From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Jun 11 17:37:51 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday, we released Watir 1.5.6. This included a number of bug
fixes. We plan to continue to release updates to Watir with more bug
fixes as well as completing our support for locating elements via
multiple attributes.

But we also will be focusing on integrating Watir with FireWatir and
improving our ability to support other browsers as well.

There are three major elements to our plan for integrating Watir and
FireWatir.

1. Put both Watir and FireWatir under continuous integration
(CruiseControl.rb). This means that both tools will automatically be
regression tested (using their unit test suites) every time any change
is made to their code bases. This will facilitate taking contributions
from people working on different platforms.

2. Merging the test suites. We need to have a single test suite that
we can use to validate any Watir implementation. This means that the
standard Watir test suite must be upgraded to allow it to execute
against any browser. It also requires us to be able to tag those tests
that only apply to one implementation.

3. Migrate FireWatir into the same SVN repository as Watir. Once this
is done, it will facilitate being able to refactor code from both code
bases towards increased reuse and the evolution of an adaptor
architecture.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist

From angrez at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 01:36:08 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06:08 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bret,

Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
right?

- Angrez

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> Yesterday, we released Watir 1.5.6. This included a number of bug
> fixes. We plan to continue to release updates to Watir with more bug
> fixes as well as completing our support for locating elements via
> multiple attributes.
>
> But we also will be focusing on integrating Watir with FireWatir and
> improving our ability to support other browsers as well.
>
> There are three major elements to our plan for integrating Watir and
> FireWatir.
>
> 1. Put both Watir and FireWatir under continuous integration
> (CruiseControl.rb). This means that both tools will automatically be
> regression tested (using their unit test suites) every time any change
> is made to their code bases. This will facilitate taking contributions
> from people working on different platforms.
>
> 2. Merging the test suites. We need to have a single test suite that
> we can use to validate any Watir implementation. This means that the
> standard Watir test suite must be upgraded to allow it to execute
> against any browser. It also requires us to be able to tag those tests
> that only apply to one implementation.
>
> 3. Migrate FireWatir into the same SVN repository as Watir. Once this
> is done, it will facilitate being able to refactor code from both code
> bases towards increased reuse and the evolution of an adaptor
> architecture.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 14:30:22 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>

I just ran all the unit tests for Firewatir
(unittests/mozilla_all_tests.rb) on a new machine.

I ran into two errors, in attach_to_new_window.rb. I was able to
correct these errors by doing the following:

1. Change the preferences to open new windows in a new window (instead of a tab)
2. Clicked the little message to "allow popups from".

I'm not sure if this is documented somewhere or not.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist

From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 16:01:11 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
> right?

Right now I am hung up trying to apply this patch
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13

to the google code code base. This had already been applied to the
openqa code base, but it seems that conflicting changes have since
been made to the google code code base.

If any one has any insight, i would appreciate it. I'm having to go
through the last six months of the code history to understand the
changes that have been made and this may take me some time.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist

From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 17:50:01 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121450v12be985y9961ea1b2b4f6918@mail.gmail.com>

I'm no longer hung up on this problem. I'll send a status report out
shortly under a separate subject line.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
>> right?
>
> Right now I am hung up trying to apply this patch
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> to the google code code base. This had already been applied to the
> openqa code base, but it seems that conflicting changes have since
> been made to the google code code base.
>
> If any one has any insight, i would appreciate it. I'm having to go
> through the last six months of the code history to understand the
> changes that have been made and this may take me some time.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>



-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist

From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 18:02:58 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>

I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
into the code base here
  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]

I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
today about, but they now seem to be resolved.

The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
speed improvement.

Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
from trunk very shortly.

The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir

However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
this.

Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
wondering if these patches still need to be applied?

I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.

I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
know the OpenQA logins for these people.

Bret


-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist

From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:49:44 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:19:44 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>

Bret,

This has been documented in the installation guide which can be downloaded
from google code.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I just ran all the unit tests for Firewatir
> (unittests/mozilla_all_tests.rb) on a new machine.
>
> I ran into two errors, in attach_to_new_window.rb. I was able to
> correct these errors by doing the following:
>
> 1. Change the preferences to open new windows in a new window (instead of a
> tab)
> 2. Clicked the little message to "allow popups from".
>
> I'm not sure if this is documented somewhere or not.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:52:34 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:22:34 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>

Bret,

Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
Firewatir/Watir mailing list.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
> into the code base here
>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>
> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>
> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
> speed improvement.
>
> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
> from trunk very shortly.
>
> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>
> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
> this.
>
> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>
> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>
> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>
> Bret
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 02:28:41 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:58:41 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>

I think the patches submitted over here:
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/752f101333eabfb6/5cca15d1d51a2e9e?lnk=gst&q=patch#5cca15d1d51a2e9e

are not applied to the code. Let me apply that before going further with the
migration.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bret,
>
> Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
> checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
> we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
> Firewatir/Watir mailing list.
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
>> into the code base here
>>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>>
>> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
>> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>>
>> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
>> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
>> speed improvement.
>>
>> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
>> from trunk very shortly.
>>
>> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>>
>> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
>> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
>> this.
>>
>> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
>> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
>> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
>> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>>
>> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
>> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
>> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
>> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>>
>> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
>> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
>> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 10:05:18 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:05:18 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806130705q35b34e5ewf45820ac25e4253b@mail.gmail.com>

> This has been documented in the installation guide which can be downloaded
> from google code.
>
> - Angrez

Excellent.

From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 15:28:31 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:28:31 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806131228i2d21d927u58534fe9a64fcce2@mail.gmail.com>

Great, glad to hear you are on top of this. I just responded there
asking if you were on this, before reading here that you are.

Thanks much. BTW, i'm going to remove the redundant patch files. I'm
anal that way.

Bret

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the patches submitted over here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/752f101333eabfb6/5cca15d1d51a2e9e?lnk=gst&q=patch#5cca15d1d51a2e9e
>
> are not applied to the code. Let me apply that before going further with the
> migration.
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bret,
>>
>> Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
>> checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
>> we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
>> Firewatir/Watir mailing list.
>>
>> - Angrez
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
>>> into the code base here
>>>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>>>
>>> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
>>> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>>>
>>> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
>>> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
>>> speed improvement.
>>>
>>> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
>>> from trunk very shortly.
>>>
>>> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>>>
>>> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
>>> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
>>> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
>>> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
>>> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>>>
>>> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
>>> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
>>> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
>>> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>>>
>>> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
>>> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
>>> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>>>
>>> Bret
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bret Pettichord
>>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
>>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



-- 
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CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist

From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 16:28:38 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806131328w2c1069d8m6ec04f5c2b57a6d2@mail.gmail.com>

Angrez,

After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.

But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the five
patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did this by
inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to see if
their changes were there.

These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:

  escaping_fix.patch
  support-button.patch.txt

These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:

  dom_events.patch
  patch
  use_profile.patch

I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
happy to do so. Any suggestions?

Bret

-- 
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CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 14 15:40:55 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>

Do these need updating::

1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

We also need to start thinking about what we are gonna call the
FireWatir\Watir merge?

And also add Firewatir capabilities on the tutorial.

Aidy

From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Jun 14 16:33:38 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:33:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Do these need updating::
>
> 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."


Yes this is out of date.

>
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?


I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and cons
both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.

We also need to start thinking about what we are gonna call the
> FireWatir\Watir merge?
>
> And also add Firewatir capabilities on the tutorial.
>

I am happy to put off worrying about these until more progress is made.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 14 16:39:58 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:39:58 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bret,

On 14/06/2008, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > Do these need updating::
> >
> > 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> > 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
>
> Yes this is out of date.
 So what shall I put Ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 final?

> >
> > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
>
> I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and cons
> both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.
>
Already changed it now, but can role back .

Alan, is going from the bottom, myself from the top. (Installation
page is done after the Ruby v change (above) is finalised.

Aidy

From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Jun 14 16:47:41 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:47:41 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806141339l5358298fu82678d982c09c55c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:39 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

>
> > > 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> > > 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
> >
> > Yes this is out of date.
>  So what shall I put Ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 final?
>
*
This is what i put on wtr.rubyforge.org:

*
>
> *We recommend Ruby 1.8.5-24 or Ruby 1.8.6-26 final (or later)*





> > > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
> >
> > I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and
> cons
> > both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.
> >
> Already changed it now, but can role back .


I'm happy to let you all make the call on this. It has been a long time
since Kohl wrote the original and I think we have a much better idea now of
what works for people.

>
>
> Alan, is going from the bottom, myself from the top. (Installation
> page is done after the Ruby v change (above) is finalised.
>

Sounds good. Appreciate the help.


-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 15 16:44:04 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this

> (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)

Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.

Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case

Aidy

From bret at pettichord.com  Sun Jun 15 17:02:44 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806151402v6e24bbcp256ed2f7ff2493de@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
>
> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>
> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
>
> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
>

Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not a
completely accurate one.

I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners need
basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree are
100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.

Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind of
data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how to
express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot return
an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.

But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and "false"
in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
because this is not true of almost any other language.

You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this is
not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural, but
even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.

This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should be
placed in the class where they are needed.

Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of a
misunderstanding that you are worried about?

One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to accompany a
face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 18:32:25 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:32:25 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
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References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

I like the command line. I tried Scite and did not like it.

?eljko
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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 03:06:04 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:36:04 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806131328w2c1069d8m6ec04f5c2b57a6d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806131328w2c1069d8m6ec04f5c2b57a6d2@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bret,

I can see these patches are applied to the respective files. I think we are
not looking at the same source code. I am looking at revision 137, the
patches are there.

- Angrez

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> Angrez,
>
> After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
> had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.
>
> But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the five
> patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did this by
> inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to see if
> their changes were there.
>
> These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:
>
>   escaping_fix.patch
>   support-button.patch.txt
>
> These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:
>
>   dom_events.patch
>   patch
>   use_profile.patch
>
> I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
> there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
> looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
> happy to do so. Any suggestions?
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 04:52:36 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:22:36 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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I updated my local svn here and try to apply the patch. I had to do it
manually. After applying everything was working fine except for a loop, I
don't understand why it didn't worked. Following are the changes that I did
to make it work:

changed ( !url == last_url) to ( url != last_url)

not sure whats the difference. But all tests are running fine. I still have
to test for X11 implementation. Not sure how to test it?

- Angrez

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

>
> Angrez,
>
> I'm putting a hold on migrating FireWatir to OpenQA until you've had a
> chance to decide what to do with Derek's patches. (It will be difficult
> to apply these patches to the new repository.)
>
> Please let me know when you've decided how you want to proceed with these.
>
> Bret
>
>
> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "FireWatir" group.
> To post to this group, send email to firewatir at googlegroups.com
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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 04:59:52 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:29:52 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is already
opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something with
running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I had
to install the patched XPI file.

Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
multiple instances?

- Angrez

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> I updated my local svn here and try to apply the patch. I had to do it
> manually. After applying everything was working fine except for a loop, I
> don't understand why it didn't worked. Following are the changes that I did
> to make it work:
>
> changed ( !url == last_url) to ( url != last_url)
>
> not sure whats the difference. But all tests are running fine. I still have
> to test for X11 implementation. Not sure how to test it?
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Angrez,
>>
>> I'm putting a hold on migrating FireWatir to OpenQA until you've had a
>> chance to decide what to do with Derek's patches. (It will be difficult
>> to apply these patches to the new repository.)
>>
>> Please let me know when you've decided how you want to proceed with these.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "FireWatir" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to firewatir at googlegroups.com
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From alan.baird at riskmetrics.com  Mon Jun 16 09:01:38 2008
From: alan.baird at riskmetrics.com (Alan Baird)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:01:38 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <f81b1250806151532k54047ce7jcd64c7ea19ea3e97@mail.gmail.com>
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My opinion on this is that we should write our guide to support as many "styles" of usage as feasible without sacrificing readability.  We don't know what people have access to or what environment they are running in.  Maybe command line is all someone has (esp. if they work in a restrictive corporate environment).  Personally, I use SciTE a lot, but I find that eventually I have to leave it because it doesn't support command line arguments.

 

Alan 

 

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Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial

 

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

I like the command line. I tried Scite and did not like it.

?eljko
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 16 09:17:36 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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Hi Bret,

2008/6/15 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
>>
>> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>>
>> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
>>
>> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
>> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
>
> Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not a
> completely accurate one.
>
> I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners need
> basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
> people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree are
> 100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.
>
Just because something is accessible doesn't mean that it can be
inaccurate. Orwell's '1984' is accessible (used to be on the school
curriculum) but it takes experience to fully understand it.

> Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind of
> data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how to
> express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
> it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
> objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot return
> an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.
>
> But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and "false"
> in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
> because this is not true of almost any other language.

OK. How about keywords and blocks?
>
> You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this is
> not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
> here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural, but
> even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.

You can write procdeural code in Ruby (see my framework), it is only
till recently while I have been pairing with developers that I have
begun to realise how procedural my code was. Testers are likely to
write procedural code in Ruby as they are coming from QTP, VBA or
Rational Robot etc. It is not the most effecient or enjoyable way to
write code; as there is always that nagging thought - that it is not
right. I think Matz in his book says we can write procedural code in
Ruby - as we can do in Python.
>
> This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
> statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should be
> placed in the class where they are needed.

And this is my point. From the Watir examples I was putting 'includes'
at the top of files and not mixing in. It was a bad way of doing
things.

Other bad examples are: using xUnit and FIT for workflow tests. I
spent months trying fit xUnit into into acceptance tests. Rspec
story-runner fits.
>
> Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of a
> misunderstanding that you are worried about?

My point is that we need accurate and good examples from the start.
That I believe is something I need to start off.
>
> One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to accompany a
> face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?
>
> Bret
>
Aidy

From bernerbits at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 09:40:09 2008
From: bernerbits at gmail.com (Derek Berner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:40:09 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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I didn't modify the XPI...

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is already
> opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something with
> running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I had
> to install the patched XPI file.
>
> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
> multiple instances?
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I updated my local svn here and try to apply the patch. I had to do it
>> manually. After applying everything was working fine except for a loop, I
>> don't understand why it didn't worked. Following are the changes that I did
>> to make it work:
>>
>> changed ( !url == last_url) to ( url != last_url)
>>
>> not sure whats the difference. But all tests are running fine. I still
>> have to test for X11 implementation. Not sure how to test it?
>>
>> - Angrez
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Angrez,
>>>
>>> I'm putting a hold on migrating FireWatir to OpenQA until you've had a
>>> chance to decide what to do with Derek's patches. (It will be difficult
>>> to apply these patches to the new repository.)
>>>
>>> Please let me know when you've decided how you want to proceed with
>>> these.
>>>
>>> Bret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
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> To post to this group, send email to firewatir at googlegroups.com
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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 00:23:02 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Status
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806162123q4650dd5fqc664f9c204f49333@mail.gmail.com>

Angrez,

Thanks for responding to my many questions about the FireWatir patches and
integration. I regret that I was not able to respond today. I will get to it
tomorrow.

Bret

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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 18:22:53 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806160006j552a340ue991e5334c744f05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806131328w2c1069d8m6ec04f5c2b57a6d2@mail.gmail.com>
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Angrez,

I comment on the two patches in question separately.

escaping_fix.patch

I looked at this patch more closely. It consists of three corrections to a
misspelled variable ('assingning_value'), as well as a couple of lines of
operational fixes. The fixes had indeed been applied, but the spelling
corrections had not. I committed the spelling corrections with revision 138.

support-button.patch.txt

This patch, to me, very clearly had not been applied. I am also looking at
revision 137. So I went ahead and applied it, committing it to revision 139.
Can you see it now? I haven't thought through the implications of this
change, so if you have concerns, I'm happy to back it out. Right now, I just
want to figure out how to get us on the same page. (I'll review the code to
this more closely tomorrow regardless.)

Bret

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bret,
>
> I can see these patches are applied to the respective files. I think we are
> not looking at the same source code. I am looking at revision 137, the
> patches are there.
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Angrez,
>>
>> After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
>> had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.
>>
>> But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the
>> five patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did
>> this by inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to
>> see if their changes were there.
>>
>> These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:
>>
>>   escaping_fix.patch
>>   support-button.patch.txt
>>
>> These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:
>>
>>   dom_events.patch
>>   patch
>>   use_profile.patch
>>
>> I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
>> there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
>> looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
>> happy to do so. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Bret
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
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>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 18:27:41 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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References: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>
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Aidy,

I said this in IRC, but it bears repeating here.

I made my case for why i thought the original made sense, but since you are
taking over responsibility for the documentation, the final decision is
yours, in collaboration with Alan, I suppose.

Bret

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Bret,
>
> 2008/6/15 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>:
> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
> >>
> >> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
> >>
> >> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
> >> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
> >
> > Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not
> a
> > completely accurate one.
> >
> > I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners
> need
> > basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
> > people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree
> are
> > 100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.
> >
> Just because something is accessible doesn't mean that it can be
> inaccurate. Orwell's '1984' is accessible (used to be on the school
> curriculum) but it takes experience to fully understand it.
>
> > Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind
> of
> > data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how
> to
> > express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
> > it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
> > objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot
> return
> > an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.
> >
> > But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and
> "false"
> > in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
> > because this is not true of almost any other language.
>
> OK. How about keywords and blocks?
> >
> > You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this
> is
> > not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
> > here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural,
> but
> > even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.
>
> You can write procdeural code in Ruby (see my framework), it is only
> till recently while I have been pairing with developers that I have
> begun to realise how procedural my code was. Testers are likely to
> write procedural code in Ruby as they are coming from QTP, VBA or
> Rational Robot etc. It is not the most effecient or enjoyable way to
> write code; as there is always that nagging thought - that it is not
> right. I think Matz in his book says we can write procedural code in
> Ruby - as we can do in Python.
> >
> > This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
> > statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should
> be
> > placed in the class where they are needed.
>
> And this is my point. From the Watir examples I was putting 'includes'
> at the top of files and not mixing in. It was a bad way of doing
> things.
>
> Other bad examples are: using xUnit and FIT for workflow tests. I
> spent months trying fit xUnit into into acceptance tests. Rspec
> story-runner fits.
> >
> > Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of
> a
> > misunderstanding that you are worried about?
>
> My point is that we need accurate and good examples from the start.
> That I believe is something I need to start off.
> >
> > One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to
> accompany a
> > face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?
> >
> > Bret
> >
> Aidy
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 18:31:45 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0B882C99@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
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My 2 cents. I found that new users, when they are writing their first Watir
scripts, really, really like using F5 to run their scripts in Scite. If they
run from the command line, it is too easy to forget to save your script
first, whereas F5/Scite does this automatically.

Of course, Watir users do need to eventually learn to use the command line,
because there are important options, as others have pointed out, that are
only available there.

Believe it or not, I have actually had many students who get confused with
the Watir install instructions because we tell them to type X at a command
prompt -- and they say they haven't used a command prompt in say 5 years.
Wow.

Bret

2008/6/16 Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com>:

>  My opinion on this is that we should write our guide to support as many
> "styles" of usage as feasible without sacrificing readability.  We don't
> know what people have access to or what environment they are running in.
>  Maybe command line is all someone has (esp. if they work in a restrictive
> corporate environment).  Personally, I use SciTE a lot, but I find that
> eventually I have to leave it because it doesn't support command line
> arguments.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org] *On Behalf Of *?eljko Filipin
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> *To:* Watir development
> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
>
> I like the command line. I tried Scite and did not like it.
>
> ?eljko
> --
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:38:17 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:38:17 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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References: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1250806180238l295cc14dx95a26ae6a8afbc60@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)

And if you change it to "In fact almost everything..."?

?eljko
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:45:38 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
In-Reply-To: <f81b1250806180238l295cc14dx95a26ae6a8afbc60@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi ?eljko,

On 18/06/2008, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>
> And if you change it to "In fact almost everything..."?
>
> ?eljko

Like it.

Aidy

From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:52:00 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:52:00 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Like it.

Simple solutions are the best sometimes. :)

?eljko
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From alan.baird at riskmetrics.com  Wed Jun 18 15:08:40 2008
From: alan.baird at riskmetrics.com (Alan Baird)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:08:40 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
Message-ID: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>

All -

 

A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his
e-mail indexed by Google.  Sure enough, Google apparently indexes the
personal information page on the openqa site.  I sent an email to the
site admin to see what we could do about this, if anything and have
relegated the comments to the posts section of the FAQ.

 

Why people think that defacing a wiki with a question is a good idea I
won't know.  I don't know if this is common but this is the second time
today this has happened.

 

Alan

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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Jun 18 17:28:02 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is already
> opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something with
> running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I had
> to install the patched XPI file.
>
> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
> multiple instances?
>

I was the one who added the support for handling multiple instances. I
committed this patch contributed by "Steve".
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13

I have reproduced the problem that you mention ("I can't start Firefox if
Firefox is already opened") and will look into it further.

Bret
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 18 18:44:17 2008
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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this is what I have in my hacked up firewatir

  class Firefox


        def self.exe_path
            # Get the path to Firefox.exe using Registry.
              require 'win32/registry.rb'
              path_to_exe = ""
              Win32::Registry::HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.open('SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Mozilla
Firefox') do |reg|
                  keys = reg.keys
                  reg1 =
Win32::Registry::HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.open("SOFTWARE\\Mozilla\\Mozilla
Firefox\\#{keys[0]}\\Main")
                  reg1.each do |subkey, type, data|
                      if(subkey =~ /pathtoexe/i)
                          path_to_exe = data
                      end
                  end
              end
              path_to_exe
        end

        # override the initialize method for working with mac
        #
        #  TODO - where is firefox kept on other machines?
        #

          # Description:
          #   Starts the firefox browser. Currently this only works
for Windows Platform.
          #   For others, you need to start Firefox manually using -jssh option.
          #   On windows this starts the first version listed in the registry.
          #
          # Input:
          #   waitTime - Time to wait for Firefox to start. By default
it waits for 2 seconds.
          #              This is done because if Firefox is not
started and we try to connect
          #              to jssh on port 9997 an exception is thrown.

          # TODO: Start the firefox version given by user. For example
          #       ff = FireWatir::Firefox.new("1.5.0.4")
          #
          def initialize(options = {})

                  @port = options[:port] || 9997

      			if(options.kind_of?(Integer))
                      options = {:waitTime => options}
                  end

                  if(options[:profile] ||= ENV['WATIR_PROFILE'])
                      profile_opt = "-P #{options[:profile]}"
                  else
                      profile_opt = ""
                  end

                  log "PROFILE: #{profile_opt}"

                  waitTime = options[:waitTime] || 2
              if(RUBY_PLATFORM =~ /.*mswin.*/)
                  #log "plaftorm is windows"

                  # try to attach to an existing one
                  begin
                      set_defaults

                  rescue FireWatir::Exception::UnableToStartJSShException
                      path_to_exe = Firefox.exe_path
                      @t = Thread.new { system("\"#{path_to_exe}\"
-no-remote -jssh 9997 -p default ") }



                      log "Starting Firefox using the executable :
#{path_to_exe}"
                      log "Waiting for #{waitTime} seconds for Firefox
to get started."
                      wait_for_connected_browser

                      set_defaults
                  end

              elsif(RUBY_PLATFORM =~ /linux/i)
                  log RUBY_PLATFORM
                  path_to_bin = `which firefox`.strip
                  log "#{path_to_bin} -jssh"
                  @t = Thread.new { `#{path_to_bin} -jssh` }
              elsif(RUBY_PLATFORM =~/darwin/i)

				  begin
				  	 # try to connect to an existing ff
				  	
					  set_defaults
				  rescue #FireWatir::Exception::UnableToStartJSShException
					  log "new failed, trying start"
					  path_to_bin = "/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox"
					  log "#{path_to_bin} -jssh"
	
					  @t=Thread.new{ `#{path_to_bin} --p default -jssh 9997 &` }
                      wait_for_connected_browser
                      set_defaults
				   end		
              end

              #set_defaults()

              get_window_number()

              set_browser_document()
          end  # initialize

          def wait_for_connected_browser
               connected = false
                start = Time.now.to_i
                while connected == false and   Time.now.to_i < start+10
                     begin
                         t = TCPSocket.new('localhost' , 9997 )
                         connected = true
                     rescue
                         connected = false
                         sleep 0.2
                     end

                end
          end
	


I think this uses an open browser if its there, and if its not opens a
new one. The problem comes if there is an open browser that doesnt
have jssh running.
At one point it did support having 2 browsers, but Im not sure if that
still works

Paul

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is
>> already opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something
>> with running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I
>> had to install the patched XPI file.
>>
>> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
>> multiple instances?
>
> I was the one who added the support for handling multiple instances. I
> committed this patch contributed by "Steve".
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> I have reproduced the problem that you mention ("I can't start Firefox if
> Firefox is already opened") and will look into it further.
>
> Bret
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From dave.liebreich at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 19:13:41 2008
From: dave.liebreich at gmail.com (Dave Liebreich)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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IIRC, it's the -no-remote arg to firefox that forces a new instance,
rather than a new window in an existing instance.  Setting the env var
MOZ_NO_REMOTE to 1 does something similar, and may affect how firefox
handles URLS dispatched from  finder/explorer.

Regardless, if you have multiple firefox instances all running with
jssh, each instance needs to listen on a different port.

I wish I remembered this stuff more clearly and completely.  I do hope
this short comment helps.

Dave

From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 01:16:23 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:16:23 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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I'm still researching this. FYI. Thanks for all the email pointers.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is
>> already opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something
>> with running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I
>> had to install the patched XPI file.
>>
>> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
>> multiple instances?
>>
>
> I was the one who added the support for handling multiple instances. I
> committed this patch contributed by "Steve".
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> I have reproduced the problem that you mention ("I can't start Firefox if
> Firefox is already opened") and will look into it further.
>
> Bret
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist




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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 04:17:32 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:17:32 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com>
wrote:
> A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his
e-mail indexed by Google.

And I choose my e-mail as user name. I was thinking to change it to
something else but did not have the time to try.

> I don't know if this is common

As far as I remember, it did not happen before.

?eljko
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 11:24:43 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
comments if you have any.

The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.

A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
to do this.

Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
default?

New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.


-- 
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 12:02:55 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
In-Reply-To: <f81b1250806190117h4c21d7e5l40ce7c75505d7e9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>
	<f81b1250806190117h4c21d7e5l40ce7c75505d7e9d@mail.gmail.com>
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This seems to be the result of a configuration change to Confluence that
affects all OpenQA users. Patrick Lightbody would be the person to speak
with about this.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:17 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com>
> wrote:
> > A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his
> e-mail indexed by Google.
>
> And I choose my e-mail as user name. I was thinking to change it to
> something else but did not have the time to try.
>
> > I don't know if this is common
>
> As far as I remember, it did not happen before.
>
> ?eljko
> --
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 19 12:02:21 2008
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:02:21 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>

heres what Ive been doing.

I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
find it) that takes a port argument
I also use the -no-remote option on windows
I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
installed under both profiles)

This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem

Paul



On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
> Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
> several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
> comments if you have any.
>
> The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
> command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
> installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
> that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
> depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>
> A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
> supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
> each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
> to do this.
>
> Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
> whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
> them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
> using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
> but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
> testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
> there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
> default?
>
> New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
> browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
> time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
> one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
> introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
> performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 12:26:04 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
In-Reply-To: <e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
	<e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806190926t1681a41cgd5743286f0cd33df@mail.gmail.com>

that is helpful. thanks.

i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems to
depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we can
get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at hand
today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
firewatir.

Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we maintaining
Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla (are
they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience of
our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like other
plugins)?

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:

> heres what Ive been doing.
>
> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
> find it) that takes a port argument
> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
> installed under both profiles)
>
> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
> > comments if you have any.
> >
> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
> >
> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
> > to do this.
> >
> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
> > default?
> >
> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wtr-development mailing list
> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
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> >
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Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 19 13:10:48 2008
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:10:48 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
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I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
the wrong stuff

This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from

http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/


Paul

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> that is helpful. thanks.
>
> i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems to
> depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we can
> get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at hand
> today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
> firewatir.
>
> Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
> standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we maintaining
> Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla (are
> they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience of
> our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like other
> plugins)?
>
> Bret
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> heres what Ive been doing.
>>
>> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
>> find it) that takes a port argument
>> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
>> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
>> installed under both profiles)
>>
>> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
>> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
>> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
>> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
>> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
>> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
>> > comments if you have any.
>> >
>> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
>> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
>> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
>> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
>> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>> >
>> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
>> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
>> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
>> > to do this.
>> >
>> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
>> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
>> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
>> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
>> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
>> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
>> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
>> > default?
>> >
>> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
>> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
>> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
>> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
>> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
>> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bret Pettichord
>> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
>> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wtr-development mailing list
>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From alan.baird at riskmetrics.com  Thu Jun 19 13:13:30 2008
From: alan.baird at riskmetrics.com (Alan Baird)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
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I already sent him an e-mail.  He says he's looking into it.

 

AB

 

________________________________

From: wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Bret Pettichord
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:03 AM
To: Watir development
Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google

 

This seems to be the result of a configuration change to Confluence that affects all OpenQA users. Patrick Lightbody would be the person to speak with about this.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:17 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com> wrote:
> A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his e-mail indexed by Google.

And I choose my e-mail as user name. I was thinking to change it to something else but did not have the time to try.



> I don't know if this is common

As far as I remember, it did not happen before.

?eljko
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 13:56:49 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
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OK.

I had just backed out this patch from the firewatir code base when i read
this email. But i now see that this website has all the code organized very
well.

I still have my questions about how the FireWatir team has been building and
supporting the XPI's.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
> the wrong stuff
>
> This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from
>
>
> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/
>
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
> > that is helpful. thanks.
> >
> > i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems
> to
> > depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we
> can
> > get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at
> hand
> > today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
> > firewatir.
> >
> > Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
> > standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we maintaining
> > Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla
> (are
> > they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience of
> > our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like
> other
> > plugins)?
> >
> > Bret
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> heres what Ive been doing.
> >>
> >> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
> >> find it) that takes a port argument
> >> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
> >> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
> >> installed under both profiles)
> >>
> >> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
> >> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
> >> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
> >> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
> >> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
> >> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
> >> > comments if you have any.
> >> >
> >> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
> >> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
> >> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
> >> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
> >> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
> >> >
> >> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
> >> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
> >> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
> >> > to do this.
> >> >
> >> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending
> on
> >> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
> >> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
> >> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
> >> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
> >> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
> >> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
> >> > default?
> >> >
> >> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
> >> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
> >> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
> >> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
> >> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
> >> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bret Pettichord
> >> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> >> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> >> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> >> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Wtr-development mailing list
> >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wtr-development mailing list
> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wtr-development mailing list
> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 01:18:52 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:48:52 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
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Hi Bret,

Currently there is no one who is maintaining the XPI. We need to do this as
we go further. For the XPI's we need to compile the JSSh code with Firefox
code. I do that personally on my windows machine and depends on community to
create other XPIs.

We need to have a strong procedure for this. Any ideas/suggestions?

- Angrez

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> OK.
>
> I had just backed out this patch from the firewatir code base when i read
> this email. But i now see that this website has all the code organized very
> well.
>
> I still have my questions about how the FireWatir team has been building
> and supporting the XPI's.
>
> Bret
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
>> the wrong stuff
>>
>> This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from
>>
>>
>> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>> > that is helpful. thanks.
>> >
>> > i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems
>> to
>> > depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we
>> can
>> > get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at
>> hand
>> > today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
>> > firewatir.
>> >
>> > Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
>> > standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we
>> maintaining
>> > Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla
>> (are
>> > they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience
>> of
>> > our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like
>> other
>> > plugins)?
>> >
>> > Bret
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> heres what Ive been doing.
>> >>
>> >> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
>> >> find it) that takes a port argument
>> >> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
>> >> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
>> >> installed under both profiles)
>> >>
>> >> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
>> >> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
>> >> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
>> >> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
>> >> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
>> >> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
>> >> > comments if you have any.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
>> >> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In
>> my
>> >> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
>> >> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether
>> this
>> >> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>> >> >
>> >> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
>> >> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
>> >> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see
>> code
>> >> > to do this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending
>> on
>> >> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
>> >> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons
>> of
>> >> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
>> >> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
>> >> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
>> >> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
>> >> > default?
>> >> >
>> >> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
>> >> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
>> >> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is
>> this
>> >> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
>> >> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only
>> a
>> >> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Bret Pettichord
>> >> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> >> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> >> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> >> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Wtr-development mailing list
>> >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >> >
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Wtr-development mailing list
>> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bret Pettichord
>> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wtr-development mailing list
>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 20 02:20:40 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:20:40 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
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Where does the JSSH code come from? Mozilla? Maybe i should talk to some
people there about supporting this?

In the mean time, WatirCraft may be able to take over this responsibilty. I
recently got a mac myself.

Bret

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bret,
>
> Currently there is no one who is maintaining the XPI. We need to do this as
> we go further. For the XPI's we need to compile the JSSh code with Firefox
> code. I do that personally on my windows machine and depends on community to
> create other XPIs.
>
> We need to have a strong procedure for this. Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> OK.
>>
>> I had just backed out this patch from the firewatir code base when i read
>> this email. But i now see that this website has all the code organized very
>> well.
>>
>> I still have my questions about how the FireWatir team has been building
>> and supporting the XPI's.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
>>> the wrong stuff
>>>
>>> This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from
>>>
>>>
>>> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > that is helpful. thanks.
>>> >
>>> > i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it
>>> seems to
>>> > depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we
>>> can
>>> > get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at
>>> hand
>>> > today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
>>> > firewatir.
>>> >
>>> > Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
>>> > standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we
>>> maintaining
>>> > Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla
>>> (are
>>> > they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience
>>> of
>>> > our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like
>>> other
>>> > plugins)?
>>> >
>>> > Bret
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> heres what Ive been doing.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
>>> >> find it) that takes a port argument
>>> >> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
>>> >> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
>>> >> installed under both profiles)
>>> >>
>>> >> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
>>> >> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
>>> >> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
>>> >> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
>>> >> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will
>>> list
>>> >> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
>>> >> > comments if you have any.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
>>> >> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In
>>> my
>>> >> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
>>> >> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether
>>> this
>>> >> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
>>> >> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave)
>>> that
>>> >> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see
>>> code
>>> >> > to do this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending
>>> on
>>> >> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
>>> >> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons
>>> of
>>> >> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a
>>> bit,
>>> >> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications
>>> for
>>> >> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
>>> >> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it
>>> the
>>> >> > default?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
>>> >> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
>>> >> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is
>>> this
>>> >> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
>>> >> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only
>>> a
>>> >> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Bret Pettichord
>>> >> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>>> >> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>>> >> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>>> >> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>> >> > Wtr-development mailing list
>>> >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>> >> >
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Wtr-development mailing list
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>>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Bret Pettichord
>>> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>>> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>>> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>>> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
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>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Jun 11 17:37:51 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday, we released Watir 1.5.6. This included a number of bug
fixes. We plan to continue to release updates to Watir with more bug
fixes as well as completing our support for locating elements via
multiple attributes.

But we also will be focusing on integrating Watir with FireWatir and
improving our ability to support other browsers as well.

There are three major elements to our plan for integrating Watir and
FireWatir.

1. Put both Watir and FireWatir under continuous integration
(CruiseControl.rb). This means that both tools will automatically be
regression tested (using their unit test suites) every time any change
is made to their code bases. This will facilitate taking contributions
from people working on different platforms.

2. Merging the test suites. We need to have a single test suite that
we can use to validate any Watir implementation. This means that the
standard Watir test suite must be upgraded to allow it to execute
against any browser. It also requires us to be able to tag those tests
that only apply to one implementation.

3. Migrate FireWatir into the same SVN repository as Watir. Once this
is done, it will facilitate being able to refactor code from both code
bases towards increased reuse and the evolution of an adaptor
architecture.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From angrez at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 01:36:08 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06:08 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bret,

Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
right?

- Angrez

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> Yesterday, we released Watir 1.5.6. This included a number of bug
> fixes. We plan to continue to release updates to Watir with more bug
> fixes as well as completing our support for locating elements via
> multiple attributes.
>
> But we also will be focusing on integrating Watir with FireWatir and
> improving our ability to support other browsers as well.
>
> There are three major elements to our plan for integrating Watir and
> FireWatir.
>
> 1. Put both Watir and FireWatir under continuous integration
> (CruiseControl.rb). This means that both tools will automatically be
> regression tested (using their unit test suites) every time any change
> is made to their code bases. This will facilitate taking contributions
> from people working on different platforms.
>
> 2. Merging the test suites. We need to have a single test suite that
> we can use to validate any Watir implementation. This means that the
> standard Watir test suite must be upgraded to allow it to execute
> against any browser. It also requires us to be able to tag those tests
> that only apply to one implementation.
>
> 3. Migrate FireWatir into the same SVN repository as Watir. Once this
> is done, it will facilitate being able to refactor code from both code
> bases towards increased reuse and the evolution of an adaptor
> architecture.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 14:30:22 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>

I just ran all the unit tests for Firewatir
(unittests/mozilla_all_tests.rb) on a new machine.

I ran into two errors, in attach_to_new_window.rb. I was able to
correct these errors by doing the following:

1. Change the preferences to open new windows in a new window (instead of a tab)
2. Clicked the little message to "allow popups from".

I'm not sure if this is documented somewhere or not.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 16:01:11 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
> right?

Right now I am hung up trying to apply this patch
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13

to the google code code base. This had already been applied to the
openqa code base, but it seems that conflicting changes have since
been made to the google code code base.

If any one has any insight, i would appreciate it. I'm having to go
through the last six months of the code history to understand the
changes that have been made and this may take me some time.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 17:50:01 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121450v12be985y9961ea1b2b4f6918@mail.gmail.com>

I'm no longer hung up on this problem. I'll send a status report out
shortly under a separate subject line.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
>> right?
>
> Right now I am hung up trying to apply this patch
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> to the google code code base. This had already been applied to the
> openqa code base, but it seems that conflicting changes have since
> been made to the google code code base.
>
> If any one has any insight, i would appreciate it. I'm having to go
> through the last six months of the code history to understand the
> changes that have been made and this may take me some time.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>



-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 18:02:58 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>

I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
into the code base here
  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]

I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
today about, but they now seem to be resolved.

The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
speed improvement.

Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
from trunk very shortly.

The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir

However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
this.

Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
wondering if these patches still need to be applied?

I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.

I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
know the OpenQA logins for these people.

Bret


-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:49:44 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:19:44 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>

Bret,

This has been documented in the installation guide which can be downloaded
from google code.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I just ran all the unit tests for Firewatir
> (unittests/mozilla_all_tests.rb) on a new machine.
>
> I ran into two errors, in attach_to_new_window.rb. I was able to
> correct these errors by doing the following:
>
> 1. Change the preferences to open new windows in a new window (instead of a
> tab)
> 2. Clicked the little message to "allow popups from".
>
> I'm not sure if this is documented somewhere or not.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:52:34 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:22:34 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>

Bret,

Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
Firewatir/Watir mailing list.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
> into the code base here
>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>
> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>
> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
> speed improvement.
>
> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
> from trunk very shortly.
>
> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>
> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
> this.
>
> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>
> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>
> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>
> Bret
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 02:28:41 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:58:41 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>

I think the patches submitted over here:
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/752f101333eabfb6/5cca15d1d51a2e9e?lnk=gst&q=patch#5cca15d1d51a2e9e

are not applied to the code. Let me apply that before going further with the
migration.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bret,
>
> Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
> checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
> we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
> Firewatir/Watir mailing list.
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
>> into the code base here
>>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>>
>> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
>> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>>
>> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
>> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
>> speed improvement.
>>
>> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
>> from trunk very shortly.
>>
>> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>>
>> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
>> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
>> this.
>>
>> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
>> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
>> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
>> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>>
>> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
>> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
>> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
>> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>>
>> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
>> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
>> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 10:05:18 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:05:18 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806130705q35b34e5ewf45820ac25e4253b@mail.gmail.com>

> This has been documented in the installation guide which can be downloaded
> from google code.
>
> - Angrez

Excellent.


From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 15:28:31 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:28:31 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
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Great, glad to hear you are on top of this. I just responded there
asking if you were on this, before reading here that you are.

Thanks much. BTW, i'm going to remove the redundant patch files. I'm
anal that way.

Bret

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the patches submitted over here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/752f101333eabfb6/5cca15d1d51a2e9e?lnk=gst&q=patch#5cca15d1d51a2e9e
>
> are not applied to the code. Let me apply that before going further with the
> migration.
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bret,
>>
>> Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
>> checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
>> we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
>> Firewatir/Watir mailing list.
>>
>> - Angrez
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
>>> into the code base here
>>>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>>>
>>> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
>>> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>>>
>>> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
>>> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
>>> speed improvement.
>>>
>>> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
>>> from trunk very shortly.
>>>
>>> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>>>
>>> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
>>> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
>>> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
>>> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
>>> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>>>
>>> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
>>> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
>>> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
>>> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>>>
>>> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
>>> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
>>> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>>>
>>> Bret
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bret Pettichord
>>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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>>
>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 16:28:38 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806131328w2c1069d8m6ec04f5c2b57a6d2@mail.gmail.com>

Angrez,

After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.

But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the five
patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did this by
inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to see if
their changes were there.

These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:

  escaping_fix.patch
  support-button.patch.txt

These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:

  dom_events.patch
  patch
  use_profile.patch

I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
happy to do so. Any suggestions?

Bret

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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 14 15:40:55 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>

Do these need updating::

1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

We also need to start thinking about what we are gonna call the
FireWatir\Watir merge?

And also add Firewatir capabilities on the tutorial.

Aidy


From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Jun 14 16:33:38 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:33:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Do these need updating::
>
> 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."


Yes this is out of date.

>
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?


I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and cons
both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.

We also need to start thinking about what we are gonna call the
> FireWatir\Watir merge?
>
> And also add Firewatir capabilities on the tutorial.
>

I am happy to put off worrying about these until more progress is made.

Bret

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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 14 16:39:58 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:39:58 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806141339l5358298fu82678d982c09c55c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bret,

On 14/06/2008, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > Do these need updating::
> >
> > 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> > 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
>
> Yes this is out of date.
 So what shall I put Ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 final?

> >
> > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
>
> I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and cons
> both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.
>
Already changed it now, but can role back .

Alan, is going from the bottom, myself from the top. (Installation
page is done after the Ruby v change (above) is finalised.

Aidy


From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Jun 14 16:47:41 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:47:41 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806141339l5358298fu82678d982c09c55c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:39 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

>
> > > 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> > > 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
> >
> > Yes this is out of date.
>  So what shall I put Ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 final?
>
*
This is what i put on wtr.rubyforge.org:

*
>
> *We recommend Ruby 1.8.5-24 or Ruby 1.8.6-26 final (or later)*





> > > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
> >
> > I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and
> cons
> > both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.
> >
> Already changed it now, but can role back .


I'm happy to let you all make the call on this. It has been a long time
since Kohl wrote the original and I think we have a much better idea now of
what works for people.

>
>
> Alan, is going from the bottom, myself from the top. (Installation
> page is done after the Ruby v change (above) is finalised.
>

Sounds good. Appreciate the help.


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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 15 16:44:04 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this

> (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)

Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.

Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case

Aidy


From bret at pettichord.com  Sun Jun 15 17:02:44 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806151402v6e24bbcp256ed2f7ff2493de@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
>
> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>
> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
>
> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
>

Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not a
completely accurate one.

I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners need
basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree are
100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.

Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind of
data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how to
express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot return
an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.

But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and "false"
in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
because this is not true of almost any other language.

You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this is
not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural, but
even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.

This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should be
placed in the class where they are needed.

Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of a
misunderstanding that you are worried about?

One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to accompany a
face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?

Bret

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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Jun 11 17:37:51 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday, we released Watir 1.5.6. This included a number of bug
fixes. We plan to continue to release updates to Watir with more bug
fixes as well as completing our support for locating elements via
multiple attributes.

But we also will be focusing on integrating Watir with FireWatir and
improving our ability to support other browsers as well.

There are three major elements to our plan for integrating Watir and
FireWatir.

1. Put both Watir and FireWatir under continuous integration
(CruiseControl.rb). This means that both tools will automatically be
regression tested (using their unit test suites) every time any change
is made to their code bases. This will facilitate taking contributions
from people working on different platforms.

2. Merging the test suites. We need to have a single test suite that
we can use to validate any Watir implementation. This means that the
standard Watir test suite must be upgraded to allow it to execute
against any browser. It also requires us to be able to tag those tests
that only apply to one implementation.

3. Migrate FireWatir into the same SVN repository as Watir. Once this
is done, it will facilitate being able to refactor code from both code
bases towards increased reuse and the evolution of an adaptor
architecture.

Bret

-- 
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CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
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From angrez at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 01:36:08 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:06:08 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bret,

Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
right?

- Angrez

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> Yesterday, we released Watir 1.5.6. This included a number of bug
> fixes. We plan to continue to release updates to Watir with more bug
> fixes as well as completing our support for locating elements via
> multiple attributes.
>
> But we also will be focusing on integrating Watir with FireWatir and
> improving our ability to support other browsers as well.
>
> There are three major elements to our plan for integrating Watir and
> FireWatir.
>
> 1. Put both Watir and FireWatir under continuous integration
> (CruiseControl.rb). This means that both tools will automatically be
> regression tested (using their unit test suites) every time any change
> is made to their code bases. This will facilitate taking contributions
> from people working on different platforms.
>
> 2. Merging the test suites. We need to have a single test suite that
> we can use to validate any Watir implementation. This means that the
> standard Watir test suite must be upgraded to allow it to execute
> against any browser. It also requires us to be able to tag those tests
> that only apply to one implementation.
>
> 3. Migrate FireWatir into the same SVN repository as Watir. Once this
> is done, it will facilitate being able to refactor code from both code
> bases towards increased reuse and the evolution of an adaptor
> architecture.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 14:30:22 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>

I just ran all the unit tests for Firewatir
(unittests/mozilla_all_tests.rb) on a new machine.

I ran into two errors, in attach_to_new_window.rb. I was able to
correct these errors by doing the following:

1. Change the preferences to open new windows in a new window (instead of a tab)
2. Clicked the little message to "allow popups from".

I'm not sure if this is documented somewhere or not.

Bret

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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 16:01:11 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
> right?

Right now I am hung up trying to apply this patch
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13

to the google code code base. This had already been applied to the
openqa code base, but it seems that conflicting changes have since
been made to the google code code base.

If any one has any insight, i would appreciate it. I'm having to go
through the last six months of the code history to understand the
changes that have been made and this may take me some time.

Bret

-- 
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CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 17:50:01 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Integrating Watir and FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806111437g2a98d458xe1124dc0a2a2b1c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806112236k37021344xa339b30c5129b3fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806121301l2ecf2f9ex4e5fadfb3813cf51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121450v12be985y9961ea1b2b4f6918@mail.gmail.com>

I'm no longer hung up on this problem. I'll send a status report out
shortly under a separate subject line.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Any ideas of when we can start up the integration? SVN would be at OpenQA
>> right?
>
> Right now I am hung up trying to apply this patch
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> to the google code code base. This had already been applied to the
> openqa code base, but it seems that conflicting changes have since
> been made to the google code code base.
>
> If any one has any insight, i would appreciate it. I'm having to go
> through the last six months of the code history to understand the
> changes that have been made and this may take me some time.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>



-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 12 18:02:58 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>

I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
into the code base here
  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]

I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
today about, but they now seem to be resolved.

The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
speed improvement.

Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
from trunk very shortly.

The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir

However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
this.

Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
wondering if these patches still need to be applied?

I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.

I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
know the OpenQA logins for these people.

Bret


-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:49:44 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:19:44 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>

Bret,

This has been documented in the installation guide which can be downloaded
from google code.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I just ran all the unit tests for Firewatir
> (unittests/mozilla_all_tests.rb) on a new machine.
>
> I ran into two errors, in attach_to_new_window.rb. I was able to
> correct these errors by doing the following:
>
> 1. Change the preferences to open new windows in a new window (instead of a
> tab)
> 2. Clicked the little message to "allow popups from".
>
> I'm not sure if this is documented somewhere or not.
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:52:34 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:22:34 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>

Bret,

Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
Firewatir/Watir mailing list.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
> into the code base here
>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>
> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>
> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
> speed improvement.
>
> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
> from trunk very shortly.
>
> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>
> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
> this.
>
> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>
> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>
> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>
> Bret
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 02:28:41 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:58:41 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>

I think the patches submitted over here:
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/752f101333eabfb6/5cca15d1d51a2e9e?lnk=gst&q=patch#5cca15d1d51a2e9e

are not applied to the code. Let me apply that before going further with the
migration.

- Angrez

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bret,
>
> Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
> checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
> we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
> Firewatir/Watir mailing list.
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
>> into the code base here
>>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>>
>> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
>> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>>
>> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
>> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
>> speed improvement.
>>
>> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
>> from trunk very shortly.
>>
>> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>>
>> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
>> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
>> this.
>>
>> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
>> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
>> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
>> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>>
>> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
>> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
>> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
>> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>>
>> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
>> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
>> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 10:05:18 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:05:18 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Unit Tests
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121130u42f50c74w7d7c7dded28ea160@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122249h20713eb0uad153283120ad733@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806130705q35b34e5ewf45820ac25e4253b@mail.gmail.com>

> This has been documented in the installation guide which can be downloaded
> from google code.
>
> - Angrez

Excellent.


From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 15:28:31 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:28:31 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Merging & Migrating FireWatir
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806121502l105c4823t3189dbaabfe5bf39@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122252j31949894i677fa293c7cd181@mail.gmail.com>
	<e26bda3e0806122328w22c971cdgf43b9b7ff1600100@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806131228i2d21d927u58534fe9a64fcce2@mail.gmail.com>

Great, glad to hear you are on top of this. I just responded there
asking if you were on this, before reading here that you are.

Thanks much. BTW, i'm going to remove the redundant patch files. I'm
anal that way.

Bret

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the patches submitted over here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/752f101333eabfb6/5cca15d1d51a2e9e?lnk=gst&q=patch#5cca15d1d51a2e9e
>
> are not applied to the code. Let me apply that before going further with the
> migration.
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bret,
>>
>> Thanks for all your efforts for merging the code. All the patches that are
>> checked in are applied to the code. It was redundant check in's. I believe
>> we can remove them. Also regarding other patches, I'll search in the
>> Firewatir/Watir mailing list.
>>
>> - Angrez
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have successfully merged the firewatir codebase here
>>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/watir/vendor/firewatir [A]
>>> into the code base here
>>>  https://firewatir.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/FireWatir [B]
>>>
>>> I had a few hiccups along the way, which i posted to this list earlier
>>> today about, but they now seem to be resolved.
>>>
>>> The main advantage to the FireWatir codebase of this merge, is that it
>>> now contains support for running multiple browsers. There is also a
>>> speed improvement.
>>>
>>> Because the codebase at [A] is now redundant, I will be removing it
>>> from trunk very shortly.
>>>
>>> The next step would be to migrate the code from [B] to
>>>  https://svn.openqa.org/svn/watir/trunk/firewatir
>>>
>>> However, before i do this, i noticed that there are several patch
>>> files checked directly into the code base. I'm pretty confused by
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Angrez, can you explain this? The usual practice is that you "apply" a
>>> patch, which makes changes to existing files and then check in the
>>> changed files. In several cases, it seems that this wasn't done. I'm
>>> wondering if these patches still need to be applied?
>>>
>>> I also know that a number of other patches to FireWatir have been
>>> floating around. I would appreciate you all's help in tracking these
>>> down. I've added a "FireWatir" component to Watir's Jira tracking
>>> system: it would be great if the patches were put in there.
>>>
>>> I would also like to make sure that we give Watir commit rights to all
>>> the FireWatir committers. Angrez, can you help with this? I need to
>>> know the OpenQA logins for these people.
>>>
>>> Bret
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bret Pettichord
>>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
>>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist


From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 13 16:28:38 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806131328w2c1069d8m6ec04f5c2b57a6d2@mail.gmail.com>

Angrez,

After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.

But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the five
patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did this by
inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to see if
their changes were there.

These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:

  escaping_fix.patch
  support-button.patch.txt

These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:

  dom_events.patch
  patch
  use_profile.patch

I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
happy to do so. Any suggestions?

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 14 15:40:55 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>

Do these need updating::

1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

We also need to start thinking about what we are gonna call the
FireWatir\Watir merge?

And also add Firewatir capabilities on the tutorial.

Aidy


From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Jun 14 16:33:38 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:33:38 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Do these need updating::
>
> 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."


Yes this is out of date.

>
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?


I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and cons
both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.

We also need to start thinking about what we are gonna call the
> FireWatir\Watir merge?
>
> And also add Firewatir capabilities on the tutorial.
>

I am happy to put off worrying about these until more progress is made.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 14 16:39:58 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:39:58 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806141339l5358298fu82678d982c09c55c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bret,

On 14/06/2008, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > Do these need updating::
> >
> > 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> > 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
>
> Yes this is out of date.
 So what shall I put Ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 final?

> >
> > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
>
> I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and cons
> both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.
>
Already changed it now, but can role back .

Alan, is going from the bottom, myself from the top. (Installation
page is done after the Ruby v change (above) is finalised.

Aidy


From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Jun 14 16:47:41 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:47:41 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <7ac2300c0806141339l5358298fu82678d982c09c55c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ac2300c0806141240w7aa59be4g60333e2662fa540a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806141333u19b64d9an66edd5ac1df49ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<7ac2300c0806141339l5358298fu82678d982c09c55c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806141347o72d1909byb9c6f96e7ed75e03@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:39 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

>
> > > 1. Installation: "Watir has been developed and tested using Ruby
> > > 1.8.2-15 on Windows 2000 and XP."
> >
> > Yes this is out of date.
>  So what shall I put Ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.6 final?
>
*
This is what i put on wtr.rubyforge.org:

*
>
> *We recommend Ruby 1.8.5-24 or Ruby 1.8.6-26 final (or later)*





> > > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
> >
> > I'd like to hear more comments on this suggestion. I can see pros and
> cons
> > both ways and would like some one else to make the call on this.
> >
> Already changed it now, but can role back .


I'm happy to let you all make the call on this. It has been a long time
since Kohl wrote the original and I think we have a much better idea now of
what works for people.

>
>
> Alan, is going from the bottom, myself from the top. (Installation
> page is done after the Ruby v change (above) is finalised.
>

Sounds good. Appreciate the help.


-- 
Bret Pettichord
CTO, WatirCraft LLC
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 15 16:44:04 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
Message-ID: <7ac2300c0806151344p22c2ebcdo42e232c94ba4d366@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this

> (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)

Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.

Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case

Aidy


From bret at pettichord.com  Sun Jun 15 17:02:44 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
>
> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>
> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
>
> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
>

Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not a
completely accurate one.

I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners need
basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree are
100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.

Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind of
data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how to
express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot return
an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.

But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and "false"
in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
because this is not true of almost any other language.

You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this is
not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural, but
even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.

This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should be
placed in the class where they are needed.

Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of a
misunderstanding that you are worried about?

One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to accompany a
face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?

Bret

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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 18:32:25 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:32:25 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

I like the command line. I tried Scite and did not like it.

?eljko
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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 03:06:04 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:36:04 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
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Hi Bret,

I can see these patches are applied to the respective files. I think we are
not looking at the same source code. I am looking at revision 137, the
patches are there.

- Angrez

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> Angrez,
>
> After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
> had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.
>
> But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the five
> patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did this by
> inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to see if
> their changes were there.
>
> These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:
>
>   escaping_fix.patch
>   support-button.patch.txt
>
> These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:
>
>   dom_events.patch
>   patch
>   use_profile.patch
>
> I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
> there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
> looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
> happy to do so. Any suggestions?
>
> Bret
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 04:52:36 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:22:36 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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I updated my local svn here and try to apply the patch. I had to do it
manually. After applying everything was working fine except for a loop, I
don't understand why it didn't worked. Following are the changes that I did
to make it work:

changed ( !url == last_url) to ( url != last_url)

not sure whats the difference. But all tests are running fine. I still have
to test for X11 implementation. Not sure how to test it?

- Angrez

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

>
> Angrez,
>
> I'm putting a hold on migrating FireWatir to OpenQA until you've had a
> chance to decide what to do with Derek's patches. (It will be difficult
> to apply these patches to the new repository.)
>
> Please let me know when you've decided how you want to proceed with these.
>
> Bret
>
>
> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "FireWatir" group.
> To post to this group, send email to firewatir at googlegroups.com
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> firewatir-unsubscribe at googlegroups.com
> For more options, visit this group at
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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 04:59:52 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:29:52 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is already
opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something with
running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I had
to install the patched XPI file.

Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
multiple instances?

- Angrez

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> I updated my local svn here and try to apply the patch. I had to do it
> manually. After applying everything was working fine except for a loop, I
> don't understand why it didn't worked. Following are the changes that I did
> to make it work:
>
> changed ( !url == last_url) to ( url != last_url)
>
> not sure whats the difference. But all tests are running fine. I still have
> to test for X11 implementation. Not sure how to test it?
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Angrez,
>>
>> I'm putting a hold on migrating FireWatir to OpenQA until you've had a
>> chance to decide what to do with Derek's patches. (It will be difficult
>> to apply these patches to the new repository.)
>>
>> Please let me know when you've decided how you want to proceed with these.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "FireWatir" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to firewatir at googlegroups.com
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>> firewatir-unsubscribe at googlegroups.com
>> For more options, visit this group at
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>> -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
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From alan.baird at riskmetrics.com  Mon Jun 16 09:01:38 2008
From: alan.baird at riskmetrics.com (Alan Baird)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:01:38 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
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My opinion on this is that we should write our guide to support as many "styles" of usage as feasible without sacrificing readability.  We don't know what people have access to or what environment they are running in.  Maybe command line is all someone has (esp. if they work in a restrictive corporate environment).  Personally, I use SciTE a lot, but I find that eventually I have to leave it because it doesn't support command line arguments.

 

Alan 

 

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Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial

 

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?

I like the command line. I tried Scite and did not like it.

?eljko
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 16 09:17:36 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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Hi Bret,

2008/6/15 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
>>
>> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>>
>> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
>>
>> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
>> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
>
> Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not a
> completely accurate one.
>
> I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners need
> basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
> people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree are
> 100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.
>
Just because something is accessible doesn't mean that it can be
inaccurate. Orwell's '1984' is accessible (used to be on the school
curriculum) but it takes experience to fully understand it.

> Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind of
> data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how to
> express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
> it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
> objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot return
> an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.
>
> But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and "false"
> in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
> because this is not true of almost any other language.

OK. How about keywords and blocks?
>
> You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this is
> not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
> here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural, but
> even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.

You can write procdeural code in Ruby (see my framework), it is only
till recently while I have been pairing with developers that I have
begun to realise how procedural my code was. Testers are likely to
write procedural code in Ruby as they are coming from QTP, VBA or
Rational Robot etc. It is not the most effecient or enjoyable way to
write code; as there is always that nagging thought - that it is not
right. I think Matz in his book says we can write procedural code in
Ruby - as we can do in Python.
>
> This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
> statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should be
> placed in the class where they are needed.

And this is my point. From the Watir examples I was putting 'includes'
at the top of files and not mixing in. It was a bad way of doing
things.

Other bad examples are: using xUnit and FIT for workflow tests. I
spent months trying fit xUnit into into acceptance tests. Rspec
story-runner fits.
>
> Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of a
> misunderstanding that you are worried about?

My point is that we need accurate and good examples from the start.
That I believe is something I need to start off.
>
> One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to accompany a
> face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?
>
> Bret
>
Aidy


From bernerbits at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 09:40:09 2008
From: bernerbits at gmail.com (Derek Berner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:40:09 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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I didn't modify the XPI...

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is already
> opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something with
> running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I had
> to install the patched XPI file.
>
> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
> multiple instances?
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I updated my local svn here and try to apply the patch. I had to do it
>> manually. After applying everything was working fine except for a loop, I
>> don't understand why it didn't worked. Following are the changes that I did
>> to make it work:
>>
>> changed ( !url == last_url) to ( url != last_url)
>>
>> not sure whats the difference. But all tests are running fine. I still
>> have to test for X11 implementation. Not sure how to test it?
>>
>> - Angrez
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Angrez,
>>>
>>> I'm putting a hold on migrating FireWatir to OpenQA until you've had a
>>> chance to decide what to do with Derek's patches. (It will be difficult
>>> to apply these patches to the new repository.)
>>>
>>> Please let me know when you've decided how you want to proceed with
>>> these.
>>>
>>> Bret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "FireWatir" group.
> To post to this group, send email to firewatir at googlegroups.com
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>
>


From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 00:23:02 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Status
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806162123q4650dd5fqc664f9c204f49333@mail.gmail.com>

Angrez,

Thanks for responding to my many questions about the FireWatir patches and
integration. I regret that I was not able to respond today. I will get to it
tomorrow.

Bret

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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 18:22:53 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir Patch Files in SVN
In-Reply-To: <e26bda3e0806160006j552a340ue991e5334c744f05@mail.gmail.com>
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Angrez,

I comment on the two patches in question separately.

escaping_fix.patch

I looked at this patch more closely. It consists of three corrections to a
misspelled variable ('assingning_value'), as well as a couple of lines of
operational fixes. The fixes had indeed been applied, but the spelling
corrections had not. I committed the spelling corrections with revision 138.

support-button.patch.txt

This patch, to me, very clearly had not been applied. I am also looking at
revision 137. So I went ahead and applied it, committing it to revision 139.
Can you see it now? I haven't thought through the implications of this
change, so if you have concerns, I'm happy to back it out. Right now, I just
want to figure out how to get us on the same page. (I'll review the code to
this more closely tomorrow regardless.)

Bret

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bret,
>
> I can see these patches are applied to the respective files. I think we are
> not looking at the same source code. I am looking at revision 137, the
> patches are there.
>
> - Angrez
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Angrez,
>>
>> After you said that the patch files checked into FireWatir-GoogleCode SVN
>> had already been applied, I said that i would delete them.
>>
>> But before i did this, i double checked them and found that two of the
>> five patch files did not look like they had actually been applied. I did
>> this by inspecting the patch files and then manually checking the source to
>> see if their changes were there.
>>
>> These are the files that did not appear to have been applied:
>>
>>   escaping_fix.patch
>>   support-button.patch.txt
>>
>> These looked like they had been applied and are thus redundant:
>>
>>   dom_events.patch
>>   patch
>>   use_profile.patch
>>
>> I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm happy to apply the unapplied patches. Was
>> there a reason they weren't applied in the first place? I haven't really
>> looked into the reasons or implications of these changes, although I am
>> happy to do so. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Bret
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 18:27:41 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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Aidy,

I said this in IRC, but it bears repeating here.

I made my case for why i thought the original made sense, but since you are
taking over responsibility for the documentation, the final decision is
yours, in collaboration with Alan, I suppose.

Bret

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Bret,
>
> 2008/6/15 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>:
> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On the Ruby cheat sheet Marick (I think) writes this
> >>
> >> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
> >>
> >> Not true. The 'if' expression is not an object.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think it indicates to new users that whatever they write in
> >> Ruby will be OOP. And it is not the case
> >
> > Well since it is a cheat sheet, it is meant to be a summary of ideas, not
> a
> > completely accurate one.
> >
> > I've been reading Kathy Sierra lately and she talks about how beginners
> need
> > basic ideas, and that a problem with a lot of technical writing is that
> > people are more concerned with writing sentences that experts will agree
> are
> > 100% accurate rather than that beginners will agree are 100% helpful.
> >
> Just because something is accessible doesn't mean that it can be
> inaccurate. Orwell's '1984' is accessible (used to be on the school
> curriculum) but it takes experience to fully understand it.
>
> > Ruby is unlike almost any other computer language in that the only kind
> of
> > data that it supports are objects. You can get into semantics about how
> to
> > express this idea, but the important thing, first, is that you understand
> > it. For example, in Java, integers are not objects, only some things are
> > objects and other things are not. In Java, and if expression cannot
> return
> > an object, only a boolean, which is not an object.
> >
> > But in Ruby and if expression really is an object. Both "true" and
> "false"
> > in Ruby are objects and they have methods. This surprises many people
> > because this is not true of almost any other language.
>
> OK. How about keywords and blocks?
> >
> > You say that this implies that everything in Ruby will be OOP, but this
> is
> > not the case. I need to understand more about what you are trying to say
> > here. Ruby does allow you to write code that appears to be procedural,
> but
> > even this really just amounts to methods on the Kernal class.
>
> You can write procdeural code in Ruby (see my framework), it is only
> till recently while I have been pairing with developers that I have
> begun to realise how procedural my code was. Testers are likely to
> write procedural code in Ruby as they are coming from QTP, VBA or
> Rational Robot etc. It is not the most effecient or enjoyable way to
> write code; as there is always that nagging thought - that it is not
> right. I think Matz in his book says we can write procedural code in
> Ruby - as we can do in Python.
> >
> > This fact has important consequences. E.g. it is the reason why "include"
> > statements should not be placed at the top of a file, but rather should
> be
> > placed in the class where they are needed.
>
> And this is my point. From the Watir examples I was putting 'includes'
> at the top of files and not mixing in. It was a bad way of doing
> things.
>
> Other bad examples are: using xUnit and FIT for workflow tests. I
> spent months trying fit xUnit into into acceptance tests. Rspec
> story-runner fits.
> >
> > Maybe you can say more about what your concern is and give an example of
> a
> > misunderstanding that you are worried about?
>
> My point is that we need accurate and good examples from the start.
> That I believe is something I need to start off.
> >
> > One problem we may have is that this cheat sheet was designed to
> accompany a
> > face-to-face class and maybe it doesn't work as well in other contexts?
> >
> > Bret
> >
> Aidy
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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Jun 17 18:31:45 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
In-Reply-To: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0B882C99@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>
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My 2 cents. I found that new users, when they are writing their first Watir
scripts, really, really like using F5 to run their scripts in Scite. If they
run from the command line, it is too easy to forget to save your script
first, whereas F5/Scite does this automatically.

Of course, Watir users do need to eventually learn to use the command line,
because there are important options, as others have pointed out, that are
only available there.

Believe it or not, I have actually had many students who get confused with
the Watir install instructions because we tell them to type X at a command
prompt -- and they say they haven't used a command prompt in say 5 years.
Wow.

Bret

2008/6/16 Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com>:

>  My opinion on this is that we should write our guide to support as many
> "styles" of usage as feasible without sacrificing readability.  We don't
> know what people have access to or what environment they are running in.
>  Maybe command line is all someone has (esp. if they work in a restrictive
> corporate environment).  Personally, I use SciTE a lot, but I find that
> eventually I have to leave it because it doesn't support command line
> arguments.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:
> wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org] *On Behalf Of *?eljko Filipin
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> *To:* Watir development
> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] Questions on the tutorial
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2. Installation: Jonathan Cole, I think has put to much emphasis on
> > the command line and I think that we should be putting more emphasis
> > on running through "Scite" for beginners, What do you think?
>
> I like the command line. I tried Scite and did not like it.
>
> ?eljko
> --
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:38:17 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:38:17 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)

And if you change it to "In fact almost everything..."?

?eljko
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From aidy.lewis at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:45:38 2008
From: aidy.lewis at googlemail.com (aidy lewis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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Hi ?eljko,

On 18/06/2008, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > > (In fact everything in Ruby is an object.)
>
> And if you change it to "In fact almost everything..."?
>
> ?eljko

Like it.

Aidy


From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 05:52:00 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:52:00 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] ruby cheat sheet
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM, aidy lewis <aidy.lewis at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Like it.

Simple solutions are the best sometimes. :)

?eljko
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From alan.baird at riskmetrics.com  Wed Jun 18 15:08:40 2008
From: alan.baird at riskmetrics.com (Alan Baird)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:08:40 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
Message-ID: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>

All -

 

A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his
e-mail indexed by Google.  Sure enough, Google apparently indexes the
personal information page on the openqa site.  I sent an email to the
site admin to see what we could do about this, if anything and have
relegated the comments to the posts section of the FAQ.

 

Why people think that defacing a wiki with a question is a good idea I
won't know.  I don't know if this is common but this is the second time
today this has happened.

 

Alan

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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Jun 18 17:28:02 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is already
> opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something with
> running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I had
> to install the patched XPI file.
>
> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
> multiple instances?
>

I was the one who added the support for handling multiple instances. I
committed this patch contributed by "Steve".
http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13

I have reproduced the problem that you mention ("I can't start Firefox if
Firefox is already opened") and will look into it further.

Bret
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 18 18:44:17 2008
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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this is what I have in my hacked up firewatir

  class Firefox


        def self.exe_path
            # Get the path to Firefox.exe using Registry.
              require 'win32/registry.rb'
              path_to_exe = ""
              Win32::Registry::HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.open('SOFTWARE\Mozilla\Mozilla
Firefox') do |reg|
                  keys = reg.keys
                  reg1 =
Win32::Registry::HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.open("SOFTWARE\\Mozilla\\Mozilla
Firefox\\#{keys[0]}\\Main")
                  reg1.each do |subkey, type, data|
                      if(subkey =~ /pathtoexe/i)
                          path_to_exe = data
                      end
                  end
              end
              path_to_exe
        end

        # override the initialize method for working with mac
        #
        #  TODO - where is firefox kept on other machines?
        #

          # Description:
          #   Starts the firefox browser. Currently this only works
for Windows Platform.
          #   For others, you need to start Firefox manually using -jssh option.
          #   On windows this starts the first version listed in the registry.
          #
          # Input:
          #   waitTime - Time to wait for Firefox to start. By default
it waits for 2 seconds.
          #              This is done because if Firefox is not
started and we try to connect
          #              to jssh on port 9997 an exception is thrown.

          # TODO: Start the firefox version given by user. For example
          #       ff = FireWatir::Firefox.new("1.5.0.4")
          #
          def initialize(options = {})

                  @port = options[:port] || 9997

      			if(options.kind_of?(Integer))
                      options = {:waitTime => options}
                  end

                  if(options[:profile] ||= ENV['WATIR_PROFILE'])
                      profile_opt = "-P #{options[:profile]}"
                  else
                      profile_opt = ""
                  end

                  log "PROFILE: #{profile_opt}"

                  waitTime = options[:waitTime] || 2
              if(RUBY_PLATFORM =~ /.*mswin.*/)
                  #log "plaftorm is windows"

                  # try to attach to an existing one
                  begin
                      set_defaults

                  rescue FireWatir::Exception::UnableToStartJSShException
                      path_to_exe = Firefox.exe_path
                      @t = Thread.new { system("\"#{path_to_exe}\"
-no-remote -jssh 9997 -p default ") }



                      log "Starting Firefox using the executable :
#{path_to_exe}"
                      log "Waiting for #{waitTime} seconds for Firefox
to get started."
                      wait_for_connected_browser

                      set_defaults
                  end

              elsif(RUBY_PLATFORM =~ /linux/i)
                  log RUBY_PLATFORM
                  path_to_bin = `which firefox`.strip
                  log "#{path_to_bin} -jssh"
                  @t = Thread.new { `#{path_to_bin} -jssh` }
              elsif(RUBY_PLATFORM =~/darwin/i)

				  begin
				  	 # try to connect to an existing ff
				  	
					  set_defaults
				  rescue #FireWatir::Exception::UnableToStartJSShException
					  log "new failed, trying start"
					  path_to_bin = "/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox"
					  log "#{path_to_bin} -jssh"
	
					  @t=Thread.new{ `#{path_to_bin} --p default -jssh 9997 &` }
                      wait_for_connected_browser
                      set_defaults
				   end		
              end

              #set_defaults()

              get_window_number()

              set_browser_document()
          end  # initialize

          def wait_for_connected_browser
               connected = false
                start = Time.now.to_i
                while connected == false and   Time.now.to_i < start+10
                     begin
                         t = TCPSocket.new('localhost' , 9997 )
                         connected = true
                     rescue
                         connected = false
                         sleep 0.2
                     end

                end
          end
	


I think this uses an open browser if its there, and if its not opens a
new one. The problem comes if there is an open browser that doesnt
have jssh running.
At one point it did support having 2 browsers, but Im not sure if that
still works

Paul

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is
>> already opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something
>> with running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I
>> had to install the patched XPI file.
>>
>> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
>> multiple instances?
>
> I was the one who added the support for handling multiple instances. I
> committed this patch contributed by "Steve".
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> I have reproduced the problem that you mention ("I can't start Firefox if
> Firefox is already opened") and will look into it further.
>
> Bret
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
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From dave.liebreich at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 19:13:41 2008
From: dave.liebreich at gmail.com (Dave Liebreich)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
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	<4852C46F.5000105@pettichord.com>
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IIRC, it's the -no-remote arg to firefox that forces a new instance,
rather than a new window in an existing instance.  Setting the env var
MOZ_NO_REMOTE to 1 does something similar, and may affect how firefox
handles URLS dispatched from  finder/explorer.

Regardless, if you have multiple firefox instances all running with
jssh, each instance needs to listen on a different port.

I wish I remembered this stuff more clearly and completely.  I do hope
this short comment helps.

Dave


From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 01:16:23 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:16:23 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir Patches
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806181428v5d9c9ec8oe68a78ffc9774ff2@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm still researching this. FYI. Thanks for all the email pointers.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One more thing I noticed is now I can't start Firefox if Firefox is
>> already opened. This was used to work earlier, is it has to do something
>> with running multiple instances code. Also for running the code correctly I
>> had to install the patched XPI file.
>>
>> Derek, could you please explain what you added in the XPI for supporting
>> multiple instances?
>>
>
> I was the one who added the support for handling multiple instances. I
> committed this patch contributed by "Steve".
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/firewatir/browse_thread/thread/9111c7a10f119a13
>
> I have reproduced the problem that you mention ("I can't start Firefox if
> Firefox is already opened") and will look into it further.
>
> Bret
> --
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> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 04:17:32 2008
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:17:32 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
In-Reply-To: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>
References: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com>
wrote:
> A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his
e-mail indexed by Google.

And I choose my e-mail as user name. I was thinking to change it to
something else but did not have the time to try.

> I don't know if this is common

As far as I remember, it did not happen before.

?eljko
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 11:24:43 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
comments if you have any.

The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.

A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
to do this.

Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
default?

New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.


-- 
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Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 12:02:55 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
In-Reply-To: <f81b1250806190117h4c21d7e5l40ce7c75505d7e9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>
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Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806190902w189545f4g195c42db54e19d1c@mail.gmail.com>

This seems to be the result of a configuration change to Confluence that
affects all OpenQA users. Patrick Lightbody would be the person to speak
with about this.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:17 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com>
> wrote:
> > A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his
> e-mail indexed by Google.
>
> And I choose my e-mail as user name. I was thinking to change it to
> something else but did not have the time to try.
>
> > I don't know if this is common
>
> As far as I remember, it did not happen before.
>
> ?eljko
> --
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 19 12:02:21 2008
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:02:21 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>

heres what Ive been doing.

I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
find it) that takes a port argument
I also use the -no-remote option on windows
I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
installed under both profiles)

This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem

Paul



On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
> Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
> several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
> comments if you have any.
>
> The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
> command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
> installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
> that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
> depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>
> A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
> supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
> each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
> to do this.
>
> Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
> whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
> them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
> using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
> but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
> testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
> there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
> default?
>
> New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
> browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
> time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
> one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
> introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
> performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 12:26:04 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
In-Reply-To: <e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
	<e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806190926t1681a41cgd5743286f0cd33df@mail.gmail.com>

that is helpful. thanks.

i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems to
depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we can
get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at hand
today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
firewatir.

Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we maintaining
Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla (are
they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience of
our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like other
plugins)?

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:

> heres what Ive been doing.
>
> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
> find it) that takes a port argument
> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
> installed under both profiles)
>
> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
> > comments if you have any.
> >
> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
> >
> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
> > to do this.
> >
> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
> > default?
> >
> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wtr-development mailing list
> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
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>



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Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 19 13:10:48 2008
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:10:48 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806190926t1681a41cgd5743286f0cd33df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
	<e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e7eaafaa0806191010m280b1deflbd396230e1cb556a@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
the wrong stuff

This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from

http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/


Paul

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> that is helpful. thanks.
>
> i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems to
> depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we can
> get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at hand
> today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
> firewatir.
>
> Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
> standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we maintaining
> Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla (are
> they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience of
> our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like other
> plugins)?
>
> Bret
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> heres what Ive been doing.
>>
>> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
>> find it) that takes a port argument
>> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
>> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
>> installed under both profiles)
>>
>> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
>> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
>> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
>> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
>> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
>> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
>> > comments if you have any.
>> >
>> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
>> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
>> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
>> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
>> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>> >
>> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
>> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
>> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
>> > to do this.
>> >
>> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending on
>> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
>> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
>> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
>> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
>> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
>> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
>> > default?
>> >
>> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
>> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
>> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
>> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
>> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
>> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bret Pettichord
>> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
>> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wtr-development mailing list
>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> _______________________________________________
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From alan.baird at riskmetrics.com  Thu Jun 19 13:13:30 2008
From: alan.baird at riskmetrics.com (Alan Baird)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0806190902w189545f4g195c42db54e19d1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A5CE@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com><f81b1250806190117h4c21d7e5l40ce7c75505d7e9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806190902w189545f4g195c42db54e19d1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <296DCA57118A7143824911216017E83B0BA1A98E@MAIL-NY01.rmg-ny.com>

I already sent him an e-mail.  He says he's looking into it.

 

AB

 

________________________________

From: wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:wtr-development-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Bret Pettichord
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:03 AM
To: Watir development
Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] openqa personal details indexed by google

 

This seems to be the result of a configuration change to Confluence that affects all OpenQA users. Patrick Lightbody would be the person to speak with about this.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:17 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Alan Baird <alan.baird at riskmetrics.com> wrote:
> A user recently posted a question directly to the FAQ about having his e-mail indexed by Google.

And I choose my e-mail as user name. I was thinking to change it to something else but did not have the time to try.



> I don't know if this is common

As far as I remember, it did not happen before.

?eljko
--
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Jun 19 13:56:49 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
In-Reply-To: <e7eaafaa0806191010m280b1deflbd396230e1cb556a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b0806190824g2499cb89g32d8c13c66c83395@mail.gmail.com>
	<e7eaafaa0806190902o230dadd6i6cd2da9b0d89af73@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0806190926t1681a41cgd5743286f0cd33df@mail.gmail.com>
	<e7eaafaa0806191010m280b1deflbd396230e1cb556a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0806191056w7d01a50bh696bde83b4b0278d@mail.gmail.com>

OK.

I had just backed out this patch from the firewatir code base when i read
this email. But i now see that this website has all the code organized very
well.

I still have my questions about how the FireWatir team has been building and
supporting the XPI's.

Bret

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
> the wrong stuff
>
> This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from
>
>
> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/
>
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
> > that is helpful. thanks.
> >
> > i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems
> to
> > depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we
> can
> > get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at
> hand
> > today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
> > firewatir.
> >
> > Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
> > standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we maintaining
> > Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla
> (are
> > they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience of
> > our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like
> other
> > plugins)?
> >
> > Bret
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> heres what Ive been doing.
> >>
> >> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
> >> find it) that takes a port argument
> >> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
> >> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
> >> installed under both profiles)
> >>
> >> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
> >> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
> >> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
> >> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
> >> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
> >> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
> >> > comments if you have any.
> >> >
> >> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
> >> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In my
> >> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
> >> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether this
> >> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
> >> >
> >> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
> >> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
> >> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see code
> >> > to do this.
> >> >
> >> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending
> on
> >> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
> >> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons of
> >> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
> >> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
> >> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
> >> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
> >> > default?
> >> >
> >> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
> >> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
> >> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is this
> >> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
> >> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only a
> >> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bret Pettichord
> >> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> >> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> >> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> >> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Wtr-development mailing list
> >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wtr-development mailing list
> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wtr-development mailing list
> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



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Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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From angrez at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 01:18:52 2008
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:48:52 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
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Hi Bret,

Currently there is no one who is maintaining the XPI. We need to do this as
we go further. For the XPI's we need to compile the JSSh code with Firefox
code. I do that personally on my windows machine and depends on community to
create other XPIs.

We need to have a strong procedure for this. Any ideas/suggestions?

- Angrez

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> OK.
>
> I had just backed out this patch from the firewatir code base when i read
> this email. But i now see that this website has all the code organized very
> well.
>
> I still have my questions about how the FireWatir team has been building
> and supporting the XPI's.
>
> Bret
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
>> the wrong stuff
>>
>> This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from
>>
>>
>> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> wrote:
>> > that is helpful. thanks.
>> >
>> > i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it seems
>> to
>> > depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we
>> can
>> > get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at
>> hand
>> > today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
>> > firewatir.
>> >
>> > Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
>> > standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we
>> maintaining
>> > Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla
>> (are
>> > they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience
>> of
>> > our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like
>> other
>> > plugins)?
>> >
>> > Bret
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> heres what Ive been doing.
>> >>
>> >> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
>> >> find it) that takes a port argument
>> >> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
>> >> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
>> >> installed under both profiles)
>> >>
>> >> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
>> >> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
>> >> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
>> >> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
>> >> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will list
>> >> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
>> >> > comments if you have any.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
>> >> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In
>> my
>> >> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
>> >> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether
>> this
>> >> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>> >> >
>> >> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
>> >> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave) that
>> >> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see
>> code
>> >> > to do this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending
>> on
>> >> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
>> >> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons
>> of
>> >> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a bit,
>> >> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications for
>> >> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
>> >> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it the
>> >> > default?
>> >> >
>> >> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
>> >> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
>> >> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is
>> this
>> >> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
>> >> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only
>> a
>> >> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Bret Pettichord
>> >> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> >> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> >> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> >> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Wtr-development mailing list
>> >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >> >
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Wtr-development mailing list
>> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bret Pettichord
>> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wtr-development mailing list
>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Jun 20 02:20:40 2008
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:20:40 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FireWatir issues with Multiple Browser Support
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Where does the JSSH code come from? Mozilla? Maybe i should talk to some
people there about supporting this?

In the mean time, WatirCraft may be able to take over this responsibilty. I
recently got a mac myself.

Bret

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bret,
>
> Currently there is no one who is maintaining the XPI. We need to do this as
> we go further. For the XPI's we need to compile the JSSh code with Firefox
> code. I do that personally on my windows machine and depends on community to
> create other XPIs.
>
> We need to have a strong procedure for this. Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> - Angrez
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
>
>> OK.
>>
>> I had just backed out this patch from the firewatir code base when i read
>> this email. But i now see that this website has all the code organized very
>> well.
>>
>> I still have my questions about how the FireWatir team has been building
>> and supporting the XPI's.
>>
>> Bret
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried my handler again, and its working fine, i was just typing
>>> the wrong stuff
>>>
>>> This is where I got the multi browser patched xpi from
>>>
>>>
>>> http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/patch-to-firewatir-and-jssh-to-support-testing-with-multiple-concurrent-firefox-browsers/
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > that is helpful. thanks.
>>> >
>>> > i think i will back out the patch to support multiple browsers. it
>>> seems to
>>> > depend on a patched xpi, and it doesn't make sense to use it unless we
>>> can
>>> > get both firewatir and the xpi patched together, which we don't have at
>>> hand
>>> > today. let's mark this as a todo item after we start merging watir and
>>> > firewatir.
>>> >
>>> > Could someone give me more info on the status of the xpi. Where is the
>>> > standard repository for this? Who maintains this code? Are we
>>> maintaining
>>> > Firewatir specific patches or are we contributing the back to Mozilla
>>> (are
>>> > they maintaining it?). Or are we just compiling it for the convenience
>>> of
>>> > our users. Has any one looked into making it easier to install (like
>>> other
>>> > plugins)?
>>> >
>>> > Bret
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> heres what Ive been doing.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a patched xpi ( source uknown right now, but I guess I could
>>> >> find it) that takes a port argument
>>> >> I also use the -no-remote option on windows
>>> >> I also use 2 different profiles ( the patched xpi needs to be
>>> >> installed under both profiles)
>>> >>
>>> >> This used to work really well, in both Win XP and Mac  but I havent
>>> >> used it for a while ( 2 months maybe)
>>> >> I just tried it and my code that handles 2 browsers nicely seems to be
>>> >> broken, but I can telnet to the 2 different browsers without problem
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > I am trying to sort through various issues that are raised by
>>> >> > Stephen's recent patch and support for multiple browsers. I will
>>> list
>>> >> > several conjectures and puzzles that I have. I would appreciate
>>> >> > comments if you have any.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The Port Argument. I'm seeing some versions/patches where the -jssh
>>> >> > command flag takes a port argument and others where it does not. In
>>> my
>>> >> > installation, the port argument does not seem to work. But i figure
>>> >> > that this must be working for some people. I am wondering whether
>>> this
>>> >> > depends on the version of the XPI that you are using.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > A Port for Each Browser? I'm not sure how the version/patch that
>>> >> > supports multiple browsers works. I also would think (like Dave)
>>> that
>>> >> > each browser would need to open a different port. But i don't see
>>> code
>>> >> > to do this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Profiles. I am wondering whether we see different behavior depending
>>> on
>>> >> > whether you are using profiles or not. It seems that some people use
>>> >> > them, others not. I would like to know more about the pros and cons
>>> of
>>> >> > using them. I understand what profiles are, and have used them a
>>> bit,
>>> >> > but not for testing. I haven't thought through their implications
>>> for
>>> >> > testing. Should separate browsers be using different profiles? If
>>> >> > there is a standard practice that we recommend, should we make it
>>> the
>>> >> > default?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > New Delay Code. Steve's patch introduced new code that polls the
>>> >> > browser to see when it is up, instead of waiting a fixed amount of
>>> >> > time (2 seconds). It does this by connecting to the jssh port. Is
>>> this
>>> >> > one connection to many? Any how, i am wondering whether this code is
>>> >> > introducing issues. I'm considering backing it out (since it is only
>>> a
>>> >> > performance improvement) while we track down the other issues.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Bret Pettichord
>>> >> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>>> >> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>>> >> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>>> >> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>> >> > Wtr-development mailing list
>>> >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>> >> >
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Bret Pettichord
>>> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>>> > Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>>> > Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>>> > MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Wtr-development mailing list
>>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, http://www.watircraft.com
>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
>> Blog (Essays), http://www.io.com/~wazmo/blog<http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> MiniBlog (Links), http://feeds.feedburner.com/bretshotlist
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
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Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
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