel Software does iPhone development, too, native or web-based. http://rolemodelsoftware.com On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Martin Streicher < martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: > > I need some recommendations for iPhone developers. Thanks. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Ken Auer The Extreme Programming Software Studio? RoleModel Software 919-557-6352 (v) 6720 RoleModel Way 919-342-5016 (f) Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-622-8315 (m) A Member of the RoleModel Community of Businesses ( http://rolemodelcommunity.com) "Christianity is not a plug-in, it's an operating system" (see Mark 12:28-31) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From korebantic at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:30:23 2010 From: korebantic at gmail.com (korebantic) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:30:23 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development In-Reply-To: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> References: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16e20a2b1002260630g59c65e80oa62f0694c264c6f@mail.gmail.com> Is there a local active iPhone development community? Any meetups in the area? I've been working on it for a couple of months and it would be great to connect with other developers. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Martin Streicher < martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: > > I need some recommendations for iPhone developers. Thanks. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com Fri Feb 26 09:33:02 2010 From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:33:02 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development In-Reply-To: <16e20a2b1002260630g59c65e80oa62f0694c264c6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> <16e20a2b1002260630g59c65e80oa62f0694c264c6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8BE0D6F6-9DEC-4C30-99EB-D5108389A35D@hypotheticalabs.com> I thought there was a meetup @ CCC --Kevin On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:30 AM, korebantic wrote: > Is there a local active iPhone development community? Any meetups in the area? I've been working on it for a couple of months and it would be great to connect with other developers. > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Martin Streicher wrote: > > I need some recommendations for iPhone developers. Thanks. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members From fmedlin at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:36:04 2010 From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:36:04 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development In-Reply-To: <16e20a2b1002260630g59c65e80oa62f0694c264c6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> <16e20a2b1002260630g59c65e80oa62f0694c264c6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579ca95c1002260636m13594f12paa8923c28404da7f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, korebantic wrote: > Is there a local active iPhone development community? Any meetups in the > area? I've been working on it for a couple of months and it would be great > to connect with other developers. > There is, but it hasn't met lately: http://www.meetup.com/iPhone-Developers/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nathaniel at talbott.ws Fri Feb 26 10:28:46 2010 From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:28:46 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] Message-ID: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A wrote: > CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems to indicate spam-style sending. Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too picky and should just let them all through? -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From rick.denatale at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 10:48:01 2010 From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:48:01 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd say let them though. I think we're all big boys and girls who should be able to weed them out ourselves. And maybe someone wants a soul-sucking job involving java/php... But that's just one mans opinion. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A > wrote: > >> CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER > > What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related > job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that > just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case > there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems > to indicate spam-style sending. > > Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep > postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too > picky and should just let them all through? > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > <:((>< > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- Rick DeNatale Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/RickDeNatale WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale From steve at iannopollo.com Fri Feb 26 10:57:30 2010 From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:57:30 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would vote with only allowing originators to post things, as this is one of the only mailing lists I'm on that has a very low signal-to-noise ratio. Anyway, it'll make those recruiters do a little more leg work, which I'm all for :-) -Steve On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A > wrote: > >> CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER > > What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related > job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that > just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case > there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems > to indicate spam-style sending. > > Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep > postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too > picky and should just let them all through? > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > <:((>< > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members - Sent from my iPad From javery at infozerk.com Fri Feb 26 10:54:26 2010 From: javery at infozerk.com (James Avery) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:54:26 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20af90581002260754laba1870i556083d935e57bae@mail.gmail.com> Relevant ruby focused postings seem valuable, but I agree this one was pretty bad. Perhaps we need a no job template posting rule, if you want to send a job listing to the mailing list then write a couple thoughtful paragraphs about what you are looking and what your company is like instead of these hideously vague keyword filled monstrosities. :) I still think its absurd that companies think they can find good employees using postings like this, when you look at good candidates they are interviewing the employer as much as the employer is interviewing them.. and stuff like this is a red flag. -James On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Nathaniel Talbott wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A > wrote: > > > CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER > > What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related > job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that > just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case > there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems > to indicate spam-style sending. > > Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep > postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too > picky and should just let them all through? > > > -- > Nathaniel Talbott > <:((>< > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- James Avery Zerk Media - http://zerkmedia.com Infozerk Inc. - http://www.infozerk.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com Fri Feb 26 11:04:13 2010 From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:04:13 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <20af90581002260754laba1870i556083d935e57bae@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> <20af90581002260754laba1870i556083d935e57bae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <214f16691002260804t59bc0f67jec8b8d343284425f@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, What about startup posts that have to do with Rails, like the one I posted? I think it's interesting, but of course everyone thinks their job is the one that should have an exception. I'm happy to avoid posting them in the future, based on everyone's feedback. Jimmy On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Avery wrote: > Relevant ruby focused postings seem valuable, but I agree this one was > pretty bad. Perhaps we need?a no job template posting rule, if you want to > send a job listing to the mailing list then write a couple thoughtful > paragraphs about what you are looking and what your company is like instead > of these hideously vague keyword filled monstrosities. :) > I still think its absurd that companies think they can find good employees > using postings like this, when you look at good candidates they are > interviewing the employer as much as the employer is interviewing them.. and > stuff like this is a red flag. > -James > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Nathaniel Talbott > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A >> wrote: >> >> > CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER >> >> What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related >> job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that >> just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case >> there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems >> to indicate spam-style sending. >> >> Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep >> postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too >> picky and should just let them all through? >> >> >> -- >> Nathaniel Talbott >> <:((>< >> _______________________________________________ >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > -- > James Avery > Zerk Media - http://zerkmedia.com > Infozerk Inc. - http://www.infozerk.com > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- +1-919-627-7546 From javery at infozerk.com Fri Feb 26 11:12:54 2010 From: javery at infozerk.com (James Avery) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:12:54 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <214f16691002260804t59bc0f67jec8b8d343284425f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> <20af90581002260754laba1870i556083d935e57bae@mail.gmail.com> <214f16691002260804t59bc0f67jec8b8d343284425f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20af90581002260812k6d6ab294na88e884081b22f82@mail.gmail.com> I think those posts are awesome and the type of thing I wouldn't want to see stop being sent to the list, it's the formulaic recruiter stuff that is spammy. -James On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jimmy Thrasher wrote: > Hey guys, > > What about startup posts that have to do with Rails, like the one I > posted? I think it's interesting, but of course everyone thinks their > job is the one that should have an exception. > > I'm happy to avoid posting them in the future, based on everyone's > feedback. > > Jimmy > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Avery wrote: > > Relevant ruby focused postings seem valuable, but I agree this one was > > pretty bad. Perhaps we need a no job template posting rule, if you want > to > > send a job listing to the mailing list then write a couple thoughtful > > paragraphs about what you are looking and what your company is like > instead > > of these hideously vague keyword filled monstrosities. :) > > I still think its absurd that companies think they can find good > employees > > using postings like this, when you look at good candidates they are > > interviewing the employer as much as the employer is interviewing them.. > and > > stuff like this is a red flag. > > -James > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Nathaniel Talbott < > nathaniel at talbott.ws> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A > >> wrote: > >> > >> > CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER > >> > >> What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related > >> job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that > >> just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case > >> there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems > >> to indicate spam-style sending. > >> > >> Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep > >> postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too > >> picky and should just let them all through? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Nathaniel Talbott > >> <:((>< > >> _______________________________________________ > >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list > >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > > > -- > > James Avery > > Zerk Media - http://zerkmedia.com > > Infozerk Inc. - http://www.infozerk.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > > > > > > -- > +1-919-627-7546 > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -- James Avery Zerk Media - http://zerkmedia.com Infozerk Inc. - http://www.infozerk.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rails is Ruby, so no worries there. I'm even OK with non-Ruby job postings, so long as they'd be interesting to this crowd. I'm liking James' "no templates" idea, but keep the feedback coming. -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< From jeffm.keating at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 11:29:50 2010 From: jeffm.keating at gmail.com (jeffm.keating at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:29:50 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b87f65a.9553f10a.251c.0f2e@mx.google.com> Non templated from non professional recruiters. -- Sent from my Palm Pre Nathaniel Talbott wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Henderson, Derrick A <Derrick.Henderson at hudson.com> wrote: > CLINICAL SOFTWARE ENGINEER What are folks thoughts on these types of posts? I think Ruby-related job postings are an important part of this list, but we get some that just seem to throw in Ruby as a buzz word. Of course, in this case there's also the blatant misspelling in the subject line, which seems to indicate spam-style sending. Any ideas on how to keep job postings relevant? Should we keep postings to originators only (i.e. no recruiters)? Am I being too picky and should just let them all through? -- Nathaniel Talbott <:((>< _______________________________________________ raleigh-rb-members mailing list raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at lojic.com Fri Feb 26 11:51:46 2010 From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:51:46 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Postings [Was: Great opportunity wit a growing company in the Triangle area !!] In-Reply-To: <20af90581002260754laba1870i556083d935e57bae@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ce336a21002260728k5851692n88ee34595163c5b1@mail.gmail.com> <20af90581002260754laba1870i556083d935e57bae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B87FC22.6010609@lojic.com> James Avery wrote, On 2/26/10 10:54 AM: > Relevant ruby focused postings seem valuable, but I agree this one was > pretty bad. Perhaps we need a no job template posting rule, if you want to > send a job listing to the mailing list then write a couple thoughtful > paragraphs about what you are looking and what your company is like instead > of these hideously vague keyword filled monstrosities. :) +1 -- Brian Adkins Lojic Technologies, LLC http://lojic.com/ From blakewatters at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:11:00 2010 From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:11:00 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] iPhone development In-Reply-To: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> References: <36F56AA6-C69C-41D5-BF75-31328E639917@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41b7447c1002261111j30374c01g206f717554299f53@mail.gmail.com> My firm Two Toasters does iPhone development. We've built a number of great apps including GateGuru, which is featured in Apple's latest commercial ( http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/). http://www.twotoasters.com/ We'd love to talk about projects any time. Cheers, - Blake On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Martin Streicher < martin.streicher at gmail.com> wrote: > > I need some recommendations for iPhone developers. Thanks. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at webadvocate.com Fri Feb 26 17:26:37 2010 From: michael at webadvocate.com (Michael Klett) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:26:37 -0500 Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh co-working or temp office? In-Reply-To: <4FF10DB5-75DA-448C-8892-93F89389A4EC@gmail.com> References: <4FF10DB5-75DA-448C-8892-93F89389A4EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions. We are going with edge office. I stopped by there today and Danny was super helpful and is setting us up with some dedicated space at a good price. We'll be there Tuesday - Friday. We'll also probably swing by Morning Times at least once - I've been wanting to check it out. I'll make personal trek to The Wake Zone sometime - its closer to my house. Follow me (@moklett) if you want to keep up with where we might be. The team loves to meet other developers and entrepreneurs. Michael On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Matthew Bass wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Michael Klett wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Some remote members of my team will be joining me in Raleigh next week > and we're looking for a good place to work. There will be 4 of us in all. > > > > I'm aware of Carrboro Creative Coworking, but I'd actually rather be in > or close to downtown Raleigh. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > Morning Times has plenty of room and is downtown... > > http://www.morningtimes-raleigh.com > > The Wake Zone also has plenty of room and is my nomading location of > choice, but is closer to downtown Apex... > > http://thewakezone.com > > Let us know when you settle on time and location. I'm sure there are others > who would be up for joining y'all. > > Matthew > _______________________________________________ > raleigh-rb-members mailing list > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: