From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Mon May  1 06:00:25 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:00:25 +0100
Subject: [typo] Adding fixed content to feeds
In-Reply-To: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:57:52 +0100")
References: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1iroq9i9y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> How easy would it be to add fixed text to the end of each post in the  
> feed?  I don't mean in the actual post itself, but automagically  
> inserted on publish - only in the feed.

Shouldn't be too hard (but you're going to be repeating yourself a
fair bit if you do it for all possible feed types), just add some
static content to your app/views/xml/_<feed_type>_item_article.rxml
templates (I think you should be able to do that in your theme
directory but I haven't tried it).

Making it configurable would be rather more work, which I think I want
to put off until Sam Ruby's finished his sterling work on getting our
feeds to be compliant.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From leopardus.vulgaris at gmail.com  Tue May  2 08:16:04 2006
From: leopardus.vulgaris at gmail.com (Oleg Frolov)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:16:04 +0300
Subject: [typo] Google Summer of Code 2006
Message-ID: <78ef03d0605020516ta1b7b03j3b9cea42c361d6c2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

I've noticed that Google has Ruby Central as mentoring organization
this year and Ruby Central has "Contributions to Typo" suggestion. So
I would like to apply. I believe, for me, it is good opportunity to
quit enterprise, contribute to the community and promote myself as
Ruby developer. I offer my helping hands (and brain too) to the Typo
team. You may find more info on me on http://olegf.name. If you are
interested please submit your ideas for my application. I'm new to
Typo and I believe Typo developers have more suggestions on what Typo
needs. I will try to do my best. I, for one, may suggest
internationalization, rails 1.1 supported release (i  know it is in
trunk, but it's not regular release yet) and a website
http://typosphere.org (it is very important to attract more users). I
really want to help.

Peace

--
http://olegf.name
skype: oleg.f
jabber: olegf at 12jabber.com
olegf


From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May  2 08:21:53 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:21:53 +0100
Subject: [typo] Adding fixed content to feeds
In-Reply-To: <m1iroq9i9y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com>
	<m1iroq9i9y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com>


On 1 May 2006, at 11:00, Piers Cawley wrote:

> Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> How easy would it be to add fixed text to the end of each post in the
>> feed?  I don't mean in the actual post itself, but automagically
>> inserted on publish - only in the feed.
>
> Shouldn't be too hard (but you're going to be repeating yourself a
> fair bit if you do it for all possible feed types), just add some
> static content to your app/views/xml/_<feed_type>_item_article.rxml
> templates (I think you should be able to do that in your theme
> directory but I haven't tried it).

Dear me you think it would be easy, but it isn't.  I can kill the  
feed compliance by putting a made up tag in (I can live with that for  
now).  Something along the lines of <rights> after each item using

xm.rights "This is the rights to this"

Which of course shows up in the feed source, but not in the actual  
feeds when in a feedreader.

Does anybody actually have more than a clue with this and know what  
tags will be displayed in RSS2.0 and Atom?  Or have I missed the  
point and it's actually a lot easier to put it in some other form?

I really don't want to have to crawl through specs...

Cheers

Gary

From usenet-052006 at tower-net.de  Tue May  2 13:05:35 2006
From: usenet-052006 at tower-net.de (Markus Kolb)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:05:35 +0200
Subject: [typo] Outgoing trackbacks?
In-Reply-To: <200604281731.14683.ninuje@gmail.com>
References: <200604281731.14683.ninuje@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4457915F.5090004@tower-net.de>

NiLuJe wrote:
>   Hello :)
> 
>   I'm using typo trunk (r1028), and I'm having a hard time trying to get 
> outgoing trackbacks working... 
> 
>   Do they actually work in current runk, and if so, how?

No they don't. I've tried myself ;)
I've found a patch which works here with small additional coding. Have a
look at
http://ruby.tower-net.de/index.html/articles/2006/05/02/typo-patch-trackback-support

Bye
Markus


From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Tue May  2 18:05:15 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:05:15 +1000
Subject: [typo] Adding fixed content to feeds
In-Reply-To: <77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com>
References: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com>
	<m1iroq9i9y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605030805.17918.trejkaz@trypticon.org>

On Tuesday 02 May 2006 22:21, Gary Shewan wrote:
> Dear me you think it would be easy, but it isn't.  I can kill the
> feed compliance by putting a made up tag in (I can live with that for
> now).  Something along the lines of <rights> after each item using
>
> xm.rights "This is the rights to this"

Hmm... there is a Dublin Core metadata tag called exactly that.  I don't know 
what this 'xm' object does with regards to namespaces, but a <dc:rights> tag 
with the correct namespace for Dublin Core would be valid, and correct.

> Which of course shows up in the feed source, but not in the actual
> feeds when in a feedreader.

That's another issue too.  I'm betting that even with the metadata tag in 
there, feed readers don't necessarily bother rendering it.  Either that, or 
I've simply never seen anyone use the tag.

TX


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From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Tue May  2 18:15:10 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:15:10 +1000
Subject: [typo] Adding fixed content to feeds
In-Reply-To: <200605030805.17918.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
References: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com>
	<77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com>
	<200605030805.17918.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
Message-ID: <200605030815.13290.trejkaz@trypticon.org>

On Wednesday 03 May 2006 08:05, Trejkaz wrote:
> Hmm... there is a Dublin Core metadata tag called exactly that.  I don't
> know what this 'xm' object does with regards to namespaces, but a
> <dc:rights> tag with the correct namespace for Dublin Core would be valid,
> and correct.

(Whoops, oh yeah, except for some reason the Atom group eventually chose not 
to reuse Dublin Core even though almost all their element names are 
identical.  So over there it's just <rights> with the Atom namespace.)

TX

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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Wed May  3 03:09:26 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:09:26 +0100
Subject: [typo] Google Summer of Code 2006
In-Reply-To: <78ef03d0605020516ta1b7b03j3b9cea42c361d6c2@mail.gmail.com> (Oleg
	Frolov's message of "Tue, 2 May 2006 15:16:04 +0300")
References: <78ef03d0605020516ta1b7b03j3b9cea42c361d6c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1lktjwpnd.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

"Oleg Frolov" <leopardus.vulgaris at gmail.com> writes:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I've noticed that Google has Ruby Central as mentoring organization
> this year and Ruby Central has "Contributions to Typo" suggestion. So
> I would like to apply. I believe, for me, it is good opportunity to
> quit enterprise, contribute to the community and promote myself as
> Ruby developer. I offer my helping hands (and brain too) to the Typo
> team. You may find more info on me on http://olegf.name. If you are
> interested please submit your ideas for my application. I'm new to
> Typo and I believe Typo developers have more suggestions on what Typo
> needs. I will try to do my best. I, for one, may suggest
> internationalization, rails 1.1 supported release (i  know it is in
> trunk, but it's not regular release yet) and a website
> http://typosphere.org (it is very important to attract more users). I
> really want to help.

The issue for me is mentoring time. I simply don't have the time
available to be a mentor. I dunno about the other maintainers. 

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Wed May  3 03:15:41 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:15:41 +0100
Subject: [typo] Adding fixed content to feeds
In-Reply-To: <77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Tue, 2 May 2006 13:21:53 +0100")
References: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com>
	<m1iroq9i9y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1ejzbwpcy.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> On 1 May 2006, at 11:00, Piers Cawley wrote:
>
>> Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> How easy would it be to add fixed text to the end of each post in the
>>> feed?  I don't mean in the actual post itself, but automagically
>>> inserted on publish - only in the feed.
>>
>> Shouldn't be too hard (but you're going to be repeating yourself a
>> fair bit if you do it for all possible feed types), just add some
>> static content to your app/views/xml/_<feed_type>_item_article.rxml
>> templates (I think you should be able to do that in your theme
>> directory but I haven't tried it).
>
> Dear me you think it would be easy, but it isn't.  I can kill the
> feed compliance by putting a made up tag in (I can live with that
> for now).  Something along the lines of <rights> after each item
> using


Have you tried doing:

  xm.content("type" => "text/html") do
    item.full_html if this_blog.show_extended_on_rss
    p('This content gets added to the end of every article')
  end

Which seems like it should work to me.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May  3 05:37:28 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:37:28 +0100
Subject: [typo] r1036 posting problems
Message-ID: <97DA7583-1A4C-4AC0-81CF-6E0B8638DF58@gmail.com>

I'll raise a ticket for this, but may as well detail it here as well  
in case anybody else is thinking of upgrading.

I upgraded to r1036 and when I posted something this morning the post  
didn't show up.  Straight into the database (where it was stored) and  
the issues are:

body_html is not populated but set to NULL
text filter ID is not applied
Blog_Id is set to 0 and not 1

Repopulating these feeds manually solves the issue and the article  
appears.  I use Ecto but that hasn't changed.

Cheers

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May  3 05:39:58 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:39:58 +0100
Subject: [typo] Trackbacks are being stored
Message-ID: <4984925B-7196-4D3A-813E-31BDF7452C6F@gmail.com>

Forgot to mention as well, although I'm not sure if it's r1036 ...  
just see it happening in that.  I have trackbacks set to off because  
I think they are useless things only used by spammers, and yet  
somehow trackbacks (from spammers ... not surprised) are still being  
stored in the database.

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May  3 06:52:56 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:52:56 +0100
Subject: [typo] All sidebar data erased on publish (#850)
Message-ID: <9FF8C902-5C25-4275-A131-5B7D74D8737B@gmail.com>

#846 is fixed in r1039.  But when I made a change to one of my  
sidebars - static content to say what version I was running  
ironically - then hit 'publish' ALL of the sidebar data vanished into  
the ether never to be seen again.

Trunk seemed so stable ... doing pretty well on the major breakage  
lately ;)

Cheers

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May  3 06:59:56 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:59:56 +0100
Subject: [typo] Adding fixed content to feeds
In-Reply-To: <m1ejzbwpcy.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <A3414D5A-1632-46B0-BC4C-C57A9CDC39AF@gmail.com>
	<m1iroq9i9y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<77985BF5-3223-4578-BB18-5DCDBD7B7069@gmail.com>
	<m1ejzbwpcy.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <AFCA8185-CEEA-44AF-A564-A133CCA237F2@gmail.com>


On 3 May 2006, at 08:15, Piers Cawley wrote:

> Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Dear me you think it would be easy, but it isn't.  I can kill the
>> feed compliance by putting a made up tag in (I can live with that
>> for now).  Something along the lines of <rights> after each item
>> using
>
>
> Have you tried doing:
>
>   xm.content("type" => "text/html") do
>     item.full_html if this_blog.show_extended_on_rss
>     p('This content gets added to the end of every article')
>   end
>
> Which seems like it should work to me.

No I haven't.  Feedvalidator doesn't like 'text/html' so I was trying  
to avoid it.  Might be good for a quick fix, I'll give that a go when  
I get some stability.

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May  3 11:16:04 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:16:04 +0100
Subject: [typo] 'this_blog' NameError in production log (Articles and Theme
	controller)
Message-ID: <8C364FE9-9AD0-4332-951A-1DB625BBDDD8@gmail.com>

I don't really know what this means ... but it can't be good and it  
gets thrown out quite a few times my the production log.

NameError (undefined local variable or method `this_blog' for  
#<ArticlesController:0x4086b5dc>):
     /app/controllers/articles_controller.rb:162:in `verify_config'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:399:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:399:in  
`call_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:394:in  
`each'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:394:in  
`call_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:383:in  
`before_action'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:365:in  
`perform_action_without_benchmark'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `measure'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in  
`perform_action'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:381:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:381:in  
`process_without_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:377:in  
`process_without_session_management_support'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/ 
session_management.rb:117:in `process'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:150:in `process_request'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:54:in `process!'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `each_cgi'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `process!'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:23:in `process!'
     dispatch.fcgi:24

Actually there's also errors thrown out for 'this_blog' with the  
ThemeController as well

NameError (undefined local variable or method `this_blog' for  
#<ThemeController:0x40872f80>):
     /app/controllers/theme_controller.rb:28:in `render_theme_item'
     /app/controllers/theme_controller.rb:6:in `stylesheets'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:910:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:910:in  
`perform_action_without_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:368:in  
`perform_action_without_benchmark'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `measure'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in  
`perform_action'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:381:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:381:in  
`process_without_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:377:in  
`process_without_session_management_support'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/ 
session_management.rb:117:in `process'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:150:in `process_request'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:54:in `process!'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `each_cgi'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `process!'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:23:in `process!'
     dispatch.fcgi:24

Haven't raised a ticket because don't know if it needs one.

Cheers

Gary

From kevin at sb.org  Wed May  3 11:50:51 2006
From: kevin at sb.org (Kevin Ballard)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:50:51 -0700
Subject: [typo] All sidebar data erased on publish (#850)
In-Reply-To: <9FF8C902-5C25-4275-A131-5B7D74D8737B@gmail.com>
References: <9FF8C902-5C25-4275-A131-5B7D74D8737B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C7A3C50-8D10-406F-BA5E-E1B8EF1C4A4D@sb.org>

Ouch! Filed a bug on this one?

On May 3, 2006, at 3:52 AM, Gary Shewan wrote:

> #846 is fixed in r1039.  But when I made a change to one of my
> sidebars - static content to say what version I was running
> ironically - then hit 'publish' ALL of the sidebar data vanished into
> the ether never to be seen again.
>
> Trunk seemed so stable ... doing pretty well on the major breakage
> lately ;)

-- 
Kevin Ballard
kevin at sb.org
http://kevin.sb.org
http://www.tildesoft.com


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From scott at sigkill.org  Wed May  3 12:16:41 2006
From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:16:41 -0700
Subject: [typo] Google Summer of Code 2006
In-Reply-To: <m1lktjwpnd.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <78ef03d0605020516ta1b7b03j3b9cea42c361d6c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<m1lktjwpnd.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <14b7e5ef0605030916y27686e1exb1a15d373cf6303b@mail.gmail.com>

I probably can.  Somehow I doubt work would mind if I spent a fewhours per week on SoC :-).

Scott
On 5/3/06, Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> wrote:> "Oleg Frolov" <leopardus.vulgaris at gmail.com> writes:>> > Hello everyone!> >> > I've noticed that Google has Ruby Central as mentoring organization> > this year and Ruby Central has "Contributions to Typo" suggestion. So> > I would like to apply. I believe, for me, it is good opportunity to> > quit enterprise, contribute to the community and promote myself as> > Ruby developer. I offer my helping hands (and brain too) to the Typo> > team. You may find more info on me on http://olegf.name. If you are> > interested please submit your ideas for my application. I'm new to> > Typo and I believe Typo developers have more suggestions on what Typo> > needs. I will try to do my best. I, for one, may suggest> > internationalization, rails 1.1 supported release (i  know it is in> > trunk, but it's not regular release yet) and a website> > http://typosphere.org (it is very important to attract more users). I> > really want to help.>> The issue for me is mentoring time. I simply don't have the time> available to be a mentor. I dunno about the other maintainers.>> --> Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>> http://www.bofh.org.uk/> _______________________________________________> Typo-list mailing list> Typo-list at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list>

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May  3 13:47:52 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:47:52 -0700
Subject: [typo] All sidebar data erased on publish (#850)
In-Reply-To: <6C7A3C50-8D10-406F-BA5E-E1B8EF1C4A4D@sb.org>
References: <9FF8C902-5C25-4275-A131-5B7D74D8737B@gmail.com>
	<6C7A3C50-8D10-406F-BA5E-E1B8EF1C4A4D@sb.org>
Message-ID: <b75a42a50605031047o77cde04fx7a523845760a2e3f@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah 850, sorry should have made that clearer

On 5/3/06, Kevin Ballard <kevin at sb.org> wrote:
> Ouch! Filed a bug on this one?
>
> On May 3, 2006, at 3:52 AM, Gary Shewan wrote:
>
> > #846 is fixed in r1039.  But when I made a change to one of my
> > sidebars - static content to say what version I was running
> > ironically - then hit 'publish' ALL of the sidebar data vanished into
> > the ether never to be seen again.
> >
> > Trunk seemed so stable ... doing pretty well on the major breakage
> > lately ;)
>
> --
> Kevin Ballard
> kevin at sb.org
> http://kevin.sb.org
> http://www.tildesoft.com
>
>
>
>


From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Wed May  3 17:27:00 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:27:00 +0100
Subject: [typo] r1036 posting problems
In-Reply-To: <97DA7583-1A4C-4AC0-81CF-6E0B8638DF58@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Wed, 3 May 2006 10:37:28 +0100")
References: <97DA7583-1A4C-4AC0-81CF-6E0B8638DF58@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1bqueiyu3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> I'll raise a ticket for this, but may as well detail it here as well  
> in case anybody else is thinking of upgrading.
>
> I upgraded to r1036 and when I posted something this morning the post  
> didn't show up.  Straight into the database (where it was stored) and  
> the issues are:
>
> body_html is not populated but set to NULL
> text filter ID is not applied
> Blog_Id is set to 0 and not 1

Oh crap. That'll teach me to trust the tests.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Thu May  4 06:47:16 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:47:16 +0100
Subject: [typo] Turning trackbacks off - for sure
Message-ID: <ABBB23FE-6EE9-41BA-9B53-CF69655BAD3D@gmail.com>

I've noticed an increase in spam attacks targeted specifically at Typo.

I opened Ticket #848 because although I had Typo set to block  
trackbacks they were still getting through.  I think this is because  
that option only applies to anything *after* you set that value.  I'm  
not sure because I had a lot of legacy posts from other systems.  I  
just ran a quick SQL statement to make sure they were all turned off  
though.

As for #848 I'm not sure it's a defect now ... more like a 'use'  
question.  So it probably doesn't need to be fixed.

If yo want to make sure trackbacks are turned off, just run this in  
something like phpmyadmin

UPDATE `contents` SET `allow_pings` =0

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Thu May  4 08:14:47 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:14:47 +0100
Subject: [typo] r1036 posting problems
In-Reply-To: <m1bqueiyu3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <97DA7583-1A4C-4AC0-81CF-6E0B8638DF58@gmail.com>
	<m1bqueiyu3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1830E47D-4C1C-436B-9B39-4FC7D1D4CDF6@gmail.com>


On 3 May 2006, at 22:27, Piers Cawley wrote:
>>
>> body_html is not populated but set to NULL
>> text filter ID is not applied
>> Blog_Id is set to 0 and not 1
>
> Oh crap. That'll teach me to trust the tests.
>

Awful caching issues as well.  Even when I alter those fields  
directly in the database to make the post appear it still doesn't  
appear on the blog page.  No point in rebuilding/sweeping the cache  
in settings either because they may as well have a note next to those  
links which says "Click these for a Rails error"

:)

r1036 - r1039 is unusable right now if you want to add anything to  
your site.  Stays up and runs okay for serving existing posts  
though.  Don't know how it handles anybody commenting though ... I  
think it helps if they pray a bit ;)

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Thu May  4 09:10:43 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:10:43 +0100
Subject: [typo] All sidebar data erased on publish (#850)
In-Reply-To: <6C7A3C50-8D10-406F-BA5E-E1B8EF1C4A4D@sb.org>
References: <9FF8C902-5C25-4275-A131-5B7D74D8737B@gmail.com>
	<6C7A3C50-8D10-406F-BA5E-E1B8EF1C4A4D@sb.org>
Message-ID: <0DDE34DA-2E18-4E3F-BB94-98543AEAAF6D@gmail.com>


On 3 May 2006, at 16:50, Kevin Ballard wrote:

> Ouch! Filed a bug on this one?
>

I can't recreate this in 1039 Kevin, which makes me wonder if I did  
it in 1036 and in all the quick upgrades yesterday morning flagged it  
as knackered in 1039.  I'm quite happy to say it's fixed for me in  
1039.  I've updated #850 to say that so it could be closed unless  
anyone else has issues.


From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Thu May  4 10:33:32 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:33:32 +0100
Subject: [typo] TemplateError in _article.rhtml
Message-ID: <3FF0BDA7-2D1E-4527-BD8E-A29104D263BE@gmail.com>

ActionView::TemplateError (uninitialized constant TextFilter) on line  
#5 of themes/theme/views/articles/_article.rhtml:
2: <p class="auth">
3: <%= js_distance_of_time_in_words_to_now article.created_at %></p>
4: <div class="post-body">
5:   <%= article.body_html %>
6: </div>

I'm seeing a lot of errors like those above in production.  Yes, it's  
my theme running but <%= article.body_html %> is standard in /app/ 
articles surely?

Can't be because it's enclose in a div??  Can it?

Anybody any clues?

Cheers

Gary

From thomaz at thomazleite.com  Thu May  4 14:58:01 2006
From: thomaz at thomazleite.com (Thomaz Leite)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:58:01 -0400
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
Message-ID: <445A4EB9.6070000@thomazleite.com>

I am trying to get trackbacks to work in my r1039. I installed the patch 
from the link below and I see the trackback field when posting, but I 
don't see my comment in the blog which  I sent the trackback. The blog 
I'm trying to send trackbacks supports them.

This is the patch (I also updated it)
http://ruby.tower-net.de/index.html/articles/2006/05/02/typo-patch-trackback-support

Is it anybody able to explain me how it works?


Thanks,
Thomaz Leite.

From thomaz at thomazleite.com  Thu May  4 15:05:44 2006
From: thomaz at thomazleite.com (Thomaz Leite)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:05:44 -0400 (AMT)
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
Message-ID: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>

I am trying to get trackbacks to work in my r1039. I installed the patch
from the link below and I see the trackback field when posting, but I
don't see my comment in the blog which  I sent the trackback. The blog I'm
trying to send trackbacks supports them.

This is the patch (I also updated it)
http://ruby.tower-net.de/index.html/articles/2006/05/02/typo-patch-trackback-support

Is it anybody able to explain me how it works?


Thanks
-- 
Thomaz Leite
thomaz[at]thomazleite.com (Email, Jabber)


From usenet-052006 at tower-net.de  Fri May  5 07:18:50 2006
From: usenet-052006 at tower-net.de (Markus Kolb)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:18:50 +0200
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
In-Reply-To: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
References: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
Message-ID: <e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>

Thomaz Leite wrote:
> I am trying to get trackbacks to work in my r1039. I installed the patch
> from the link below and I see the trackback field when posting, but I
> don't see my comment in the blog which  I sent the trackback. The blog I'm
> trying to send trackbacks supports them.
> 
> This is the patch (I also updated it)
> http://ruby.tower-net.de/index.html/articles/2006/05/02/typo-patch-trackback-support

Which patch have you used? I've done some changes on May 3rd... There is
a patch for r1039 and a patch to this patch which repairs Quickpost.

> Is it anybody able to explain me how it works?

Well, enable trackback (settings) and enter the "trackback uri" in the
textfield at article post. It should work.

You can have a look at your logfile. There should be entries with
"Trackbacks:" and "Processing ArticlesController#trackback".


From thomaz at thomazleite.com  Fri May  5 12:37:45 2006
From: thomaz at thomazleite.com (Thomaz Leite)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:37:45 -0400 (AMT)
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
In-Reply-To: <e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
	<e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <51325.200.212.114.10.1146847065.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>

Yes, I am using the 1039-patch1, although I'm not writing posts using
quick post.

I enabled trackbacks in settings and when posting, I open the "add
trackback" textfield and enter a trackback url for a second post in my
blog, I also add a link to this second post in the "Article" field.

I noticed when I try to edit the post, the Trackback url is not saved, and
the trackback textfield is empty. However this is not so important, the
problem is that there are no trackbacks in the post which I sent them.

I also noticed that I have a post with a trackback url saved, although
it's not a real trackback url, and I cannot delete it. When I save the
post and go back to edit it, the url I removed is still there.


On Fri, May 5, 2006 07:18, Markus Kolb wrote:
> Thomaz Leite wrote:
>> I am trying to get trackbacks to work in my r1039. I installed the patch
>> from the link below and I see the trackback field when posting, but I
>> don't see my comment in the blog which  I sent the trackback. The blog
>> I'm
>> trying to send trackbacks supports them.
>>
>> This is the patch (I also updated it)
>> http://ruby.tower-net.de/index.html/articles/2006/05/02/typo-patch-trackback-support
>
> Which patch have you used? I've done some changes on May 3rd... There is
> a patch for r1039 and a patch to this patch which repairs Quickpost.
>
>> Is it anybody able to explain me how it works?
>
> Well, enable trackback (settings) and enter the "trackback uri" in the
> textfield at article post. It should work.
>
> You can have a look at your logfile. There should be entries with
> "Trackbacks:" and "Processing ArticlesController#trackback".
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>


--
Thomaz Leite
thomaz[at]thomazleite.com (Email, Jabber)



From usenet-052006 at tower-net.de  Fri May  5 12:54:06 2006
From: usenet-052006 at tower-net.de (Markus Kolb)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:54:06 +0200
Subject: [typo] Turning trackbacks off - for sure
References: <ABBB23FE-6EE9-41BA-9B53-CF69655BAD3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.05.16.54.04.72349@tower-net.de>

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:47:16 +0100, Gary Shewan wrote:

> I've noticed an increase in spam attacks targeted specifically at Typo.
> 
> I opened Ticket #848 because although I had Typo set to block  
> trackbacks they were still getting through.  I think this is because  
> that option only applies to anything *after* you set that value.  I'm  
> not sure because I had a lot of legacy posts from other systems.  I  
> just ran a quick SQL statement to make sure they were all turned off  
> though.
> 
> As for #848 I'm not sure it's a defect now ... more like a 'use'  
> question.  So it probably doesn't need to be fixed.

See ticket #860 http://typosphere.org/trac/ticket/860 for a patch which
adds a new setting "Allow pings for blog". Disabling this should stop
trackbacking spam for the whole blog. The existing option for the
trackback default value only sets the default value for new articles in
the advanced options (allow pings). This can be toggled per article.


From usenet-052006 at tower-net.de  Fri May  5 14:00:03 2006
From: usenet-052006 at tower-net.de (Markus Kolb)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:00:03 +0200
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
References: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
	<e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<51325.200.212.114.10.1146847065.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.05.18.00.01.842979@tower-net.de>

On Fri, 05 May 2006 12:37:45 -0400, Thomaz Leite wrote:

> Yes, I am using the 1039-patch1, although I'm not writing posts using
> quick post.
> 
> I enabled trackbacks in settings and when posting, I open the "add
> trackback" textfield and enter a trackback url for a second post in my
> blog, I also add a link to this second post in the "Article" field.

Do you talk about "Enable trackbacks by default" or "Send trackbacks to
external sites"?
The textfield for external site urls is optional. This url textfield is
for sites you want to notice about every change on your blog. Check
the box and make the textfield empty if you only want to do it article
based.

> 
> I noticed when I try to edit the post, the Trackback url is not saved, and
> the trackback textfield is empty. However this is not so important, the
> problem is that there are no trackbacks in the post which I sent them.

Do you really use a trackback url and not the article url (permalink)? 

> I also noticed that I have a post with a trackback url saved, although
> it's not a real trackback url, and I cannot delete it. When I save the
> post and go back to edit it, the url I removed is still there.

Ok, this is another bug. I wouldn't bet how many bugs are in this patch.
Maybe I should do a rewrite.
But with correct trackback url it works here.

>> You can have a look at your logfile. There should be entries with
>> "Trackbacks:" and "Processing ArticlesController#trackback".

Please have a look at your logfile for these two strings and post the
lines following them. It's very difficult to say what's going wrong there
without an idea what's going on.


From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May  6 03:40:46 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 08:40:46 +0100
Subject: [typo] Copious Free Time bit enabled
Message-ID: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

First up: Sorry for all the recent problems with Typo that followed on
from a couple of my patches; I've spent the last week insanely busy on
paying work which left me too knackered to do anything on Typo in the
evenings.

However, I'm off that contract now[1] and I plan to spend some quality
time with Typo this week. 

If anyone's looking for an inflexible, scary and slow programmer for
some paying work, my email address is down there in the signature, I'd
be happy to hear from you.


1. Apparently I'm inflexible, scary and slow. Inflexible? possibly.
   Scary? Well, I suppose a huge shouty fat person could be seen as
   scary. Slow? Wha?

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From nertzy at gmail.com  Sat May  6 03:46:51 2006
From: nertzy at gmail.com (Grant Hutchins)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 03:46:51 -0400
Subject: [typo] Copious Free Time bit enabled
In-Reply-To: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <cc58f7290605060046g663eff5dj1bc18ecb81425778@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks, Piers! Typo is an amazing blog system!
I know it's been a bit on the finicky side lately, but I've beenlearning a lot about Rails and everything through keeping up with themilestones and poking around. And it's getting better all the time.
So I hope everything works out well for you.

On 5/6/06, Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> wrote:> First up: Sorry for all the recent problems with Typo that followed on> from a couple of my patches; I've spent the last week insanely busy on> paying work which left me too knackered to do anything on Typo in the> evenings.>> However, I'm off that contract now[1] and I plan to spend some quality> time with Typo this week.>> If anyone's looking for an inflexible, scary and slow programmer for> some paying work, my email address is down there in the signature, I'd> be happy to hear from you.>>> 1. Apparently I'm inflexible, scary and slow. Inflexible? possibly.>    Scary? Well, I suppose a huge shouty fat person could be seen as>    scary. Slow? Wha?>> --> Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>> http://www.bofh.org.uk/> _______________________________________________> Typo-list mailing list> Typo-list at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list>

--Grant Hutchinsnertzy at gmail.com

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sat May  6 05:53:24 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:53:24 +0100
Subject: [typo] Copious Free Time bit enabled
In-Reply-To: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <8C88DF99-E521-4FC9-88EC-5D094B646121@gmail.com>


On 6 May 2006, at 08:40, Piers Cawley wrote:

> First up: Sorry for all the recent problems with Typo that followed on
> from a couple of my patches; I've spent the last week insanely busy on
> paying work which left me too knackered to do anything on Typo in the
> evenings.
>
> However, I'm off that contract now[1] and I plan to spend some quality
> time with Typo this week.

Don't worry, it only affects people on the edge ... and we're on  
there to test.  In fact I've picked up a couple of issues and learnt  
a couple of things by diving into files and the db because of it.   
Trackbacks in particular.

Which is not to say that breakage is good though!  Because we (me)  
also point and laugh and say "Piers patch has broke it again" ;)

Cheers

Gary


From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May  6 06:23:43 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:23:43 +0100
Subject: [typo] Copious Free Time bit enabled
In-Reply-To: <8C88DF99-E521-4FC9-88EC-5D094B646121@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Sat, 6 May 2006 10:53:24 +0100")
References: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<8C88DF99-E521-4FC9-88EC-5D094B646121@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m13bfno3io.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> On 6 May 2006, at 08:40, Piers Cawley wrote:
>
>> First up: Sorry for all the recent problems with Typo that followed on
>> from a couple of my patches; I've spent the last week insanely busy on
>> paying work which left me too knackered to do anything on Typo in the
>> evenings.
>>
>> However, I'm off that contract now[1] and I plan to spend some quality
>> time with Typo this week.
>
> Don't worry, it only affects people on the edge ... and we're on  
> there to test.  In fact I've picked up a couple of issues and learnt  
> a couple of things by diving into files and the db because of it.   
> Trackbacks in particular.
>
> Which is not to say that breakage is good though!  Because we (me)  
> also point and laugh and say "Piers patch has broke it again" ;)

Yeah, they're usually my patches aren't they?

I think I've got a big one coming up to try and sort out the whole
publication status/trackbacks/whatever situation. The responsibility
for sending pings and the like needs to be moved out into an observer;
conceptually, an article doesn't need to know all that stuff about
pinging things, it just needs to know what it's called, what it
contains, when it was published and what's been said about it. The
Blog is responsible for knowing where to find it, and the (as yet
nonexistent) PublicationObserver will be responsible for noticing that
an article got published and sending out any pings and other
notifications based on the blog's policy settings.

Big changes, but I think it'll make for a conceptually cleaner system,
and conceptual cleanliness is never a bad thing.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From thomaz at thomazleite.com  Sat May  6 11:26:39 2006
From: thomaz at thomazleite.com (Thomaz Leite)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:26:39 -0400 (AMT)
Subject: [typo] Copious Free Time bit enabled
In-Reply-To: <m13bfno3io.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1bqubob29.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<8C88DF99-E521-4FC9-88EC-5D094B646121@gmail.com>
	<m13bfno3io.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <47152.200.212.114.10.1146929199.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>


On Sat, May 6, 2006 06:23, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Yeah, they're usually my patches aren't they?
>
> I think I've got a big one coming up to try and sort out the whole
> publication status/trackbacks/whatever situation.

I hope you do this. Typo is great, keep the good work!


-- 
Thomaz Leite
thomaz[at]thomazleite.com (Email, Jabber)



From thomaz at thomazleite.com  Sat May  6 11:40:59 2006
From: thomaz at thomazleite.com (Thomaz Leite)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:40:59 -0400 (AMT)
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
In-Reply-To: <pan.2006.05.05.18.00.01.842979@tower-net.de>
References: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
	<e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<51325.200.212.114.10.1146847065.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
	<pan.2006.05.05.18.00.01.842979@tower-net.de>
Message-ID: <18088.200.212.114.10.1146930059.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>


On Fri, May 5, 2006 14:00, Markus Kolb wrote:
> On Fri, 05 May 2006 12:37:45 -0400, Thomaz Leite wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am using the 1039-patch1, although I'm not writing posts using
>> quick post.
>>
>> I enabled trackbacks in settings and when posting, I open the "add
>> trackback" textfield and enter a trackback url for a second post in my
>> blog, I also add a link to this second post in the "Article" field.
>
> Do you talk about "Enable trackbacks by default" or "Send trackbacks to
> external sites"?
> The textfield for external site urls is optional. This url textfield is
> for sites you want to notice about every change on your blog. Check
> the box and make the textfield empty if you only want to do it article
> based.
>

I am talking about enable trackbacks by default. The textfield for
external sites contains only urls of sites such as technorati.

>>
>> I noticed when I try to edit the post, the Trackback url is not saved,
>> and
>> the trackback textfield is empty. However this is not so important, the
>> problem is that there are no trackbacks in the post which I sent them.
>
> Do you really use a trackback url and not the article url (permalink)?
>

Yes, I'm using a trackback url, not the permalink.

>> I also noticed that I have a post with a trackback url saved, although
>> it's not a real trackback url, and I cannot delete it. When I save the
>> post and go back to edit it, the url I removed is still there.
>
> Ok, this is another bug. I wouldn't bet how many bugs are in this patch.
> Maybe I should do a rewrite.
> But with correct trackback url it works here.
>

Ok if it's a bug. But when using correct trackback urls, this problem
remains.

>>> You can have a look at your logfile. There should be entries with
>>> "Trackbacks:" and "Processing ArticlesController#trackback".
>
> Please have a look at your logfile for these two strings and post the
> lines following them. It's very difficult to say what's going wrong there
> without an idea what's going on.
>

Sorry from my part for not sending the log entries. Here they are:

Trackbacks: ["http://blog.thomazleite.com/articles/trackback/6"]
article: send_pings("http://blog.thomazleite.com/",
"http://blog.thomazleite.com/articles/2006/05/05/teste-de-trackback",
["http://blog.thomazleite.com/articles/trackback/6"])
Pinging http://rpc.technorati.com/rpc/ping
Pinging http://ping.blo.gs/
Pinging http://rpc.weblogs.com/RPC2
Pinging
http://blog.thomazleite.com/articles/2006/05/05/livro-sobre-ruby--em-pt_br

Processing ArticlesController#trackback (for 66.249.66.212 at 2006-05-05
19:21:29) [GET]
  Session ID: 2851c271f17385e41e43ccab3068795c
  Parameters: {"action"=>"trackback", "id"=>"6", "controller"=>"articles"}
Rendering articles/trackback
Completed in 0.09347 (10 reqs/sec) | Rendering: 0.08588 (91%) | DB:
0.00452 (4%) | 200 OK [http://thomazleite.com/articles/trackback/6]

-- 
Thomaz Leite
thomaz[at]thomazleite.com (Email, Jabber)



From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May  6 12:13:51 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 17:13:51 +0100
Subject: [typo] Trackbacks
Message-ID: <m1vesj2ksg.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

I'm seriously considering a series of patches that will turn off
trackback sending and other notifications entirely (probably to the
extent of removing the code for a while) while I sort out the
semantics of publication. By stripping out the 'extras', I hope to be
able to see what's needed a little more clearly, once there's a
publishing pipeline in place it shouldn't be hard to reinstate
notfications.

The question is, to branch, or not to branch? I'm generally gung ho
about not branching, I'd far rather get feedback on changes/bugs from
as wide a constituency as possible, but I'm also aware that I'm
proposing to strip away quite a bit of functionality while I work on
something that won't immediately have fabulous benefits for people who
aren't working on the code.

My hope is that, by doing this, we'll end up with a clearer, cleaner
codebase that should be easier to extend in interesting ways, complete
with a rather more comprehensive test suite than we have now.

Thoughts?
-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From meta at pobox.com  Sat May  6 12:32:47 2006
From: meta at pobox.com (mathew)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:32:47 -0500
Subject: [typo] Trackbacks
In-Reply-To: <m1vesj2ksg.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1vesj2ksg.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <9AF309E3-0B08-4891-B7E4-FD90DD9CE3FA@pobox.com>


On May 6, 2006, at 11:13 , Piers Cawley wrote:
> I'm seriously considering a series of patches that will turn off
> trackback sending and other notifications entirely (probably to the
> extent of removing the code for a while) while I sort out the
> semantics of publication. By stripping out the 'extras', I hope to be
> able to see what's needed a little more clearly, once there's a
> publishing pipeline in place it shouldn't be hard to reinstate
> notfications.
>
> The question is, to branch, or not to branch?

How about a stable release before starting a bunch of major  
disruptive work?


mathew

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May  6 13:27:18 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:27:18 +0100
Subject: [typo] Trackbacks
In-Reply-To: <9AF309E3-0B08-4891-B7E4-FD90DD9CE3FA@pobox.com> (mathew's
	message of "Sat, 6 May 2006 11:32:47 -0500")
References: <m1vesj2ksg.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<9AF309E3-0B08-4891-B7E4-FD90DD9CE3FA@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <m1mzdv2he1.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

mathew <meta at pobox.com> writes:

> On May 6, 2006, at 11:13 , Piers Cawley wrote:
>> I'm seriously considering a series of patches that will turn off
>> trackback sending and other notifications entirely (probably to the
>> extent of removing the code for a while) while I sort out the
>> semantics of publication. By stripping out the 'extras', I hope to be
>> able to see what's needed a little more clearly, once there's a
>> publishing pipeline in place it shouldn't be hard to reinstate
>> notfications.
>>
>> The question is, to branch, or not to branch?
>
> How about a stable release before starting a bunch of major  
> disruptive work?

Bah! Stability is overrated. But you might have a point here.


-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From hal9000 at hypermetrics.com  Sat May  6 13:34:26 2006
From: hal9000 at hypermetrics.com (Hal Fulton)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:34:26 -0500
Subject: [typo] Updating a prehistoric Typo...
Message-ID: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>

I've been putting this off but eventually I'll have to
bite the bullet.

My Typo is old. So old I'm not sure how old. So old I'm
not even sure how to find out what version I have.

I notice some things like test/ are timestamped Oct 5.

I do remember I was updating it from svn -- I also remember I
had migration issues every single time I migrated, and I had
no custom code or anything.

If you were me, where would you start? Besides backing up
the database, that is.


Thanks,
Hal


From usenet-052006 at tower-net.de  Sat May  6 15:32:22 2006
From: usenet-052006 at tower-net.de (Markus Kolb)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:32:22 +0200
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
In-Reply-To: <18088.200.212.114.10.1146930059.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
References: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>	<e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>	<51325.200.212.114.10.1146847065.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>	<pan.2006.05.05.18.00.01.842979@tower-net.de>
	<18088.200.212.114.10.1146930059.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
Message-ID: <e3itjm$on8$1@sea.gmane.org>

Thomaz Leite wrote:
> On Fri, May 5, 2006 14:00, Markus Kolb wrote:

[...]
>> Ok, this is another bug. I wouldn't bet how many bugs are in this patch.
>> Maybe I should do a rewrite.
>> But with correct trackback url it works here.
>>
> 
> Ok if it's a bug. But when using correct trackback urls, this problem
> remains.

I've read more code and it's not really a bug. The original patch coder
has forgotten to tell that his patch wasn't finished ;(
It depends on the settings if it works or not.
I try to finish it in the next days.


From kevin at sb.org  Sat May  6 20:40:03 2006
From: kevin at sb.org (Kevin Ballard)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:40:03 -0700
Subject: [typo] Updating a prehistoric Typo...
In-Reply-To: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>
References: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>
Message-ID: <70B737B3-32AE-4F4F-ADA4-A52CDCFE7436@sb.org>

I would start by backing up the database, pulling down latest trunk,  
and seeing if you can migrate up to it. Some time ago a lot of work  
was done on the migrations to try and make it as robust as possible,  
so it should be a lot better now.

If that fails, come back and ask again.

On May 6, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Hal Fulton wrote:

> I've been putting this off but eventually I'll have to
> bite the bullet.
>
> My Typo is old. So old I'm not sure how old. So old I'm
> not even sure how to find out what version I have.
>
> I notice some things like test/ are timestamped Oct 5.
>
> I do remember I was updating it from svn -- I also remember I
> had migration issues every single time I migrated, and I had
> no custom code or anything.
>
> If you were me, where would you start? Besides backing up
> the database, that is.

-- 
Kevin Ballard
kevin at sb.org
http://kevin.sb.org
http://www.tildesoft.com


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From usenet-052006 at tower-net.de  Sat May  6 22:49:42 2006
From: usenet-052006 at tower-net.de (Markus Kolb)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 04:49:42 +0200
Subject: [typo] How to use Trackbacks in r1039
In-Reply-To: <e3itjm$on8$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1374.200.212.114.10.1146769544.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>	<e3fcad$sur$1@sea.gmane.org>	<51325.200.212.114.10.1146847065.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>	<pan.2006.05.05.18.00.01.842979@tower-net.de>	<18088.200.212.114.10.1146930059.squirrel@webmail.thomazleite.com>
	<e3itjm$on8$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <e3jn7l$gbt$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello Thomaz,

can you try these two additional patches...
http://ruby.tower-net.de/typo/typo_trackbacks_svndiff-1039_patch2.diff
http://ruby.tower-net.de/typo/typo_trackbacks_svndiff-1039_patch3.diff

There is now a warning about each failed ping. But I am not sure if this
is an good idea for the urls in the article body. Should I enable the
warnings only for the urls in trackback textarea? What do you think?

Do you know an url with pingback support (X-Pingback header/pingback
link tag) where I can test that part?


Update May 07 2006:

Here is an additional patch: typotrackbackssvndiff-1039_patch2.diff

Known issues:

   1. Pings are sent on each article edit
typotrackbackssvndiff-1039_patch3.diff

Changes:

   1. Reports failed ping urls
   2. Supports adding new trackbacks on article edit
   3. Supports pingbacks (untested) and trackbacks from normal urls in
the article text body

Note:

Using urls in body with pingback or trackback support and adding a
trackback for the same target results in 2 pings to the same target.


From drcforbin at gmail.com  Sat May  6 23:34:10 2006
From: drcforbin at gmail.com (Ryan Williams)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:34:10 -0400
Subject: [typo] Trackbacks
In-Reply-To: <m1mzdv2he1.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1vesj2ksg.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<9AF309E3-0B08-4891-B7E4-FD90DD9CE3FA@pobox.com>
	<m1mzdv2he1.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <a5bbcba40605062034l28b06f1ej66f5c69cfe9bbd19@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for stable release.

On 5/6/06, Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> wrote:
> mathew <meta at pobox.com> writes:
>
> > On May 6, 2006, at 11:13 , Piers Cawley wrote:
> >> I'm seriously considering a series of patches that will turn off
> >> trackback sending and other notifications entirely (probably to the
> >> extent of removing the code for a while) while I sort out the
> >> semantics of publication. By stripping out the 'extras', I hope to be
> >> able to see what's needed a little more clearly, once there's a
> >> publishing pipeline in place it shouldn't be hard to reinstate
> >> notfications.
> >>
> >> The question is, to branch, or not to branch?
> >
> > How about a stable release before starting a bunch of major
> > disruptive work?
>
> Bah! Stability is overrated. But you might have a point here.
>
>
> --
> Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
> http://www.bofh.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>


From bronson at rinspin.com  Sun May  7 22:28:50 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 22:28:50 -0400
Subject: [typo] Updating a prehistoric Typo...
In-Reply-To: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>
References: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>
Message-ID: <1147055330.21682.37.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 12:34 -0500, Hal Fulton wrote:
> I do remember I was updating it from svn -- I also remember I
> had migration issues every single time I migrated, and I had
> no custom code or anything.

The BareMigration patch (now in trunk with many improvements thanks to
Piers) should fix any migration issues you saw.

So, back up your DB and prove me wrong!  I don't keep very current on
this list -- email me directly if you notice a migration that's broken.

    - Scott



From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May  8 04:31:12 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:31:12 +0100
Subject: [typo] Updating a prehistoric Typo...
In-Reply-To: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>
References: <445CDE22.70607@hypermetrics.com>
Message-ID: <2F1A9E5E-9CAA-4587-B959-2ABB08493B9D@gmail.com>


On 6 May 2006, at 18:34, Hal Fulton wrote:
>
> If you were me, where would you start? Besides backing up
> the database, that is.

Migrations should be okay, but definitely go for a local install of  
Typo to test them before trying it live.

Gary

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Mon May  8 06:56:04 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 11:56:04 +0100
Subject: [typo] Recent problems with posting
Message-ID: <m13bfkbxa3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Just checking, are these sorted now? I can't seem to replicate the
issues here.
-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May  8 07:06:47 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:06:47 +0100
Subject: [typo] Recent problems with posting
In-Reply-To: <m13bfkbxa3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m13bfkbxa3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4D6E5577-6C72-4EB5-A2BC-9284DA616B05@gmail.com>


On 8 May 2006, at 11:56, Piers Cawley wrote:

> Just checking, are these sorted now? I can't seem to replicate the
> issues here.
>

Definitely still a problem.  You can see what it changes in #847 and  
every time I post from Ecto it needs me to make a manual change in  
the db.  This isn't a problem posting from the admin area ... never  
was.  Only a problem posting from a blog client.

Cheers

Gary


From lieven.dekeyzer at gmail.com  Mon May  8 10:23:45 2006
From: lieven.dekeyzer at gmail.com (Lieven De Keyzer)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:23:45 +0200
Subject: [typo] Admin interface can not be reached
Message-ID: <b0ad99910605080723p15e89a2bx2b49798242a536d0@mail.gmail.com>

This is what I did to install Typo:

$ ln -s ~/typo/public ~/public_html/blog

When I go to hostname/~me/blog, I get:

The requested URL /exports/home/me/public_html/blog/index.html was not
found on this server.

So I added RewriteBase /~me/blog/ to ~/typo/public/.htaccess.

Now, my blog loads fine, but when surfing to hostname/~me/blog/admin, I get:

Application Error
Typo could not be reached


From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Mon May  8 10:51:31 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:51:31 +0100
Subject: [typo] Recent problems with posting
In-Reply-To: <4D6E5577-6C72-4EB5-A2BC-9284DA616B05@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Mon, 8 May 2006 12:06:47 +0100")
References: <m13bfkbxa3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<4D6E5577-6C72-4EB5-A2BC-9284DA616B05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1y7xca7t8.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> On 8 May 2006, at 11:56, Piers Cawley wrote:
>
>> Just checking, are these sorted now? I can't seem to replicate the
>> issues here.
>>
>
> Definitely still a problem.  You can see what it changes in #847 and  
> every time I post from Ecto it needs me to make a manual change in  
> the db.  This isn't a problem posting from the admin area ... never  
> was.  Only a problem posting from a blog client.

Ah... I see. I'm just running the tests for a new patch (complete with
some sanity checking tests) that should fix it. Sorry for the problems.

All being well, it should be checked in (r1041, probably) by the time
you read this.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May  9 07:40:34 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:40:34 +0100
Subject: [typo] New (to me) production errors
Message-ID: <531FFA76-3220-4687-A755-481E585396C7@gmail.com>

Seeing a lot of this today:

NameError (uninitialized constant Sidebars::Plugin):
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/../../activesupport/lib/ 
active_support/dependencies.rb:100:in `const_missing'
     /app/controllers/sidebar_controller.rb:38:in `available_sidebars'
     /app/controllers/sidebar_controller.rb:30:in `enabled_sidebars'
     /app/controllers/sidebar_controller.rb:13:in `display_plugins'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:910:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:910:in  
`perform_action_without_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:368:in  
`perform_action_without_benchmark'
...blah, blah.

Always seems to be followed by

RuntimeError (Controller stack got out of kilter!):
     /app/models/blog.rb:116:in `after'
...blah, blah.


Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May  9 09:57:25 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:57:25 +0100
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
Message-ID: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>

(I really should put something like this on the wiki as well)

How many actually use the Blacklist page in admin?  I'd sort of left  
it alone because I knew it uses the black art of regex.  But I've had  
a little look at it today and it does use string expressions as well.

So if you are seeing spammy comments along the usual lines of 'poker'  
or 'pills' ... hmm that's probably going to get trapped in peoples  
filters ... anyway, you can create a new pattern and just put the  
term you want blocked in the body of the post.  As long as you set  
the type to string.  You can see it working in logs:

[SP] Scanning for StringPattern poker
[SP] Hit: String 'poker' matched

Comments matching any patterns will not be posted.

Be aware though there isn't any form of moderation on this ... so if  
your friends are wanting to organise a poker night then you won't  
hear about it on your site :)

**

While testing I did run across some of those damn NoMethodError log  
entries again ... I'm going to have to find out what they are and are  
they linked to the Rails errors that I slam into sometimes?  Do they  
make any sense to developers?  Is it a Rails thing, a Typo thing or a  
mixture of both?

NoMethodError (undefined method `look_for_needed_db_updates' for  
#<Admin::BlacklistController:0x4097a83c>):
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:399:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:399:in  
`call_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:394:in  
`each'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:394:in  
`call_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:383:in  
`before_action'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:365:in
... blah, blah, blah


Gary

From jake at whoisjake.com  Tue May  9 10:20:28 2006
From: jake at whoisjake.com (Jake Good)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:20:28 -0500
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>

To be honest, I only allow Ajax comments and have not received ANY spam 
at all.

Haven't touched the blacklist...

Gary Shewan wrote:
> (I really should put something like this on the wiki as well)
>
> How many actually use the Blacklist page in admin?  I'd sort of left  
> it alone because I knew it uses the black art of regex.  But I've had  
> a little look at it today and it does use string expressions as well.
>
> So if you are seeing spammy comments along the usual lines of 'poker'  
> or 'pills' ... hmm that's probably going to get trapped in peoples  
> filters ... anyway, you can create a new pattern and just put the  
> term you want blocked in the body of the post.  As long as you set  
> the type to string.  You can see it working in logs:
>
> [SP] Scanning for StringPattern poker
> [SP] Hit: String 'poker' matched
>
> Comments matching any patterns will not be posted.
>
> Be aware though there isn't any form of moderation on this ... so if  
> your friends are wanting to organise a poker night then you won't  
> hear about it on your site :)
>
> **
>
> While testing I did run across some of those damn NoMethodError log  
> entries again ... I'm going to have to find out what they are and are  
> they linked to the Rails errors that I slam into sometimes?  Do they  
> make any sense to developers?  Is it a Rails thing, a Typo thing or a  
> mixture of both?
>
> NoMethodError (undefined method `look_for_needed_db_updates' for  
> #<Admin::BlacklistController:0x4097a83c>):
>      /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:399:in  
> `send'
>      /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:399:in  
> `call_filters'
>      /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:394:in  
> `each'
>      /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:394:in  
> `call_filters'
>      /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:383:in  
> `before_action'
>      /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:365:in
> ... blah, blah, blah
>
>
> Gary
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
>   

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May  9 10:32:42 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:32:42 +0100
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
	<4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>
Message-ID: <0213D843-E741-4F46-8C7C-7E1ACE7B5D70@gmail.com>


On 9 May 2006, at 15:20, Jake Good wrote:

> To be honest, I only allow Ajax comments and have not received ANY  
> spam
> at all.
>
> Haven't touched the blacklist...
>

Very true.  Neither did I which is why I wanted to look at it.  If  
you want a quiet life then don't allow non-ajax commenting because it  
works really well.  I've still had a few spam comments (3 total), but  
they've been entered manually.

I don't know if everybody would be the same though.  Some might want  
to allow non AJAX commenting for an example - so people can comment  
from handheld devices (PocketPC, mobile phones and the like).  No big  
deal to me, but others might want that.  You could also use the  
blacklist to block any trolls if you pick them up. Saves messing with  
htaccess every time.

Still it just shows that there is another level of protection with  
Typo that can be used.

Gary

From kvanderauwera at gmail.com  Tue May  9 10:54:32 2006
From: kvanderauwera at gmail.com (Koen Van der Auwera)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:54:32 +0200
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <0213D843-E741-4F46-8C7C-7E1ACE7B5D70@gmail.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
	<4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>
	<0213D843-E741-4F46-8C7C-7E1ACE7B5D70@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53f0709b0605090754o14dd8523qd78537c1afb1bed2@mail.gmail.com>

I also don't allow non ajax comments and for the comments that works
fine, but occasionally I do get  trackback spam.

The other day I had to remove 190+ trackbacks from one post. - which
reminds me: some sort of  "delete-all" button (for comments or
trackbacks) in the admin panel would be nice :)


On 5/9/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 9 May 2006, at 15:20, Jake Good wrote:
>
> > To be honest, I only allow Ajax comments and have not received ANY
> > spam
> > at all.
> >
> > Haven't touched the blacklist...
> >
>
> Very true.  Neither did I which is why I wanted to look at it.  If
> you want a quiet life then don't allow non-ajax commenting because it
> works really well.  I've still had a few spam comments (3 total), but
> they've been entered manually.
>
> I don't know if everybody would be the same though.  Some might want
> to allow non AJAX commenting for an example - so people can comment
> from handheld devices (PocketPC, mobile phones and the like).  No big
> deal to me, but others might want that.  You could also use the
> blacklist to block any trolls if you pick them up. Saves messing with
> htaccess every time.
>
> Still it just shows that there is another level of protection with
> Typo that can be used.
>
> Gary
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>


--
Koen.


From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Tue May  9 22:04:13 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:04:13 +1000
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
	<4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>
Message-ID: <A4132CD0-B8BF-4110-8C87-0DC59EF7C8E4@trypticon.org>

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On 10/05/2006, at 00:20 AM, Jake Good wrote:

> To be honest, I only allow Ajax comments and have not received ANY  
> spam
> at all.

I only allow AJAX comments myself, and I've definitely had spam since  
disabling it.  I ended up just blocking comments past N days, to  
reduce the number of articles I need to remove comments from if it  
happens.

TX

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From hal9000 at hypermetrics.com  Tue May  9 22:21:14 2006
From: hal9000 at hypermetrics.com (Hal Fulton)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:21:14 -0500
Subject: [typo] [OT] Bleah -- can't dump db
Message-ID: <44614E1A.60905@hypermetrics.com>

[root at www typo]# mysqldump -u hal9000 -p typo  >backup3.out
Enter password:
mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'hal9000'@'localhost' (using 
password: YES) when trying to connect


Got any idea what's wrong?


Hal


From josh at hasmanythrough.com  Wed May 10 01:56:16 2006
From: josh at hasmanythrough.com (Josh Susser)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:56:16 -0700
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD1112C3-3737-496F-B8FF-7167838A11F2@hasmanythrough.com>

The annoying limit on blacklists is that they only match against the  
body of the comment, not the url or email address.  I get a lot of  
blog spam that is using the url to generate some blog mana by linking  
off mine.  Would be great if the blacklist worked on the url field  
too.  Yes, it's an easy patch to make (I think) but I'm not running  
trunk yet so I'm not set up to do it myself just now.

--
Josh Susser
http://blog.hasmanythrough.com

On May 9, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Gary Shewan wrote:

> (I really should put something like this on the wiki as well)
>
> How many actually use the Blacklist page in admin?  I'd sort of left
> it alone because I knew it uses the black art of regex.  But I've had
> a little look at it today and it does use string expressions as well.
>
> So if you are seeing spammy comments along the usual lines of 'poker'
> or 'pills' ... hmm that's probably going to get trapped in peoples
> filters ... anyway, you can create a new pattern and just put the
> term you want blocked in the body of the post.  As long as you set
> the type to string.  You can see it working in logs:
>
> [SP] Scanning for StringPattern poker
> [SP] Hit: String 'poker' matched
>
> Comments matching any patterns will not be posted.
>
> Be aware though there isn't any form of moderation on this ... so if
> your friends are wanting to organise a poker night then you won't
> hear about it on your site :)


From dom at happygiraffe.net  Wed May 10 04:08:22 2006
From: dom at happygiraffe.net (Dominic Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:08:22 +0100
Subject: [typo] [OT] Bleah -- can't dump db
In-Reply-To: <44614E1A.60905@hypermetrics.com>
References: <44614E1A.60905@hypermetrics.com>
Message-ID: <44619F76.5060301@happygiraffe.net>

Hal Fulton wrote:
> [root at www typo]# mysqldump -u hal9000 -p typo  >backup3.out
> Enter password:
> mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'hal9000'@'localhost' (using 
> password: YES) when trying to connect
> 
> 
> Got any idea what's wrong?

Silly question, but do those parameters exactly match what's in 
config/database.yml?  For example, leaving out the hostname on the 
mysqldump command /may/ make a difference, because you're connecting 
over the local socket.

-Dom

From dennis at instant-thinking.de  Wed May 10 05:25:16 2006
From: dennis at instant-thinking.de (Dennis Wegner)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:25:16 +0200
Subject: [typo] [OT] Bleah -- can't dump db
In-Reply-To: <44614E1A.60905@hypermetrics.com>
References: <44614E1A.60905@hypermetrics.com>
Message-ID: <A87A5603-D3CE-4F1A-887B-6FAECFCE9734@instant-thinking.de>

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Hi Hal,

Am 10.05.2006 um 04:21 schrieb Hal Fulton:

> [root at www typo]# mysqldump -u hal9000 -p typo  >backup3.out
> Enter password:
> mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user  
> 'hal9000'@'localhost' (using
> password: YES) when trying to connect
>
>
> Got any idea what's wrong?

I think I once encountered a similar problem.

Did you try to remove the whitespace at the password statement and  
enter your password directly?

Just turn "-p typo" into "-pyourpassword typo" and leave the rest as is.

This did the trick for me here...

HTH, Greets from Essen.

Dennis Wegner
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May 10 05:53:39 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:53:39 +0100
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <53f0709b0605090754o14dd8523qd78537c1afb1bed2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
	<4460A52C.7080107@whoisjake.com>
	<0213D843-E741-4F46-8C7C-7E1ACE7B5D70@gmail.com>
	<53f0709b0605090754o14dd8523qd78537c1afb1bed2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C484EC2-9F81-400E-8EDA-06342E652DDC@gmail.com>

On 9 May 2006, at 15:54, Koen Van der Auwera wrote:

> I also don't allow non ajax comments and for the comments that works
> fine, but occasionally I do get  trackback spam.
>
> The other day I had to remove 190+ trackbacks from one post. - which
> reminds me: some sort of  "delete-all" button (for comments or
> trackbacks) in the admin panel would be nice :)

Trackbacks are an issue.  Personally I don't see the use for them and  
think it's dead as a function - no matter what the blog engine.   
There are enough blog search services to keep an eye on what people  
are saying about your site and if people want to get some link lurve  
then commenting is available.  For spammers it's a great service  
which is why I have trackbacks disabled as a matter of course.

You have reminded me that it does need to be easier to navigate  
articles and comments.  If you get a notification of a comment it's  
actually quite difficult to get to the comment in admin as you are  
informed of the permalink (site/day/month/year/this-is-a-comment) and  
not the admin comment link - which would be admin/article/ 
1234comments.  A few times I've had to search the database for the  
corresponding article number so I can manually enter the admin url to  
nuke the comment.  You can of course nuke it directly from the site  
if you're logged in as admin - but sometimes I might just want to  
edit the comment (trolls or whatever) or gather the IP information  
for it.

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May 10 05:55:37 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:55:37 +0100
Subject: [typo] Using the blacklist in admin
In-Reply-To: <CD1112C3-3737-496F-B8FF-7167838A11F2@hasmanythrough.com>
References: <0A3D0EF2-2E77-4CA3-B414-825203CDBF65@gmail.com>
	<CD1112C3-3737-496F-B8FF-7167838A11F2@hasmanythrough.com>
Message-ID: <68D1B137-88D4-418D-85FB-B53153D83402@gmail.com>

On 10 May 2006, at 06:56, Josh Susser wrote:

> The annoying limit on blacklists is that they only match against the
> body of the comment, not the url or email address.  I get a lot of
> blog spam that is using the url to generate some blog mana by linking
> off mine.  Would be great if the blacklist worked on the url field
> too.  Yes, it's an easy patch to make (I think) but I'm not running
> trunk yet so I'm not set up to do it myself just now.

Spam protection does check against the domain on blacklists.  But I'm  
seeing that in trunk.

Gary

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Wed May 10 07:10:41 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:41 +0100
Subject: [typo] Interface Question
Message-ID: <m1bqu6f83y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

So, I'm just tidying up the publication semantics by adding a
published_at field to Content, and adding a Trigger class, which fires
off events at specified times in the future (or as soon after the
specified time as possible). 

The workings are slightly ugly at the moment, but the upshot of this
is that articles.published is only true for articles which are both
marked as published and have a 'published_at' time in the
past. Pending articles are have a future published_at attribute, a
false 'published' flag and an entry in the triggers table set to fire
on the first request after the published_at time.

The idea is that notification, remote pings and cache invalidation all
get pulled out of Content and into appropriate observers (Notifier,
Pinger and the current CacheSweeper spring to mind as decent names),
which only fire at the point when an article is *actually* published
(using a 'just_published?' flag). Which means we also get to DRY up
the various places which trigger notifications/pings (they're
currently triggered in Admin::ContentController and various of
webservice implementations, and they sometimes trigger at the wrong
time). 

So, with that in mind, I'm canvassing opinions on what people expect
from /admin/content...

If you post an article and don't mark it as published, but *do* set a
'Publish At' time, do you expect it to get published at the requested
time? I'm assuming 'yes' for the time being.

NB: For the "Can't we just have a stable release?" crowd. The stable
release is currently blocked on Scott's work on making Typo
installation rather more friendly and is independent of the work I'm
doing on publishing semantics. The publication semantics work is
because, at present, the notification/remote ping system is broken in
the face of future publication times -- notifications get sent before
the article is visible on the blog, which is flat wrong. It's also to
do with code quality; by adding various observers we can get rid of a
fair amount of code duplication and 'structural' code[1]

1. Structural code is code which treats an object as a data
   structure -- never a good sign.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Wed May 10 07:29:46 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:29:46 +0100
Subject: [typo] Interface Question
In-Reply-To: <m1bqu6f83y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1bqu6f83y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <AE4F10FA-9E22-4F47-96A5-72C05526AB8C@gmail.com>


On 10 May 2006, at 12:10, Piers Cawley wrote:

> If you post an article and don't mark it as published, but *do* set a
> 'Publish At' time, do you expect it to get published at the requested
> time? I'm assuming 'yes' for the time being.

I use an external blog program so I'd never have a use for this.  I  
save drafts in Ecto.  I can't understand why people would want to  
queue up a load of posts.  Going on holiday?  Then have a break until  
you get back ;)  But if somebody wanted it I guess it would be 'yes'  
as well.

I do really see where you're going with trying to be as DRY as  
possible though ... very good.

> NB: For the "Can't we just have a stable release?" crowd. The stable
> release is currently blocked on Scott's work on making Typo
> installation rather more friendly and is independent of the work I'm
> doing on publishing semantics. The publication semantics work is
> because, at present, the notification/remote ping system is broken in
> the face of future publication times -- notifications get sent before
> the article is visible on the blog, which is flat wrong. It's also to
> do with code quality; by adding various observers we can get rid of a
> fair amount of code duplication and 'structural' code[1]

I see Scott's feed getting completely republished every so often so I  
guess that's to do with his testing :)  Typo r1041 is pretty stable  
for trunk though.  I'm managing to use it.

I know exactly what you mean about notifications being broken.  If  
Typo runs into a rails error when I'm posting (normally something to  
do with text filters) then I still get the notification that there is  
a new post even though the published flag isn't set ... it's like  
that flag is the very last thing set.  So it would be very nice to  
see notifications working properly.

Gary

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Wed May 10 07:59:58 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:59:58 +0100
Subject: [typo] Interface Question
In-Reply-To: <AE4F10FA-9E22-4F47-96A5-72C05526AB8C@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Wed, 10 May 2006 12:29:46 +0100")
References: <m1bqu6f83y.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<AE4F10FA-9E22-4F47-96A5-72C05526AB8C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m17j4uf5tt.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:
> I know exactly what you mean about notifications being broken.  If  
> Typo runs into a rails error when I'm posting (normally something to  
> do with text filters) then I still get the notification that there is  
> a new post even though the published flag isn't set ... it's like  
> that flag is the very last thing set.  So it would be very nice to  
> see notifications working properly.

The plan is that notifications only get sent *after* an article has
been published and successfully saved to the database. The idea being
that it's better to publish successfully and not send the
notifications than it is to notify but not to publish.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From meta at pobox.com  Wed May 10 22:43:12 2006
From: meta at pobox.com (mathew)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:43:12 -0500
Subject: [typo] Typo writing to stdout/stderr?
Message-ID: <4462A4C0.8020800@pobox.com>

I just got this dumped to my console, presumably because I happened to 
be logged in while a comment spammer was attempting to ply his trade:

#<ActiveRecord::Errors:0xb788b0e0 @errors={"blog_id"=>["can't be 
blank"], "article_id"=>["points to an item that is no longer available 
for interaction"]}, @base=#<Comment:0xb788f014 
@attributes={"allow_pings"=>nil, "name"=>nil, "permalink"=>nil, 
"blog_name"=>nil, "updated_at"=>nil, "body_html"=>nil, 
"blog"=>#<Blog:0xb7884024 @attributes={"id"=>"1",
[...]
"use_gravatar"=>false, "limit_article_display"=>10, 
"text_filter"=>"smartypants"}}>, "guid"=>nil, "body"=>"I use Firefox in 
Ubuntu...", "title"=>nil, "published"=>true, 
"url"=>"http://zombiebase.50webs.org/", "author"=>"Consumer Computer 
Desktops Reviews", "type"=>"Comment", "text_filter_id"=>nil, 
"excerpt"=>nil, "blog_id"=>nil, "trackbacks_count"=>nil, 
"extended_html"=>nil, "ip"=>nil, "whiteboard"=>nil, "extended"=>nil, 
"comments_count"=>nil, "article_id"=>1632, "user_id"=>nil, 
"allow_comments"=>nil, "email"=>"91896a at f3cce1.com", "created_at"=>nil, 
"keywords"=>nil}, @user=nil, @new_record=true, 
@errors=#<ActiveRecord::Errors:0xb788b0e0 ...>, @observer_state=false,
[...]

What I'm wondering is, why did this go to stdout or stderr, and not to 
the log?

I've been having my site wedge with a Rails application error from time 
to time, I'm now wondering if it's wedging because typo is attempting to 
write to stdout/stderr?


mathew

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Thu May 11 06:12:29 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:12:29 +0100
Subject: [typo] Added a :default_server_url setting to blog
Message-ID: <m1vesceupe.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

For those of you living on the edge, after you update to revision
1046, please go to your general settings page and make sure that 
it makes a good guess at your canonical server url and either accept
or correct it and hit save (whether you corrected it or not).

This is a new fallback setting for the Blog. I don't believe it
affects any production stuff yet, but there are some tests that
fail without this setting being available on the blog (the fixture
sets something appropriately). However, in the long run, I expect that
this setting will get used more often (in fact, I can see it, or
something like it, getting promoted to a proper column on the 'blogs'
table for use by the dispatcher in a multi blog environment.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Thu May 11 09:44:33 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:44:33 +1000
Subject: [typo] Added a :default_server_url setting to blog
In-Reply-To: <m1vesceupe.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1vesceupe.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <200605112344.35971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>

On Thursday 11 May 2006 20:12, Piers Cawley wrote:
> For those of you living on the edge, after you update to revision
> 1046, please go to your general settings page and make sure that
> it makes a good guess at your canonical server url and either accept
> or correct it and hit save (whether you corrected it or not).
>
> This is a new fallback setting for the Blog. I don't believe it
> affects any production stuff yet, but there are some tests that
> fail without this setting being available on the blog (the fixture
> sets something appropriately). However, in the long run, I expect that
> this setting will get used more often (in fact, I can see it, or
> something like it, getting promoted to a proper column on the 'blogs'
> table for use by the dispatcher in a multi blog environment.

Out of curiosity, how does this affect those of us who access the same blog 
through both normal HTTP (for all public stuff) and HTTPS (for all admin 
pages)?

TX

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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Thu May 11 11:04:28 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:04:28 +0100
Subject: [typo] Added a :default_server_url setting to blog
In-Reply-To: <200605112344.35971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	(trejkaz@trypticon.org's message of "Thu, 11 May 2006 23:44:33 +1000")
References: <m1vesceupe.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<200605112344.35971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
Message-ID: <m1psikeh6r.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Trejkaz <trejkaz at trypticon.org> writes:

> On Thursday 11 May 2006 20:12, Piers Cawley wrote:
>> For those of you living on the edge, after you update to revision
>> 1046, please go to your general settings page and make sure that
>> it makes a good guess at your canonical server url and either accept
>> or correct it and hit save (whether you corrected it or not).
>>
>> This is a new fallback setting for the Blog. I don't believe it
>> affects any production stuff yet, but there are some tests that
>> fail without this setting being available on the blog (the fixture
>> sets something appropriately). However, in the long run, I expect that
>> this setting will get used more often (in fact, I can see it, or
>> something like it, getting promoted to a proper column on the 'blogs'
>> table for use by the dispatcher in a multi blog environment.
>
> Out of curiosity, how does this affect those of us who access the same blog 
> through both normal HTTP (for all public stuff) and HTTPS (for all admin 
> pages)?

Err... I think in the long run, the setting will end up being
'canonical_server'. Until then, about the only thing you'll need to do
is change 'https' in the suggested canonical server url to 'http'

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From kdobson at gmail.com  Thu May 11 13:47:02 2006
From: kdobson at gmail.com (Kester Dobson)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:47:02 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
Message-ID: <6f62d3970605111047i5c68c2ax34951a4e42c19738@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm not currently a user of Typo, though plan to be in the near future!

I was a little disgruntled to find my host didn't have SVN support
when I wanted to try Typo Current - so I put together a small
automated process to publish compressed archives of the Typo Current
trunk at around midnight CET. Hopefully this might be helpful for
people without access to SVN, but would still like to try the newest
versions.

I would appreciate if someone could quickly skim over the files in the
archive http://justkez.com/typo/typo_11-05-2006.tar.bz2 and let me
know if things look okay!

The archive of nightlies is (when there's more than 1!) available from
http://justkez.com/typo/

Kind Regards,
Kester


From terry.donaghe at gmail.com  Thu May 11 14:01:44 2006
From: terry.donaghe at gmail.com (Terry Donaghe)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:01:44 -0700
Subject: [typo] Error in getting things set up
Message-ID: <b68ab910605111101q55eef36ere959f2ce83fef19e@mail.gmail.com>

I get the following error when trying to get my typo blog up and running:

Mysql::Error: Table 'rubynoob.triggers' doesn't exist: SELECT * FROM
triggers WHERE (due_at <= '2006-05-11 18:57:12')

I looked in the schema.sqlserver.sql file and there's no create for a
triggers table.

Any ideas what I'm missing?


Thanks!

-- 
Terry (TAD) Donaghe
http://www.tadspot.com
http://www.rubynoob.com
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From phil at cryer.us  Thu May 11 15:22:30 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:22:30 -0500
Subject: [typo] =?utf-8?q?Does_memcached_speed_up_Typo=3F?=
Message-ID: <ef88c6cc874816554012ef86b8fd7b84@pepe.cryer.us>

I've installed memcached and configured Typo to use it via the ROR wiki.  While I can't be sure, I think it helps, but have no way to prove it.  Is it known to help/work, or how could I benchmark it against the db store?  I realize I don't have a huge site, but want to see if this makes any difference, speed wise, then I'll likely migrate it for other webapps to use.

Thanks

P
-- 
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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Thu May 11 16:16:30 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:16:30 +0100
Subject: [typo] Error in getting things set up
In-Reply-To: <b68ab910605111101q55eef36ere959f2ce83fef19e@mail.gmail.com>
	(Terry Donaghe's message of "Thu, 11 May 2006 11:01:44 -0700")
References: <b68ab910605111101q55eef36ere959f2ce83fef19e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1d5eke2qp.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

"Terry Donaghe" <terry.donaghe at gmail.com> writes:

> I get the following error when trying to get my typo blog up and running:
>
> Mysql::Error: Table 'rubynoob.triggers' doesn't exist: SELECT * FROM
> triggers WHERE (due_at <= '2006-05-11 18:57:12')
>
> I looked in the schema.sqlserver.sql file and there's no create for a
> triggers table.
>
> Any ideas what I'm missing?

I tend to be a little lackadaisical about generating the schema files
between releases. Generally it's a good idea to run 'rake migrate' and
possibly 'rake migrate RAILS_ENV=production' whenever you see anything
new appearing in db/migrate

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Fri May 12 05:31:21 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:31:21 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <6f62d3970605111047i5c68c2ax34951a4e42c19738@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605111047i5c68c2ax34951a4e42c19738@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <141C8C3D-2B95-46D6-A74E-D2254EDEE798@gmail.com>

On 11 May 2006, at 18:47, Kester Dobson wrote:

> I was a little disgruntled to find my host didn't have SVN support
> when I wanted to try Typo Current - so I put together a small
> automated process to publish compressed archives of the Typo Current
> trunk at around midnight CET. Hopefully this might be helpful for
> people without access to SVN, but would still like to try the newest
> versions.
>
> I would appreciate if someone could quickly skim over the files in the
> archive http://justkez.com/typo/typo_11-05-2006.tar.bz2 and let me
> know if things look okay!
>
> The archive of nightlies is (when there's more than 1!) available from
> http://justkez.com/typo/

I don't get it.

If somebody is on a host that doesn't support subversion, then all  
they have to do is get a svn client for whatever platform they're  
using (svnx for os x for example).  Download trunk (versioned or not)  
to their local machine, and then upload it to their host via FTP.   
There's not really a need for an automated script.

From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 10:46:20 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 9:46:20 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
Message-ID: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>


Is anyone else getting more comment spam lately?  It seems that in the past week I'll get 10+ nightly, so I'll turn off comments (0) but then turn them back on in a few days, since I write HOWTOs and I want to help folks that have questions with them.  When I turn them back on I"ll get another 10+ that night.  I've turned it back to 7 and then 14 without any comment spam, so today I'm going to try 21, but still, this kills my old HOWTO threads where folks still have questions.

I'm just wondering if this is part of a scripted attach or what...haven't have this issue until just recently.

Thanks

P
-- 
http://fak3r.com - you dont have to kick it


From josh at hasmanythrough.com  Fri May 12 11:17:40 2006
From: josh at hasmanythrough.com (Josh Susser)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:17:40 -0700
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <8CA3B8AC-5946-421B-97C0-E434B18D7970@hasmanythrough.com>

On May 12, 2006, at 7:46 AM, phil wrote:
> Is anyone else getting more comment spam lately?  It seems that in  
> the past week I'll get 10+ nightly, so I'll turn off comments (0)  
> but then turn them back on in a few days, since I write HOWTOs and  
> I want to help folks that have questions with them.  When I turn  
> them back on I"ll get another 10+ that night.  I've turned it back  
> to 7 and then 14 without any comment spam, so today I'm going to  
> try 21, but still, this kills my old HOWTO threads where folks  
> still have questions.
>
> I'm just wondering if this is part of a scripted attach or  
> what...haven't have this issue until just recently.

Try restricting comments to AJAX only.  That worked for me.

--
Josh Susser
http://blog.hasmanythrough.com



From jake at whoisjake.com  Fri May 12 11:19:50 2006
From: jake at whoisjake.com (Jake Good)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:19:50 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>

Do you have Non-Ajax comments turned on? Try turning them off... it 
helps me plenty. Also, try turning off trackbacks as well...

phil wrote:
> Is anyone else getting more comment spam lately?  It seems that in the past week I'll get 10+ nightly, so I'll turn off comments (0) but then turn them back on in a few days, since I write HOWTOs and I want to help folks that have questions with them.  When I turn them back on I"ll get another 10+ that night.  I've turned it back to 7 and then 14 without any comment spam, so today I'm going to try 21, but still, this kills my old HOWTO threads where folks still have questions.
>
> I'm just wondering if this is part of a scripted attach or what...haven't have this issue until just recently.
>
> Thanks
>
> P
>   

From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Fri May 12 11:33:59 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:33:59 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>

Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post spam to Typo
even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several hits from it.  Seems to
target articles older than 40 days from what I have seen so far.  Lame yes?

On 5/12/06, Jake Good <jake at whoisjake.com> wrote:
>
> Do you have Non-Ajax comments turned on? Try turning them off... it
> helps me plenty. Also, try turning off trackbacks as well...
>
> phil wrote:
> > Is anyone else getting more comment spam lately?  It seems that in the
> past week I'll get 10+ nightly, so I'll turn off comments (0) but then turn
> them back on in a few days, since I write HOWTOs and I want to help folks
> that have questions with them.  When I turn them back on I"ll get another
> 10+ that night.  I've turned it back to 7 and then 14 without any comment
> spam, so today I'm going to try 21, but still, this kills my old HOWTO
> threads where folks still have questions.
> >
> > I'm just wondering if this is part of a scripted attach or
> what...haven't have this issue until just recently.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > P
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
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From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 13:08:08 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:08:08 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424a9121ae84c4334c6ad766873f28e6@pepe.cryer.us>



On Fri, 12 May 2006 10:33:59 -0500, "Steve Longdo" <steve.longdo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post spam to
> Typo
> even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several hits from it.  Seems
> to
> target articles older than 40 days from what I have seen so far.  Lame
> yes?

Absolutely -- back in Drupal I used BadBehavior [http://www.homelandstupidity.us/software/bad-behavior/installing-and-using-bad-behavior/] to stop this kind of junk.  It's PHP so I have no idea how hard it'd be to bring into Typo.

P

> 
> On 5/12/06, Jake Good <jake at whoisjake.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have Non-Ajax comments turned on? Try turning them off... it
>> helps me plenty. Also, try turning off trackbacks as well...
>>
>> phil wrote:
>> > Is anyone else getting more comment spam lately?  It seems that in the
>> past week I'll get 10+ nightly, so I'll turn off comments (0) but then
> turn
>> them back on in a few days, since I write HOWTOs and I want to help
> folks
>> that have questions with them.  When I turn them back on I"ll get
> another
>> 10+ that night.  I've turned it back to 7 and then 14 without any
> comment
>> spam, so today I'm going to try 21, but still, this kills my old HOWTO
>> threads where folks still have questions.
>> >
>> > I'm just wondering if this is part of a scripted attach or
>> what...haven't have this issue until just recently.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Typo-list mailing list
>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>
> 
> 
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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Fri May 12 13:38:50 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:38:50 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	(Steve Longdo's message of "Fri, 12 May 2006 10:33:59 -0500")
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m11wuzdtxx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

"Steve Longdo" <steve.longdo at gmail.com> writes:

> Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post spam
> to Typo even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several hits
> from it.  Seems to target articles older than 40 days from what I
> have seen so far.  Lame yes?

I suppose it was inevitable that someone would work out how to get
round AJAX only comments. 

I can't remember the story number on the trac, but it looks like we
need to work on tweaking comment publication strategies and get an
approval queue working on the admin interface. Also, there's probably
a case for making 'nuke comment' throw up a followup form suggesting
possible blacklist entries.

In the case where none AJAX comments are enabled, there's probably
something to be said for harvesting possible blacklist entries from
failed comments.

Does anyone know if any work's been done on Bayesian comment spam
stopping? 

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 14:22:34 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:22:34 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <m11wuzdtxx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m11wuzdtxx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <44792a70c8b8f49cdc2628b700d4760e@pepe.cryer.us>



On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:38:50 +0100, Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> wrote:
> "Steve Longdo" <steve.longdo at gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post spam
>> to Typo even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several hits
>> from it.  Seems to target articles older than 40 days from what I
>> have seen so far.  Lame yes?
> 
> I suppose it was inevitable that someone would work out how to get
> round AJAX only comments.
> 
> I can't remember the story number on the trac, but it looks like we
> need to work on tweaking comment publication strategies and get an
> approval queue working on the admin interface. Also, there's probably
> a case for making 'nuke comment' throw up a followup form suggesting
> possible blacklist entries.
> 
> In the case where none AJAX comments are enabled, there's probably
> something to be said for harvesting possible blacklist entries from
> failed comments.


This is something I don't fully understand, If I have it checked, it will 'Allow non-ajax comments' -- but what does this mean?  If it's checked or unchecked the comment still 'slides' up -- is that what is meant by AJAX comments?

Sorry if this is obvious, I just can't get my head around it ;0(

P


> 
> Does anyone know if any work's been done on Bayesian comment spam
> stopping?
> 
> --
> Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
> http://www.bofh.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Fri May 12 14:35:19 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:35:19 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>

On 12 May 2006, at 16:33, Steve Longdo wrote:

> Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post  
> spam to Typo even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several  
> hits from it.  Seems to target articles older than 40 days from  
> what I have seen so far.  Lame yes?

Are you sure you're not allowing non-ajax comments?  What version of  
Typo are you using? How many hits are you talking about? It's quite  
feasible that some of these are entered manually (one fella does  
that).  That's nothing too much to worry about because it's just not  
feasible for large scale spamming and you can block it via the  
blacklist or htaccess far more quickly than it takes him to spam  
you.  I get a minimum of 300 hits a day from a spamming group, but  
not all of those hits are comment attempts.  Can you track the  
spammer back through the server logs to see if it is automated (which  
I doubt)?  Could you forward me details (IP's and UA's)?

It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically  
submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the  
economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be  
worth it.  If anybody did that I'd say "Clver programmer ... stupid  
spammer".

Moderation and easy article/comment navigation would be a good thing  
to look at.

Cheers

Gary

From jon.borgthorsson at gmail.com  Fri May 12 14:41:37 2006
From: jon.borgthorsson at gmail.com (Jon Gretar Borgthorsson)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:41:37 +0000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbb6450e0605121141o9ce1f50r275b276f059ff79@mail.gmail.com>

I have actually been getting some trackback spam. A lot more difficult
to handle since it's using the xml-rpc backend.

On 5/12/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 May 2006, at 16:33, Steve Longdo wrote:
>
> > Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post
> > spam to Typo even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several
> > hits from it.  Seems to target articles older than 40 days from
> > what I have seen so far.  Lame yes?
>
> Are you sure you're not allowing non-ajax comments?  What version of
> Typo are you using? How many hits are you talking about? It's quite
> feasible that some of these are entered manually (one fella does
> that).  That's nothing too much to worry about because it's just not
> feasible for large scale spamming and you can block it via the
> blacklist or htaccess far more quickly than it takes him to spam
> you.  I get a minimum of 300 hits a day from a spamming group, but
> not all of those hits are comment attempts.  Can you track the
> spammer back through the server logs to see if it is automated (which
> I doubt)?  Could you forward me details (IP's and UA's)?
>
> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
> worth it.  If anybody did that I'd say "Clver programmer ... stupid
> spammer".
>
> Moderation and easy article/comment navigation would be a good thing
> to look at.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>


-- 
--------------
Jon Gretar Borgthorsson
http://www.jongretar.net/


From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Fri May 12 14:55:03 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:55:03 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <44792a70c8b8f49cdc2628b700d4760e@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <m11wuzdtxx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<44792a70c8b8f49cdc2628b700d4760e@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <B81933E8-9850-4C2B-A047-696AAB4525F9@gmail.com>


On 12 May 2006, at 19:22, phil wrote:
>
> This is something I don't fully understand, If I have it checked,  
> it will 'Allow non-ajax comments' -- but what does this mean?  If  
> it's checked or unchecked the comment still 'slides' up -- is that  
> what is meant by AJAX comments?
>
> Sorry if this is obvious, I just can't get my head around it ;0(
>

It's actually quite tricky to explain.  I've tried to write this a  
couple of times, maybe somebody will get in with a good explanation  
before I post this.

Ajax commenting is the slide.  If you are using a browser with  
javascript support then you'll see the slide always.  It doesn't  
matter if you have the box checked or not.

If I access my site from my PocketPC or with javascript disabled on  
my browser then I won't see that slide.  If I allow non ajax  
commenting then I can still comment.

If I tried to submit a comment to a site from my PPC or from a  
browser that has javascript disabled to a site which has disabled non- 
ajax commenting then I couldn't.  I'd get an error and the comment  
wouldn't be submitted.

Spammers don't use browsers.  They use applications that target the  
post and comment 'form' directly.  They don't bother with javascripts  
and CSS styling because that is a waste of resources and would slow a  
spam run down ... they don't need that info to spam.  So when they  
try to submit a comment to a Typo site that has non ajax commenting  
disabled it's the same as if they were trying to submit a comment  
from a PPC or a browser with javascript disabled ... they can't.

Does that make sense?

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Fri May 12 15:00:25 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:00:25 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <dbb6450e0605121141o9ce1f50r275b276f059ff79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
	<dbb6450e0605121141o9ce1f50r275b276f059ff79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DA409E0-D6B2-44A9-9CD1-6D85F048783D@gmail.com>


On 12 May 2006, at 19:41, Jon Gretar Borgthorsson wrote:

> I have actually been getting some trackback spam. A lot more difficult
> to handle since it's using the xml-rpc backend.

In my opinion trackbacks are only useful to spammers.  You have  
engines like Technorati to look at whats being said about a site and  
if you really want to comment on a post somebody has written ...  
leave a comment.  For their usefulness compared to the hassle of  
trackback spam it's just not worth it in my book.

Disabled on every post.

From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Fri May 12 15:06:11 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:06:11 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605121206v77de2198pdaea7901a7cbff1a@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. r1022. Not many, but not sure I usually truncate my logs to under 1
meg.  My site is not getting a lot of traffic, it is entirely possible that
it is manually entered spam.  I am curious why someone would manually target
me though?  The email addresses appear to be machine generated though.
There was another post on this list recently (matthew?) getting hit by the
same 50webs guy.  He posted an example of the logging output.

Comment/Trackback moderation would be good.  After Piers finishes up
changing the publishing stuff for articles it shouldn't be too hard to add.
I don't have enough of a problem with real comments yet to worry about it
though :-(

On 5/12/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12 May 2006, at 16:33, Steve Longdo wrote:
>
> > Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post
> > spam to Typo even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several
> > hits from it.  Seems to target articles older than 40 days from
> > what I have seen so far.  Lame yes?
>
> Are you sure you're not allowing non-ajax comments?  What version of
> Typo are you using? How many hits are you talking about? It's quite
> feasible that some of these are entered manually (one fella does
> that).  That's nothing too much to worry about because it's just not
> feasible for large scale spamming and you can block it via the
> blacklist or htaccess far more quickly than it takes him to spam
> you.  I get a minimum of 300 hits a day from a spamming group, but
> not all of those hits are comment attempts.  Can you track the
> spammer back through the server logs to see if it is automated (which
> I doubt)?  Could you forward me details (IP's and UA's)?
>
> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
> worth it.  If anybody did that I'd say "Clver programmer ... stupid
> spammer".
>
> Moderation and easy article/comment navigation would be a good thing
> to look at.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 16:14:05 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (Phil Cryer)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:14:05 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <B81933E8-9850-4C2B-A047-696AAB4525F9@gmail.com>
References: <B81933E8-9850-4C2B-A047-696AAB4525F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c2fcbc838e1aacfab7e7d52208f2d66@pepe.cryer.us>

That makes allot more sense - so to be more defensive I would 'uncheck' that option, which should stop any automated spam/posts.  I'll try that, and if I get more spams then I can assume it's someone doing it manually and not automated.  If I don't get any I'll 'recheck' it, wait for some spam and grep out the IP/UA details to see if we can get a read on how they're running the automator.

Thanks for explaining!

P

On Fri, 12 May 2006 19:55:03 +0100, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 12 May 2006, at 19:22, phil wrote:
>>
>> This is something I don't fully understand, If I have it checked,
>> it will 'Allow non-ajax comments' -- but what does this mean?  If
>> it's checked or unchecked the comment still 'slides' up -- is that
>> what is meant by AJAX comments?
>>
>> Sorry if this is obvious, I just can't get my head around it ;0(
>>
> 
> It's actually quite tricky to explain.  I've tried to write this a
> couple of times, maybe somebody will get in with a good explanation
> before I post this.
> 
> Ajax commenting is the slide.  If you are using a browser with
> javascript support then you'll see the slide always.  It doesn't
> matter if you have the box checked or not.
> 
> If I access my site from my PocketPC or with javascript disabled on
> my browser then I won't see that slide.  If I allow non ajax
> commenting then I can still comment.
> 
> If I tried to submit a comment to a site from my PPC or from a
> browser that has javascript disabled to a site which has disabled no


From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 16:15:18 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:15:18 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605121206v77de2198pdaea7901a7cbff1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cc4e85f30605121206v77de2198pdaea7901a7cbff1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <368bc8b18e77ba5060f7fb7a37824f82@pepe.cryer.us>



On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:06:11 -0500, "Steve Longdo" <steve.longdo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. r1022. Not many, but not sure I usually truncate my logs to under 1
> meg.  My site is not getting a lot of traffic, it is entirely possible
> that
> it is manually entered spam.  I am curious why someone would manually
> target
> me though?  The email addresses appear to be machine generated though.
> There was another post on this list recently (matthew?) getting hit by the
> same 50webs guy.  He posted an example of the logging output.

What would I grep for in the logs/production.log file to pull out comments and their details?

P

> 
> Comment/Trackback moderation would be good.  After Piers finishes up
> changing the publishing stuff for articles it shouldn't be too hard to
> add.
> I don't have enough of a problem with real comments yet to worry about it
> though :-(
> 
> On 5/12/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12 May 2006, at 16:33, Steve Longdo wrote:
>>
>> > Whoever uses spams from the *.50webs.com domain is able to post
>> > spam to Typo even with AJAX comments enabled.  I have had several
>> > hits from it.  Seems to target articles older than 40 days from
>> > what I have seen so far.  Lame yes?
>>
>> Are you sure you're not allowing non-ajax comments?  What version of
>> Typo are you using? How many hits are you talking about? It's quite
>> feasible that some of these are entered manually (one fella does
>> that).  That's nothing too much to worry about because it's just not
>> feasible for large scale spamming and you can block it via the
>> blacklist or htaccess far more quickly than it takes him to spam
>> you.  I get a minimum of 300 hits a day from a spamming group, but
>> not all of those hits are comment attempts.  Can you track the
>> spammer back through the server logs to see if it is automated (which
>> I doubt)?  Could you forward me details (IP's and UA's)?
>>
>> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
>> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
>> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
>> worth it.  If anybody did that I'd say "Clver programmer ... stupid
>> spammer".
>>
>> Moderation and easy article/comment navigation would be a good thing
>> to look at.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Gary
>> _______________________________________________
>> Typo-list mailing list
>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>
> 
> 
-- 
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From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 16:54:14 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:54:14 -0500
Subject: [typo] Using Memcached
Message-ID: <3fcb1316ff0320ece10781a225859131@pepe.cryer.us>

I wrote a fairly complete HOWTO on installing memcached and getting it working with Ruby-on-Rails apps in FreeBSD, and thus Typo:
http://fak3r.com/articles/2006/05/11/speed-up-ruby-on-rails-with-memcached

Then today I read that I could get more speed using a new Ruby memcached client:

"A few days ago Eric Hodel announced the availability of a new pure Ruby memcached client implementation (memcache-client-1.0.3) with performance improvements over the older Ruby-Memcache-0.4 implementation." 
http://railsexpress.de/blog/articles/2006/01/24/using-memcached-for-ruby-on-rails-session-storage

I uninstalled Ruby-Memcache-0.4 and installed memcache-client-1.0.3 (both from ports in FreeBSD btw) and got it to work.  Still hadn't done any sort of benchmarking tests, but hey, it's working.  Problem is, with this newer Ruby memcached client I can't go in to the admin section; so if I try to 'edit' something or even place a new comment I get the following error:


    Application error (Apache)

    Change this error message for exceptions thrown outside of an action (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) in public/500.html


This is the first time I've seen 'Application error (Apache)' it always says (Rails) every other time.  So my question, how do I find out what's bombing, and where?  The older implementation works fine, you can admin, make comments, etc, it's just the newer one that doesn't work, and it leaves the Apache error.

Any insight is appreciated, I'm getting much more comfortable in ROR and enjoy learning more and more how it can be scaled.

P
-- 
http://fak3r.com - you dont have to kick it


From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Fri May 12 21:16:41 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:16:41 +1000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605131116.44240.trejkaz@trypticon.org>

On Saturday 13 May 2006 04:35, Gary Shewan wrote:
> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
> worth it.

Aren't all Typo sites basically the same though?  It's not like you have to 
write the code differently for each individual site, and it's not like Typo 
is a marginal weblog system anymore.  If anything, its user base gives a 
spammer a targeted audience, if they wanted to spam about things related to 
Ruby. ;-)

TX

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From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 12 22:22:00 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:22:00 -0500
Subject: [typo] Using Memcached
In-Reply-To: <3fcb1316ff0320ece10781a225859131@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <3fcb1316ff0320ece10781a225859131@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <117f2e47ebcb8c8b1bb30b6aa9b7f98c@pepe.cryer.us>

Ah, and an update on this, I'm building a new server, it only has Lighttpd on it for a webserver, and I just got the same error as below; Application error (Apache).  I really don't think this is Apache's fault, seeing as how it's not installed!

P

On Fri, 12 May 2006 15:54:14 -0500, phil <phil at cryer.us> wrote:
> I wrote a fairly complete HOWTO on installing memcached and getting it
> working with Ruby-on-Rails apps in FreeBSD, and thus Typo:
> http://fak3r.com/articles/2006/05/11/speed-up-ruby-on-rails-with-memcached
> 
> Then today I read that I could get more speed using a new Ruby memcached
> client:
> 
> "A few days ago Eric Hodel announced the availability of a new pure Ruby
> memcached client implementation (memcache-client-1.0.3) with performance
> improvements over the older Ruby-Memcache-0.4 implementation."
> http://railsexpress.de/blog/articles/2006/01/24/using-memcached-for-ruby-on-rails-session-storage
> 
> I uninstalled Ruby-Memcache-0.4 and installed memcache-client-1.0.3 (both
> from ports in FreeBSD btw) and got it to work.  Still hadn't done any sort
> of benchmarking tests, but hey, it's working.  Problem is, with this newer
> Ruby memcached client I can't go in to the admin section; so if I try to
> 'edit' something or even place a new comment I get the following error:
> 
> 
>     Application error (Apache)
> 
>     Change this error message for exceptions thrown outside of an action
> (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) in public/500.html
> 
> 
> This is the first time I've seen 'Application error (Apache)' it always
> says (Rails) every other time.  So my question, how do I find out what's
> bombing, and where?  The older implementation works fine, you can admin,
> make comments, etc, it's just the newer one that doesn't work, and it
> leaves the Apache error.
> 
> Any insight is appreciated, I'm getting much more comfortable in ROR and
> enjoy learning more and more how it can be scaled.
> 
> P
> --
> http://fak3r.com - you dont have to kick it
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From neuro at 7el.net  Sat May 13 01:27:23 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:27:23 +0200
Subject: [typo] typo + gettext
Message-ID: <44656E3B.8090102@7el.net>

Hi list,
I'm new here so I hope it's the good place to write this. mailing lists 
are usually the fastest ay to get answers.

I've been browsing Typo sources lately, and I think I would be able to 
add gettext support ? including French and English .po files ? in a few 
days.

I just wanted to know whether or not you are interested before starting 
to code.

And forgive my poor English.

Cheers
Frederic
-- 
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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May 13 01:54:08 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 06:54:08 +0100
Subject: [typo] Possible project for the interested
Message-ID: <m1r72ycvwf.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

I've been thinking about migrations and about importing blog
data. Part of the problem we have with our current converter scripts
is that they fall out of date and are hard to keep current with our
database schema. Then it occurred to me that we're already doing work
to keep the database schema up to date with our migrations. So, in
order to play nicely, a particular converter script needs target a
particular schema version. That way, one could start with an empty
database and the data from your old blog and do

  $ rake migrate VERSION=`./db/converters/wordpress.rb --schema_version`
  $ ./db/converters/wordpress.rb --db wordpress
  $ rake migrate

Assuming we get all our converters working this way, it shouldn't be
too hard to write a rake task so that could become:

  $ rake import FORMAT=wordpress ARGS='--db wordpress'

Also, it would be helpful if we could redo the converters in, for want
of a better description, 'migration style' using BareMigration type
classes.

If anyone's casting around for Summer of Code ideas, Scott's prepared
to supervise, this looks like it might well fit the bill.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May 13 04:02:07 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:02:07 +0100
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
Message-ID: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

I've just been chatting with sprewell on IRC and it occurred to me
that it might be handy to share my current development priorities for
typo with the wider list.

Immediate goals
---------------

* Finish the work on making article publication use a state object

* Possibly look at making the state object be persistent as a memento
  on the Content object

* Knock off a few more low hanging fruit from the outstanding tickets
  list 

Medium/Long Term
----------------

* Think more about the right set of states and transitions for
  comments and trackbacks (henceforth 'responses'). I'm pretty sure
  that the state machine for response publication isn't and shouldn't
  be the same as the machine for article publication.

* Experiment with having multiple selectable state
  machines/publication policies for responses, so one policy might be
  'open door' where everything gets published, another might throw all
  responses into a 'pending approval' queue, another may publishe all
  ajax comments and throw the rest into the pending approval queue or
  whatever.

* A Bayesian trackback spam stopper

* Make page caching work right. Back in 2.6.0 days, page caching was a
  huge pain in the bum, but by ghod Typo was fast when it was
  working. As I outlined in an earlier post, I think the Trigger
  system will allow us to get the benefits of future publication and
  expiring sidebars alongside the speed boost of page caching, but
  it's not straightforward.

* Document our APIs. I've tended not to do much in the way of
  documentation because I'm far from sure that the APIs are stable
  enough for it not to be wasted effort. However, I'm starting to
  think that the new Sidebar API might stick around for a while and
  could use some documentation. (But I need to write a non-trivial
  sidebar to be sure of that I think...)

* Give the Theming system a long, hard look. I'm inclined to adopt
  something like the Scribbish document structure -- having seen the
  kind of things that can be accomplished with CSS at the CSS Zen
  Garden[1] I want to make sure that our default markup is as friendly
  to that sort of modification as possible. 

  Of course, there will always be a space for the kind of advanced
  themes that need to change the markup, and I want to make life
  easier for those too. I think there's a case for allowing themes to
  have parameters akin to sidebar parameters, but that needs some
  careful interface thought -- it shouldn't be impossible to hang
  theme parameters off the blog's settings though.

* Blog settings need some thought too. If we do go all the way to
  multiblog capability (still open for debate), then we'll need to
  pull some settings out of the settings hash and up into the blogs
  table proper (at the very least we'll need to pull any settings that
  are used by the router to determine which blog a given url maps to
  up to the table so they can be accessed with a simple sql
  query). Also, it seems that the settings hash could benefit from
  being multilevel (one obvious case for this is in the default
  settings for various content objects, currently we have
  'comment_default_allow_pings', 'article_default_allow_pings',
  'article_default_allow_comments' and what have you. Wouldn't it be
  cool if you could do:

     Article.with_scope(:create => this_blog.defaults_for[Article]) do
       ...
     end
 
  Admittedly, it'd be cooler if you didn't have to do that, but could
  simply let this_blog.articles.build(...) handle it for you,
  but... baby steps...

* Textfilters. I really, really, want to rework text filters so
  they're not controllers.

* Er...

* That's probably not all, but it'll do for now. Did I miss anything

1. http://www.csszengarden.com

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From neuro at 7el.net  Sat May 13 05:40:05 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:40:05 +0200
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
In-Reply-To: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4465A975.1040906@7el.net>

Piers Cawley a ?crit :
> I've just been chatting with sprewell on IRC and it occurred to me
> that it might be handy to share my current development priorities for
> typo with the wider list.
> 
> Immediate goals
> ---------------
> 
> * Finish the work on making article publication use a state object
> 
> * Possibly look at making the state object be persistent as a memento
>   on the Content object
> 
> * Knock off a few more low hanging fruit from the outstanding tickets
>   list 
> 
> Medium/Long Term
> ----------------
> 
> * Think more about the right set of states and transitions for
>   comments and trackbacks (henceforth 'responses'). I'm pretty sure
>   that the state machine for response publication isn't and shouldn't
>   be the same as the machine for article publication.
> 
> * Experiment with having multiple selectable state
>   machines/publication policies for responses, so one policy might be
>   'open door' where everything gets published, another might throw all
>   responses into a 'pending approval' queue, another may publishe all
>   ajax comments and throw the rest into the pending approval queue or
>   whatever.
> 
> * A Bayesian trackback spam stopper
> 
> * Make page caching work right. Back in 2.6.0 days, page caching was a
>   huge pain in the bum, but by ghod Typo was fast when it was
>   working. As I outlined in an earlier post, I think the Trigger
>   system will allow us to get the benefits of future publication and
>   expiring sidebars alongside the speed boost of page caching, but
>   it's not straightforward.
> 
> * Document our APIs. I've tended not to do much in the way of
>   documentation because I'm far from sure that the APIs are stable
>   enough for it not to be wasted effort. However, I'm starting to
>   think that the new Sidebar API might stick around for a while and
>   could use some documentation. (But I need to write a non-trivial
>   sidebar to be sure of that I think...)
> 
> * Give the Theming system a long, hard look. I'm inclined to adopt
>   something like the Scribbish document structure -- having seen the
>   kind of things that can be accomplished with CSS at the CSS Zen
>   Garden[1] I want to make sure that our default markup is as friendly
>   to that sort of modification as possible. 
> 
>   Of course, there will always be a space for the kind of advanced
>   themes that need to change the markup, and I want to make life
>   easier for those too. I think there's a case for allowing themes to
>   have parameters akin to sidebar parameters, but that needs some
>   careful interface thought -- it shouldn't be impossible to hang
>   theme parameters off the blog's settings though.
> 
> * Blog settings need some thought too. If we do go all the way to
>   multiblog capability (still open for debate), then we'll need to
>   pull some settings out of the settings hash and up into the blogs
>   table proper (at the very least we'll need to pull any settings that
>   are used by the router to determine which blog a given url maps to
>   up to the table so they can be accessed with a simple sql
>   query). Also, it seems that the settings hash could benefit from
>   being multilevel (one obvious case for this is in the default
>   settings for various content objects, currently we have
>   'comment_default_allow_pings', 'article_default_allow_pings',
>   'article_default_allow_comments' and what have you. Wouldn't it be
>   cool if you could do:
> 
>      Article.with_scope(:create => this_blog.defaults_for[Article]) do
>        ...
>      end
>  
>   Admittedly, it'd be cooler if you didn't have to do that, but could
>   simply let this_blog.articles.build(...) handle it for you,
>   but... baby steps...
> 
> * Textfilters. I really, really, want to rework text filters so
>   they're not controllers.
> 
> * Er...
> 
> * That's probably not all, but it'll do for now. Did I miss anything
> 
> 1. http://www.csszengarden.com
> 

Hi list,

I come from the Wordpress world where I've developped some themes and 
plugins.

For the spam thing, we have a very powerfull engine made of several 
plugins called Spam Karma. The code is pretty neat, and I don't think it 
would be difficult to port it in Ruby.

With all the filters, there is also a centralized blacklist database 
that can be used as well.

Spam Karma code is avaliable at 
http://unknowngenius.com/blog/wordpress/spam-karma/

Regards,
Frederic

-- 
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"Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May 13 07:15:08 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:15:08 +0100
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
In-Reply-To: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk> (Piers Cawley's message of
	"Sat, 13 May 2006 09:02:07 +0100")
References: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <m1bqu2ch1f.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> writes:

> I've just been chatting with sprewell on IRC and it occurred to me
> that it might be handy to share my current development priorities for
> typo with the wider list.

[...]

> Medium/Long Term
> ----------------

[...]

> * Textfilters. I really, really, want to rework text filters so
>   they're not controllers.
>
> * Er...
>
> * That's probably not all, but it'll do for now. Did I miss anything

Yes, it seems I did:

* Admin plugins. Rework the admin interface so it's easy to add a new
  admin tab as a plugin. That way we can experiment with things like
  spam handling/blacklisting or whatever in a way that's (hopefully)
  decoupled from the rest of the administrative interface. It would
  also be good to be able to add actions to existing tabs in a neat
  fashion. Things like the podcasting addons have the potential to
  work rather neatly as a plugin 

* 'Whole body' plugins. Thinking about the possibility of making the
  podcasting addons into an admin plugin, it occurs that really it
  would need to be more than that because there's also user visible
  feeds to worry about. It seems there's a case for at least working
  out a standard directory structure and registration system for
  plugins so that they can integrate themselves with the wider Typo
  system. 

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sat May 13 08:23:52 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:23:52 +1000
Subject: [typo] Weird issue getting even into the console
Message-ID: <82E3B4FE-11CC-41AF-B666-5D0FDAF0ED45@trypticon.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Is there any way this situation can arise?  I'm perplexed.

[52] trejkaz at raven:~/Development/Typo> script/console
Loading development environment.
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.5/lib/active_support/ 
dependencies.rb:200:in `const_missing':NameError: uninitialized  
constant ApplicationController
 >> ApplicationController
NameError: uninitialized constant ApplicationController
         from /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.5/lib/ 
active_support/dependencies.rb:195:in `const_missing'
         from (irb):1

The same thing happens trying to run the tests, migrate, etc.

Any ideas?

TX

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From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sat May 13 08:38:20 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:38:20 +1000
Subject: [typo] Weird issue getting even into the console
In-Reply-To: <82E3B4FE-11CC-41AF-B666-5D0FDAF0ED45@trypticon.org>
References: <82E3B4FE-11CC-41AF-B666-5D0FDAF0ED45@trypticon.org>
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On 13/05/2006, at 22:23 PM, Trejkaz wrote:
> Any ideas?

To answer my own question, it was probably a bug in Active Record,  
which is fixed now.  Now I just wonder why about 90% of my unit tests  
fail.  I haven't modified *that* much from the trunk. :-/

TX

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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sat May 13 09:23:21 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:23:21 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <200605131116.44240.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
	<200605131116.44240.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
Message-ID: <A8D8E238-FC18-4838-AD7D-6911BBBA1715@gmail.com>


On 13 May 2006, at 02:16, Trejkaz wrote:

> On Saturday 13 May 2006 04:35, Gary Shewan wrote:
>> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
>> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
>> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
>> worth it.
>
> Aren't all Typo sites basically the same though?  It's not like you  
> have to
> write the code differently for each individual site, and it's not  
> like Typo
> is a marginal weblog system anymore.  If anything, its user base  
> gives a
> spammer a targeted audience, if they wanted to spam about things  
> related to
> Ruby. ;-)

Most of the spamming applications are targeted at specific blog  
engines.  Look in your logs and no doubt you'd still see people  
trying to spam wp-comments.php.  Every block engine has a different  
vector for commenting.  I'm seeing spam attacks targeted specifically  
at Typo installations because of the URL being called.   What I meant  
is that you could write an application targeted specifically at  
submitting spam comments to Typo blogs that only allow AJAX  
commenting.  But the time taken to submit each comment doesn't make  
it commercially viable for spammers - it's just not worth it.  The  
only pay-off in spamming is it's bulk nature.  You're looking at  
clickthrus because Typo uses 'no follow' as default for links (I'm  
sure) so there isn't really the pagerank payoff and Typo is still a  
minority platform that, arguably, has a technical user base as it's  
majority - people that aren't really going to be fooled by click- 
thrus.  The effort to write that application and use it isn't worth it.

But somebody is obviously looking at spamming Typo sites because it's  
an untapped yet small market.  But at the moment it's more hassle  
than it's worth to work around the spam protection.  That'll change  
though, so it's still worth keeping Typos spam protection updated and  
improved.  You'll always have the bottom feeders in the spamming  
community that'll try to attack Typo ... but that's only because  
they're not very good spammers.

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sat May 13 09:23:23 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:23:23 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <368bc8b18e77ba5060f7fb7a37824f82@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <cc4e85f30605121206v77de2198pdaea7901a7cbff1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<368bc8b18e77ba5060f7fb7a37824f82@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <D05BD0BF-C80D-46C0-87ED-D196DB1B89BF@gmail.com>


On 12 May 2006, at 21:15, phil wrote:

> What would I grep for in the logs/production.log file to pull out  
> comments and their details?

You need to check your servers raw logs as well, but in  
production.log grep for:

"submit"=>"submit"

and

"action"=>"comment"

That's narrow it down for you

Gary

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sat May 13 09:24:59 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:24:59 +0100
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
In-Reply-To: <m1bqu2ch1f.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<m1bqu2ch1f.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <A788B515-E3C5-4D72-9E20-CE2BF19EF7E0@gmail.com>


On 13 May 2006, at 12:15, Piers Cawley wrote:
>
> * Admin plugins. Rework the admin interface so it's easy to add a new
>   admin tab as a plugin. That way we can experiment with things like
>   spam handling/blacklisting or whatever in a way that's (hopefully)
>   decoupled from the rest of the administrative interface. It would
>   also be good to be able to add actions to existing tabs in a neat
>   fashion. Things like the podcasting addons have the potential to
>   work rather neatly as a plugin
>
> * 'Whole body' plugins. Thinking about the possibility of making the
>   podcasting addons into an admin plugin, it occurs that really it
>   would need to be more than that because there's also user visible
>   feeds to worry about. It seems there's a case for at least working
>   out a standard directory structure and registration system for
>   plugins so that they can integrate themselves with the wider Typo
>   system.

Now that's an exciting concept ... you read my mind because I'd just  
asked myself "What about a plugin architecture?"

Gary

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May 13 09:51:20 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:51:20 +0100
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
In-Reply-To: <A788B515-E3C5-4D72-9E20-CE2BF19EF7E0@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Sat, 13 May 2006 14:24:59 +0100")
References: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<m1bqu2ch1f.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<A788B515-E3C5-4D72-9E20-CE2BF19EF7E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m17j4qc9t3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> On 13 May 2006, at 12:15, Piers Cawley wrote:
>>
>> * Admin plugins. Rework the admin interface so it's easy to add a new
>>   admin tab as a plugin. That way we can experiment with things like
>>   spam handling/blacklisting or whatever in a way that's (hopefully)
>>   decoupled from the rest of the administrative interface. It would
>>   also be good to be able to add actions to existing tabs in a neat
>>   fashion. Things like the podcasting addons have the potential to
>>   work rather neatly as a plugin
>>
>> * 'Whole body' plugins. Thinking about the possibility of making the
>>   podcasting addons into an admin plugin, it occurs that really it
>>   would need to be more than that because there's also user visible
>>   feeds to worry about. It seems there's a case for at least working
>>   out a standard directory structure and registration system for
>>   plugins so that they can integrate themselves with the wider Typo
>>   system.
>
> Now that's an exciting concept ... you read my mind because I'd just  
> asked myself "What about a plugin architecture?"

Heh. I've got the idea in my head now. I dunno when I'll do something
about it, but once something is named it's much easier to work on it
unconsciously.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Sat May 13 09:52:38 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:52:38 +0100
Subject: [typo] Weird issue getting even into the console
In-Reply-To: <5D06B2D7-8688-4BEF-A9D0-93004A117CD7@trypticon.org>
	(trejkaz@trypticon.org's message of "Sat, 13 May 2006 22:38:20 +1000")
References: <82E3B4FE-11CC-41AF-B666-5D0FDAF0ED45@trypticon.org>
	<5D06B2D7-8688-4BEF-A9D0-93004A117CD7@trypticon.org>
Message-ID: <m13bfec9qx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Trejkaz <trejkaz at trypticon.org> writes:

> On 13/05/2006, at 22:23 PM, Trejkaz wrote:
>> Any ideas?
>
> To answer my own question, it was probably a bug in Active Record,  
> which is fixed now.  Now I just wonder why about 90% of my unit tests  
> fail.  I haven't modified *that* much from the trunk. :-/

Some pretty big changes in the trunk recently, mostly affecting
content and its subclasses.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sat May 13 10:44:43 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:44:43 +1000
Subject: [typo] Weird issue getting even into the console
In-Reply-To: <m13bfec9qx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <82E3B4FE-11CC-41AF-B666-5D0FDAF0ED45@trypticon.org>
	<5D06B2D7-8688-4BEF-A9D0-93004A117CD7@trypticon.org>
	<m13bfec9qx.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
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On 13/05/2006, at 23:52 PM, Piers Cawley wrote:

> Trejkaz <trejkaz at trypticon.org> writes:
>
>> On 13/05/2006, at 22:23 PM, Trejkaz wrote:
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>> To answer my own question, it was probably a bug in Active Record,
>> which is fixed now.  Now I just wonder why about 90% of my unit tests
>> fail.  I haven't modified *that* much from the trunk. :-/
>
> Some pretty big changes in the trunk recently, mostly affecting
> content and its subclasses.

Turned out to be not having executed "rake db:test:clone".  I suppose  
that in the past, the committers must have run this for us.

I'm back at 100% test success now.

TX

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From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sat May 13 10:47:10 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:47:10 +1000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <A8D8E238-FC18-4838-AD7D-6911BBBA1715@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
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On 13/05/2006, at 23:23 PM, Gary Shewan wrote:
> But somebody is obviously looking at spamming Typo sites because it's
> an untapped yet small market.  But at the moment it's more hassle
> than it's worth to work around the spam protection.

They're definitely targeting us, though, because I was receiving spam  
even when I had non-AJAX comments disabled (although enough to hack  
in a basic CAPTCHA system, "1 + 3 = ?".)

TX

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From m at mongers.org  Sat May 13 13:19:57 2006
From: m at mongers.org (Morten Liebach)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:19:57 +0200
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <A8D8E238-FC18-4838-AD7D-6911BBBA1715@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
	<200605131116.44240.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<A8D8E238-FC18-4838-AD7D-6911BBBA1715@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>

On 2006-05-13 14:23:21 +0100, Gary Shewan wrote:
> 
> On 13 May 2006, at 02:16, Trejkaz wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday 13 May 2006 04:35, Gary Shewan wrote:
> >> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
> >> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
> >> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
> >> worth it.
> >
> > Aren't all Typo sites basically the same though?  It's not like you  
> > have to
> > write the code differently for each individual site, and it's not  
> > like Typo
> > is a marginal weblog system anymore.  If anything, its user base  
> > gives a
> > spammer a targeted audience, if they wanted to spam about things  
> > related to
> > Ruby. ;-)
> 
> Most of the spamming applications are targeted at specific blog  
> engines.  Look in your logs and no doubt you'd still see people  
> trying to spam wp-comments.php. [snipped the rest]

There's an idea.  Everyone hitting wp-comments.php and other tell-tale
pages gets blacklisted automatically.  Would that be feasible?

Have a nice day
                                 Morten

-- 
http://m.mongers.org/weblog/ -- http://flickr.com/photos/morten_liebach/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sat May 13 15:41:37 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:41:37 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
	<200605131116.44240.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<A8D8E238-FC18-4838-AD7D-6911BBBA1715@gmail.com>
	<20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>
Message-ID: <6710A6F5-A064-4C80-B53F-065CC4CA808E@gmail.com>


On 13 May 2006, at 18:19, Morten Liebach wrote:
>
> There's an idea.  Everyone hitting wp-comments.php and other tell-tale
> pages gets blacklisted automatically.  Would that be feasible?

Could be but there'd be no point.  Anybody trying to attack through  
the wp-comments vector is always going to fail so there's no real  
need to blacklist.  Blacklisting should always be a managed affair  
otherwise the rules and contents just get unmanageable.  You'd never  
know anybody was trying to comment spam your Typo site from wp- 
comments unless you look in your logs.  So there's no real reason to  
worry about it.

Gary

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sat May 13 20:59:47 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:59:47 +1000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <6710A6F5-A064-4C80-B53F-065CC4CA808E@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>
	<6710A6F5-A064-4C80-B53F-065CC4CA808E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605141059.49464.trejkaz@trypticon.org>

On Sunday 14 May 2006 05:41, Gary Shewan wrote:
> On 13 May 2006, at 18:19, Morten Liebach wrote:
> > There's an idea.  Everyone hitting wp-comments.php and other tell-tale
> > pages gets blacklisted automatically.  Would that be feasible?
>
> Could be but there'd be no point.  Anybody trying to attack through
> the wp-comments vector is always going to fail so there's no real
> need to blacklist.

Not really.  The spammer will hit multiple URLs until they find the one that 
works for the blog.  If someone hits wp-comments.php, then instantly 
blacklisting them would prevent their comment working later on, when the bot 
does use the correct URL.

Of course, the workaround for the spammer would then be to try Typo first.

TX

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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sun May 14 06:10:24 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:10:24 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <200605141059.49464.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>
	<6710A6F5-A064-4C80-B53F-065CC4CA808E@gmail.com>
	<200605141059.49464.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
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On 14 May 2006, at 01:59, Trejkaz wrote:
>
> Not really.  The spammer will hit multiple URLs until they find the  
> one that
> works for the blog.  If someone hits wp-comments.php, then instantly
> blacklisting them would prevent their comment working later on,  
> when the bot
> does use the correct URL.
>
> Of course, the workaround for the spammer would then be to try Typo  
> first.
>

Utter rubbish, why bother just making an educated guess?  It doesn't  
help anyone.

They do not hit multiple URLs, for most blogs they only need to try  
four.  There's no point anyway because there are enough blog spamming  
apps out there that come pre populated with thousands of blogs and  
the attack vector that's needed for each one.  If they want to gather  
any more they just use spiders.  If somebody needs to update an app  
to include Typo blogs they only need download the source to discover  
the vector needed.

Seriously - don't guess because it just confuses people that don't know.

-1

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sun May 14 06:33:00 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:33:00 +1000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <63644464-E2BD-468E-A9A7-35890390122C@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>
	<6710A6F5-A064-4C80-B53F-065CC4CA808E@gmail.com>
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On 14/05/2006, at 20:10 PM, Gary Shewan wrote:
> If somebody needs to update an app
> to include Typo blogs they only need download the source to discover
> the vector needed.

Look, I didn't say we had a "Cure for Spam".  I just described how  
spamming applications work.  They don't just go "oh look, the site  
isn't WordPress, let's stop trying."

TX

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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sun May 14 07:58:48 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:58:48 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <F0610268-2803-4F9A-A6D8-6F4CEAACC2A1@trypticon.org>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<20060513171957.GB24524@mongers.org>
	<6710A6F5-A064-4C80-B53F-065CC4CA808E@gmail.com>
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	<63644464-E2BD-468E-A9A7-35890390122C@gmail.com>
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On 14 May 2006, at 11:33, Trejkaz wrote:

> Look, I didn't say we had a "Cure for Spam".  I just described how
> spamming applications work.

But you aren't Trejkaz ... you're guessing how they work.  Never  
helpful when trying to educate people on spam.

> They don't just go "oh look, the site
> isn't WordPress, let's stop trying."

Nobody said that.  Where did you get that from?

In fact I said the exact opposite - I still get wordpress vector  
attacks because my blog is probably still included in a distributed  
attack list ... along with a lot of others.

You're adding nothing now.

From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Sun May 14 13:48:10 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:48:10 -0500
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
In-Reply-To: <m17j4qc9t3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <m1iroacpz4.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<m1bqu2ch1f.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<A788B515-E3C5-4D72-9E20-CE2BF19EF7E0@gmail.com>
	<m17j4qc9t3.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605141048v51fcdd2ai11433850eddf649c@mail.gmail.com>

How will you handle having plugins register routes or are you contemplating
making a 'typo plugin' versus the regular 'rails plugin'?

On 5/13/06, Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 13 May 2006, at 12:15, Piers Cawley wrote:
> >>
> >> * Admin plugins. Rework the admin interface so it's easy to add a new
> >>   admin tab as a plugin. That way we can experiment with things like
> >>   spam handling/blacklisting or whatever in a way that's (hopefully)
> >>   decoupled from the rest of the administrative interface. It would
> >>   also be good to be able to add actions to existing tabs in a neat
> >>   fashion. Things like the podcasting addons have the potential to
> >>   work rather neatly as a plugin
> >>
> >> * 'Whole body' plugins. Thinking about the possibility of making the
> >>   podcasting addons into an admin plugin, it occurs that really it
> >>   would need to be more than that because there's also user visible
> >>   feeds to worry about. It seems there's a case for at least working
> >>   out a standard directory structure and registration system for
> >>   plugins so that they can integrate themselves with the wider Typo
> >>   system.
> >
> > Now that's an exciting concept ... you read my mind because I'd just
> > asked myself "What about a plugin architecture?"
>
> Heh. I've got the idea in my head now. I dunno when I'll do something
> about it, but once something is named it's much easier to work on it
> unconsciously.
>
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From meta at pobox.com  Sun May 14 14:24:52 2006
From: meta at pobox.com (mathew)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:24:52 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
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phil wrote:
> Is anyone else getting more comment spam lately?

Less here, and I have non-AJAX commenting enabled. I do, however, limit 
people to 3 URLs per reply.

I'm wondering if it's like graffiti--being really quick and thorough to 
eliminate it discourages more.


mathew

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Sun May 14 18:25:03 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:25:03 +1000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
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On Sunday 14 May 2006 21:58, Gary Shewan wrote:
> On 14 May 2006, at 11:33, Trejkaz wrote:
> > Look, I didn't say we had a "Cure for Spam".  I just described how
> > spamming applications work.
>
> But you aren't Trejkaz ... you're guessing how they work.  Never
> helpful when trying to educate people on spam.

I'm going off what I've seen in my website logs before.  That's as much 
experience as you can expect someone to have, unless they've worked for a 
spammer.  On the other hand if you've worked for a spammer, then fine, you 
have more authority in this respect.

> > They don't just go "oh look, the site
> > isn't WordPress, let's stop trying."
>
> Nobody said that.  Where did you get that from?

The original suggestion was that we detect people posting to wp-comments.php, 
and auto-blacklist them.

As I see it, this has two benefits.

  1. When the same spammer tries a second or subsequent hit on the same site,
     they would have already been blacklisted.  This is basically the same
     strategy firewalls use which detect scans against one port and then
     use that logic to block other ports.

  2. If we add them to a *global* blacklist, then we even help people who
     *are* running WordPress.

When I suggested that this might be a good idea due to #1, you basically said 
"no it wouldn't", which is equivalent to saying that spammers give up after 
trying WordPress.

They don't just go "oh look, the site isn't WordPress, let's stop trying.

TX    


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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May 15 06:14:25 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:14:25 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
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Trejkaz, have you ever heard the saying "It's better to keep quiet  
and have people suspect you're a fool, than to open your mouth and  
have it confirmed"?  It's a brilliant quotation.  One of those that  
really helps in life.

That's harsh eh?  But I can't believe how ridiculous you're being.

On 14 May 2006, at 23:25, Trejkaz wrote:

> ... On the other hand if you've worked for a spammer, then fine, you
> have more authority in this respect.

So you're suggesting I've worked for a spammer because I know what  
I'm talking about? A public accusation no less. That's libel  
sunshine.  Would you like me to point you to news stories where  
people have been sued for that?  Don't worry I'm not litigous, I  
think you're stupid, but not so stupid that you'd ever repeat  
anything like that ever again without being able to back it up.   
You're not in the playground now so be careful what you say ... but  
let's descend to that level eh?  Let's pretend it's the 80's again  
and it's usenet.  Using that same flawed logic - because I know how  
to attack a server that makes me a hacker or someone who's worked for  
one?

It didn't cross your mind that to know how to prevent spam, or how to  
secure a server you need to know how it's served and how they are  
attacked?  It has nothing to do with the years I've spent tracking,  
understanding and reporting spammers?  You visited my site and  
checked out all my 'spamcombat' posts eh?  It's got nothing to do  
with the fact that I need to know how to secure systems so I need to  
know how they can be hacked?  All the experience I have working on  
security projects count for nought?  It's got nothing to do with the  
fact that I started off as a programmer and network engineer light  
years ago when we still hand dialed BBS and waited for the tone ...  
and that, in that time, I've might have picked up a nugget of  
knowledge or two?

Are you kicking yourself now?  Are you thinking "Doh! I didn't think  
of that, the fella has a point?"  Are you feeling ridiculous?   Or  
should I just take it that you were being petulant because your ego  
was hurt?  Are you feeling as smug as when you sent that email?  In  
real life this is where you'd try and salvage as much dignity as  
possible and leave the room ... I know I would.  It's the 'Please let  
the ground open up" scenario.  But in the same way people feel safe  
enough in front of their PC's to spout drivel ... you get to read the  
rest.

> The original suggestion was that we detect people posting to wp- 
> comments.php,
> and auto-blacklist them.
>
> As I see it, this has two benefits.
>
>   1. When the same spammer tries a second or subsequent hit on the  
> same site,
>      they would have already been blacklisted.  This is basically  
> the same
>      strategy firewalls use which detect scans against one port and  
> then
>      use that logic to block other ports.
>
>   2. If we add them to a *global* blacklist, then we even help  
> people who
>      *are* running WordPress.
>
> When I suggested that this might be a good idea due to #1, you  
> basically said
> "no it wouldn't", which is equivalent to saying that spammers give  
> up after
> trying WordPress.

If I hadn't mentioned wp-comments then it wouldn't have been up for  
discussion.  You'd only know it was there if you looked in server  
logs ... but by the way feel free to explain how you have a different  
picture from your logs.  Especially the entries where spammers are  
trying multiple URLs to find how to comment ... because seeing  
something like that would really be one for the wall.  Some of my  
friends and myself would marvel at that.  I'm being serious.

Your firewall analogy is comparing two entirely different things and  
stinks of something just thrown together from buzzwords:

>> This is basically the same
>>      strategy firewalls use which detect scans against one port  
>> and then
>>      use that logic to block other ports.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Explain which firewall actively  
creates logic for port scanning as compared to all those that just  
log it and ignore it?  Pretty resource intensive firewall you must  
have there.  Port scanning hits - both the legitimate and dodgy kind  
- happen every couple of minutes on the net.  Anybody running  
Zonealarm (or any firewall really) just needs to turn on notification  
of everything to see how often it happens.  Firewalls just passively  
log it and log it.  There's no need for logic.

Of course it's a different matter with incoming traffic ... that  
needs rules.  Did you mean that instead of port scanning?  I'd say  
it's always easy to confuse the two ... but I'd be telling lies.

>>   2. If we add them to a *global* blacklist, then we even help  
>> people who
>>      *are* running WordPress.

What?  Grasping at straws now eh?  Have to try and find a legitimate  
point for your argument?  We're starting a blog 'Better Neighbour'  
programme now?  How the hell do we help them?  Because let me tell  
you the spam protection for Wordpress is light years ahead of  
anything Typo has.

Maybe we should gather all IP's that hit our Typo sites in a dodgy  
way and pass them on to the guys behind Spam Karma?  But wait, that  
would be really dumb and ineffective and you end up with large blocks  
of IP's blacklisted.  All those open proxies that serve a legitimate  
service? ... to hell with them they're blocked because - surprise -  
spammers use them too.  So when I use a dial up connection or a wifi  
connection that a spammer has used I can't access my site because  
it's a blacklisted IP?  Or are you going to explain how else you  
blacklist?  Because there's only three bits of info you can use and  
the only one that's guaranteed to be there is the IP.  Internet  
cafes, libraries, schools, colleges, universities - all blocked  
because at most of them some little scrote has had a go at spamming.

For anybody else *wanting* to learn something you should only block  
by IP when you're getting a huge wave of traffic from a specific IP  
or range that's making your server unstable (DoS or DDoS).  In the  
long term IP blocking is senseless unless you know the specific  
target of the block will stay at that IP ... and spammers certainly  
don't.  If you block by IP always review it at a later date.  I only  
have about five IP blocks ... all specific companies that I've banned  
from the site.  This is why we use baysien filtering and regex to  
combat spam of every kind.

>> When I suggested that this might be a good idea due to #1, you  
>> basically said
>> "no it wouldn't", which is equivalent to saying that spammers give  
>> up after
>> trying WordPress.

Ah now you have me there.  You see it's hard to carry on a discussion  
when the other person guesses what I mean.  Silly me I went and WROTE  
what I meant.  You'd be better off quoting me Trejkaz ... the beauty  
of discussion lists that. Even if you deleted the mail look it up in  
the archive.  I'd actually replied to Mortens post that blacklisting  
wouldn't be a good idea IMO. He first suggested it, a very good and  
legitimate point as well.  Just to refresh you:

On 13 May 2006, at 20:41, Gary Shewan wrote:
> On 13 May 2006, at 18:19, Morten Liebach wrote:
>>
>> There's an idea.  Everyone hitting wp-comments.php and other tell- 
>> tale
>> pages gets blacklisted automatically.  Would that be feasible?
>
> Could be but there'd be no point.  Anybody trying to attack through  
> the wp-comments vector is always going to fail so there's no real  
> need to blacklist.  Blacklisting should always be a managed affair  
> otherwise the rules and contents just get unmanageable.  You'd  
> never know anybody was trying to comment spam your Typo site from  
> wp-comments unless you look in your logs.  So there's no real  
> reason to worry about it.

Then you'd jumped on the bandwagon in direct response to that,  
completely missing the point I'd made:

On 14 May 2006, at 01:59, Trejkaz wrote:
>
> Not really.  The spammer will hit multiple URLs until they find the  
> one that
> works for the blog.  If someone hits wp-comments.php, then instantly
> blacklisting them would prevent their comment working later on,  
> when the bot
> does use the correct URL.

And what I said wasn't quite "No it wouldn't" but more along the  
lines of

On 14 May 2006, at 11:10, Gary Shewan wrote:

> They do not hit multiple URLs, for most blogs they only need to try  
> four.  There's no point anyway because there are enough blog  
> spamming apps out there that come pre populated with thousands of  
> blogs and the attack vector that's needed for each one.  If they  
> want to gather any more they just use spiders.  If somebody needs  
> to update an app to include Typo blogs they only need download the  
> source to discover the vector needed.

Oh and I also told you it was utter rubbish and to stop guessing at  
what happens.  So was that where you decided I must work/have worked  
for a spammer?  Was that where your ego went "Ouch"?

I'm having difficulty getting where I (or anyone else for that  
matter) said that spammers give up after trying wordpress, I know  
you're saying I didn't say it LITERALLY - but even the suggestion is  
hard to see.  But maybe it was my fault because I should have just  
replied highlighting the key elements of

> "Anybody trying to attack through the wp-comments vector is always  
> going to fail ... You'd never know anybody was trying to comment  
> spam your Typo site from wp-comments unless you look in your logs.   
> So there's no real reason to worry about it."

But I didn't see it as that confusing for people when I wrote it you  
see.  It seemed REALLY clear.

That's it from me Trejkaz - I'm done with you on this subject.   
There's nothing new being shared here.  If it's sensible and  
intelligent then fair enough, but what you've written so far has been  
guesses and conjecture based on not a lot.  Everybody else has had  
legitimate suggestions and questions.  You just brought your ego and  
nothing else to back you up, coupled with an inability to accept you  
might not know as much as you think.  Restraint is a great virtue ...  
something I haven't demonstrated here but it might make you think  
twice before you post.

So are you still feeling secure and smug sat at your PC?  Or are you  
realising now that you're dealing with real people here?  I also  
*strongly* suggest you don't make baseless accusations about people  
in a public forum.  Think about your response - 'm sure you'll have  
one.  Bear in mind if it's to me that I'll use this to judge it:

[If you're adding nothing new or you can't back it up, I'm not  
interested]

Cos I'll just cut and paste that.

</ incredulous rant>

You're an active member of the discussion list Trejkaz.  That adds  
value.  Just don't be an ejit.

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Mon May 15 06:46:05 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:46:05 +1000
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
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On Monday 15 May 2006 20:14, Gary Shewan wrote:
> Trejkaz, have you ever heard the saying "It's better to keep quiet
> and have people suspect you're a fool, than to open your mouth and
> have it confirmed"?  It's a brilliant quotation.  One of those that
> really helps in life.

Seems like it's proved itself today.

> On 14 May 2006, at 01:59, Trejkaz wrote:
>> Not really.  The spammer will hit multiple URLs until they find the
>> one that works for the blog.  If someone hits wp-comments.php, then
>> instantly blacklisting them would prevent their comment working later on,
>> when the bot does use the correct URL.
>
> And what I said wasn't quite "No it wouldn't" but more along the
> lines of
>
> On 14 May 2006, at 11:10, Gary Shewan wrote:
>> They do not hit multiple URLs, for most blogs they only need to try
>> four.

Does it not hit multiple URLs, or does it hit four?  You can't have it both 
ways, pick one.

> Oh and I also told you it was utter rubbish and to stop guessing at
> what happens.

I never claimed to know how they work.  I only wrote (truthfully) what I can 
see them doing.  Yes, I can see them hitting multiple URLs.  No, I don't 
happen to know the code they were using to do it.

TX

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From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Mon May 15 07:13:15 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:13:15 +0100
Subject: [typo] My Personal Medium/Long Term Typo goals
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"Steve Longdo" <steve.longdo at gmail.com> writes:

> How will you handle having plugins register routes or are you contemplating
> making a 'typo plugin' versus the regular 'rails plugin'?

Dunno yet. Plugins are definitely in the 'blue sky' phase of planning
at the moment.

-- 
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http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May 15 07:12:57 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:12:57 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
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On 15 May 2006, at 11:46, Trejkaz wrote:

> Does it not hit multiple URLs, or does it hit four?  You can't have  
> it both
> ways, pick one.

As this was in the context of a spamming application, they would only  
need to hit four - if the blog was Wordpress the comment submit form,  
for Textpattern it's form, for Moveable Type it's form and for Typo  
it's form.

All not hard to figure out as you just download the bloody code to  
see EXACTLY what URL to hit for each one, which is why there is no  
need for multiple URLs.

Is this getting through to you yet because I've said it about three  
times now?  Are you actually reading the posts or just picking on  
points?  Can we assume I know a little bit of what I talk about and I  
think about what I write before I hit 'Send'?

> I never claimed to know how they work.  I only wrote (truthfully)  
> what I can
> see them doing.  Yes, I can see them hitting multiple URLs.  No, I  
> don't
> happen to know the code they were using to do it.

Funny it seems you claimed a lot of things ...

On 14 May 2006, at 01:59, Trejkaz wrote:
> Not really.  The spammer will hit multiple URLs until they find the  
> one that
> works for the blog.  If someone hits wp-comments.php, then instantly
> blacklisting them would prevent their comment working later on,  
> when the bot
> does use the correct URL.

On 14 May 2006, at 11:33, Trejkaz wrote:
> Look, I didn't say we had a "Cure for Spam".  I just described how
> spamming applications work.  They don't just go "oh look, the site
> isn't WordPress, let's stop trying."

Looks to me you were saying how they work ...  then it just got all  
playground like.

Is that concept of me being able to quote EXACTLY what you said  
beginning to bite yet?  Does personal dignity mean nothing to you?   
Do you want to give the dead horse just one_more_kick?

From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Mon May 15 07:25:23 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:25:23 +1000
Subject: [typo] Jabber notification testability
Message-ID: <200605152125.26576.trejkaz@trypticon.org>

Hi all.

I have been working on a framework which I'm calling Action Messenger for the 
time being, which aims to provide an Action Mailer-like API for sending 
messages over XMPP (Jabber.)  I've been playing with integrating it with Typo 
over the past day or so, and things look promising?so far, but it's going to 
be difficult to fit together if I have to keep multi-blog support for Jabber 
notifications.

The way I've designed things (at least for greatest convenience) is for a site 
to generally only have a few messengers, but normally one.  Authentication is 
by default, stored away in the config directory similarly to Active Record, 
global to the application.  A site generally becomes a single XMPP entity, 
and that entity can send or receive messages.

However with the current Typo, there is separate configuration for this Jabber 
messaging agent in each individual blog.  This makes using my library not 
impossible, but a little more annoying.

So I guess I'm just feeling around for opinions at the moment.  I can have a 
simple, unit tested mechanism for Jabber notifications in a few minutes, if 
people are willing to sacrifice support for separate Jabber logins for each 
user.  Or, I can spend some more time trying to make this (possibly more 
unusual) usage a little easier to stomach.

I have to do a little work to get this thing to behave better under multiple 
instances anyway -- right now it works, but connects N times.  I have a 
working prototype of a notifier that runs separately to Typo and is contacted 
through DRb, but it feels a bit messy to have to do that when there are 
plenty of Typo instances already running.

TX

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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May 15 07:30:42 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:30:42 +0100
Subject: [typo] Ticket #872 - posting from external apps (again)
Message-ID: <A3D125DE-82F3-499B-A5EB-A8F73ACB8609@gmail.com>

In r1053 if you want to use an external blog editor then  
"published_at" is not being set so if people navigate to your posts  
then they'll get a "Post not found" error.  Easy to work around -  
just edit then publish in the admin panel where it is being set.

Probably an easy fix as well.

Gary

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Mon May 15 07:42:01 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:01 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
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Trejkaz <trejkaz at trypticon.org> writes:

> On Monday 15 May 2006 20:14, Gary Shewan wrote:
>> Trejkaz, have you ever heard the saying "It's better to keep quiet
>> and have people suspect you're a fool, than to open your mouth and
>> have it confirmed"?  It's a brilliant quotation.  One of those that
>> really helps in life.
>
> Seems like it's proved itself today.

Um, guys... Calm down. Please?

The saying I tend to think of in these matters is "Do not wrestle with
pigs, you only get muddy and the pig enjoys it." 

Plus, after a while, you're both so damned muddy that nobody can tell
which one's the pig.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk  Mon May 15 07:43:59 2006
From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:43:59 +0100
Subject: [typo] Ticket #872 - posting from external apps (again)
In-Reply-To: <A3D125DE-82F3-499B-A5EB-A8F73ACB8609@gmail.com> (Gary Shewan's
	message of "Mon, 15 May 2006 12:30:42 +0100")
References: <A3D125DE-82F3-499B-A5EB-A8F73ACB8609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m1r72vv7gg.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>

Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> writes:

> In r1053 if you want to use an external blog editor then  
> "published_at" is not being set so if people navigate to your posts  
> then they'll get a "Post not found" error.  Easy to work around -  
> just edit then publish in the admin panel where it is being set.
>
> Probably an easy fix as well.

Almost certainly. I shall take a look.

-- 
Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk>
http://www.bofh.org.uk/

From drcforbin at gmail.com  Mon May 15 10:32:04 2006
From: drcforbin at gmail.com (Ryan Williams)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:32:04 -0400
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<200605150825.04981.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<FE4D3C48-3574-4BCF-9517-F439CA186A24@gmail.com>
	<200605152046.08971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
Message-ID: <a5bbcba40605150732n1c599278wb90815e8a41d18ce@mail.gmail.com>

In all honesty, before Gary got all mad, it didn't sound like too bad
of an idea to me...

The battle against spammers won't be won until spam stops working.  In
the meantime, any idea that could give our side an edge should at
least be considered.  If it doesn't work, no harm is done.  If it
works, even for a little while, I call that successful.

On 5/15/06, Piers Cawley <pdcawley at bofh.org.uk> wrote:
> The saying I tend to think of in these matters is "Do not wrestle with
> pigs, you only get muddy and the pig enjoys it."
>
> Plus, after a while, you're both so damned muddy that nobody can tell
> which one's the pig.


From rasputnik at gmail.com  Mon May 15 11:00:26 2006
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:00:26 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <a5bbcba40605150732n1c599278wb90815e8a41d18ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<200605150825.04981.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<FE4D3C48-3574-4BCF-9517-F439CA186A24@gmail.com>
	<200605152046.08971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<a5bbcba40605150732n1c599278wb90815e8a41d18ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f1760605150800k487c2d0cl80e2cdbfa26b3c35@mail.gmail.com>

On 15/05/06, Ryan Williams <drcforbin at gmail.com> wrote:
> In all honesty, before Gary got all mad, it didn't sound like too bad
> of an idea to me...

I think the main point Gary was trying to make (in his own special way - heehee)
was that 1 IP != 1 user.


-- 
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/


From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Mon May 15 15:15:28 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:15:28 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <3f1760605150800k487c2d0cl80e2cdbfa26b3c35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<200605150825.04981.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<FE4D3C48-3574-4BCF-9517-F439CA186A24@gmail.com>
	<200605152046.08971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<a5bbcba40605150732n1c599278wb90815e8a41d18ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760605150800k487c2d0cl80e2cdbfa26b3c35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605151215h149fa238y7e7f70d9ceb74450@mail.gmail.com>

Gary is really over the top.  Seriously if anyone is hitting your Typo blog
with a wordpress URL they are not a valid user, period.

Perhaps Gary will now scream at me and encourage other Typo users to switch
to another blogging engine to not have to put up with his outbursts.

On 5/15/06, Dick Davies <rasputnik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 15/05/06, Ryan Williams <drcforbin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In all honesty, before Gary got all mad, it didn't sound like too bad
> > of an idea to me...
>
> I think the main point Gary was trying to make (in his own special way -
> heehee)
> was that 1 IP != 1 user.
>
>
> --
> Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
> http://number9.hellooperator.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May 15 15:42:05 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:42:05 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605151215h149fa238y7e7f70d9ceb74450@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<200605150825.04981.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<FE4D3C48-3574-4BCF-9517-F439CA186A24@gmail.com>
	<200605152046.08971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<a5bbcba40605150732n1c599278wb90815e8a41d18ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760605150800k487c2d0cl80e2cdbfa26b3c35@mail.gmail.com>
	<cc4e85f30605151215h149fa238y7e7f70d9ceb74450@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4582A63-F291-4260-BE50-101F3AB807E1@gmail.com>


On 15 May 2006, at 20:15, Steve Longdo wrote:

> Gary is really over the top.  Seriously if anyone is hitting your  
> Typo blog with a wordpress URL they are not a valid user, period.

I didn't think the conversation was technically accurate or helpful  
then Trejkaz got personal with a silly accusation which I lost the  
head over. Nothing to do with you Steve is it now?

> Perhaps Gary will now scream at me and encourage other Typo users  
> to switch to another blogging engine to not have to put up with his  
> outbursts.

Why would I do that?  Do you feel like switching because of a rant on  
a discussion list?  Always a good criteria for choosing a blog  
engine ...

Stirring trouble that's settled is never a clever thing to do.

Anybody else got anything personal to throw at me you don't need to  
do it on this list.  Write about it on your blog, or comment on my  
blog or mail me personally.



From scott at sigkill.org  Mon May 15 15:45:07 2006
From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:45:07 -0700
Subject: [typo] Jabber notification testability
In-Reply-To: <200605152125.26576.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
References: <200605152125.26576.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
Message-ID: <14b7e5ef0605151245o718e4344lf0f9d630c307033b@mail.gmail.com>

Well, at the moment we don't actually support multiple blogs.  So, I'mnot convinced that this is a real problem :-).  For now, I thinksupporting a single jabber login per server is okay, and we canrevisit that when we enable multiple blog support.

Scott
On 5/15/06, Trejkaz <trejkaz at trypticon.org> wrote:> Hi all.>> I have been working on a framework which I'm calling Action Messenger for the> time being, which aims to provide an Action Mailer-like API for sending> messages over XMPP (Jabber.)  I've been playing with integrating it with Typo> over the past day or so, and things look promising?so far, but it's going to> be difficult to fit together if I have to keep multi-blog support for Jabber> notifications.>> The way I've designed things (at least for greatest convenience) is for a site> to generally only have a few messengers, but normally one.  Authentication is> by default, stored away in the config directory similarly to Active Record,> global to the application.  A site generally becomes a single XMPP entity,> and that entity can send or receive messages.>> However with the current Typo, there is separate configuration for this Jabber> messaging agent in each individual blog.  This makes using my library not> impossible, but a little more annoying.>> So I guess I'm just feeling around for opinions at the moment.  I can have a> simple, unit tested mechanism for Jabber notifications in a few minutes, if> people are willing to sacrifice support for separate Jabber logins for each> user.  Or, I can spend some more time trying to make this (possibly more> unusual) usage a little easier to stomach.>> I have to do a little work to get this thing to behave better under multiple> instances anyway -- right now it works, but connects N times.  I have a> working prototype of a notifier that runs separately to Typo and is contacted> through DRb, but it feels a bit messy to have to do that when there are> plenty of Typo instances already running.>> TX>> -->              Email: trejkaz at trypticon.org>          Jabber ID: trejkaz at trypticon.org>           Web site: http://trypticon.org/>    GPG Fingerprint: 9EEB 97D7 8F7B 7977 F39F  A62C B8C7 BC8B 037E EA73>>> _______________________________________________> Typo-list mailing list> Typo-list at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list>>>

From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Mon May 15 16:04:26 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:04:26 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <F4582A63-F291-4260-BE50-101F3AB807E1@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<200605150825.04981.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<FE4D3C48-3574-4BCF-9517-F439CA186A24@gmail.com>
	<200605152046.08971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
	<a5bbcba40605150732n1c599278wb90815e8a41d18ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f1760605150800k487c2d0cl80e2cdbfa26b3c35@mail.gmail.com>
	<cc4e85f30605151215h149fa238y7e7f70d9ceb74450@mail.gmail.com>
	<F4582A63-F291-4260-BE50-101F3AB807E1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605151304l35c33c90m59fa4a6eade013f@mail.gmail.com>

So to be clear Trejkaz is silly, the course of functionality development for
Typo has nothing to do with me, I am not clever for observing the community
busting tactics of one of the commiters to Typo.

Thanks Gary, that clears it up for me.

On 5/15/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 15 May 2006, at 20:15, Steve Longdo wrote:
>
> > Gary is really over the top.  Seriously if anyone is hitting your
> > Typo blog with a wordpress URL they are not a valid user, period.
>
> I didn't think the conversation was technically accurate or helpful
> then Trejkaz got personal with a silly accusation which I lost the
> head over. Nothing to do with you Steve is it now?
>
> > Perhaps Gary will now scream at me and encourage other Typo users
> > to switch to another blogging engine to not have to put up with his
> > outbursts.
>
> Why would I do that?  Do you feel like switching because of a rant on
> a discussion list?  Always a good criteria for choosing a blog
> engine ...
>
> Stirring trouble that's settled is never a clever thing to do.
>
> Anybody else got anything personal to throw at me you don't need to
> do it on this list.  Write about it on your blog, or comment on my
> blog or mail me personally.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Mon May 15 16:39:06 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:39:06 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605151304l35c33c90m59fa4a6eade013f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<200605150825.04981.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<FE4D3C48-3574-4BCF-9517-F439CA186A24@gmail.com>
	<200605152046.08971.trejkaz@trypticon.org>
	<m1ves7v7jq.fsf@obelisk.bofh.org.uk>
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	<3f1760605150800k487c2d0cl80e2cdbfa26b3c35@mail.gmail.com>
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On 15 May 2006, at 21:04, Steve Longdo wrote:

> So to be clear Trejkaz is silly,

To publically suggest I work for a spammer ... yes.

> the course of functionality development for Typo has nothing to do  
> with me, I am not clever for observing the community busting  
> tactics of one of the commiters to Typo.

What?  Who would that be?  You know I'm not a Typo commiter don't  
you?  I'm a user.  The only commiter involved in that discussion was  
Piers and I thought he was being a very nice fella.  Had you emailed  
me privately I would have told you that ... embarrassing on a public  
forum to see mistakes like that being made ...

> Thanks Gary, that clears it up for me.

I hope it does.

From kevin at sb.org  Mon May 15 20:46:10 2006
From: kevin at sb.org (Kevin Ballard)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:46:10 -0700
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
References: <ce3c3c85045d2981bfe2c36f29f0de5f@pepe.cryer.us>
	<4464A796.4060309@whoisjake.com>
	<cc4e85f30605120833y77542f4ey84dccba75f781b5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEAD89ED-0A5E-45B5-BB8D-CC48EA90484C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011396E3-C6FE-4A79-BD27-34A772810743@sb.org>

For reference, the way AJAX comments are detected is through a Rails  
convenience method, which all it really does is checks for the  
presence of a specific header that the Prototype javascript library  
sticks on all of its XmlHttpRequest calls, so all a spammer really  
has to do is realize this and start adding that header to their spams.

On May 12, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Gary Shewan wrote:

> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
> worth it.  If anybody did that I'd say "Clver programmer ... stupid
> spammer".

-- 
Kevin Ballard
kevin at sb.org
http://kevin.sb.org
http://www.tildesoft.com


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From bronson at rinspin.com  Mon May 15 23:08:27 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:08:27 -0400
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <141C8C3D-2B95-46D6-A74E-D2254EDEE798@gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605111047i5c68c2ax34951a4e42c19738@mail.gmail.com>
	<141C8C3D-2B95-46D6-A74E-D2254EDEE798@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1147748907.32534.11.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 10:31 +0100, Gary Shewan wrote:
> On 11 May 2006, at 18:47, Kester Dobson wrote:
> > I put together a small
> > automated process to publish compressed archives of the Typo Current
> > trunk at around midnight CET. Hopefully this might be helpful for
> > people without access to SVN    ...  http://justkez.com/typo/
>
> I don't get it.
> If somebody is on a host that doesn't support subversion, then all  
> they have to do is get a svn client for whatever platform they're  
> using (svnx for os x for example).  ...
> There's not really a need for an automated script.

As you say, it saves someone from having to find and install a SVN
client for their platform and learn how to use it.  That could
potentially save some people a fair bit of time.  Just because YOU
aren't interested an automated script, that doesn't mean that nobody is.

I would applaud Kester's work except that the Google ads make me wonder
about his motive...  Is it to save people time, or is this just another
click farm?

    - Scott




From hal9000 at hypermetrics.com  Mon May 15 23:51:39 2006
From: hal9000 at hypermetrics.com (Hal Fulton)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:51:39 -0500
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <1147748907.32534.11.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
References: <6f62d3970605111047i5c68c2ax34951a4e42c19738@mail.gmail.com>	<141C8C3D-2B95-46D6-A74E-D2254EDEE798@gmail.com>
	<1147748907.32534.11.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
Message-ID: <44694C4B.4070607@hypermetrics.com>

Scott Bronson wrote:
> 
> I would applaud Kester's work except that the Google ads make me wonder
> about his motive...  Is it to save people time, or is this just another
> click farm?
> 

Maybe it's a click farm that saves people time.  ;)


Hal


From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Tue May 16 01:47:21 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:47:21 +1000
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <1147748907.32534.11.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
References: <6f62d3970605111047i5c68c2ax34951a4e42c19738@mail.gmail.com>
	<141C8C3D-2B95-46D6-A74E-D2254EDEE798@gmail.com>
	<1147748907.32534.11.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
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On 16/05/2006, at 13:08 PM, Scott Bronson wrote:
> As you say, it saves someone from having to find and install a SVN
> client for their platform and learn how to use it.  That could
> potentially save some people a fair bit of time.  Just because YOU
> aren't interested an automated script, that doesn't mean that  
> nobody is.

It also helps people downloading the source through fascist proxies.   
We have one of those at work here, and although I wouldn't have a  
need for downloading Typo through it, I've often had to do it for  
other projects.

TX

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From kdobson at gmail.com  Tue May 16 03:55:47 2006
From: kdobson at gmail.com (Kester Dobson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:55:47 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
Message-ID: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

First actual e-mail response to a mailing list, ever, fingers crossed.

The proxy issue was my main purpose for doing this, couldn't get
access to it from work - and suspect many people are in the same
situation. Additionally downloading, reading up on and operating a SVN
client seems a little much overhead for trying out the current trunk.

My motives are to provide the tarballed sources, but I can understand
how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.

Cheers


From neuro at 7el.net  Tue May 16 04:02:12 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:02:12 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44698704.8060507@7el.net>

Kester Dobson a ?crit :
> Hello!
> 
> First actual e-mail response to a mailing list, ever, fingers crossed.
> 
> The proxy issue was my main purpose for doing this, couldn't get
> access to it from work - and suspect many people are in the same
> situation. Additionally downloading, reading up on and operating a SVN
> client seems a little much overhead for trying out the current trunk.
> 
> My motives are to provide the tarballed sources, but I can understand
> how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.
> 
> Cheers
> 

I haven't the url of the source here, I only subscribed to the list a 
few days ago.

Do you provide sources from svn co (with .svn files) or svn export ?

Most apps provide nightly builds for testers, and I believe it's a good 
thing. It opens the testing process to much more people so we'll have 
bugs detected faster.

Frederic


-- 
Fr?d?ric de Villamil
"Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
draguer sa copine moche" -- conseil de go.
http://t37.net				http://fredericdevillamil.com
neuro at 7el.net				tel: +33 (0)6 62 19 1337
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From kdobson at gmail.com  Tue May 16 05:39:33 2006
From: kdobson at gmail.com (Kester Dobson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:39:33 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
Message-ID: <6f62d3970605160239o75f7d979oedbde5e6f581075c@mail.gmail.com>

Salut Fr?d?ric,

It provides the full source tree from the SVN repository. The script
runs an "svn update" in the tree every 24h and packages everything up.

I have limited experience with SVN, so am unsure as to what difference
using checkout or export would provide - if you have any
reccomendations I'd certainly be open to them!

You can see the archives here: http://justkez.com/typo - the server is
in the US, hence the differences between archive date stamp and Apache
date stamp. I should probably correct this.

Cheers.


From neuro at 7el.net  Tue May 16 05:42:42 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:42:42 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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Kester Dobson a ?crit :
> Salut Fr?d?ric,
> 
> It provides the full source tree from the SVN repository. The script
> runs an "svn update" in the tree every 24h and packages everything up.
> 
> I have limited experience with SVN, so am unsure as to what difference
> using checkout or export would provide - if you have any
> reccomendations I'd certainly be open to them!
> 
> You can see the archives here: http://justkez.com/typo - the server is
> in the US, hence the differences between archive date stamp and Apache
> date stamp. I should probably correct this.
> 
> Cheers.
> 

svn update provides a svn working tree you can develop on, commit, update...

svn export provides the source and only the source without those .cvs 
things, as on any normal release.

That's the main difference : the first one is made to contribute and 
code, the other one to use.



-- 
Fr?d?ric de Villamil
"Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
draguer sa copine moche" -- conseil de go.
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From kdobson at gmail.com  Tue May 16 05:48:24 2006
From: kdobson at gmail.com (Kester Dobson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:48:24 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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Ah, okay - thank you.

I will update the process tonight to run an SVN export instead of update.

Thanks for the tip!

On 5/16/06, Fr?d?ric de Villamil <neuro at 7el.net> wrote:
> Kester Dobson a ?crit :
> > Salut Fr?d?ric,
> >
> > It provides the full source tree from the SVN repository. The script
> > runs an "svn update" in the tree every 24h and packages everything up.
> >
> > I have limited experience with SVN, so am unsure as to what difference
> > using checkout or export would provide - if you have any
> > reccomendations I'd certainly be open to them!
> >
> > You can see the archives here: http://justkez.com/typo - the server is
> > in the US, hence the differences between archive date stamp and Apache
> > date stamp. I should probably correct this.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
>
> svn update provides a svn working tree you can develop on, commit, update...
>
> svn export provides the source and only the source without those .cvs
> things, as on any normal release.
>
> That's the main difference : the first one is made to contribute and
> code, the other one to use.
>
>
>
> --
> Fr?d?ric de Villamil
> "Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
> draguer sa copine moche" -- conseil de go.
> http://t37.net                          http://fredericdevillamil.com
> neuro at 7el.net                           tel: +33 (0)6 62 19 1337
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
>
>


From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May 16 06:16:34 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:16:34 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>
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On 16 May 2006, at 04:08, Scott Bronson wrote:

> Just because YOU aren't interested an automated script, that  
> doesn't mean that nobody is.

Never said that did I?  Put your capitals back in their box.

On 16 May 2006, at 08:55, Kester Dobson wrote:
>
> The proxy issue was my main purpose for doing this, couldn't get
> access to it from work - and suspect many people are in the same
> situation. Additionally downloading, reading up on and operating a SVN
> client seems a little much overhead for trying out the current trunk.

I thought your main purpose was because your host didn't support  
subversion?

Some svn clients are exactly like FTP clients.  Are you mistaking  
them with the command line client - which *is* tricky for beginners  
to grasp?  Do you understand that I didn't see the point because even  
though a host doesn't support svn ... you can still use svn on your  
own machine?  It's much easier to use because instead of having to  
grab the whole source every time you only grab the changed files.   
You can easily get six changesets at a weekend.

Maybe I should have made it clearer that I didn't see the need for an  
automated script if you're host doesn't support svn, because you  
don't *need* your host to support svn.

I don't quite get the proxy thing.  I wouldn't have thought  
typosphere was a regularly blocked site and if people are at work  
then they're work ... not playing with typo code.

Er and just for the record that doesn't mean I hate proxies ;)

> My motives are to provide the tarballed sources, but I can understand
> how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.

To be honest if you're providing a service that could suck down  
bandwidth I wouldn't blame you for putting ads up there.  That's not  
a click farm ... that's an ad supported service.

Gary

From kdobson at gmail.com  Tue May 16 07:01:44 2006
From: kdobson at gmail.com (Kester Dobson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:01:44 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>
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Hi Gary,

Correct in that my host does not support SVN, but I also cannot access
the SVN repos for typo from work through our proxy (don't work 100% of
the time I'm in work). I would envisage people not constantly updating
their typo instances with new tarballs, but setting up a new typo
installation based on current (offers a lot more features than stable,
as you're probably well aware).

It took minimal effort on my part, and it may be of use to someone
which is all I want - extracting a tarball is easier than downloading
an SVN client etc etc.

Cheers.

On 5/16/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 May 2006, at 04:08, Scott Bronson wrote:
>
> > Just because YOU aren't interested an automated script, that
> > doesn't mean that nobody is.
>
> Never said that did I?  Put your capitals back in their box.
>
> On 16 May 2006, at 08:55, Kester Dobson wrote:
> >
> > The proxy issue was my main purpose for doing this, couldn't get
> > access to it from work - and suspect many people are in the same
> > situation. Additionally downloading, reading up on and operating a SVN
> > client seems a little much overhead for trying out the current trunk.
>
> I thought your main purpose was because your host didn't support
> subversion?
>
> Some svn clients are exactly like FTP clients.  Are you mistaking
> them with the command line client - which *is* tricky for beginners
> to grasp?  Do you understand that I didn't see the point because even
> though a host doesn't support svn ... you can still use svn on your
> own machine?  It's much easier to use because instead of having to
> grab the whole source every time you only grab the changed files.
> You can easily get six changesets at a weekend.
>
> Maybe I should have made it clearer that I didn't see the need for an
> automated script if you're host doesn't support svn, because you
> don't *need* your host to support svn.
>
> I don't quite get the proxy thing.  I wouldn't have thought
> typosphere was a regularly blocked site and if people are at work
> then they're work ... not playing with typo code.
>
> Er and just for the record that doesn't mean I hate proxies ;)
>
> > My motives are to provide the tarballed sources, but I can understand
> > how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.
>
> To be honest if you're providing a service that could suck down
> bandwidth I wouldn't blame you for putting ads up there.  That's not
> a click farm ... that's an ad supported service.
>
> Gary
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>


From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May 16 07:28:17 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:28:17 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, Kester Dobson wrote:

>  I would envisage people not constantly updating
> their typo instances with new tarballs, but setting up a new typo
> installation based on current (offers a lot more features than stable,
> as you're probably well aware).

True ... lot's of excitement as well :)  Probably not a good idea to  
run with a live site unless you want real fun and excitement though.   
Although r1053 is looking stable(ish) but trunk potentially breaks a  
lot of themes unless they've been updated.

> It took minimal effort on my part, and it may be of use to someone
> which is all I want - extracting a tarball is easier than downloading
> an SVN client etc etc.

Good man, but I wouldn't worry if you wanted to put the ads back  
up.   May as well see if you can make a few pennies for the bandwidth  
for the work you did put in.   It's certainly not a click farm.

Gary

From neuro at 7el.net  Tue May 16 07:31:05 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:31:05 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>	<AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>	<6f62d3970605160401u5a3850cftb5628141d1e09dee@mail.gmail.com>
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Gary Shewan a ?crit :
> On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, Kester Dobson wrote:
> 
>>  I would envisage people not constantly updating
>> their typo instances with new tarballs, but setting up a new typo
>> installation based on current (offers a lot more features than stable,
>> as you're probably well aware).
> 
> True ... lot's of excitement as well :)  Probably not a good idea to  
> run with a live site unless you want real fun and excitement though.   
> Although r1053 is looking stable(ish) but trunk potentially breaks a  
> lot of themes unless they've been updated.
> 
>> It took minimal effort on my part, and it may be of use to someone
>> which is all I want - extracting a tarball is easier than downloading
>> an SVN client etc etc.
> 
> Good man, but I wouldn't worry if you wanted to put the ads back  
> up.   May as well see if you can make a few pennies for the bandwidth  
> for the work you did put in.   It's certainly not a click farm.
> 
> Gary


I can mirror here too, if needed. I have unlimited bandwidth in the 
limits of my 10mb line in a datacenter in France and I hardly use 10 
gigabytes a day.

-- 
Fr?d?ric de Villamil
"Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
draguer sa copine moche" -- conseil de go.
http://t37.net				http://fredericdevillamil.com
neuro at 7el.net				tel: +33 (0)6 62 19 1337
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From rasputnik at gmail.com  Tue May 16 07:37:18 2006
From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:37:18 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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On 16/05/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't quite get the proxy thing.  I wouldn't have thought
> typosphere was a regularly blocked site and if people are at work
> then they're work ... not playing with typo code.

I think the issue is some (stupid/broken) proxies that don't allow
the extra HTTP methods that webDAV (and therefore SVN)
connections use.

-- 
Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns
http://number9.hellooperator.net/


From kdobson at gmail.com  Tue May 16 07:52:41 2006
From: kdobson at gmail.com (Kester Dobson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:52:41 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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On 5/16/06, Fr?d?ric de Villamil <neuro at 7el.net> wrote:

> I can mirror here too, if needed. I have unlimited bandwidth in the
> limits of my 10mb line in a datacenter in France and I hardly use 10
> gigabytes a day.

Thanks Frederic - appreciate it!

At the moment it's not issue as I think 1 or 2 of the files have been
downloaded and i have a 400 Gb/mo package. I think running the SVN
export instead of update will trim the size down a touch, too!


From bronson at rinspin.com  Tue May 16 08:06:39 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:06:39 -0400
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 11:16 +0100, Gary Shewan wrote:
> On 16 May 2006, at 04:08, Scott Bronson wrote:
> 
> > Just because YOU aren't interested an automated script, that  
> > doesn't mean that nobody is.
> 
> Never said that did I?  Put your capitals back in their box.

You said, "There's not really a need for an automated script."  (exact
quote).  If you weren't intending to speak for everybody, you probably
should have qualified your statement: "I don't see a need for an
automated script."  There's a pretty big difference between those two
statements y'know?

    - Scott



From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May 16 08:21:42 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:21:42 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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On 16 May 2006, at 13:06, Scott Bronson wrote:

> If you weren't intending to speak for everybody

Sorry my fault, I thought it was taken as read that I don't speak for  
everybody - but only for me.  How about this for a disclaimer that I  
attach to my posts?

[Let it be known that this is my own opinion.  I don't speak for  
anybody.  I only speak for myself]

Would that help you out?

This is getting stupid...


From neuro at 7el.net  Tue May 16 08:29:35 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:29:35 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <B5A4AC17-3E73-414E-B338-8E721C6F665E@gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>	<AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>	<1147781199.32534.25.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<B5A4AC17-3E73-414E-B338-8E721C6F665E@gmail.com>
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Gary Shewan a ?crit :
> On 16 May 2006, at 13:06, Scott Bronson wrote:
> 
>> If you weren't intending to speak for everybody
> 
> Sorry my fault, I thought it was taken as read that I don't speak for  
> everybody - but only for me.  How about this for a disclaimer that I  
> attach to my posts?
> 
> [Let it be known that this is my own opinion.  I don't speak for  
> anybody.  I only speak for myself]
> 
> Would that help you out?
> 
> This is getting stupid...
> 

Nightly builds are always useful for a testing purpose.

I'm thinking about setting up an automated testing environment for 
_users_ that's to say people who are not aware of what a database and a 
webserver are but are supposed to use Typo because it's designed for them.

Many software have testing teams, and a test related mailing list as 
well to discuss about what is a bug and what is not. I know Typo is not 
as widely used as some other software, but I was surprised not to find 
one when I started to play with typo.

Frederic (disclaimer: this is my own f*$@!#ing opinion about OSS dev and 
only my opinion, so just take it as it is ;))


-- 
Fr?d?ric de Villamil
"Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
draguer sa copine moche" -- conseil de go.
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May 16 08:51:37 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:51:37 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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On 16 May 2006, at 13:29, Fr?d?ric de Villamil wrote:

> I'm thinking about setting up an automated testing environment for  
> _users_ that's to say people who are not aware of what a database  
> and a webserver are but are supposed to use Typo because it's  
> designed for them.
>
> Many software have testing teams, and a test related mailing list  
> as well to discuss about what is a bug and what is not. I know Typo  
> is not as widely used as some other software, but I was surprised  
> not to find one when I started to play with typo.

So a list just for bug and testing discussion?  Is that not just  
cutting a function of this list?  Which isn't normally as busy...

There's the Typo forums as well of course.

Now for the love of all that's holy that's not me slamming your idea  
here Fr?d?ric ;)  But if I normally find a bug I'll post it here, and  
to just make it loud and plainly clear to anyone else I am *not*  
saying not to go ahead and do it ... maybe the point will get across  
sooner rather than later ;)

> Frederic (disclaimer: this is my own f*$@!#ing opinion about OSS  
> dev and only my opinion, so just take it as it is ;))

Good man!  Stay safe ;)

Gary...

...who most definitely does not speak for anybody else and is  
definitely not a commiter to Typo and only ever speaks about *his  
own* opinion which is really easy to ignore.

;)

From neuro at 7el.net  Tue May 16 08:59:38 2006
From: neuro at 7el.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_de_Villamil?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:59:38 +0200
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
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Gary Shewan a ?crit :
> On 16 May 2006, at 13:29, Fr?d?ric de Villamil wrote:
> 
>> I'm thinking about setting up an automated testing environment for  
>> _users_ that's to say people who are not aware of what a database  
>> and a webserver are but are supposed to use Typo because it's  
>> designed for them.
>>
>> Many software have testing teams, and a test related mailing list  
>> as well to discuss about what is a bug and what is not. I know Typo  
>> is not as widely used as some other software, but I was surprised  
>> not to find one when I started to play with typo.
> 
> So a list just for bug and testing discussion?  Is that not just  
> cutting a function of this list?  Which isn't normally as busy...
> 
> There's the Typo forums as well of course.
> 
> Now for the love of all that's holy that's not me slamming your idea  
> here Fr?d?ric ;)  But if I normally find a bug I'll post it here, and  
> to just make it loud and plainly clear to anyone else I am *not*  
> saying not to go ahead and do it ... maybe the point will get across  
> sooner rather than later ;)
> 
>> Frederic (disclaimer: this is my own f*$@!#ing opinion about OSS  
>> dev and only my opinion, so just take it as it is ;))
> 
> Good man!  Stay safe ;)
> 
> Gary...
> 
> ...who most definitely does not speak for anybody else and is  
> definitely not a commiter to Typo and only ever speaks about *his  
> own* opinion which is really easy to ignore.
> 
> ;)

Gary: no problem at all for me as soon as this list is used both for 
discussing Typo matter AND bug reporting and isn't too busy.

Depends on how much trafic there is on the list actually. So my 
apologies for my not-so-bad-but-not-accurate-at-this-time idea

Frederic



-- 
Fr?d?ric de Villamil
"Quand tu veux chasser une belle fille, il vaut mieux commencer par
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May 16 09:14:50 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:14:50 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <4469CCBA.9040802@7el.net>
References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>	<AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>	<1147781199.32534.25.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>	<B5A4AC17-3E73-414E-B338-8E721C6F665E@gmail.com>	<4469C5AF.2000904@7el.net>
	<81054F7C-ABFA-490D-A6F1-9A7124E0A2D2@gmail.com>
	<4469CCBA.9040802@7el.net>
Message-ID: <7ACE8975-33DA-44FF-927B-E409FE8BD5AB@gmail.com>


On 16 May 2006, at 13:59, Fr?d?ric de Villamil wrote:

> Depends on how much trafic there is on the list actually. So my  
> apologies for my not-so-bad-but-not-accurate-at-this-time idea

Jayzuz don't apologise or somebody might blame me for putting you  
off! ;)

It was only yesterday that bug chat was going on.  A problem with  
posting from an external app that meant the posts weren't being  
displayed (Ticket #872) but Piers has solved that in r1054 which is  
pretty stable(ish) ... which is always good to know if anybody is  
thinking of a trunk jump.

Gary

[Very much still solo opinions only]

From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Tue May 16 09:51:04 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:51:04 -0500
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <7ACE8975-33DA-44FF-927B-E409FE8BD5AB@gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>
	<1147781199.32534.25.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<B5A4AC17-3E73-414E-B338-8E721C6F665E@gmail.com>
	<4469C5AF.2000904@7el.net>
	<81054F7C-ABFA-490D-A6F1-9A7124E0A2D2@gmail.com>
	<4469CCBA.9040802@7el.net>
	<7ACE8975-33DA-44FF-927B-E409FE8BD5AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605160651y7c70facel9424c1602f8ed71b@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe you could add "beating the life out of the Typo community since 2006"
to your signature Gary? :-)

On 5/16/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 16 May 2006, at 13:59, Fr?d?ric de Villamil wrote:
>
> > Depends on how much trafic there is on the list actually. So my
> > apologies for my not-so-bad-but-not-accurate-at-this-time idea
>
> Jayzuz don't apologise or somebody might blame me for putting you
> off! ;)
>
> It was only yesterday that bug chat was going on.  A problem with
> posting from an external app that meant the posts weren't being
> displayed (Ticket #872) but Piers has solved that in r1054 which is
> pretty stable(ish) ... which is always good to know if anybody is
> thinking of a trunk jump.
>
> Gary
>
> [Very much still solo opinions only]
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Tue May 16 10:28:41 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:28:41 +0100
Subject: [typo] Typo current nightlies
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605160651y7c70facel9424c1602f8ed71b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f62d3970605160055j74cab214ua4e012b16553ce75@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF5B48CF-C04F-4926-B6F7-E140E50BA6F8@gmail.com>
	<1147781199.32534.25.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<B5A4AC17-3E73-414E-B338-8E721C6F665E@gmail.com>
	<4469C5AF.2000904@7el.net>
	<81054F7C-ABFA-490D-A6F1-9A7124E0A2D2@gmail.com>
	<4469CCBA.9040802@7el.net>
	<7ACE8975-33DA-44FF-927B-E409FE8BD5AB@gmail.com>
	<cc4e85f30605160651y7c70facel9424c1602f8ed71b@mail.gmail.com>
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On 16 May 2006, at 14:51, Steve Longdo wrote:

> Maybe you could add "beating the life out of the Typo community  
> since 2006" to your signature Gary? :-)

C'mon now Steve, what was the point of that? I've been on the list  
for about a year now.  Try not to be so sensitive and delicate eh?

From phil at cryer.us  Tue May 16 12:33:37 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:33:37 -0500
Subject: [typo] Comment spam increasing lately
In-Reply-To: <011396E3-C6FE-4A79-BD27-34A772810743@sb.org>
References: <011396E3-C6FE-4A79-BD27-34A772810743@sb.org>
Message-ID: <cde635617b46c360aa8e143d7a1a82ce@pepe.cryer.us>


On Mon, 15 May 2006 17:46:10 -0700, Kevin Ballard <kevin at sb.org> wrote:
> For reference, the way AJAX comments are detected is through a Rails
> convenience method, which all it really does is checks for the
> presence of a specific header that the Prototype javascript library
> sticks on all of its XmlHttpRequest calls, so all a spammer really
> has to do is realize this and start adding that header to their spams.
> 
> On May 12, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Gary Shewan wrote:
> 
>> It could definitely be possible to write an app that automatically
>> submits comments to Typo sites that stop non-ajax comments, but the
>> economic payoff for spam is it's bulk nature and it just wouldn't be
>> worth it.  If anybody did that I'd say "Clver programmer ... stupid
>> spammer".

Just as a followup to my original post, before, when I had "Allow non-ajax comments" selected, I was getting 5-10 Spams each night.  Now that I've unchecked it I haven't gotten a spam in over a week.  I would suggest we change the wording of:

(Spam bots usually don't know anything about ajax comments)

to something along the lines of

(with this option enabled you will be more open to spam bot attacks - if hit with allot of spam, consider unchecking this option)

Perhaps not as word-y, but you get the idea.  So, for now, things are running great!

Viva Typo!

P
-- 
http://fak3r.com - you dont have to kick it


From josh at hasmanythrough.com  Wed May 17 19:34:32 2006
From: josh at hasmanythrough.com (Josh Susser)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:34:32 -0700
Subject: [typo] dupe comments
Message-ID: <CF22623A-790C-479D-8207-07B507520CE1@hasmanythrough.com>

I'm not using the latest and greatest Typo as yet, so maybe this has  
already been implemented.  But is there a feature in Typo to prevent  
duplicate posting of comments?  Seems to be a common thing seeing  
multiple copies of a comment because the user hit the Submit button  
more than once.

--
Josh Susser
http://blog.hasmanythrough.com



From lists at holsman.net  Thu May 18 18:43:47 2006
From: lists at holsman.net (Ian Holsman)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:43:47 +1000
Subject: [typo] SVN issue?
Message-ID: <8B46AD77-8F99-488C-A80F-3DBADF6BCBC6@holsman.net>

Hi.
I just downloaded the current trunk, and got the following error when  
I tried to post a article.


Processing ContentController#new (for 65.197.174.98 at 2006-05-19  
08:43:22) [POST]
   Session ID: 340d18271f886c34fffd491c1513be42
   Parameters: {"article"=>{"allow_pings"=>"1", "permalink"=>"",  
"title"=>"Looks like I am not the only happy camper", "body"=>"I just  
noticed \"Andrew Savory\":http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/ 
001112.html is having similar \"problems\":http://feh.holsman.net/ 
articles/2006/04/25/macbook-problems with his macbook (although I   
haven't noticed the vibrations, just the overheating), and getting  
the same runaround as I am.\r\n\r\n<blockquote> but I'm so furious  
about the way that Apple are treating me that I'm going to do just  
that: return the Macbook Pro for a refund\r\n</blockquote>\r\n\r\nHe  
returned his, I've still got mine (no refund was offered to me). but  
I'm seeing a theme here. Manufacturers need to offer excellent after- 
care support if they expect people to not bitch about it. \r\n\r 
\nI've got a friend coming over next week who wants to buy a laptop.   
I'm just going to let her burn her lap with mine and let her decide  
if she wants to get one.\r\n\r\nBTW.. the most popular search term I  
have at the moment is macbook problems, so I'm guessing a LOT of  
people out there are having this issue. \r\n\r\nApple.. are you  
listening? over 500 people this month have read about my problems,  
and I'm not even *CLOSE* to a a-list blogger.", "published"=>"1",  
"published_at(1i)"=>"2006", "extended"=>"", "published_at(2i)"=>"5",  
"published_at(3i)"=>"19", "published_at(4i)"=>"08", "published_at 
(5i)"=>"35", "text_filter"=>"textile", "allow_comments"=>"1",  
"keywords"=>"macbook problem service mac"}, "admin/content/new"=>nil,  
"action"=>"new", "categories"=>["12"], "controller"=>"admin/content"}


NameError (undefined local variable or method `content' for #<Article: 
0xb753e68c>):
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/base.rb:1792:in  
`method_missing'
     /app/models/content.rb:144:in `method_missing'
     /app/models/article.rb:145:in `notify_user_via_jabber'
     /app/models/content.rb:205:in `send_notification_to_user'
     /app/models/content_state/just_published.rb:39:in  
`send_notifications'
     /app/models/content_state/just_published.rb:38:in `each'
     /app/models/content_state/just_published.rb:38:in  
`send_notifications'
     /app/models/content.rb:209:in `send_notifications'
     /app/models/email_notifier.rb:6:in `after_save'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/observer.rb:123:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/observer.rb:123:in  
`update'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/observer.rb:185:in `notify_observers'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/observer.rb:184:in `each'
     /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/observer.rb:184:in `notify_observers'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:364:in  
`notify'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:328:in  
`callback'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:250:in  
`create_or_update'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/base.rb:1392:in  
`save_without_validation'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/validations.rb: 
724:in `save_without_transactions'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb: 
126:in `save'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb: 
126:in `transaction'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb: 
91:in `transaction'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb: 
118:in `transaction'
     /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb: 
126:in `save'
     /app/controllers/admin/content_controller.rb:90:in `new_or_edit'
     /app/controllers/admin/content_controller.rb:22:in `new'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:910:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:910:in  
`perform_action_without_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:368:in  
`perform_action_without_benchmark'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `measure'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb: 
69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in  
`perform_action'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:381:in  
`send'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:381:in  
`process_without_filters'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:377:in  
`process_without_session_management_support'
     /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/ 
session_management.rb:117:in `process'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:150:in `process_request'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:54:in `process!'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `each_cgi'
     /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each'
     /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `process!'
     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:23:in `process!'
     /usr/local/src/typo/public/dispatch.fcgi:24


any hints?

From dag at sonsorol.org  Thu May 18 22:13:04 2006
From: dag at sonsorol.org (Chris Dagdigian)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:13:04 -0400
Subject: [typo] any mars edit users working off trunk?
Message-ID: <9A634FE6-964C-4A29-B78B-131ADCB62CE5@sonsorol.org>


Hi folks,

I upgraded gridengine.info to trunk last week from a stable yet  
really ancient base version. The upgrade went very smoothly but I  
just noticed some issues when posting articles using Mars Edit 1.1.2.

The symptoms are as follows:

- post goes through fine, xmlrpc console shows no errors
- article summary shows up on the main page
- clicking on the article header to go to the full pieces produces a  
polite "article can't be found" error
- clicking on a tag (if it is new) will show a polite "tag does not  
exist" error
- article does not show up in category view or tag view

Once I login to Typo, select 'edit' and then 'save' everything is  
created and works fine.

Anyone else see this with external tools? Posting that partially  
works? My SVN info says Revision: 1053

Regards,
Chris





From trejkaz at trypticon.org  Thu May 18 22:36:56 2006
From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:36:56 +1000
Subject: [typo] any mars edit users working off trunk?
In-Reply-To: <9A634FE6-964C-4A29-B78B-131ADCB62CE5@sonsorol.org>
References: <9A634FE6-964C-4A29-B78B-131ADCB62CE5@sonsorol.org>
Message-ID: <537CE051-0B46-4314-AE69-A58BC87A8066@trypticon.org>

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On 19/05/2006, at 12:13 PM, Chris Dagdigian wrote:
> I upgraded gridengine.info to trunk last week from a stable yet
> really ancient base version. The upgrade went very smoothly but I
> just noticed some issues when posting articles using Mars Edit 1.1.2.
>
> The symptoms are as follows:
>
> - post goes through fine, xmlrpc console shows no errors
> - article summary shows up on the main page
> - clicking on the article header to go to the full pieces produces a
> polite "article can't be found" error
> - clicking on a tag (if it is new) will show a polite "tag does not
> exist" error
> - article does not show up in category view or tag view
>
> Once I login to Typo, select 'edit' and then 'save' everything is
> created and works fine.
>
> Anyone else see this with external tools? Posting that partially
> works? My SVN info says Revision: 1053

I was getting that a while back, in my case though it was because  
publishing via MarsEdit wasn't setting the 'published' flag.   I've  
since switched to Ecto, which for some reason didn't exhibit the  
problem on exactly the same version of Typo.  Never really understood  
why.

Your issue could be different though, because in my case I didn't  
just have to hit edit and save, I had to set the published flag  
manually too.

TX

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From mike at uwmike.com  Fri May 19 09:40:15 2006
From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:40:15 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
Message-ID: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I was on the typo mailing list about a year ago, but I seem to be having
problems again. I'm not sure if it's just that Dreamhost is crappy for RoR,
but on the whole, I've found running Typo a very frustrating experience.
(you know, apart from the occasional periods where it would run perfectly
fine and be terrific... I really appreciate all the hard work the devs have
put into making Typo great, I just wish I could get it going more reliably
for myself.)

Anyhow, I upgraded to r1053, which seemed to be okay, except for a bug where
saving an article automatically published it. I tried 'svn up'-ing to r1054,
which broke everything, so I downgraded again. Everything had seemed fine
last night, but now I'm getting 500s in the browser, and this on the
command-line:

[foothill]$ ./dispatch.fcgi
./../config/boot.rb:7:in `require': no such file to load -- pathname
(LoadError)
        from ./../config/boot.rb:7
        from ./../config/environment.rb:8:in `require'
        from ./../config/environment.rb:8
        from ./dispatch.fcgi:21:in `require'
        from ./dispatch.fcgi:21

Any input or suggestions would be welcome.

Mike
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From bronson at rinspin.com  Fri May 19 10:29:46 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:46 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 09:40 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
> I was on the typo mailing list about a year ago, but I seem to be
> having problems again. I'm not sure if it's just that Dreamhost is
> crappy for RoR, but on the whole, I've found running Typo a very
> frustrating experience. (you know, apart from the occasional periods
> where it would run perfectly fine and be terrific... I really
> appreciate all the hard work the devs have put into making Typo great,
> I just wish I could get it going more reliably for myself.) 

Just checking: rails is frozen in vendor/ right?  If not, then that's
why it's so unstable.  Other than the latency from their machines being
so drastically overcommitted, personally I don't find DH to be too bad.

I feel your pain.  I'm wondering if Typo is starting to pull a
Debian...?  The stable version is hopelessly out of date and the
development version is often breaking in new and strange ways, leaving
no version suitable for production usage.  Just a thought.

    - Scott




From mike at uwmike.com  Fri May 19 10:48:15 2006
From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:48:15 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
Message-ID: <d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Scott,

Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?

I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific revision
of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I check if that's
what's actually being used?

I know that at various times, I've installed my own ruby *and* rails,
although I was fairly sure I'd been running Dreamhost's ruby and Dreamhost's
rails. Indeed a "whereis rails" from my shell shows "/usr/bin/rails". On the
other hand, when I navigate to /usr/bin, there's no rails to be found...

Is it just a matter of (somewhere) pointing that missing pathname variable
to vendor/rails?

Mike


On 5/19/06, Scott Bronson <bronson at rinspin.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 09:40 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
> > I was on the typo mailing list about a year ago, but I seem to be
> > having problems again. I'm not sure if it's just that Dreamhost is
> > crappy for RoR, but on the whole, I've found running Typo a very
> > frustrating experience. (you know, apart from the occasional periods
> > where it would run perfectly fine and be terrific... I really
> > appreciate all the hard work the devs have put into making Typo great,
> > I just wish I could get it going more reliably for myself.)
>
> Just checking: rails is frozen in vendor/ right?  If not, then that's
> why it's so unstable.  Other than the latency from their machines being
> so drastically overcommitted, personally I don't find DH to be too bad.
>
> I feel your pain.  I'm wondering if Typo is starting to pull a
> Debian...?  The stable version is hopelessly out of date and the
> development version is often breaking in new and strange ways, leaving
> no version suitable for production usage.  Just a thought.
>
>     - Scott
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From jake at whoisjake.com  Fri May 19 11:07:49 2006
From: jake at whoisjake.com (Jake Good)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:07:49 -0500
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>

I'm having trouble as of today on DH. Blog was running fine yesterday...

When I try to run script/console I get

[scagnetti]$ ./script/console
./script/../config/boot.rb:7:in `require': no such file to load -- 
pathname (LoadError)
        from ./script/../config/boot.rb:7
        from ./script/console:2:in `require'
        from ./script/console:2

And in my access.log I get this.

[Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: comm 
with (dynamic) server 
"/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi" 
aborted: (first read) idle timeout (120 sec)
[Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: 
incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server 
"/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi"


Mike Purvis wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?
>
> I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific 
> revision of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I check 
> if that's what's actually being used?
>
> I know that at various times, I've installed my own ruby *and* rails, 
> although I was fairly sure I'd been running Dreamhost's ruby and 
> Dreamhost's rails. Indeed a "whereis rails" from my shell shows 
> "/usr/bin/rails". On the other hand, when I navigate to /usr/bin, 
> there's no rails to be found...
>
> Is it just a matter of (somewhere) pointing that missing pathname 
> variable to vendor/rails?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 5/19/06, *Scott Bronson* < bronson at rinspin.com 
> <mailto:bronson at rinspin.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 09:40 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
>     > I was on the typo mailing list about a year ago, but I seem to be
>     > having problems again. I'm not sure if it's just that Dreamhost is
>     > crappy for RoR, but on the whole, I've found running Typo a very
>     > frustrating experience. (you know, apart from the occasional periods
>     > where it would run perfectly fine and be terrific... I really
>     > appreciate all the hard work the devs have put into making Typo
>     great,
>     > I just wish I could get it going more reliably for myself.)
>
>     Just checking: rails is frozen in vendor/ right?  If not, then that's
>     why it's so unstable.  Other than the latency from their machines
>     being
>     so drastically overcommitted, personally I don't find DH to be too
>     bad.
>
>     I feel your pain.  I'm wondering if Typo is starting to pull a
>     Debian...?  The stable version is hopelessly out of date and the
>     development version is often breaking in new and strange ways,
>     leaving
>     no version suitable for production usage.  Just a thought.
>
>         - Scott
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Typo-list mailing list
>     Typo-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Typo-list at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list

From jake at whoisjake.com  Fri May 19 11:15:49 2006
From: jake at whoisjake.com (Jake Good)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:15:49 -0500
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>
Message-ID: <446DE125.3080301@whoisjake.com>

p.s. I was running an old version (frozen rails 1.0)... so I backed up 
and updated to HEAD of trunk and am still getting the same problems... 
with frozen rails 1.1.

Jake Good wrote:
> I'm having trouble as of today on DH. Blog was running fine yesterday...
>
> When I try to run script/console I get
>
> [scagnetti]$ ./script/console
> ./script/../config/boot.rb:7:in `require': no such file to load -- 
> pathname (LoadError)
>         from ./script/../config/boot.rb:7
>         from ./script/console:2:in `require'
>         from ./script/console:2
>
> And in my access.log I get this.
>
> [Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: comm 
> with (dynamic) server 
> "/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi" 
> aborted: (first read) idle timeout (120 sec)
> [Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: 
> incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server 
> "/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi"
>
>
> Mike Purvis wrote:
>   
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?
>>
>> I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific 
>> revision of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I check 
>> if that's what's actually being used?
>>
>> I know that at various times, I've installed my own ruby *and* rails, 
>> although I was fairly sure I'd been running Dreamhost's ruby and 
>> Dreamhost's rails. Indeed a "whereis rails" from my shell shows 
>> "/usr/bin/rails". On the other hand, when I navigate to /usr/bin, 
>> there's no rails to be found...
>>
>> Is it just a matter of (somewhere) pointing that missing pathname 
>> variable to vendor/rails?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 5/19/06, *Scott Bronson* < bronson at rinspin.com 
>> <mailto:bronson at rinspin.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 09:40 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
>>     > I was on the typo mailing list about a year ago, but I seem to be
>>     > having problems again. I'm not sure if it's just that Dreamhost is
>>     > crappy for RoR, but on the whole, I've found running Typo a very
>>     > frustrating experience. (you know, apart from the occasional periods
>>     > where it would run perfectly fine and be terrific... I really
>>     > appreciate all the hard work the devs have put into making Typo
>>     great,
>>     > I just wish I could get it going more reliably for myself.)
>>
>>     Just checking: rails is frozen in vendor/ right?  If not, then that's
>>     why it's so unstable.  Other than the latency from their machines
>>     being
>>     so drastically overcommitted, personally I don't find DH to be too
>>     bad.
>>
>>     I feel your pain.  I'm wondering if Typo is starting to pull a
>>     Debian...?  The stable version is hopelessly out of date and the
>>     development version is often breaking in new and strange ways,
>>     leaving
>>     no version suitable for production usage.  Just a thought.
>>
>>         - Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Typo-list mailing list
>>     Typo-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Typo-list at rubyforge.org>
>>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Typo-list mailing list
>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
>   

From mike at uwmike.com  Fri May 19 11:17:19 2006
From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>
Message-ID: <d9b01a0605190817y33998fcfx8b3732c5a4a5d88b@mail.gmail.com>

Cool, glad to know it's not all me. Once I couldn't even "rake migrate" from
the prompt, I wondered if maybe DH had pulled another surprise upgrade on
us.

I submitted a support request about an hour ago; haven't heard anything.

Mike


On 5/19/06, Jake Good <jake at whoisjake.com> wrote:
>
> I'm having trouble as of today on DH. Blog was running fine yesterday...
>
> When I try to run script/console I get
>
> [scagnetti]$ ./script/console
> ./script/../config/boot.rb:7:in `require': no such file to load --
> pathname (LoadError)
>         from ./script/../config/boot.rb:7
>         from ./script/console:2:in `require'
>         from ./script/console:2
>
> And in my access.log I get this.
>
> [Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: comm
> with (dynamic) server
> "/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi"
> aborted: (first read) idle timeout (120 sec)
> [Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI:
> incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server
> "/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi"
>
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From jake at whoisjake.com  Fri May 19 11:26:27 2006
From: jake at whoisjake.com (Jake Good)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:26:27 -0500
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <446DE125.3080301@whoisjake.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>	<446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>
	<446DE125.3080301@whoisjake.com>
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It looks like a problem with Ruby on a few servers at DH. I emailed 
support using their OMG PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE severity...

Even running a simple gem list --local on the server results in this

[scagnetti]$ gem list --local
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:1:in `require': no such file to 
load -- rbconfig (LoadError)
        from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:1
        from /usr/bin/gem:3:in `require'
        from /usr/bin/gem:3


Jake Good wrote:
> p.s. I was running an old version (frozen rails 1.0)... so I backed up 
> and updated to HEAD of trunk and am still getting the same problems... 
> with frozen rails 1.1.
>
> Jake Good wrote:
>   
>> I'm having trouble as of today on DH. Blog was running fine yesterday...
>>
>> When I try to run script/console I get
>>
>> [scagnetti]$ ./script/console
>> ./script/../config/boot.rb:7:in `require': no such file to load -- 
>> pathname (LoadError)
>>         from ./script/../config/boot.rb:7
>>         from ./script/console:2:in `require'
>>         from ./script/console:2
>>
>> And in my access.log I get this.
>>
>> [Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: comm 
>> with (dynamic) server 
>> "/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi" 
>> aborted: (first read) idle timeout (120 sec)
>> [Fri May 19 08:04:20 2006] [error] [client 71.39.198.114] FastCGI: 
>> incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server 
>> "/home/thoughtstoblog/sites/thoughtstoblog.com/public/dispatch.fcgi"
>>
>>
>> Mike Purvis wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?
>>>
>>> I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific 
>>> revision of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I check 
>>> if that's what's actually being used?
>>>
>>> I know that at various times, I've installed my own ruby *and* rails, 
>>> although I was fairly sure I'd been running Dreamhost's ruby and 
>>> Dreamhost's rails. Indeed a "whereis rails" from my shell shows 
>>> "/usr/bin/rails". On the other hand, when I navigate to /usr/bin, 
>>> there's no rails to be found...
>>>
>>> Is it just a matter of (somewhere) pointing that missing pathname 
>>> variable to vendor/rails?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/19/06, *Scott Bronson* < bronson at rinspin.com 
>>> <mailto:bronson at rinspin.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 09:40 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
>>>     > I was on the typo mailing list about a year ago, but I seem to be
>>>     > having problems again. I'm not sure if it's just that Dreamhost is
>>>     > crappy for RoR, but on the whole, I've found running Typo a very
>>>     > frustrating experience. (you know, apart from the occasional periods
>>>     > where it would run perfectly fine and be terrific... I really
>>>     > appreciate all the hard work the devs have put into making Typo
>>>     great,
>>>     > I just wish I could get it going more reliably for myself.)
>>>
>>>     Just checking: rails is frozen in vendor/ right?  If not, then that's
>>>     why it's so unstable.  Other than the latency from their machines
>>>     being
>>>     so drastically overcommitted, personally I don't find DH to be too
>>>     bad.
>>>
>>>     I feel your pain.  I'm wondering if Typo is starting to pull a
>>>     Debian...?  The stable version is hopelessly out of date and the
>>>     development version is often breaking in new and strange ways,
>>>     leaving
>>>     no version suitable for production usage.  Just a thought.
>>>
>>>         - Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Typo-list mailing list
>>>     Typo-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Typo-list at rubyforge.org>
>>>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Typo-list mailing list
>>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>>     
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Typo-list mailing list
>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>>
>>   
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
>   

From josh at hasmanythrough.com  Fri May 19 11:30:25 2006
From: josh at hasmanythrough.com (Josh Susser)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:30:25 -0700
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8F69360-2725-42F5-82AD-5D96E6D615DC@hasmanythrough.com>


On May 19, 2006, at 7:48 AM, Mike Purvis wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?
>
> I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific  
> revision of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I  
> check if that's what's actually being used?

Use the script/about command in your Rails project.  It will tell you  
the versions of Rails and all the gems being used. If you're running  
off trunk it shows the svn version number as "Edge Rails revision".

--
Josh Susser
http://blog.hasmanythrough.com



From bronson at rinspin.com  Fri May 19 11:35:54 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:35:54 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1148052954.5680.140.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 10:48 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?

$ ls vendor/rails
actionmailer  actionwebservice  activesupport
actionpack    activerecord      railties

Any other result means that you will suffer every time DreamHost
upgrades its version of rails.


> I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific
> revision of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I check
> if that's what's actually being used? 

Looks like you are frozen.  Good.  I don't know how to verify that those
are indeed the versions being used but I wouldn't worry about it much.


> I know that at various times, I've installed my own ruby *and* rails,
> although I was fairly sure I'd been running Dreamhost's ruby and
> Dreamhost's rails. Indeed a "whereis rails" from my shell shows
> "/usr/bin/rails". On the other hand, when I navigate to /usr/bin,
> there's no rails to be found... 
> 
> Is it just a matter of (somewhere) pointing that missing pathname
> variable to vendor/rails?

Actually, my blog is down too.  I'm getting errors about missing
standard Ruby modules in my logs and, as you noticed, the rails command
is MIA.  Looks like DreamHost has broken Rails worldwide.

[holt]$ /usr/lib/ruby/ruby/gems/1.8/bin/rails --version
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:1:in `require': no such file to
load -- rbconfig (LoadError)
        from /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:1
        from /usr/lib/ruby/ruby/gems/1.8/bin/rails:9:in `require'
        from /usr/lib/ruby/ruby/gems/1.8/bin/rails:9

Not much you or I can do except investigate alternative hosting.  Bogus.

    - Scott









From mike at uwmike.com  Fri May 19 11:40:01 2006
From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:40:01 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <F8F69360-2725-42F5-82AD-5D96E6D615DC@hasmanythrough.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<F8F69360-2725-42F5-82AD-5D96E6D615DC@hasmanythrough.com>
Message-ID: <d9b01a0605190840x2a5e5c22s84ae3804cab3d1a3@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, well then, it's definitely a rails install gone AWOL:

[foothill]$ ./script/about
./script/../config/boot.rb:7:in `require': no such file to load -- pathname
(LoadError)
        from ./script/../config/boot.rb:7
        from ./script/about:2:in `require'
        from ./script/about:2

How do I get it to use the Rails that's inside /vender?

Mike


On 5/19/06, Josh Susser <josh at hasmanythrough.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 19, 2006, at 7:48 AM, Mike Purvis wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?
> >
> > I observe that when I run the svn upgrade, it pulls in a specific
> > revision of Rails and places it in that directory, but how do I
> > check if that's what's actually being used?
>
> Use the script/about command in your Rails project.  It will tell you
> the versions of Rails and all the gems being used. If you're running
> off trunk it shows the svn version number as "Edge Rails revision".
>
> --
> Josh Susser
> http://blog.hasmanythrough.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From smountcastle at gmail.com  Fri May 19 13:49:08 2006
From: smountcastle at gmail.com (Sean Mountcastle)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:49:08 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
Message-ID: <c4d54c6f0605191049w310627c4hbdd4b2742b3d3865@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

> Ah, well then, it's definitely a rails install gone AWOL:

It's a DreamHost specific problem as I have Rails apps hosted on both
DH and TextDrive. They botched the Ruby gems installation (the path to
it) and so all Rails apps were failing. This issue was resolved around
10:30am PDT today, so your Rails app (Typo) should be back up now.

Sean

From meta at pobox.com  Fri May 19 13:51:53 2006
From: meta at pobox.com (mathew)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:51:53 -0500
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <446DE3A3.4020004@whoisjake.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>	<446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com>	<446DE125.3080301@whoisjake.com>
	<446DE3A3.4020004@whoisjake.com>
Message-ID: <446E05B9.4060300@pobox.com>

If you want a good revision of typo trunk, I've been having luck with 
1039 and Rails 1.1.1.

Posting works, admin works, after some initial flakiness it has been 
running for weeks.


mathew

From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 19 13:57:10 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:57:10 -0500
Subject: [typo] GoogieSpell
Message-ID: <56cb61e806f217388d863a63ee23883e@pepe.cryer.us>

Has anyone looked at implementing GoogieSpell http://amix.dk/projects/?page_id=3 into Typo?  We've started running it with Roundcube webmail, and it's pretty slick.  Only issue is that it 'phones home' to Google with your data to check, but next we plan on making this use a local aspell instance.  Anyway, there is a link for 'Alex MacCaw's Ruby on Rails hack' http://amix.dk/projects/uploads/sendReq.rb - could this be used in Typo to Spell check at least articles, if not pages and comments too?

P 
-- 
http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it


From scott at sigkill.org  Fri May 19 14:04:57 2006
From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:04:57 -0700
Subject: [typo] GoogieSpell
In-Reply-To: <56cb61e806f217388d863a63ee23883e@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <56cb61e806f217388d863a63ee23883e@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <14b7e5ef0605191104m41deea5eh310e244477ee6075@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm.  From the page:
<script type="text/javascript">  var googie1 = new GoogieSpell("googiespell/","http://www.google.com/tbproxy/spell?lang=");  googie1.decorateTextarea("ta1");</script>
Speaking as someone, er, involved, with the server referred to here,I'm not sure I'm all that fond of this hack.  OTOH, if it's easy toset up a local aspell instance, then I'd *love* to see something likethis in Typo.

Scott
On 5/19/06, phil <phil at cryer.us> wrote:> Has anyone looked at implementing GoogieSpell http://amix.dk/projects/?page_id=3 into Typo?  We've started running it with Roundcube webmail, and it's pretty slick.  Only issue is that it 'phones home' to Google with your data to check, but next we plan on making this use a local aspell instance.  Anyway, there is a link for 'Alex MacCaw's Ruby on Rails hack' http://amix.dk/projects/uploads/sendReq.rb - could this be used in Typo to Spell check at least articles, if not pages and comments too?>> P> --> http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it>> _______________________________________________> Typo-list mailing list> Typo-list at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list>

From phil at cryer.us  Fri May 19 14:21:35 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (Phil Cryer)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:21:35 -0500
Subject: [typo] GoogieSpell
In-Reply-To: <14b7e5ef0605191104m41deea5eh310e244477ee6075@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14b7e5ef0605191104m41deea5eh310e244477ee6075@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09a91c8ac2930265b9f6eb054a8173c0@pepe.cryer.us>



On Fri, 19 May 2006 11:04:57 -0700, "Scott Laird" <scott at sigkill.org> wrote:
> Hmm.  From the page:
> 
> <script type="text/javascript">
>   var googie1 = new GoogieSpell("googiespell/",
> "http://www.google.com/tbproxy/spell?lang=");
>   googie1.decorateTextarea("ta1");
> </script>
> 
> Speaking as someone, er, involved, with the server referred to here,
> I'm not sure I'm all that fond of this hack.  OTOH, if it's easy to
> set up a local aspell instance, then I'd *love* to see something like
> this in Typo.


Understood, I'll let you know when we get it to that point, thanks.

P


> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/19/06, phil <phil at cryer.us> wrote:
>> Has anyone looked at implementing GoogieSpell
> http://amix.dk/projects/?page_id=3 into Typo?  We've started running it
> with Roundcube webmail, and it's pretty slick.  Only issue is that it
> 'phones home' to Google with your data to check, but next we plan on
> making this use a local aspell instance.  Anyway, there is a link for
> 'Alex MacCaw's Ruby on Rails hack'
> http://amix.dk/projects/uploads/sendReq.rb - could this be used in Typo to
> Spell check at least articles, if not pages and comments too?
>>
>> P
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From mike at uwmike.com  Fri May 19 18:22:25 2006
From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:22:25 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <446E05B9.4060300@pobox.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<446DDF45.8070006@whoisjake.com> <446DE125.3080301@whoisjake.com>
	<446DE3A3.4020004@whoisjake.com> <446E05B9.4060300@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <d9b01a0605191522n66a229d2ve9d788cab889bac3@mail.gmail.com>

Even with Dreamhost having Rails back up, I still seem to be having some
difficulties. I've got a shell open tailing the dev log, and some requests
are working, but others throw up stuff like this:

SystemExit in Articles#index

Showing *themes/dime/views/articles/_article.rhtml* where line *#0* raised:

exit

Extracted source (around line *#0*):

1: <h2><%= article_link article.title, article %></h2>
2: <p class="auth">Posted <span class="author">by <%=
author_link(article) %></span>
3: <%= js_distance_of_time_in_words_to_now article.created_at %></p>

Trace of template inclusion: /themes/dime/views/articles/index.rhtml

RAILS_ROOT: ../config/..
 Application Trace <http://uwmike.com/articles/page/3#> | Framework
Trace<http://uwmike.com/articles/page/3#>| Full
Trace <http://uwmike.com/articles/page/3#>

 #{RAILS_ROOT}/vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:126:in `exit'
#{RAILS_ROOT}/vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:126:in
`exit_now_handler'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `to_proc'
#{RAILS_ROOT}/vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:114:in `call'

 #{RAILS_ROOT}/vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:126:in `exit'
#{RAILS_ROOT}/vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:126:in
`exit_now_handler'
/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `to_proc'
#{RAILS_ROOT}/vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:114:in `call'

 Request

*Parameters*: {"page"=>"3"}

Show session dump <http://uwmike.com/articles/page/3#>

---

Response *Headers*: {"cookie"=>[], "Cache-Control"=>"no-cache"}
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From bronson at rinspin.com  Sat May 20 11:46:13 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:46:13 -0400
Subject: [typo] Corner Rat having pathname trouble in boot.rb
In-Reply-To: <F8F69360-2725-42F5-82AD-5D96E6D615DC@hasmanythrough.com>
References: <d9b01a0605190640w5bf70b61k83956daa43cf28b3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1148048986.5680.128.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<d9b01a0605190748la6e3e5bj9baf855a2440fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<F8F69360-2725-42F5-82AD-5D96E6D615DC@hasmanythrough.com>
Message-ID: <1148139973.5680.179.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 08:30 -0700, Josh Susser wrote:
> On May 19, 2006, at 7:48 AM, Mike Purvis wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply. How would I determine if Rails is frozen?
> Use the script/about command in your Rails project.  It will tell you  
> the versions of Rails and all the gems being used. If you're running  
> off trunk it shows the svn version number as "Edge Rails revision".

But it doesn't tell you if you're running frozen gems from /vendor or
the globally-installed Rails.

Is there any way to determine this?

    - Scott




From bronson at rinspin.com  Sat May 20 12:05:44 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:05:44 -0400
Subject: [typo] Turning trackbacks off - for sure
In-Reply-To: <pan.2006.05.05.16.54.04.72349@tower-net.de>
References: <ABBB23FE-6EE9-41BA-9B53-CF69655BAD3D@gmail.com>
	<pan.2006.05.05.16.54.04.72349@tower-net.de>
Message-ID: <1148141144.5680.187.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 18:54 +0200, Markus Kolb wrote:
> On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:47:16 +0100, Gary Shewan wrote:
> 
> > I've noticed an increase in spam attacks targeted specifically at Typo.
> > 
> > I opened Ticket #848 because although I had Typo set to block  
> > trackbacks they were still getting through.  I think this is because  
> > that option only applies to anything *after* you set that value.
> > UPDATE `contents` SET `allow_pings` =0
> See ticket #860 http://typosphere.org/trac/ticket/860 for a patch which
> adds a new setting "Allow pings for blog". Disabling this should stop
> trackbacking spam for the whole blog. The existing option for the
> trackback default value only sets the default value for new articles in
> the advanced options (allow pings). This can be toggled per article.

This seems like rather an important feature...  What are the chances of
the patch in #860 getting applied?

Thanks,

    - Scott




From pratiknaik at gmail.com  Sun May 21 03:28:13 2006
From: pratiknaik at gmail.com (Pratik)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:28:13 -0700
Subject: [typo] Once again - Multiuser typo
Message-ID: <9212531d0605210028v51270c0csd570bb36bd24cc2b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm not sure if the current typo supports multi user blogs using
subdomains or not. But I think it'd be fairly simple to do it outside
the box by just dynamically modifying database.yml settings. I'm sure
I saw some guide on how to do it, but cannot find it. It'd be great if
someone can show me some pointers.

Thanks,
Pratik
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From phil at cryer.us  Mon May 22 13:25:23 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [typo] PHP cgi/cgi-fcgi etc won't work with Typo and Drupal
Message-ID: <5054967ec44240dfa0f57c8387877515@pepe.cryer.us>

On my old server I'm running Typo and Drupal, but I was unable to get both of them to work at the same time; I'd recompile the php to have the cgi-fcgi, it'd work for Typo, allow me to run Lighttpd, but then Drupal wouldn't work.  I ended up falling back to webrick for Typo, and Apache as I always had it for Drupal; typo does the modproxy/rewrite over to localhost:3000 for webrick to handle Typo.

Now I'm building a new server, have cgi-fcgi installed and running so Typo runs with Lighttpd, cool, but now when I try to install Drupal from FreeBSD ports it explains why I had trouble getting the two to run:


[12:18:57] [root at chavez /usr/ports/www/drupal]# make install
This port requires the Apache Module or the CGI version of PHP, but you have
already installed a PHP port without them.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/drupal.

[12:19:15] [root at chavez /usr/ports/www/drupal]# php -v
PHP 5.1.2 (cgi-fcgi) (built: May  1 2006 01:49:37)
Copyright (c) 1997-2006 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.1.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2006 Zend Technologies

So, what do I have to do to get both installed/working so that Typo can use Lighttpd, and Apache can still use php to run Drupal?  I already have fcgi-2.4.0 installed, is there a way Apache can use this?  If the only solution is to use Apache for Typo and Drupal I'm ok with that too, just don't want to have to keep using webrick.

Thanks

P
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From phil at cryer.us  Mon May 22 17:00:55 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (Phil Cryer)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:00:55 -0500
Subject: [typo] PHP cgi/cgi-fcgi etc won't work with Typo and Drupal
In-Reply-To: <447213DF.6070207@flyingwalrus.net>
References: <447213DF.6070207@flyingwalrus.net>
Message-ID: <0ba2895a5f925bb4cea9b09aa95db2da@pepe.cryer.us>



On Mon, 22 May 2006 12:41:19 -0700, Ben Calvert <ben at flyingwalrus.net> wrote:
> 
> Phil - I'm not entirely sure if you're asking
> 
>     1. how to run lighttpd and apache simultaneously
> or 2. how to run rails/typo and drupal simultaneously

Ben

I currently have:
currently I have have
webrick/Typo (on :3000) with Apache (on :80) doing the mod_proxy, mod_rewrite shuffle with all PHP apps working on Apache 

I want to get:
lighttpd/Typo (on :3000) with Apache (on :80) doing the mod_proxy, mod_rewrite shuffle *and* still having PHP apps work on Apache (Drupal is just an example of one, I also rely on Roundcube webmail, which is PHP, and Gallery), which they currently do not.  If I just recompile PHP I'll mess with my current PHP 5.1.2 (cgi-fcgi) config lost (this is what happend on the old box, I could get each (Typo, and PHP apps) to work, but not at the same time!
 
> but in either case, I would recommend installing drupal from source
> instead of ports.  FreeBSD ports assumes that you want to run apache for
> everything and as soon as you do anything more interesting than that it
> gets confused.

I actually have Drupal installed from source, or at least all the PHP, since I run the latest, 4.7 on my current box.  I tried the install of the port just to have it take care of the deps, so I was hoping this message is telling.

> alternatively, you can standardize on apache, run mod_php for php, and
> fastcgi for rails apps.  I personally like lighttpd better than apache
> for most things, but this is a matter of personal preference.

I do have mod_fcgi installed for Apache, if I can't get the above to work I'd just like to use Apache for everything (tried moving everything to Lighttpd, but after 5 years I have a somewhat complicated httpd.conf, and I'm not having success duplicating some of the syntax in lighttpd.conf.  I'm not giving up, but want to get my new box up first, then work on migrating over to Light)

Thanks!

P


> 
> cheers,
> 
> Ben
> 
> phil wrote:
>> On my old server I'm running Typo and Drupal, but I was unable to get
> both of them to work at the same time; I'd recompile the php to have the
> cgi-fcgi, it'd work for Typo, allow me to run Lighttpd, but then Drupal
> wouldn't work.  I ended up falling back to webrick for Typo, and Apache as
> I always had it for Drupal; typo does the modproxy/rewrite over to
> localhost:3000 for webrick to handle Typo.
>>
>> Now I'm building a new server, have cgi-fcgi installed and running so
> Typo runs with Lighttpd, cool, but now when I try to install Drupal from
> FreeBSD ports it explains why I had trouble getting the two to run:
>>
>>
>> [12:18:57] [root at chavez /usr/ports/www/drupal]# make install
>> This port requires the Apache Module or the CGI version of PHP, but you
> have
>> already installed a PHP port without them.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/ports/www/drupal.
>>
>> [12:19:15] [root at chavez /usr/ports/www/drupal]# php -v
>> PHP 5.1.2 (cgi-fcgi) (built: May  1 2006 01:49:37)
>> Copyright (c) 1997-2006 The PHP Group
>> Zend Engine v2.1.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2006 Zend Technologies
>>
>> So, what do I have to do to get both installed/working so that Typo can
> use Lighttpd, and Apache can still use php to run Drupal?  I already have
> fcgi-2.4.0 installed, is there a way Apache can use this?  If the only
> solution is to use Apache for Typo and Drupal I'm ok with that too, just
> don't want to have to keep using webrick.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> P
>>


From toby-wan-kenobi at web.de  Wed May 24 03:06:29 2006
From: toby-wan-kenobi at web.de (Tobias Rademacher)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:06:29 +0200
Subject: [typo] =?iso-8859-15?q?Frustrated=3A_NoMethodError_=27stringify?=
 =?iso-8859-15?q?=5Fkeys!=27_for_Typo/Rails_on_Debain/Sarge?=
Message-ID: <487503733@web.de>

Hey Typo-Users,

due to a server crash I had to chance my RootServer Provider. This includes a chance of the underlying OS form Fedora Core to Debian Sarge.

Installing Rails is not the problem on Debian (although 1.8.2 is avaiable only). Getting fcgi running seems to a nightmare (no package avaialbe for amd64).  So I decided
to go with fcgid which seem to work. But I realized that rails/typo itself have some problems. I proofed this by running typo "standalone" using the server script. On other systems I encounter no problems on  other systems (fedora, xp)
when running typo for development and test . This is a problem of the old ruby version?

Her e is one sample backtrace:

NoMethodError (undefined method `stringify_keys!' for ["test", "test"]:Array):
    /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/base.rb:1333:in `attributes='
    /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/base.rb:1188:in `initialize_without_callbacks'
    /vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:236:in `initialize'
    app/controllers/admin/content_controller.rb:23:in `new'
    app/controllers/admin/content_controller.rb:23:in `new'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:853:in `send'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:853:in `perform_action_without_filters'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:332:in `perform_action_without_benchmark'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in `measure'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in `perform_action_without_rescue'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in `perform_acti
on'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in `send'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in `process_without_session_management_support'
    /vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/session_management.rb:116:in `process'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/webrick_server.rb:117:in `handle_dispatch'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/webrick_server.rb:83:in `service'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:104:in `service'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:65:in `run'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:172:in `start_thread'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:104:in `service'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:65:in `run'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:172:in `start_thread'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:161:in `start'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:161:in `start_thread'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:95:in `start'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:92:in `each'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:92:in `start'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:82:in `start'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:82:in `start'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/webrick_server.rb:69:in `dispatch'
    script/server:49

ruby version is: ruby 1.8.2 (2005-04-11) [x86_64-linux]
gem verson: 0.8.11

*** LOCAL GEMS ***

actionmailer (1.2.1)
    Service layer for easy email delivery and testing.

actionpack (1.12.1)
    Web-flow and rendering framework putting the VC in MVC.

actionwebservice (1.1.2)
    Web service support for Action Pack.

activerecord (1.14.2)
    Implements the ActiveRecord pattern for ORM.

activesupport (1.3.1)
    Support and utility classes used by the Rails framework.

postgres-pr (0.4.0)
    A pure Ruby interface to the PostgreSQL (>= 7.4) database

rails (1.1.2)
    Web-application framework with template engine, control-flow layer,
    and ORM.

rake (0.7.1)
    Ruby based make-like utility.

sources (0.0.1)
    This package provides download sources for remote gem installation

The problem occurs using: 

* Typo 2.6.0_with-rails distribution
* latest svn trunk

Any thought, hints is _highly_ appricated as I am running in complete frustration :-(
I've already studied several tutorials I found with a google search, so please do not reffering them. It won't work for me and typo.

Thx 

Toby

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From toby-wan-kenobi at web.de  Wed May 24 04:06:21 2006
From: toby-wan-kenobi at web.de (Tobias Rademacher)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:06:21 +0200
Subject: [typo] Once again - Multiuser typo
Message-ID: <487532638@web.de>

Hi Patrik

<I'm not sure if the current typo supports multi user blogs using
<subdomains or not. 

As you can seen on the WishList ist on the RoadMap for a future - release 4.0+ - :

http://www.typosphere.org/trac/wiki/TypoWishlist

As it is not implement at this moment you are alsoe able to write a UserStory (http://www.typosphere.org/trac/report/13) if the current  issue (http://www.typosphere.org/trac/ticket/343) is not exact enough.

Enjoy,

Toby
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From pratiknaik at gmail.com  Wed May 24 07:03:26 2006
From: pratiknaik at gmail.com (Pratik)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:33:26 +0530
Subject: [typo] Once again - Multiuser typo
In-Reply-To: <487532638@web.de>
References: <487532638@web.de>
Message-ID: <9212531d0605240403s61da552bq5e1148fdcb24ad3b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Toby.

http://sg.validcode.at/articles/2005/12/04/how-to-host-multiple-blogs-with-on-typo-installation
This is exactly what I was looking for.

I don't want to spark a whole new debate on adding support for multi
blog in core typo, but I personally feel it'd be better to do it
outside the box, as very very few ppl will be interested in that, and
it'll probably just bloat the typo.

Just a thought.

Thanks,
Pratik

On 5/24/06, Tobias Rademacher <toby-wan-kenobi at web.de> wrote:
> Hi Patrik
>
> <I'm not sure if the current typo supports multi user blogs using
> <subdomains or not.
>
> As you can seen on the WishList ist on the RoadMap for a future - release 4.0+ - :
>
> http://www.typosphere.org/trac/wiki/TypoWishlist
>
> As it is not implement at this moment you are alsoe able to write a UserStory (http://www.typosphere.org/trac/report/13) if the current  issue (http://www.typosphere.org/trac/ticket/343) is not exact enough.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Toby
> --
> Visit my Weblog @ http://www.jroller.com/page/tradem
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From toby-wan-kenobi at web.de  Wed May 24 10:04:01 2006
From: toby-wan-kenobi at web.de (Tobias Rademacher)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:04:01 +0200
Subject: [typo] SVN issue?
Message-ID: <487718220@web.de>

Dear Ian,

Have you tried to run the migration script (don't forget to pass RAILS_ENV with the correct type of enviroment you are using)?

Have phun,

Toby

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From lists at holsman.net  Wed May 24 18:01:53 2006
From: lists at holsman.net (Ian Holsman)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:01:53 +1000
Subject: [typo] SVN issue?
In-Reply-To: <487718220@web.de>
References: <487718220@web.de>
Message-ID: <B2346D32-134C-413C-9BA0-ED741FFC3991@holsman.net>

Hi Toby.
It ended up me enabling jabber notifications, and not having the  
jabber4r (or whatever it was called) library installed.
it's all working fine now (with mongrel I might add)

On 25/05/2006, at 12:04 AM, Tobias Rademacher wrote:

> Dear Ian,
>
> Have you tried to run the migration script (don't forget to pass  
> RAILS_ENV with the correct type of enviroment you are using)?
>
> Have phun,
>
> Toby
>
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From meta at pobox.com  Thu May 25 10:43:27 2006
From: meta at pobox.com (mathew)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:43:27 -0500
Subject: [typo] Once again - Multiuser typo
In-Reply-To: <9212531d0605240403s61da552bq5e1148fdcb24ad3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487532638@web.de>
	<9212531d0605240403s61da552bq5e1148fdcb24ad3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4475C28F.1080108@pobox.com>

Pratik wrote:
> I don't want to spark a whole new debate on adding support for multi
> blog in core typo, but I personally feel it'd be better to do it
> outside the box, as very very few ppl will be interested in that, and
> it'll probably just bloat the typo.

I agree with this. You can easily set up multiple blogs using OS/web 
host functionality, so why build it into typo at this early stage, when 
there's so much more important stuff to do?

e.g. OpenID support, authentication for regular commenters, ...


mathew

From justinj at justinj.org  Thu May 25 13:39:27 2006
From: justinj at justinj.org (Justin Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:39:27 -0500
Subject: [typo] Converter for TypePad
Message-ID: <94a776e70605251039t28ba038ag667cdc93e40ce8e@mail.gmail.com>

I've been working on a converter that takes a TypePad export file and
converts it to Typo.  I had this working for the latest stable
version, but then decided I wanted the latest SVN version.  I'm having
a hard time finding what I need to include in my hash when calling
Content.create.  The current version of my script is attached.  Below
are the errors I'm getting.

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

[typo/db/converters]$ ./typepad.rb --help
Usage: typepad.rb [options]
    -f, --file FILE                  Path to TypePad export file.
    -b, --blogname BLOGNAME          Name of blog defined in Typo.
    -h, --help                       Show this message.
[typo/db/converters]$ ./typepad.rb -f ~/export.txt -b justinj.org
Converting 112 entries...
Converting 'Disciples of Jesus in the Talmud'
../../config/../app/models/content_observer.rb:3:in
`populate_html_fields': wrong number of arguments (0 for 1)
(ArgumentError)
        from ../../config/../app/models/content_observer.rb:3:in `before_save'
        from ../../config/../vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/observer.rb:123:in
`update'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/observer.rb:185:in `notify_observers'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/observer.rb:184:in `notify_observers'
        from ../../config/../vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:364:in
`notify'
        from ../../config/../vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:328:in
`callback'
        from ../../config/../vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:248:in
`create_or_update'
        from ../../config/../vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/base.rb:1392:in
`save_without_validation'
         ... 7 levels...
        from ./typepad.rb:100:in `convert_entries'
        from ./typepad.rb:28:in `convert_entries'
        from ./typepad.rb:19:in `initialize'
        from ./typepad.rb:144
[typo/db/converters]$
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From meta at pobox.com  Thu May 25 13:51:44 2006
From: meta at pobox.com (mathew)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:51:44 -0500
Subject: [typo] "Blog can't be blank"
Message-ID: <4475EEB0.3030900@pobox.com>

Any attempt to post a reply to my site gets the error "Blog can't be blank".

Anyone else seen this? Known problem? Fix?


mathew

From toby-wan-kenobi at web.de  Fri May 26 02:43:03 2006
From: toby-wan-kenobi at web.de (Tobias Rademacher)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:43:03 +0200
Subject: [typo] "Blog can't be blank"
Message-ID: <488543417@web.de>

Dear Mathew,

>Anyone else seen this? Known problem? Fix?

It's a known problem.  A fix is available in typo's ticket track system:

=>  http://www.typosphere.org/trac/ticket/892

I realized yesterday that the PagesController is affected, too. I will provided an addional patch file immediately.

Hope this helps.

Toby

-- 
Visit my Weblog @ http://tradem.name/blog

From toby-wan-kenobi at web.de  Fri May 26 02:46:01 2006
From: toby-wan-kenobi at web.de (Tobias Rademacher)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:46:01 +0200
Subject: [typo]
 =?iso-8859-15?q?Frustrated=3A_NoMethodError_=27stringify_?=
 =?iso-8859-15?q?=5Fkeys!=27_for_Typo/Rails_on_Debain/Sarge?=
Message-ID: <488544784@web.de>

Hey folks,

<due to a server crash I had to chance my RootServer Provider. This includes a 
<chance of the underlying OS form Fedora Core to Debian Sarge.

After installing a couple of debian packages:

It works know! Heureka! ;)

Have phun.

Toby

-- 
Visit my Weblog @ http://tradem.name/blog

From joshknowles at gmail.com  Fri May 26 23:45:32 2006
From: joshknowles at gmail.com (Josh Knowles)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:45:32 -0700
Subject: [typo] Filters not being applied
Message-ID: <c18843c60605262045w504bfb95va5893fba0734f154@mail.gmail.com>

I have just installed Typo by pulling down the trunk out of svn.  I have
attempted to create a page using the Markdown filter.  Everything looks fine
in the preview window during page construction but when I save the page all
I get is the markup, not the rendered display, its like the filter isn't
being applied.

Am I missing a step?  Do I need to enable the default filters so that my
text is rendered correctly?  Why does it look fine in preview but not in the
final display.

Thanks!

Josh
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From ernieoporto at gmail.com  Sat May 27 12:23:16 2006
From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:23:16 -0400
Subject: [typo] RSS functions not working
Message-ID: <f91ac86d0605270923j52fd4b11j322102cb46a89642@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of RSS sidebars that do not work in trunk v1004.
The included Audioscrobbler does not pick up the feed from the last.fm site.
Is this a known issue and has it been fixed in later versions?
I have another plain RSS sidebar copied from Audioscrobbler, so once that
works I can get my other one working.

-- 
Ernie
http://www.shokk.com/blog/
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From gpsnospam at gmail.com  Sun May 28 08:40:12 2006
From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:40:12 +0100
Subject: [typo] Comment feed broken in trunk
Message-ID: <81D2D3E4-F889-4B7A-8A6A-383A0FEAA54E@gmail.com>

Just in case anybody missed this ticket in the flood of automated  
spam tickets lately (I did) - Jon Gretar discovered that comments are  
having blog_id set to 0.  This means the comment feed won't be  
updated.  I wondered why it was broken.

He opened a ticket (#904)

Definitely in r1054 and possibly for a while in trunk.

Ta

From jan at kneschke.de  Mon May 29 08:24:12 2006
From: jan at kneschke.de (Jan Kneschke)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:24:12 +0200
Subject: [typo] Memory Usage on blog.lighttpd.net
Message-ID: <20060529122412.GL20202@gateway>


Hi,

I using the trunk (r1054) and having a quite high memory usage for
80 MBytes for blog.lighttpd.net. 

VSS: 275436k 
RSS:  87672k 

The box only has 256Mb of RAM and is a bit underpowered. As the box is
running 2 rails-apps (rforum, typo) and trac the box goes Out-of-Memory
every few days. 

How can I reduce the memory usage of typo ? Are there mem-caches that
can be put on disk, are there mem-leaks, ... ?

About the checkout:

$ svn status
?      version
X      vendor/rails
~      tmp/cache
M      config/environment.rb
M      public/favicon.ico

$ svn diff config/environment.rb:
-  # config.log_level = :debug
+  config.log_level = :error

* RAILS_ENV is production
* I start dispatch.fcgi externally with spawn-fcgi


    Jan
  
-- 
Jan Kneschke                                     http://jan.kneschke.de/
Perhaps you want to say 'thank you, jan':    http://jk.123.org/wishlist/

From phil at cryer.us  Mon May 29 12:12:28 2006
From: phil at cryer.us (phil)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:12:28 -0500
Subject: [typo] Fwd: Re: #784: Article title with strange characters not
 translated correctly
Message-ID: <f4e8c272d182c678c0def1aa2d082469@pepe.cryer.us>

Below find an email I got today in regards to a bug I entered, that was fixed months ago.  The email ends with:

Keep a good job up! http://quick-adult-links.com

Are bots harvesting the Typo Trac site for email addys?

P

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [typo] #784: Article title with strange characters not translated correctly
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:03:35 -0000
From: typo <trac at leetsoft.com>
To: fak3r at fak3r.com

#784: Article title with strange characters not translated correctly
-----------------------------+----------------------------------------------
 Reporter:  fak3r at fak3r.com  |        Owner:        
     Type:  defect           |       Status:  closed
 Priority:  normal           |    Milestone:  4.0   
Component:  frontend         |      Version:        
 Severity:  normal           |   Resolution:  fixed 
 Keywords:                   |  
-----------------------------+----------------------------------------------
Comment (by kkkkoaaa):

 Keep a good job up! http://quick-adult-links.com

-- 
Ticket URL: <http://www.typosphere.org/trac/ticket/784>
typo <http://typosphere.org/trac/>
web2.0 weblogging engine
-- 
http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it


From bronson at rinspin.com  Mon May 29 12:50:36 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:50:36 -0400
Subject: [typo] Fwd: Re: #784: Article title with strange characters	not
	translated correctly
In-Reply-To: <f4e8c272d182c678c0def1aa2d082469@pepe.cryer.us>
References: <f4e8c272d182c678c0def1aa2d082469@pepe.cryer.us>
Message-ID: <1148921437.31776.5.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 11:12 -0500, phil wrote:
> Below find an email I got today in regards to a bug I entered, that was fixed months ago.  The email ends with:
> Keep a good job up! http://quick-adult-links.com
> Are bots harvesting the Typo Trac site for email addys?


Almost certainly.  :(  Kevin & co. do a very good job of ensuring that
this spam doesn't live very long.

Hopefully you can use a disposable email address.

    - Scott




From bronson at rinspin.com  Mon May 29 13:35:28 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:35:28 -0400
Subject: [typo] Updating JavaScript libs to latest?
Message-ID: <1148924128.31776.12.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

Is there any chance of updating prototype/scriptaculous to 1.6.1 before
releasing v4?

I'm trying to trim down the Scribbish theme to maybe include it with
Typo.  Problem is, the differences in javascript libs leads to some
random wonkiness.  I'd like to put both on 1.6.1 and be done with it.

Is it worth opening a ticket & submitting a patch?

Thanks,

    - Scott




From kevin at sb.org  Wed May 31 00:22:23 2006
From: kevin at sb.org (Kevin Ballard)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:22:23 -0700
Subject: [typo] Trac spam and tickets
Message-ID: <084EEAE5-41E1-45BE-9D8F-D7C6061932F8@sb.org>

Well, today we finally upgraded Typosphere's Trac installation to  
trunk and installed the spam plugin. As of today, the spam problem on  
Typosphere is officially over.

In light of that, I've restored ticket property modification  
privileges to anonymous users.

-- 
Kevin Ballard
kevin at sb.org
http://kevin.sb.org
http://www.tildesoft.com


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From scott at sigkill.org  Wed May 31 13:37:52 2006
From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:37:52 -0700
Subject: [typo] Trac spam and tickets
In-Reply-To: <084EEAE5-41E1-45BE-9D8F-D7C6061932F8@sb.org>
References: <084EEAE5-41E1-45BE-9D8F-D7C6061932F8@sb.org>
Message-ID: <14b7e5ef0605311037y3823965co1bba3547117b737d@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, *thanks* :-).


Scott

On 5/30/06, Kevin Ballard <kevin at sb.org> wrote:
> Well, today we finally upgraded Typosphere's Trac installation to
> trunk and installed the spam plugin. As of today, the spam problem on
> Typosphere is officially over.
>
> In light of that, I've restored ticket property modification
> privileges to anonymous users.
>
> --
> Kevin Ballard
> kevin at sb.org
> http://kevin.sb.org
> http://www.tildesoft.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
>
>
>

From mike at uwmike.com  Wed May 31 14:18:10 2006
From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:18:10 -0400
Subject: [typo] 500s on dreamhost + typo
Message-ID: <d9b01a0605311118m6723c3dap46859b5f0c85cd08@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm just wondering if there's any further suggestions you can offer
for solving... whatever problem this is: http://uwmike.com

Seems to work sometimes, not others. If you mosey around, you'll hit
the 500 screen within 5 or 6 clicks... I've got my theme part-way
ported to Wordpress, but I'd really really like to keep using Typo.
I'm not sure if the following are any help, but,

- Ruby is version 1.8.2
- Rails is 1.1.2 (but there's revision 3482 in the /vendor/rails directory)
- Typo is revision 1055
- the /public directory has got about twenty core.xxxx files in it,
dating from the last week and a half or so.

Is there any other information that would be helpful in figuring out
what's wrong with this?

Thanks,

Mike

From bronson at rinspin.com  Wed May 31 16:02:22 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:02:22 -0400
Subject: [typo] 500s on dreamhost + typo
In-Reply-To: <d9b01a0605311118m6723c3dap46859b5f0c85cd08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b01a0605311118m6723c3dap46859b5f0c85cd08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1149105742.8875.22.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 14:18 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
> Is there any other information that would be helpful in figuring out
> what's wrong with this?

I currently have the same problem.  I haven't really tried to fix it
yet.

I did run across this:

http://work.alexyoung.org/archives/102/dreamhost-and-rails-500-errors

And I tried making Typo garbage collect after 10 requests but it doesn't
appear to have helped.  Why does nothing appear in the logs??

Keep us posted with your progress!

    - Scott



From steve.longdo at gmail.com  Wed May 31 16:11:18 2006
From: steve.longdo at gmail.com (Steve Longdo)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:11:18 -0500
Subject: [typo] 500s on dreamhost + typo
In-Reply-To: <1149105742.8875.22.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
References: <d9b01a0605311118m6723c3dap46859b5f0c85cd08@mail.gmail.com>
	<1149105742.8875.22.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
Message-ID: <cc4e85f30605311311w64bc86e1y7e1a6298728763b4@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't Rails 1.1.+ require Ruby 1.8.4?  Did you run rake migrate after
upgrading your Typo installation?

On 5/31/06, Scott Bronson <bronson at rinspin.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 14:18 -0400, Mike Purvis wrote:
> > Is there any other information that would be helpful in figuring out
> > what's wrong with this?
>
> I currently have the same problem.  I haven't really tried to fix it
> yet.
>
> I did run across this:
>
> http://work.alexyoung.org/archives/102/dreamhost-and-rails-500-errors
>
> And I tried making Typo garbage collect after 10 requests but it doesn't
> appear to have helped.  Why does nothing appear in the logs??
>
> Keep us posted with your progress!
>
>     - Scott
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Typo-list mailing list
> Typo-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list
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From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com  Wed May 31 16:43:13 2006
From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:43:13 +0200
Subject: [typo] tDiary migration script
Message-ID: <1be7247c0605311343t666a99bai85fe27c50d7024fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just migrated my diary from tDiary 2.0 (another popular Ruby
blogging engine, especially in Japan) to Typo, and I created a script
to convert the categories/articles/comments.  It's available at:

http://www.chopine.be/lrz/td2.rb

Feel free to bundle it in the upstream distribution if you want.

Typo is BTW an impressive application, keep the good work!

Laurent

From bronson at rinspin.com  Wed May 31 23:14:17 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:14:17 -0400
Subject: [typo] 500s on dreamhost + typo
In-Reply-To: <cc4e85f30605311311w64bc86e1y7e1a6298728763b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9b01a0605311118m6723c3dap46859b5f0c85cd08@mail.gmail.com>
	<1149105742.8875.22.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>
	<cc4e85f30605311311w64bc86e1y7e1a6298728763b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1149131658.8875.40.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 15:11 -0500, Steve Longdo wrote:
> Doesn't Rails 1.1.+ require Ruby 1.8.4?

Not according to http://rubyonrails.com/down


> Did you run rake migrate after upgrading your Typo installation?

Yep, the db is up to date.

There does appear to be a connection with a process getting killed and
the 500 errors.  I might try to force the Ruby processes to exit after
every 10 requests or something...

    - Scott



From bronson at rinspin.com  Wed May 31 23:20:01 2006
From: bronson at rinspin.com (Scott Bronson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:20:01 -0400
Subject: [typo] PATCH (tiny) syntax error in admin.css
Message-ID: <1149132001.8875.43.camel@lyra.rinspin.com>

This just fixes a syntax error in admin.css.  Probably not worth opening
a ticket?


=== public/stylesheets/administration.css
==================================================================
--- public/stylesheets/administration.css       (revision 2214)
+++ public/stylesheets/administration.css       (local)
@@ -115,7 +115,7 @@
    }

   #tabs li a:hover {
-    #color: #fff;
+    /* color: #fff; */
     background: #D7DFE4;
     border-color: #859AA8;
    }