From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Mar  2 14:05:08 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:05:08 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] FireWatir release alpha v1.0
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0603020540p7e625d3chcbbd8b76586900d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e26bda3e0603020540p7e625d3chcbbd8b76586900d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603021105i56925759q41608f2ab55705fe@mail.gmail.com>

Angrez,

Your account on svn.openqa.org has been set up. I suggest that you create a
separate branch and commit your code there. We can preview it there before
it gets merged to trunk.

I suspect we will want to mirror your code reorg in truck. I'm happy to
divide the code up in to more, smaller files.

Bret

On 3/2/06, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bret,Paul,
>
> I have alpha v1.0 ready for using WATiR on Firefox. I have re-organized
> the code in different files so that most of the code is re-used while
> implementing this. Could you please tell me what is the best way to move
> this code to source control? I think you should have a preview before to
> check the code organization.
>
> Regards,
> Angrez
>
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 05:58:11 2006
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:28:11 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-core] FireWatir release alpha v1.0
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603021105i56925759q41608f2ab55705fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e26bda3e0603020540p7e625d3chcbbd8b76586900d@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0603021105i56925759q41608f2ab55705fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0603030258m706df1f5oc86e012aa4b0ffc0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bret,

I'll try to commit the code as soon as possible.

Thanks & Regards,
Angrez
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar  8 02:03:31 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Wiki Migration to OpenQA
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603072303w5d80d2efiacf75b5f241002d5@mail.gmail.com>

I've moved the home page (only) of the project wiki(s) to the
Confluence-based wiki on OpenQA.org.

http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR

The sub-pages on the Rubyforge and Watir.net wikis still need to be
migrated. Feel free to chip in, instructions are on this page.

However, i did finally complete the migration of the still-used pages from
our original CLABS wiki! Thanks Chris for keeping that up for all these
years.

Bret
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar  8 02:09:52 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:09:52 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] The Watir.net Wiki
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603072309k14474b38kccb8106256b364cb@mail.gmail.com>

Although we are migrating the Watir project wiki off of Watir.net, it is
certainly possible that this wiki will continue to be run for a slightly
different purpose.

My view is that that OpenQA confluence wiki best serves several specific
needs we have for project support. For example, hosting contributions
instead of including unsupported libraries directly in our distribution. But
since the mediawiki is really optomized for reference works, i could see
some kind of Watir users manual developing here. It is also possible that we
end up with some pages (e.g. roadmap) on the OpenQA confluence wiki and
others (e.g. the FAQ) on the Media WIki site.

In othe words, it doesn't have to be either/or. It can be AND.

Thanks, in any case to all our wiki hosting providers: Chris, Tom, Sy and
Patrick.

Bret
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From sy1234 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 10:22:54 2006
From: sy1234 at gmail.com (Sy Ali)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:22:54 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] The Watir.net Wiki
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603072309k14474b38kccb8106256b364cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0603072309k14474b38kccb8106256b364cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e55af990603080722i402cb5a9n3fc298b49d94e87f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/06, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> Although we are migrating the Watir project wiki off of Watir.net, it is
> certainly possible that this wiki will continue to be run for a slightly
> different purpose.

One thing which may work is that the confluence wiki be considered
official.. the official roadmaps, hacks and patches, technical specs
and all that sort of thing.  This leans towards developers / hackers.

The MediaWiki wiki could be more of an "anything goes"
user-contributed wiki.. leaning towards the less-technical userbase. 
So all the everyday-user "hand-holding help" and documentation goes
here.

It could work..


From chrismo at clabs.org  Wed Mar  8 10:39:08 2006
From: chrismo at clabs.org (Chris Morris)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:39:08 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Wiki Migration to OpenQA
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603072303w5d80d2efiacf75b5f241002d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0603072303w5d80d2efiacf75b5f241002d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440EFA9C.4070702@clabs.org>

Bret Pettichord wrote:
> However, i did finally complete the migration of the still-used pages 
> from our original CLABS wiki! Thanks Chris for keeping that up for all 
> these years.
Excellent :-) Glad to have contributed. Would you like me to replace the 
wiki with a forwarding page? Any existing links would only be routed to 
the home page of the new wiki, so they'll be mostly broken. But it's old 
enough, it may be time to pull the plug.

-- 
Chris
http://clabs.org/blogki


From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar  8 12:19:12 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:19:12 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Wiki Migration to OpenQA
In-Reply-To: <440EFA9C.4070702@clabs.org>
References: <ade75c5b0603072303w5d80d2efiacf75b5f241002d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<440EFA9C.4070702@clabs.org>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603080919r1d794b3ex7a44fe48daa50a45@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/06, Chris Morris <chrismo at clabs.org> wrote:
>
> Would you like me to replace the
> wiki with a forwarding page? Any existing links would only be routed to
> the home page of the new wiki, so they'll be mostly broken. But it's old
> enough, it may be time to pull the plug.


I don't really care. I actually enjoyed looking at the old wiki and  seeing
the old discussions that lead to Watir when none of us knew each other. But
that nostalgia value may not be useful for anyone else.
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From chrismo at clabs.org  Wed Mar  8 12:31:05 2006
From: chrismo at clabs.org (Chris Morris)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:31:05 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Wiki Migration to OpenQA
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From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com  Sun Mar 19 15:05:07 2006
From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:05:07 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] [Wtr-general] is this issue worth reporting? 'text'
	vs'text_field'
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603191056t1c73b1d8o37878a8ccb4ac84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0603181434q412165abr5a39bdfec62bcc68@mail.gmail.com>
	<016f01c64b45$f31edab0$9e32a8c0@Koko>
	<ade75c5b0603191056t1c73b1d8o37878a8ccb4ac84@mail.gmail.com>
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> I am getting disillusioned with the project as i see more and more newbies,
> yet no one really interested in fixing the many problems that have been
> raised.

> One puzzle i have is that nearly every week, someone out of no where offers
> to help. I tell different people different things, but nothing ever comes of
> it.
>
> I'm also frustrated that discussions like this are off list, rather than on
> wtr-core, which i created specifically as a place that would be appropriate
> for this kind of discussion.

Yikes.  I didn't notice that this wasn't wtr-core.
So my deal is that I've been spending a bare minimum of 16 hrs/wk,
often 24, running around airports before even starting my 10 hr days. 
And I haven't been anywhere near IE in over a year.
OTOH, I'm a much better Ruby programmer than I was a year ago.  *And*
I think I'm about to see a project using Watir.
So I hope, in 3 or 4 weeks, to chip in on some of the pure-Ruby
issues. (You don't want to see me write C++!)
-Chris


From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 18:20:25 2006
From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] perils of growth
Message-ID: <72799cd70603211520y46308c43t79132b0a81e00dcc@mail.gmail.com>

found on oreilly, quoted from The Economist.

http://www.economist.com/images/20060318/CSF427.gif

http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_march_20_2006.html

-Chris


From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 22 10:51:53 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:51:53 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] perils of growth
In-Reply-To: <72799cd70603211520y46308c43t79132b0a81e00dcc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72799cd70603211520y46308c43t79132b0a81e00dcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603220751r7464f587x4c0d0bf5221d108b@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, as is the the economist article itself. Thanks for sending this.

On 3/21/06, Chris McMahon <christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com> wrote:
> found on oreilly, quoted from The Economist.
>
> http://www.economist.com/images/20060318/CSF427.gif
>
> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/03/eyeballs_march_20_2006.html
>
> -Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-core mailing list
> Wtr-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-core
>


From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 12:05:12 2006
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (Zeljko Filipin)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:05:12 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-core] perils of growth
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603220751r7464f587x4c0d0bf5221d108b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72799cd70603211520y46308c43t79132b0a81e00dcc@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0603220751r7464f587x4c0d0bf5221d108b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1250603220905i427ebfeeodac0f192ff078afb@mail.gmail.com>

>From that article(http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5624944):
"Of the roughly 130,000 open-source projects on SourceForge.net, anonline hub for open-source software projects, only a few hundred areactive, and fewer still will ever lead to a useful product."
Congratulations! You have made a very useful product. :)
On 3/22/06, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:> Interesting, as is the the economist article itself. Thanks for sending this.

From mb at michaelbolton.net  Thu Mar 23 02:47:38 2006
From: mb at michaelbolton.net (Michael Bolton)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
Message-ID: <000001c64e4e$13c43840$6201a8c0@Koko>

Or should it be attach(:title, /foo/).timeout?

---Michael  B.

DevelopSense:  Software Testing in Plain English
Web Site:  http://www.developsense.com <http://www.developsense.com> 
Newsletter: addme at developsense.com <mailto:addme at developsense.com> 
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Mar 24 14:13:36 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:13:36 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
In-Reply-To: <000001c64e4e$13c43840$6201a8c0@Koko>
References: <000001c64e4e$13c43840$6201a8c0@Koko>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com>

Please rephrase as a complete sentence. I don't understand the question.

On 3/23/06, Michael Bolton <mb at michaelbolton.net> wrote:
> Or should it be attach(:title, /foo/).timeout?


From mb at michaelbolton.net  Sat Mar 25 01:01:38 2006
From: mb at michaelbolton.net (Michael Bolton)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:01:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>

Sorry.

There's a new command coming called attach_timeout, but I'm wondering if
timeout should be a method below the "attach" method; if timeout should be a
modifier.  Does this make sense?

---Michael B.

-----Original Message-----
From: bpettichord at gmail.com [mailto:bpettichord at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Bret
Pettichord
Sent: March 24, 2006 2:14 PM
To: mb at michaelbolton.net; wtr-core at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?

Please rephrase as a complete sentence. I don't understand the question.

On 3/23/06, Michael Bolton <mb at michaelbolton.net> wrote:
> Or should it be attach(:title, /foo/).timeout?


From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Mar 27 00:01:40 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:01:40 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
In-Reply-To: <00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>
References: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603262101m58cf9d7cn76fe769b428ef336@mail.gmail.com>

Not really. I mean i understand what you are asking for.

Right now we use

  IE::attach_timeout = 10
  IE::attach(:title, "foo")

And you want to do something like

  IE::attach(:title, "foo").timeout(10)

But this doesn't really make sense, because this would be the same as

  ie = IE::attach(:title, "foo")
  ie.timeout(10)

And as this shows, the call to timeout would be too late. In other words, it
couldn't do what you wanted it to do.

I suppose we could do

  IE::attach(:title, "foo", :timeout, 10)

But i'm reluctant to start changing the interfaces without a larger plan in
place. I'm seeing the need for these kinds of modifiers in lots of places
and would like a standard way of using them before i start making these
kinds of changes.

Similar things
-- delay after each event
-- delay after each keypress
-- speed settings (which amount to settings for the above)
-- highlight color
-- whether to wait after a click
-- whether or not a hidden IE is created (affects OLE errors)
-- language settings (we need this to do file dialogs correctly)
-- whether visible or not

Some of these could be settings on the current IE object. Others affect how
new IE objects are created.

In general, my guidelines for the Watir interface is that the watir commands
should generally be semantically equivalent to the information you'd
normally see in a detailed manual test script. This is the kind of "modal"
information that is normally just assumed.

Another problem with

  IE::attach(:title, "foo", :timeout, 10)

is that we would still support the command with the timeout (backwards
compatability) and that means that we need to have a default and a way to
change it. Doing this would have to be in addition to rather than instead of
IE.attach_timeout = 10.

A third problem is that i don't know how to unit test this stuff, so i want
to keep it real simple. The more convenience methods we add, the stuff there
is that could break without being caught by unit tests.

Bret

On 3/25/06, Michael Bolton <mb at michaelbolton.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry.
>
> There's a new command coming called attach_timeout, but I'm wondering if
> timeout should be a method below the "attach" method; if timeout should be
> a
> modifier.  Does this make sense?
>
> ---Michael B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bpettichord at gmail.com [mailto:bpettichord at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Bret
> Pettichord
> Sent: March 24, 2006 2:14 PM
> To: mb at michaelbolton.net; wtr-core at rubyforge.org
> Subject: Re: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
>
> Please rephrase as a complete sentence. I don't understand the question.
>
> On 3/23/06, Michael Bolton <mb at michaelbolton.net> wrote:
> > Or should it be attach(:title, /foo/).timeout?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-core mailing list
> Wtr-core at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-core
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From dave at burt.id.au  Mon Mar 27 08:18:42 2006
From: dave at burt.id.au (Dave Burt)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:18:42 +1100
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
References: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com><00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>
	<ade75c5b0603262101m58cf9d7cn76fe769b428ef336@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c651a0$f8586e40$6602a8c0@telperion>

Hi Bret,

>  IE::attach(:title, "foo", :timeout, 10)

A bit of a tangent, have you considered using hashes (named-argument form) 
rather than arglists like this?

IE.attach(:title => "foo", :timeout => 10)

Cheers,
Dave 


From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Mar 27 10:04:39 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:04:39 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
In-Reply-To: <003f01c651a0$f8586e40$6602a8c0@telperion>
References: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>
	<ade75c5b0603262101m58cf9d7cn76fe769b428ef336@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01c651a0$f8586e40$6602a8c0@telperion>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603270704t527887f6y4784a1f40f271c08@mail.gmail.com>

I believe the hash syntax also works.

On 3/27/06, Dave Burt <dave at burt.id.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Bret,
>
> >  IE::attach(:title, "foo", :timeout, 10)
>
> A bit of a tangent, have you considered using hashes (named-argument form)
> rather than arglists like this?
>
> IE.attach(:title => "foo", :timeout => 10)
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Mar 27 10:08:09 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:08:09 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
In-Reply-To: <003f01c651a0$f8586e40$6602a8c0@telperion>
References: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>
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On 3/27/06, Dave Burt <dave at burt.id.au> wrote:
>
> A bit of a tangent, have you considered using hashes (named-argument form)
> rather than arglists like this?
>
> IE.attach(:title => "foo", :timeout => 10)


I've considered supporting hashes directly (rather than just "hash syntax")

Thus:

  ie.text_field({:name => "foo", :id => "bar"})

This would probably be the cleanest mechanism to use were we to support
multiple attribute object identification.

However, i think we now get this functionality with xpath support, so i
don't see a strong motivation for this.

Bret
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From christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 10:12:42 2006
From: christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com (Chris McMahon)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:12:42 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603270708y722660a3k4ccfdaf443bdd908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko>
	<ade75c5b0603262101m58cf9d7cn76fe769b428ef336@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01c651a0$f8586e40$6602a8c0@telperion>
	<ade75c5b0603270708y722660a3k4ccfdaf443bdd908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72799cd70603270712t58c518dasd35d84e497da74@mail.gmail.com>

>  However, i think we now get this functionality with xpath support, so i
> don't see a strong motivation for this.


I don't have any objection to hash syntax personally, but it does
smell a little bit like Perl, which might be offputting to some.  To
the extent that it's possible to use arg lists and arrays, I think it
makes sense to do so.

-Chris


From dave at burt.id.au  Tue Mar 28 05:51:49 2006
From: dave at burt.id.au (Dave Burt)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:51:49 +1100
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
References: <ade75c5b0603241113p761c0f46kae99c1bca4c43ffd@mail.gmail.com><00a701c64fd1$948ee630$6601a8c0@Koko><ade75c5b0603262101m58cf9d7cn76fe769b428ef336@mail.gmail.com><003f01c651a0$f8586e40$6602a8c0@telperion>
	<ade75c5b0603270708y722660a3k4ccfdaf443bdd908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c65255$9dcd19c0$6602a8c0@telperion>

Hi,

Bret>  ie.text_field({:name => "foo", :id => "bar"})

You can write exactly the same thing with this syntax sugar thus:

ie.text_field(:name => "foo", :id => "bar")

> However, i think we now get this functionality with xpath support, so i
> don't see a strong motivation for this.

It's better than the old arglist? You're right, it's not a strong motivation; 
XPath is sure to be preferable in most cases.

Cheers,
Dave 


From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Mar 28 13:44:26 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:44:26 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
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On 3/28/06, Dave Burt <dave at burt.id.au> wrote:
>
> Bret>  ie.text_field({:name => "foo", :id => "bar"})
>
> You can write exactly the same thing with this syntax sugar thus:
>
> ie.text_field(:name => "foo", :id => "bar")


Does this work for you?

I thought this was true, but when i tried it, the "=>" didn't seem be
interpreted as "," unless inside a {}.
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From dave at burt.id.au  Tue Mar 28 23:49:12 2006
From: dave at burt.id.au (Dave Burt)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:49:12 +1100
Subject: [Wtr-core] Should it be attach_timeout?
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Bret wrote:
>> On 3/28/06, Dave Burt <dave at burt.id.au> wrote:
>>
>> Bret>  ie.text_field({:name => "foo", :id => "bar"})
>>
>> You can write exactly the same thing with this syntax sugar thus:
>>
>> ie.text_field(:name => "foo", :id => "bar")
>
> Does this work for you?
>
> I thought this was true, but when i tried it, the "=>" didn't seem be
> interpreted as "," unless inside a {}.

What did you try?

>> RUBY_VERSION
=> "1.8.2"
>> def echo(*args) args end
=> nil
>> echo(:foo => "bar", :baz => 42)
=> [{:foo=>"bar", :baz=>42}]
>> echo({:foo => "bar", :baz => 42})
=> [{:foo=>"bar", :baz=>42}]

The hash-without-braces just has to be the last non-splatted argument.

>> a = [1,2,3]
=> [1, 2, 3]
>> echo :x, :y, :a => :b, *a
=> [:x, :y, {:a=>:b}, 1, 2, 3]

Cheers,
Dave

From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 29 00:16:41 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:16:41 -0600
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That helps, thanks.

On 3/28/06, Dave Burt <dave at burt.id.au> wrote:
>
> Bret wrote:
> >> On 3/28/06, Dave Burt <dave at burt.id.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bret>  ie.text_field({:name => "foo", :id => "bar"})
> >>
> >> You can write exactly the same thing with this syntax sugar thus:
> >>
> >> ie.text_field(:name => "foo", :id => "bar")
> >
> > Does this work for you?
> >
> > I thought this was true, but when i tried it, the "=>" didn't seem be
> > interpreted as "," unless inside a {}.
>
> What did you try?
>
> >> RUBY_VERSION
> => " 1.8.2"
> >> def echo(*args) args end
> => nil
> >> echo(:foo => "bar", :baz => 42)
> => [{:foo=>"bar", :baz=>42}]
> >> echo({:foo => "bar", :baz => 42})
> => [{:foo=>"bar", :baz=>42}]
>
> The hash-without-braces just has to be the last non-splatted argument.
>
> >> a = [1,2,3]
> => [1, 2, 3]
> >> echo :x, :y, :a => :b, *a
> => [:x, :y, {:a=>:b}, 1, 2, 3]
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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From dave at burt.id.au  Wed Mar 29 02:26:45 2006
From: dave at burt.id.au (Dave Burt)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:26:45 +1100
Subject: [Wtr-core] Watir Exception clarity: UnknownObjectException
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Hi,

Back on ruby-talk, Kev was confused when he did something like the following:

  text_field("id", "foo")

I've excerpted from his message post-script, but the essence is that the message 
was the same as if there was simply no "foo" on the page, and that the how 
parameter was a string was not visible in the error message.

getObject() should accept strings as well as symbols for the parameter; in fact, 
anything with a to_sym method. It should attempt an explicit cast to Symbol 
using to_sym, and raise a TypeError on failure. You can do this simply by adding 
this before how is used:

  how = how.to_sym \
    rescue raise TypeError.new("cannot convert #{how.inspect} to Symbol")

Cheers,
Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kev Jackson" <kevin.jackson at it.fts-vn.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: Can anyone see the obvious msitake I've made?
> ....

> testScenario(NewApplicationTest):
> Watir::Exception::UnknownObjectException: Unable to locate object, using id 
> and
> form:address1
>
> ... the error produced from watir is exactly the same as if I'd have typed:
>
> $ie.text_field(:id, 'a_field_that_doesn't_exist')
> ...