<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello again,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Judging by Piet's response (see below), it seems that I should have given a bit more info about the new mailing list. (Thank you, Piet, for the heads-up.)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Here's the background: A new Tioga user, Jilani Khaldi, sent a message to tioga-news asking for more info about getting started. An experienced user, Vincent Fourmond, replied to the question and also suggested that it would be nice to have a separate mailing list for such things. Following his suggestion I have created tioga-users as the preferred forum for this Q&A kind of message as well as for lengthy philosophical discussions pondering profound problems such as the relative merits of the use of "transparency" versus "opacity" as keywords in commands. ; - )</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The tioga-news list will continue to be the place for announcements of new releases, new documentation, and other such "semi-official" news concerning Tioga. However, you don't have to be one of the Tioga developers to post to this list For example, if you've made up some notes on how to use Tioga and would like to share them with others, tioga-news would be an appropriate place to announce their availability.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers,</DIV><DIV>Bill</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>p.s. Here's the new info from the webpage about the lists.</DIV><P style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 8px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Times; min-height: 19px; "><BR style=""></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Times; min-height: 19px; ">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR style=""></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="5"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><B>Mailing Lists</B></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Times; min-height: 23px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">There is a mailing list for information about Tioga such as new releases, new documentation, etc. Please subscribe at </SPAN></FONT><A href="http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/tioga-news"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#4C2387">tioga-news</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> before sending mail to </SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:tioga-news@rubyforge.org"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0021E7">tioga-news@rubyforge.org</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Times; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">There is also a mailing list for comments, questions, and answers concerning the use of Tioga. Please subscribe at </SPAN></FONT><A href="http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/tioga-users"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#4C2387">tioga-users</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> before sending mail to </SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:tioga-users@rubyforge.org"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0021E7">tioga-users@rubyforge.org</FONT></SPAN></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Times" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Times; min-height: 19px; ">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV><BR><DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Piet Hut <<A href="mailto:piet@ias.edu">piet@ias.edu</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">April 4, 2006 11:55:30 PM PDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:paxton@kitp.ucsb.edu">paxton@kitp.ucsb.edu</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><B>Re: [Tioga-news] tioga-users mailing list</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Bill:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Greetings from Amsterdam, where we just had another MODEST event.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Let me see whether I get this correctly:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">There is now a mailing list for comments, questions, and answers <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">about using Tioga. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Please subscribe at tioga-users before sending <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">mail to <A href="mailto:tioga-users@rubyforge.org">tioga-users@rubyforge.org</A>.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">do you mean that there are now two different Tioga email lists,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">one for news and one for users?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>What is the difference?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Should</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the "news" subscribers resubscribe to the "users" list or did you</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">copy all of us automatically?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I'm currently not a heavy tioga user,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but I'd like to keep updated about developments, so I guess I should</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">be subcribed to both then, correct?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Signed: puzzled ;>),</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Piet</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>