From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr  1 06:04:41 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:04:41 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] HP acquires the Watir project,
	announces Wativ
In-Reply-To: <d116afa9-7720-4364-8f50-f6ee75202691@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>
References: <d116afa9-7720-4364-8f50-f6ee75202691@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <g2hf81b1251004010304u11bd5d7dgaa51be0d69d9afe4@mail.gmail.com>

Alister and I are flying to HP headquarters (Palo Alto, Calif.) as I write
this (from the plane). We have heard that Watir users are gathering in front
of the headquarters. There are some rumors about them having signs and
shouting stuff. I hope we will manage to record a podcast with a few of the
Watir users and hear what they think.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr  1 07:28:43 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:28:43 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir on WebKit
In-Reply-To: <u2zf42387e71003311224pba2db9a3sfe6cfb86c2237f45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2zf42387e71003311224pba2db9a3sfe6cfb86c2237f45@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:24 PM, John Goodsen <jgoodsen at radsoft.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone on this list might have some starter code, or if
the prototyped webkit work is available.

You could also ask at webdriver and/or selenium developers lists, maybe
somebody will be able to help you there.

?eljko
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From alister.scott at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:58:25 2010
From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 06:58:25 +1000
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] HP acquires the Watir project,
	announces Wativ
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAPnIjkWFqAxFmsuCyiv3KwPCgAAAEAAAAOjP6q3oBHZCkIB8D9irzp0BAAAAAA==@jmedia.com.au>
References: <d116afa9-7720-4364-8f50-f6ee75202691@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>
	<g2hf81b1251004010304u11bd5d7dgaa51be0d69d9afe4@mail.gmail.com> 
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That's a bit harsh Don!
You have to keep in mind that TestWise wouldn't exist unless Watir was
created in the first place.

Alister

2010/4/1 Don Taylor <don.taylor at jmedia.com.au>

>  *it would be a pity if all this turned out to be the work of a juvenile
> few who treat Watir as their plaything.....*
> **
> *just glad I've found TestWise developed by someone who is committed to
> providing a tool for test automation.*
> **
> *Don*
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* watir-general at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> watir-general at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *?eljko Filipin
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 April 2010 9:05 PM
> *To:* watir-general at googlegroups.com; watir
> *Subject:* Re: [wtr-general] HP acquires the Watir project, announces
> Wativ
>
> Alister and I are flying to HP headquarters (Palo Alto, Calif.) as I write
> this (from the plane). We have heard that Watir users are gathering in front
> of the headquarters. There are some rumors about them having signs and
> shouting stuff. I hope we will manage to record a podcast with a few of the
> Watir users and hear what they think.
>
> ?eljko
>
> --
> Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search
> before you ask, be nice.
>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Apr  1 19:26:01 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:26:01 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <b7bf92f01003300143m521724e8y2eb1f2a2549c48c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
	<b7bf92f01003300143m521724e8y2eb1f2a2549c48c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <o2xade75c5b1004011626i5b674271vb263226afedae5fb@mail.gmail.com>

So let me clarify something. "Developer rights on Jira" mean that you can
close defects on Jira/OpenQA. That is all. Originally it also meant that you
had subversion commit rights. Well, in fact, it still does, but since we
have move the source code to github, they don't mean much.

You have some contributions that we need review. Thanks for that. We grant
commit rights to people who regularly contribute code that we like. We are
behind on reviewing contributions and appreciation your patience.

I wanted to give you full rights to Jira because you were responding almost
exactly as I would have. You showed an understanding of our code base and
our values.

Thanks for your support.

Bret



On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank You, Bret :)
>
> Is there some instructions/guidelines how to contribute to Watir
> codebase itself? What are the Watir's plans for the future? Is only
> webdriver going to be used and current approach is not used anymore?
> Anything else i should know?
>
> Jarmo
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
> > I nominate Jarmo Pertman to have developer rights on Jira. This will
> allow
> > him to mark bugs as fixed, won't fix, etc.
> >
> > Bret
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com
> >
> > Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wtr-development mailing list
> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



-- 
Bret Pettichord
Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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From bret at pettichord.com  Thu Apr  1 19:33:08 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:33:08 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <b7bf92f01003300143m521724e8y2eb1f2a2549c48c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
	<b7bf92f01003300143m521724e8y2eb1f2a2549c48c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <n2hade75c5b1004011633i3decfe0bg9023aeea93bfd2ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there some instructions/guidelines how to contribute to Watir
> codebase itself? What are the Watir's plans for the future? Is only
> webdriver going to be used and current approach is not used anymore?
> Anything else i should know?
>

Now i see i didn't actually answer your question. Well, i will now.

We expect to continue to support the current code base for some time. I
would like to package the watir gem so that you can choose which driver you
want to use. We will have a default configuration, but users can use a
different one if they want to use a different driver.

Bret

-- 
Bret Pettichord
Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr  2 06:27:28 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:27:28 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <y2rf81b1251004020327j47b5a4dbzc56b28de26f56ba@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> I nominate Jarmo Pertman to have developer rights on Jira.

Since nobody complained, I made the change. I am not sure what needs to be
done, so I have compared Bret's (bret) and Jarmo's (juuser) Jira account.

I have added Jarmo to watir group (because Bret was in that group), and made
Jarmo developer in Watir project (Bret is administrator of Watir project).

If anybody is familiar with Jira, please let me know if I did it right.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr  2 06:29:00 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:29:00 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Donate to Watir
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003010351y1778ef30ma96a7c9c31d5c1cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003010351y1778ef30ma96a7c9c31d5c1cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <x2pf81b1251004020329iad00eecr2df849a29df94914@mail.gmail.com>

If you like the Watir project, you can make a donation. There is donate
button at http://watir.com/.

We have raised $550 this year. We will spend it on hosting and stuff like
that. We will not spend it on beer, no matter how much I would like that. :)

You can see list of donors and Bret's thank you note at
http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2982

?eljko
--
watir.com - community manager
pledgie.com/campaigns/2982 - donate to Watir
watirpodcast.com - host
testingpodcast.com - audio podcasts on software testing. all of them
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Apr  2 07:42:08 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 06:42:08 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <y2rf81b1251004020327j47b5a4dbzc56b28de26f56ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2rf81b1251004020327j47b5a4dbzc56b28de26f56ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <t2wade75c5b1004020442k3b89216bvbe2d56a345def638@mail.gmail.com>

Previously, Patrick handled these requests.

On Apr 2, 2010 5:28 AM, "?eljko Filipin" <zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch>
wrote:

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> I nominate Jarmo Pertman to have developer rights on Jira.
Since nobody complained, I made the change. I am not sure what needs to be
done, so I have compared Bret's (bret) and Jarmo's (juuser) Jira account.

I have added Jarmo to watir group (because Bret was in that group), and made
Jarmo developer in Watir project (Bret is administrator of Watir project).

If anybody is familiar with Jira, please let me know if I did it right.

?eljko

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr  2 08:41:54 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:41:54 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <t2wade75c5b1004020442k3b89216bvbe2d56a345def638@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com> 
	<y2rf81b1251004020327j47b5a4dbzc56b28de26f56ba@mail.gmail.com> 
	<t2wade75c5b1004020442k3b89216bvbe2d56a345def638@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <q2uf81b1251004020541zbda3c546m437eb069168c61ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> Previously, Patrick handled these requests.

I will ask him then.

Jarmo, do you see "Resolve Issue" and "Close Issue" links when you go to a
Watir Jira ticket?

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 09:02:56 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:02:56 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <q2uf81b1251004020541zbda3c546m437eb069168c61ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com> 
	<y2rf81b1251004020327j47b5a4dbzc56b28de26f56ba@mail.gmail.com> 
	<t2wade75c5b1004020442k3b89216bvbe2d56a345def638@mail.gmail.com> 
	<q2uf81b1251004020541zbda3c546m437eb069168c61ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <g2kb7bf92f01004020602x1a60bd52z6756b338675bdcf1@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, i can see both of these links. Thank you.

Jarmo

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
>> Previously, Patrick handled these requests.
>
> I will ask him then.
>
> Jarmo, do you see "Resolve Issue" and "Close Issue" links when you go to a
> Watir Jira ticket?
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr  2 10:26:43 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:26:43 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <g2kb7bf92f01004020602x1a60bd52z6756b338675bdcf1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com> 
	<y2rf81b1251004020327j47b5a4dbzc56b28de26f56ba@mail.gmail.com> 
	<t2wade75c5b1004020442k3b89216bvbe2d56a345def638@mail.gmail.com> 
	<q2uf81b1251004020541zbda3c546m437eb069168c61ee@mail.gmail.com> 
	<g2kb7bf92f01004020602x1a60bd52z6756b338675bdcf1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2of81b1251004020726w67b47cddn4d9999c99621d00c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, i can see both of these links.

Patrick also said everything is fine too, so I guess that is it. :)

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 19:40:39 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 02:40:39 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] [ANN] WatiRspec 0.1.0
Message-ID: <p2ob7bf92f01004021640yd97f57coab011446c1f87871@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.

I just wanted to let you know that I've released my first gem called
WatiRspec. It does combine Watir and RSpec for you so you could start
testing easily and write less code. I created it because i noticed
that i'm reinventing these things all the time if new client/project
is started. Now it's much easier. Just enter few commands and i'm
ready to start. I'm going to use it in my everyday work. It is going
to be part of my diploma thesis also.

It is very fresh library, so it's possible that something doesn't work
as it should - although i have written tests for my code :)

What do you think? Do you see any shortages? Might it be useful for you at all?

You can read more about it at http://github.com/jarmo/WatiRspec

You can read about some of the principles (haven't had the time to
update it yet with newest ideas) from my blog too:
http://www.itreallymatters.net

Jarmo Pertman

From notethan at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 12:43:27 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:43:27 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir outerHTML
Message-ID: <s2kf58506c41004080943ib7d7fb4aj13c2001aea21f672@mail.gmail.com>

I'm confused by this commit:
http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/7bb95ab84093dfc2edc86234643ff86368538b11
It changes Element#html to use (javascript) outerHTML rather than innerHTML.
However, no outerHTML javascript function exists for Firefox, which is why
innerHTML was used in the first place. Trying to use Element#html in
firewatir, it just returns a blank string.
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Apr  9 12:01:51 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir outerHTML
In-Reply-To: <s2kf58506c41004080943ib7d7fb4aj13c2001aea21f672@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s2kf58506c41004080943ib7d7fb4aj13c2001aea21f672@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <x2hade75c5b1004090901na1e855c7j81bdf9fec02006ff@mail.gmail.com>

I have the same question. Angrez?

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm confused by this commit:
> http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/7bb95ab84093dfc2edc86234643ff86368538b11
> It changes Element#html to use (javascript) outerHTML rather than
> innerHTML. However, no outerHTML javascript function exists for Firefox,
> which is why innerHTML was used in the first place. Trying to use
> Element#html in firewatir, it just returns a blank string.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



-- 
Bret Pettichord
Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Apr  9 15:41:07 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:41:07 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] mailing lists
Message-ID: <x2wade75c5b1004091241o9f710554zd14976b08d2b315b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wondering why Watir General isn't mentioned on this page:
http://watir.com/community/

-- 
Bret Pettichord
Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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From alister.scott at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 18:30:37 2010
From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:30:37 +1000
Subject: [Wtr-development] mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <x2wade75c5b1004091241o9f710554zd14976b08d2b315b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2wade75c5b1004091241o9f710554zd14976b08d2b315b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <z2j16bf298e1004091530qd3037c31tb8b1f3b6c3228004@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Watir General was only mentioned on the support page:
http://watir.com/support/

I have updated the site so that it is also mentioned on the community page:
http://watir.com/community/

This mailing list (Watir development) will continue to only be mentioned on
the community page.

Due to some objections [?], I have removed the word 'whilst' from the site:
http://watir.com/documentation/

Cheers,

Alister Scott
Brisbane, Australia
Watir Web Master: http://watir.com
Blog: http://watirmelon.com
Google: http://www.google.com/profiles/alister.scott
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott


On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>wrote:

> I'm wondering why Watir General isn't mentioned on this page:
> http://watir.com/community/
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com
>
> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Apr  9 19:20:56 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:20:56 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] mailing lists
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I hope you didn't take my comment as an objection to "whilst". However it
does appear that I guessed correctly the source of the word.

On Apr 9, 2010 5:36 PM, "Alister Scott" <alister.scott at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

Watir General was only mentioned on the support page:
http://watir.com/support/

I have updated the site so that it is also mentioned on the community page:
http://watir.com/community/

This mailing list (Watir development) will continue to only be mentioned on
the community page.

Due to some objections [?], I have removed the word 'whilst' from the site:
http://watir.com/documentation/

Cheers,

Alister Scott
Brisbane, Australia
Watir Web Master: http://watir.com
Blog: http://watirmelon.com
Google: http://www.google.com/profiles/alister.scott
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott


On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:

> >
> > I'm wondering why Watir General isn't mentioned on this page:
> http://watir.com/community/
> >
> > --...
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> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:26:45 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] mailing lists
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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> I'm wondering why Watir General isn't mentioned on this page:
http://watir.com/community/

Maybe I have moved it to support page while I was creating it. It makes
sense to have it on the community page too.

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From angrez at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 05:36:18 2010
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:06:18 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir outerHTML
In-Reply-To: <x2hade75c5b1004090901na1e855c7j81bdf9fec02006ff@mail.gmail.com>
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My mistake, just read that Firefox doesn't support outerHTML. Though I ran
all the test cases before committing the change. I think we can roll it back
and set it to innerHTML.

Thanks,
Angrez

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:

> I have the same question. Angrez?
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm confused by this commit:
>> http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/7bb95ab84093dfc2edc86234643ff86368538b11
>> It changes Element#html to use (javascript) outerHTML rather than
>> innerHTML. However, no outerHTML javascript function exists for Firefox,
>> which is why innerHTML was used in the first place. Trying to use
>> Element#html in firewatir, it just returns a blank string.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Apr 12 07:50:12 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:50:12 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
Message-ID: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>

Should we put links to WatiN [1], Watij [2], Win32-Watir [3]  and
watir-webdriver [4]  on watir.com/platforms? For the first three we should
make it clear that they are not part of the project, just forks (in wrong
languages, as Bret would say it), and for the last one we should make it
clear that it is prerelease sofware.

I would also remove ChromeWatir [5]  from platforms page. The last time I
have tried it was broken. I had a chat with Sai recently (lead of
ChromeWatir) and he said he would continue working on Chrome driver. I have
tried to convince him to better work on Webdriver's Chrome driver, than to
duplicate effort. Sai, what do you think?

I talked at a few conferences about Watir [6] and I have noticed that people
really like the idea, but sometimes they would prefer implementation in a
familiar language.

What do you think?

[1] http://watin.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://watij.com/
[3] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Win32-Watir/
[4] http://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver
[5] http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/ChromeWatir
[6] http://zeljkofilipin.com/category/self-education/events/

?eljko
--
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 08:02:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Zeljko (JIRA))
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:02:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Closed: (WTR-429) testing mail
	notifications
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     [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-429?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Zeljko closed WTR-429.
----------------------

    Resolution: Fixed

I hope this is the last notification test. :)

> testing mail notifications
> --------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-429
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-429
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Contrib
>    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
>         Environment: test
>            Reporter: Zeljko
>            Assignee: Zeljko
>            Priority: Trivial
>             Fix For: 1.6.3
>
>
> some more testing

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From basim at baassiri.ca  Mon Apr 12 09:31:13 2010
From: basim at baassiri.ca (Basim Baassiri)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Would it be possible to outline the pros and cons of each implementation so
that it removes any confusion

my 2 cents

Basim

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> Should we put links to WatiN [1], Watij [2], Win32-Watir [3]  and
> watir-webdriver [4]  on watir.com/platforms? For the first three we should
> make it clear that they are not part of the project, just forks (in wrong
> languages, as Bret would say it), and for the last one we should make it
> clear that it is prerelease sofware.
>
> I would also remove ChromeWatir [5]  from platforms page. The last time I
> have tried it was broken. I had a chat with Sai recently (lead of
> ChromeWatir) and he said he would continue working on Chrome driver. I have
> tried to convince him to better work on Webdriver's Chrome driver, than to
> duplicate effort. Sai, what do you think?
>
> I talked at a few conferences about Watir [6] and I have noticed that
> people really like the idea, but sometimes they would prefer implementation
> in a familiar language.
>
> What do you think?
>
> [1] http://watin.sourceforge.net/
> [2] http://watij.com/
> [3] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Win32-Watir/
> [4] http://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver
> [5] http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/ChromeWatir
> [6] http://zeljkofilipin.com/category/self-education/events/
>
> ?eljko
> --
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> pledgie.com/campaigns/2982 - donate to Watir
> watirpodcast.com - host
> testingpodcast.com - audio podcasts on software testing. all of them
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Apr 12 09:45:46 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:45:46 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Basim Baassiri <basim at baassiri.ca> wrote:
> Would it be possible to outline the pros and cons of each implementation

Sure. Would you do it? :)

I have worked only with Watir.

The only advantage of another implementation would be familiar language.

?eljko
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From basim at baassiri.ca  Mon Apr 12 10:11:53 2010
From: basim at baassiri.ca (Basim Baassiri)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <q2gf81b1251004120645k471f176fh40b123008160186f@mail.gmail.com>
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Sure I can. I think mentioning facts in tabular form about each project
might be useful. This way the reader is left to make their own conclusion

Age of Project
License
Documentation? (tutorials, User docs)
Last Release
OS
Language
etc

Now that I think about, I guess my suggestion for pros and cons can be a
subjective thing and matter of opinion and might send the wrong message to
the reader.

I don't know the target audience (in order of importance/priority) for
watir.com so the order of the list above should be tweaked to target to QA
audience? dev audience?

Speaking from a QA perspective, I would like to know the age of a project,
its maturity and the support that exists (i.e. documentation, tutorials,
etc)

Perhaps, all of this is out of scope for the watir.com and should be
mentioned on a blog.  I'm not 100% sure as this is my first post to this
list :)

Basim


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:45 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Basim Baassiri <basim at baassiri.ca> wrote:
> > Would it be possible to outline the pros and cons of each implementation
>
> Sure. Would you do it? :)
>
> I have worked only with Watir.
>
> The only advantage of another implementation would be familiar language.
>
> ?eljko
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Apr 12 10:16:28 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:16:28 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com> 
	<g2tb98d7d061004120631i29ac356cy63de7f7d2fcc3f04@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Basim Baassiri <basim at baassiri.ca> wrote:
> Perhaps, all of this is out of scope for the watir.com and should be
mentioned on a blog.

I would suggest that you write a blog post about it, and then we can comment
on it. We can also link from platforms page to your blog.

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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Apr 12 11:01:15 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:01:15 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <m2qf81b1251004120716xe6efd6d5ub7ede5e38aefdac3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>
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We have a section called other tools on the wiki. I think this is a better
place for this information.

It would be difficult for the Watir project to recommend alternate tools.
E.g. I would probably recommend Selenium as an alternate. Different people
would recommend different things. It is better to have the watir.com focus
on what Watir is instead of what it isn't.

Bret

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:16 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Basim Baassiri <basim at baassiri.ca> wrote:
> > Perhaps, all of this is out of scope for the watir.com and should be
> mentioned on a blog.
>
> I would suggest that you write a blog post about it, and then we can
> comment on it. We can also link from platforms page to your blog.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Apr 12 11:03:25 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir outerHTML
In-Reply-To: <o2se26bda3e1004120236i754299e0oc5bb363bb82f6439@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s2kf58506c41004080943ib7d7fb4aj13c2001aea21f672@mail.gmail.com>
	<x2hade75c5b1004090901na1e855c7j81bdf9fec02006ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<o2se26bda3e1004120236i754299e0oc5bb363bb82f6439@mail.gmail.com>
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Angrez,

Do you want to make this change or would you like some one else to?

We must not have a test for Browser#html. We should add that.

Bret

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:

> My mistake, just read that Firefox doesn't support outerHTML. Though I ran
> all the test cases before committing the change. I think we can roll it back
> and set it to innerHTML.
>
> Thanks,
> Angrez
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>wrote:
>
>> I have the same question. Angrez?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused by this commit:
>>> http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/7bb95ab84093dfc2edc86234643ff86368538b11
>>> It changes Element#html to use (javascript) outerHTML rather than
>>> innerHTML. However, no outerHTML javascript function exists for Firefox,
>>> which is why innerHTML was used in the first place. Trying to use
>>> Element#html in firewatir, it just returns a blank string.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bret Pettichord
>> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com
>>
>> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog>
>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Apr 12 10:58:50 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2uade75c5b1004120758ia8fd5beey669625e039362b4c@mail.gmail.com>

I would not describe these as forks. They are "inspired" by Watir, to
greater and lesser degrees and I don't think the Watir project should be
endorsing any of them. E.g. at one point it seemed that despite the names,
there was a more Watir-like Java driver that Watij -- I forget the name.

However, i would include watir-webdriver, because it does implement the
Watir-API, and its work is being coordinated with the other parts of the
Watir project.

It sounds like it makes sense to drop mention of chromewatir and instead
list chrome as one of the platforms supported by watir-webdriver.

Bret





On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:50 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> Should we put links to WatiN [1], Watij [2], Win32-Watir [3]  and
> watir-webdriver [4]  on watir.com/platforms? For the first three we should
> make it clear that they are not part of the project, just forks (in wrong
> languages, as Bret would say it), and for the last one we should make it
> clear that it is prerelease sofware.
>
> I would also remove ChromeWatir [5]  from platforms page. The last time I
> have tried it was broken. I had a chat with Sai recently (lead of
> ChromeWatir) and he said he would continue working on Chrome driver. I have
> tried to convince him to better work on Webdriver's Chrome driver, than to
> duplicate effort. Sai, what do you think?
>
> I talked at a few conferences about Watir [6] and I have noticed that
> people really like the idea, but sometimes they would prefer implementation
> in a familiar language.
>
> What do you think?
>
> [1] http://watin.sourceforge.net/
> [2] http://watij.com/
> [3] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Win32-Watir/
> [4] http://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver
> [5] http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/ChromeWatir
> [6] http://zeljkofilipin.com/category/self-education/events/
>
> ?eljko
> --
> watir.com - community manager
> pledgie.com/campaigns/2982 - donate to Watir
> watirpodcast.com - host
> testingpodcast.com - audio podcasts on software testing. all of them
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



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Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Apr 12 15:38:24 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:38:24 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Here is the page I was thinking of.
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Alternative+Tools+For+Web+Testing

This includes a mention of BrowserUnit which is the tool i was thinking of.
It is acually in .Net, but -- like WatiN -- it has an API that was
influenced by Watir.

Bret

2010/4/12 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>

> I would not describe these as forks. They are "inspired" by Watir, to
> greater and lesser degrees and I don't think the Watir project should be
> endorsing any of them. E.g. at one point it seemed that despite the names,
> there was a more Watir-like Java driver that Watij -- I forget the name.
>
> However, i would include watir-webdriver, because it does implement the
> Watir-API, and its work is being coordinated with the other parts of the
> Watir project.
>
> It sounds like it makes sense to drop mention of chromewatir and instead
> list chrome as one of the platforms supported by watir-webdriver.
>
> Bret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:50 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
> zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
>
>> Should we put links to WatiN [1], Watij [2], Win32-Watir [3]  and
>> watir-webdriver [4]  on watir.com/platforms? For the first three we
>> should make it clear that they are not part of the project, just forks (in
>> wrong languages, as Bret would say it), and for the last one we should make
>> it clear that it is prerelease sofware.
>>
>> I would also remove ChromeWatir [5]  from platforms page. The last time I
>> have tried it was broken. I had a chat with Sai recently (lead of
>> ChromeWatir) and he said he would continue working on Chrome driver. I have
>> tried to convince him to better work on Webdriver's Chrome driver, than to
>> duplicate effort. Sai, what do you think?
>>
>> I talked at a few conferences about Watir [6] and I have noticed that
>> people really like the idea, but sometimes they would prefer implementation
>> in a familiar language.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> [1] http://watin.sourceforge.net/
>> [2] http://watij.com/
>> [3] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Win32-Watir/
>> [4] http://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver
>> [5] http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/ChromeWatir
>> [6] http://zeljkofilipin.com/category/self-education/events/
>>
>> ?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Apr 12 15:50:32 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:50:32 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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2010/4/12 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> This includes a mention of BrowserUnit

It looks dead to me.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/browserunit/

"jonathankohl committed revision 39 to the browserUnit SVN repository,
changing 1 files posted by jonathankohl 1276 days ago"

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From alister.scott at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 21:30:56 2010
From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:30:56 +1000
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Hi,

I agree with Bret, in that Watij, WatiN etc. are not *forks*, I would call
them either a language port or inspired by Watir.
I also agree these don't belong on watir.com.

On a side note, as mentioned recently on my blog (
http://watirmelon.com/2010/04/10/watir-selenium-webdriver/), I personally
believe these tools (like Watij, WatiN) will see their usage fall as more
developers simply use the WebDriver functionality in what ever language they
like (in this case Java or .NET).

I also agree that we should remove information about ChromeWatir from
watir.com (http://watir.com/platforms/), but I don't think Watir-WebDriver
is at a point where we can recommend it instead. I personally have quite a
few issues I need to raise against Watir-WebDriver.

Is the plan for fully supporting Watir-WebDriver clear at this stage? Is
there an official release planned?

Cheers,

Alister Scott
Brisbane, Australia
Watir Web Master: http://watir.com
Blog: http://watirmelon.com
Google: http://www.google.com/profiles/alister.scott
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:50 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> 2010/4/12 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> > This includes a mention of BrowserUnit
>
> It looks dead to me.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/browserunit/
>
> "jonathankohl committed revision 39 to the browserUnit SVN repository,
> changing 1 files posted by jonathankohl 1276 days ago"
>
> ?eljko
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From jari.bakken at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 04:57:50 2010
From: jari.bakken at gmail.com (Jari Bakken)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:57:50 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Alister Scott <alister.scott at gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally have quite a
> few issues I need to raise against Watir-WebDriver.
>

Please do!

> Is the plan for fully supporting Watir-WebDriver clear at this stage? Is
> there an official release planned?
>

My plan is to do an official release as soon as it's passing the
"watir2" branch of watirspec. At the moment we have ~92% passing with
the Firefox driver. I'd like to have 100% on both Firefox and IE
before doing any official release. Hopefully I'll have some time to
work more on this soon.

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Apr 13 08:17:46 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:17:46 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Podcast #33: Jake Dempsey and Brian Knorr
	on Watij and UISpec
Message-ID: <r2xf81b1251004130517j5dcf33f9u673f32385497a59b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Watir Podcast #33 is out:

http://watirpodcast.com/33-jake-dempsey-and-brian-knorr-on-watij-and-uispec/

?eljko
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From angrez at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 08:59:45 2010
From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:45 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Firewatir outerHTML
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I'll make the change and also add a unit test for testing Browser#html.

- Angrez

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>wrote:

> Angrez,
>
> Do you want to make this change or would you like some one else to?
>
> We must not have a test for Browser#html. We should add that.
>
> Bret
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Angrez Singh <angrez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My mistake, just read that Firefox doesn't support outerHTML. Though I ran
>> all the test cases before committing the change. I think we can roll it back
>> and set it to innerHTML.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Angrez
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I have the same question. Angrez?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm confused by this commit:
>>>> http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/7bb95ab84093dfc2edc86234643ff86368538b11
>>>> It changes Element#html to use (javascript) outerHTML rather than
>>>> innerHTML. However, no outerHTML javascript function exists for Firefox,
>>>> which is why innerHTML was used in the first place. Trying to use
>>>> Element#html in firewatir, it just returns a blank string.
>>>>
>>>>
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 13:49:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (shanth (JIRA))
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:49:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include? method
 returning true for hidden text also
Message-ID: <32383274.900.1271267377629.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>

IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
-----------------------------------------------------------

                 Key: WTR-433
                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
             Project: Watir
          Issue Type: Bug
          Components: HTML Controls
    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
         Environment: windows xp
            Reporter: shanth
            Priority: Major


IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also

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From notethan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 14:27:24 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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This seems like correct behavior to me.
I think it might be appropriate to add a different method to return only
what text is visible, say #visible_text.
But, text is text, visible or not; the #text method should return it.


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 13:49, shanth (JIRA) <watirjira at gmail.com> wrote:

> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-433
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: HTML Controls
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
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>
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From basim at baassiri.ca  Wed Apr 14 14:47:19 2010
From: basim at baassiri.ca (Basim Baassiri)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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I couldn't help notice that this bug's step to reproduce was none existent

Any objections if I add some documentation on this page on how to file a bug
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Create+Jira+Ticket

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, shanth (JIRA) <watirjira at gmail.com> wrote:

> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-433
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: HTML Controls
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
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From charley.baker at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 15:08:09 2010
From: charley.baker at gmail.com (Charley Baker)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:08:09 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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Go for it. I'd agree with Ethan's assessment as well. Ethan, you want to
close this issue?

-c

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Basim Baassiri <basim at baassiri.ca> wrote:

> I couldn't help notice that this bug's step to reproduce was none existent
>
> Any objections if I add some documentation on this page on how to file a
> bug
> http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Create+Jira+Ticket
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, shanth (JIRA) <watirjira at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>                 Key: WTR-433
>>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>>             Project: Watir
>>          Issue Type: Bug
>>          Components: HTML Controls
>>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>>         Environment: windows xp
>>            Reporter: shanth
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>>
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From notethan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 15:45:54 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:45:54 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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I don't have the rights to do so.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 15:08, Charley Baker <charley.baker at gmail.com>wrote:

> Go for it. I'd agree with Ethan's assessment as well. Ethan, you want to
> close this issue?
>
> -c
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Basim Baassiri <basim at baassiri.ca>wrote:
>
>> I couldn't help notice that this bug's step to reproduce was none existent
>>
>> Any objections if I add some documentation on this page on how to file a
>> bug
>> http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Create+Jira+Ticket
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, shanth (JIRA) <watirjira at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>                 Key: WTR-433
>>>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>>>             Project: Watir
>>>          Issue Type: Bug
>>>          Components: HTML Controls
>>>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>>>         Environment: windows xp
>>>            Reporter: shanth
>>>            Priority: Major
>>>
>>>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr 15 05:36:06 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:36:06 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Alister Scott <alister.scott at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I agree with Bret, in that Watij, WatiN etc. are not forks, I would call
them either a language port or inspired by Watir.

I have used the wrong word. I did think about "port", not "fork", but I
guess I wrote the wrong one.

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr 15 05:34:18 2010
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Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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2010/4/12 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> Here is the page I was thinking of.
> http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Alternative+Tools+For+Web+Testing

I will update the page then, and probably put a link to it at
watir.com/platforms.

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr 15 05:32:20 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:32:20 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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2010/4/12 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> However, i would include watir-webdriver, because it does implement the
Watir-API, and its work is being coordinated with the other parts of the
Watir project.
> It sounds like it makes sense to drop mention of chromewatir and instead
list chrome as one of the platforms supported by watir-webdriver.

Do we all agree to remove cromewatir and add watir-webdriver to platforms
page? Alister? I have tried watir-webdriver Chrome driver and it worked
better than chromewatir (I could not get it to work at all).

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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 17 20:48:44 2010
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:48:44 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Fwd: [agile-testing] 3 days left to propose a
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 18 11:16:27 2010
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 17:48:47 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:48:47 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] WinClicker vs. AutoIT
Message-ID: <m2xb7bf92f01004181448rce55a065q51674df67ef02f6b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.

I was wondering, what's the biggest difference between using AutoIt
and WinClicker class? As far as i've looked into the WinClicker class
and tried to handle file save as dialog and javascript popup windows
then everything seemed to work great. This made me wondering, why is
AutoIt even in use at all? Is there any limitations in WinClicker
class? Does this class have some bugs or doesn't it work reliably
enough?

As far as i see then it just needs some additional methods and it
would be great. Maybe Watir could even drop dependency to AutoIt? It
would just need some refactoring.

Also please share any experience using WinClicker class.

Any ideas, concerns, thoughts about this topic are welcome.

Jarmo

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Apr 19 06:41:10 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:41:10 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have the rights to do so.

In that case suggest  that we vote should Ethan have developer rights on
Jira. Please send your votes in the next day or two.

Ethan, you can vote too. :)

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From billagee at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 13:07:19 2010
From: billagee at gmail.com (Bill Agee)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] WinClicker vs. AutoIT
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Hi Jarmo,

I can't speak for anyone else - but here are my thoughts on using AutoIt
versus a pure Ruby approach (such as the code in the WinClicker class):

Since AutoIt provides a lot of ready-to-use Windows GUI automation
functions, it's tempting to use it rather than re-implementing the same
functionality in pure Ruby.

On the other hand, as you have seen in winClicker.rb, Win32API and Ruby/DL
make it possible to script some really useful scenarios in pure Ruby.

So I think it's a tradeoff between reinventing the wheel a little (by
writing one's own Windows GUI automation code in Ruby) or using an
off-the-shelf library (such as AutoIt) where someone has already solved the
problems.

Also, some Windows GUI automation scenarios are a little challenging in pure
Ruby.

Here's an example:
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Right+Click+an+Element

In that code the goal was to click a specific item in the popup menu that
appears when you right-click an image in IE.

But in the main() method in that example, you'll see that the code falls
back to using AutoIt.  Specifically, Watir's send_keys() method is used to
select an item in the popup menu, since I could not figure out how to get a
handle to the popup menu (or specific items in it) using Win32API or
Ruby/DL.

Automating scenarios like this could be easier if we had a Ruby interface to
the MS UI Automation framework:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_UI_Automation

But I haven't figured out how to pull that off using a pure Ruby approach.
Maybe it's possible to write a helper .dll to allow use of the UI Automation
framework from Ruby?  Just a thought.

Thanks
Bill


On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I was wondering, what's the biggest difference between using AutoIt
> and WinClicker class? As far as i've looked into the WinClicker class
> and tried to handle file save as dialog and javascript popup windows
> then everything seemed to work great. This made me wondering, why is
> AutoIt even in use at all? Is there any limitations in WinClicker
> class? Does this class have some bugs or doesn't it work reliably
> enough?
>
> As far as i see then it just needs some additional methods and it
> would be great. Maybe Watir could even drop dependency to AutoIt? It
> would just need some refactoring.
>
> Also please share any experience using WinClicker class.
>
> Any ideas, concerns, thoughts about this topic are welcome.
>
> Jarmo
> _______________________________________________
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From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Apr 20 11:53:26 2010
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:53:26 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
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+1

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:41 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't have the rights to do so.
>
> In that case suggest  that we vote should Ethan have developer rights on
> Jira. Please send your votes in the next day or two.
>
> Ethan, you can vote too. :)
>
> ?eljko
>
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From charley.baker at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 12:43:18 2010
From: charley.baker at gmail.com (Charley Baker)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:43:18 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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References: <32383274.900.1271267377629.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>
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+1


On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>wrote:

> +1
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:41 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
> zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't have the rights to do so.
>>
>> In that case suggest  that we vote should Ethan have developer rights on
>> Jira. Please send your votes in the next day or two.
>>
>> Ethan, you can vote too. :)
>>
>> ?eljko
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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From notethan at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 12:52:24 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:52:24 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
In-Reply-To: <p2vf81b1251004190341z6f908bf0t1782ef6a4e8aece0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32383274.900.1271267377629.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>
	<n2sb98d7d061004141147y94615771odbec4d7e27529e55@mail.gmail.com> 
	<x2of96821861004141208w8dcd431dw94f50f1c52e54a99@mail.gmail.com> 
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Sure. I don't think I've done much of anything on the bug tracker, but, I
will attempt to live up to the privilege - nay, the honor - of having these
rights on it.

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 06:41, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch
> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't have the rights to do so.
>
> In that case suggest  that we vote should Ethan have developer rights on
> Jira. Please send your votes in the next day or two.
>
> Ethan, you can vote too. :)
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From jgoodsen at radsoft.com  Tue Apr 20 14:29:18 2010
From: jgoodsen at radsoft.com (John Goodsen)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] safariwatir bug when setting field inside an
	iFrame: TypeError: can't convert NilClass into time interval
Message-ID: <q2xf42387e71004201129v80e17890sb6d01a800aaa0c5f@mail.gmail.com>

I've found a bug in safariwatir that doesn't appear in the IE version of
Watir.  Here's the story;

I have a very simple page with an iframe and a text field in it the iframe
and I'm trying to set the value.  The HTML validates so there is no HTML
issues.
Here's the error I get using safariwatir.  It works fine in IE:

@browser.frame("FindSchoolsInlineFrame").text_field(:name,
"schoolName").set("Mullan")
TypeError: can't convert NilClass into time interval
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir/scripter.rb:267:in
`sleep'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir/scripter.rb:267:in
`append_text_input'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir.rb:435:in
`set'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir.rb:434:in
`times'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir.rb:434:in
`set'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir/scripter.rb:193:in
`instance_eval'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir/scripter.rb:193:in
`highlight'
    from
/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/gems/safariwatir-0.3.7/lib/safariwatir.rb:432:in
`set'
    from (irb):111



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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Apr 20 16:37:28 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:37:28 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] safariwatir bug when setting field inside an
	iFrame: TypeError: can't convert NilClass into time interval
In-Reply-To: <q2xf42387e71004201129v80e17890sb6d01a800aaa0c5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <q2xf42387e71004201129v80e17890sb6d01a800aaa0c5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <i2yf81b1251004201337vb248f579sda3d344a5dd6c504@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Goodsen <jgoodsen at radsoft.com> wrote:
> I've found a bug in safariwatir that doesn't appear in the IE version of
Watir.

Please create a ticket:

http://jira.openqa.org/browse/sw

?eljko
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From simon.m.stewart at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 06:40:55 2010
From: simon.m.stewart at gmail.com (Simon Stewart)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:40:55 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <x2meae5f6f91004130157xacf4cab8g54a129e246a56478@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2uade75c5b1004120758ia8fd5beey669625e039362b4c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jari Bakken <jari.bakken at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Alister Scott <alister.scott at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I personally have quite a
>> few issues I need to raise against Watir-WebDriver.
>>
>
> Please do!

+1. I've added a "BuildingBlock" label to the selenium google code
issue tracker. If you use that, I can track the things that are
important to watir properly.

>> Is the plan for fully supporting Watir-WebDriver clear at this stage? Is
>> there an official release planned?
>>
>
> My plan is to do an official release as soon as it's passing the
> "watir2" branch of watirspec. At the moment we have ~92% passing with
> the Firefox driver. I'd like to have 100% on both Firefox and IE
> before doing any official release. Hopefully I'll have some time to
> work more on this soon.
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Apr 21 07:17:08 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:17:08 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will attempt to live up to the privilege - nay, the honor - of having
these rights on it.

We have received three votes, all for Ethan to get developer rights.

Ethan, now you have developer rights in all Watir projects in Jira (Watir,
SafariWatir and ChromeWatir). You can start with closing ticket 433. :)

http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Apr 21 07:57:07 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:57:07 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <m2v77aa50681004210340hf58655a8h55633a01a122dcf0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com> 
	<m2uade75c5b1004120758ia8fd5beey669625e039362b4c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<t2iade75c5b1004121238n86a46e6dh42c4fdbbf3f5049@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Simon Stewart <simon.m.stewart at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I've added a "BuildingBlock" label to the selenium google code
> issue tracker. If you use that, I can track the things that are
> important to watir properly.

This bug prevents entering text in text fields in Internet Explorer:

http://code.google.com/p/selenium/issues/detail?id=330

It is a show stopper for me.

I am looking how to add the label to it, but I can not find how.

?eljko
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From simon.m.stewart at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 08:24:53 2010
From: simon.m.stewart at gmail.com (Simon Stewart)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:24:53 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <v2of81b1251004210457n8cbaef34r92b6baec98d6e696@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2uade75c5b1004120758ia8fd5beey669625e039362b4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<t2iade75c5b1004121238n86a46e6dh42c4fdbbf3f5049@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2wf81b1251004121250y7520ad4sf7d1cfdd975a8a43@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2t16bf298e1004121830w72279814j4a51976213e3a413@mail.gmail.com>
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	<m2v77aa50681004210340hf58655a8h55633a01a122dcf0@mail.gmail.com>
	<v2of81b1251004210457n8cbaef34r92b6baec98d6e696@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <v2j77aa50681004210524z56a70e90y1dca465fbe1ecb7b@mail.gmail.com>

I've added the label now. What's blocking you, precisely? The "style"
piece, or the fact that a string is being returned?

Simon

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:57 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Simon Stewart <simon.m.stewart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I've added a "BuildingBlock" label to the selenium google code
>> issue tracker. If you use that, I can track the things that are
>> important to watir properly.
>
> This bug prevents entering text in text fields in Internet Explorer:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/selenium/issues/detail?id=330
>
> It is a show stopper for me.
>
> I am looking how to add the label to it, but I can not find how.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Apr 21 09:14:17 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:14:17 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <v2j77aa50681004210524z56a70e90y1dca465fbe1ecb7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com> 
	<m2uade75c5b1004120758ia8fd5beey669625e039362b4c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<t2iade75c5b1004121238n86a46e6dh42c4fdbbf3f5049@mail.gmail.com> 
	<m2wf81b1251004121250y7520ad4sf7d1cfdd975a8a43@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Simon Stewart <simon.m.stewart at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I've added the label now.

Thanks.

> What's blocking you, precisely? The "style"
> piece, or the fact that a string is being returned?

That wold be the question for Jari. I have just noticed that entering text
in a text field in IE driver does not work in watir-webdriver, and he said
it is because of ticket 330.

?eljko
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:18:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Ethan (JIRA))
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:18:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
 method returning true for hidden text also
In-Reply-To: <32383274.900.1271267377629.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>
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    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19601#action_19601 ] 

Ethan commented on WTR-433:
---------------------------

This is correct behavior. The #text method returns all of the text contents of an element. Visibility is not considered. 

A useful enhancement to Watir would be a new method, #visible_text, which would return what text is visible. This would require recursing down the DOM and collecting textNodes only under elements which are visible. I'd recommend adding an enhancement ticket for this if it is needed. 

> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-433
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: HTML Controls
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>            Priority: Major
>
> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:20:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Ethan (JIRA))
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:20:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Closed: (WTR-433) IE#text.include? method
 returning true for hidden text also
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     [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Ethan closed WTR-433.
---------------------

    Resolution: Not a problem

Closing as this is correct behavior - see discussion at 
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/wtr-development/2010-April/001717.html

> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-433
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: HTML Controls
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>            Priority: Major
>
> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also

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From notethan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:24:57 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:24:57 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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	<x2of96821861004141208w8dcd431dw94f50f1c52e54a99@mail.gmail.com> 
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How exciting!
Issue is closed.


On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 07:17, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch
> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will attempt to live up to the privilege - nay, the honor - of having
> these rights on it.
>
> We have received three votes, all for Ethan to get developer rights.
>
> Ethan, now you have developer rights in all Watir projects in Jira (Watir,
> SafariWatir and ChromeWatir). You can start with closing ticket 433. :)
>
>
> http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>
> ?eljko
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr 23 05:27:10 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:27:10 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Just to let you know, Sai said I could delete ChromeWatir from here, since
it is broken for months:

http://watir.com/platforms/
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/ChromeWatir
http://jira.openqa.org/browse/cw

He will delete:

http://rubygems.org/gems/chromewatir
http://github.com/saivenkat/chromewatir

My plan is to update Watir documentation saying watir-webdriver gem is our
Chrome driver (but can drive other browsers too).

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 05:34:17 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:34:17 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Are you sure it's good to recommend watir-webdriver which doesn't
actually work yet very well?

Jarmo

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:27 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> Just to let you know, Sai said I could delete ChromeWatir from here, since
> it is broken for months:
>
> http://watir.com/platforms/
> http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/ChromeWatir
> http://jira.openqa.org/browse/cw
>
> He will delete:
>
> http://rubygems.org/gems/chromewatir
> http://github.com/saivenkat/chromewatir
>
> My plan is to update Watir documentation saying watir-webdriver gem is our
> Chrome driver (but can drive other browsers too).
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr 23 05:50:29 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:50:29 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <i2qf81b1251004230227w31888096rcf3948da1ea29000@mail.gmail.com>
References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com> 
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I have two more questions about Watir platforms page (watir.com/platforms).
We have flashwatir and other browsers sections there.

Flashwatir is last updated in 2008. Did anybody here use it recently (or at
all)? I will contact Sai directly (I do not think he is monitoring this
list) to see what is the status of the project. I will also try it to see if
it is usable.

In other browsers section, we have a link to `Common Driver for Selenium and
Watir` page, that is last updated in 2007. I do not think this project is
going anywhere. Is this the idea that created watir-webdriver? Should I
leave that section or delete it? I lean towards deleting it.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr 23 05:52:53 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:52:53 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you sure it's good to recommend watir-webdriver which doesn't
> actually work yet very well?

I have played a bit with it and it worked fine. It worked much better that
chromewatir that is broken for months, and we have been recommending it the
whole time. :)

Do you suggest I just remove Chrome section until watir-webdriver is more
stable?

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 06:03:37 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:03:37 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Maybe just add a note that it's under development phase and everything
might not work yet or something. I've ran few days ago tests for IE
and Firefox (didn't try chrome yet) and they still had a considerable
amount of failures. That's why i wouldn't suggest to add
watir-webdriver as a official suggestion to regular users yet.

Jarmo

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are you sure it's good to recommend watir-webdriver which doesn't
>> actually work yet very well?
>
> I have played a bit with it and it worked fine. It worked much better that
> chromewatir that is broken for months, and we have been recommending it the
> whole time. :)
>
> Do you suggest I just remove Chrome section until watir-webdriver is more
> stable?
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr 23 07:12:04 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:12:04 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe just add a note that it's under development phase and everything
> might not work yet or something.

Good point. I thought "prerelease" would be enough, but it is better to be
explicit. I have added "watir-webdriver is in early development and
everything might not work yet."

?eljko
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 10:14:30 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Joe DiMauro (JIRA))
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:14:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-434) Possible issue with
 Watir method "check_for_http_error" and IE8
Message-ID: <9800095.3.1272118470649.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>

Possible issue with Watir method "check_for_http_error" and IE8
---------------------------------------------------------------

                 Key: WTR-434
                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-434
             Project: Watir
          Issue Type: Bug
          Components: Other
    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
         Environment: IE 8
            Reporter: Joe DiMauro


In Watir 1.6.5 it appears that the method check_for_http_error does
NOT support IE8, as there is NO check for "8.0", only for "7.0", or a
default to IE6. I noticed this because some pages I've hit in my tests
run in IE8 are NOT raising NavigationException's even when one has
occurred.

Here's the current method:

# File lib/watir/page-container.rb, line 10

   def check_for_http_error
     # check for IE7
     n = self.document.invoke('parentWindow').navigator.appVersion
     m=/MSIE\s(.*?);/.match( n )
     if m and m[1] =='7.0'
       if m = /HTTP (\d\d\d.*)/.match( self.title )
         raise NavigationException, m[1]
       end
     else
       # assume its IE6
       url = self.document.location.href
       if /shdoclc.dll/.match(url)
         m = /id=IEText.*?>(.*?)</i.match(self.html)
         raise NavigationException, m[1] if m
       end
     end

I'd recommend swapping the condition and make IE7 and later the default, and IE6 the exception. This presumes that future versions of IE will behave like IE7/IE8, and not like IE6. Thus the new code would be:

def check_for_http_error
  # Determine the IE Version
  n = self.document.invoke('parentWindow').navigator.appVersion
  m=/MSIE\s(.*?);/.match( n )  
  if m and m[1] =='6.0' # Deal with IE6
    url = self.document.location.href
    if /shdoclc.dll/.match(url)
      m = /id=IEText.*?(.*?)</i.match(self.html)
      raise NavigationException, m[1] if m
    end
    
  else # Presume its IE7 or later
    if m = /HTTP (\d\d\d.*)/.match( self.title )
      raise NavigationException, m[1]
    end
    
  end
  
  false
end
      false
    end 

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From fightmyway at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 11:05:53 2010
From: fightmyway at gmail.com (Jian Xu)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:53 +0800
Subject: [Wtr-development] Question about attach embedded browser
Message-ID: <n2z9df199e41004240805q820f0164q3b3526a59ce866e6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all:

I just want to let watir attach embedded browser, and control it. I
find this topic:
http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/browse_thread/thread/479...
and read all that reference. It seems someone has solved this problem.
But I can't let it work yet. I can't understand all those details.

My problem is as following:
  In an Eclipse RCP program, I use SWT OLE to create a browser.
  ------Java Code
                OleFrame frame = new OleFrame(parent, SWT.NONE);
                OleClientSite client = new
OleClientSite(frame,SWT.NONE,"Shell.Explorer.2");
                client.doVerb(OLE.OLEIVERB_SHOW);
                OleAutomation oa = new OleAutomation(client);
                Variant str = new Variant(?www.google.com");
                oa.invoke(104, new Variant[]{str});

  Then I want to use watir to control it.

My question is:
  1.That browser instant is a embedded browser here?
  2.Could watir be used as I has described?

Any suggestion is every appreciated!!

Regards
James

From watirjira at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 12:55:30 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Joe DiMauro (JIRA))
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:55:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-274) Table.rows returns
 incorrect number of rows
Message-ID: <18779801.5.1272128130720.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>


    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-274?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19610#action_19610 ] 

Joe DiMauro commented on WTR-274:
---------------------------------

Believe this is related to: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-26

The use of Watir method: top_level_table.row_count_excluding_nested_tables
will work if nested tables exist.



> Table.rows returns incorrect number of rows
> -------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-274
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-274
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Table
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: Windows XP sp3
> Ruby 1.8.7
> Watir 1.5.6
>            Reporter: Parvinder Ghotra
>             Fix For: Future
>
>
> Watir does not return correct number of rows for a table that has a nested table in it.
> If the top level table has 5 rows and one of the rows has a nested table with 2 rows, when you do
> top_level_table.rows.length Watir returns 7.
> I think it should return 5.

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From bret at pettichord.com  Sun Apr 25 18:08:09 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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Message-ID: <x2xade75c5b1004251508je36f9280o3244184782c1db91@mail.gmail.com>

I think part of the problem is that the rest of the Watir.com website
focuses on supporting the production releases of iewatir/firewatir, but the
platform page talks a lot about more experimental stuff.

I recently had a conversation with the Director of QA at Convio (who had
read Alister's recent blog post) and things didn't really make sense to him
until I said that Watir.com contained a lot of hype.

What would happen if we just said Watir is supported on IE and Firefox and
support for other browsers is in development?

Bret

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:12 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.plgmail.com<jarmo.p at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Maybe just add a note that it's under development phase and everything
> > might not work yet or something.
>
> Good point. I thought "prerelease" would be enough, but it is better to be
> explicit. I have added "watir-webdriver is in early development and
> everything might not work yet."
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



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From alister.scott at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 19:33:32 2010
From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:33:32 +1000
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
In-Reply-To: <x2xade75c5b1004251508je36f9280o3244184782c1db91@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I agree with Bret in keeping it simple. I am happy to make the changes
if there are no objections.

Cheers,

Alister Scott
Brisbane, Australia
Watir Wiki Master: http://watir.com
Blog: http://watirmelon.com
Google: http://www.google.com/profiles/alister.scott
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott

On 26/04/2010, at 8:08 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:

I think part of the problem is that the rest of the Watir.com website
focuses on supporting the production releases of iewatir/firewatir, but the
platform page talks a lot about more experimental stuff.

I recently had a conversation with the Director of QA at Convio (who had
read Alister's recent blog post) and things didn't really make sense to him
until I said that Watir.com contained a lot of hype.

What would happen if we just said Watir is supported on IE and Firefox and
support for other browsers is in development?

Bret

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:12 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.plgmail.com<jarmo.p at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Maybe just add a note that it's under development phase and everything
> > might not work yet or something.
>
> Good point. I thought "prerelease" would be enough, but it is better to be
> explicit. I have added "watir-webdriver is in early development and
> everything might not work yet."
>
> ?eljko
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Apr 26 10:32:16 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:32:16 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Alister Scott <alister.scott at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Yes, I agree with Bret in keeping it simple. I am happy to make the
changes if there are no objections.

I am for it. We should make it clear for people that some drivers are more
stable than others. Maybe we should include a metric? Like Watirspec or unit
test results. For example: IE driver 90%, FF driver 80 %, Safari driver
30%... (I made up the numbers.)

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 10:50:00 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:50:00 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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I don't think that these numbers would help any regular users. I mean,
what if, let's say the number says that it's passing 90% of tests.
This number seems very promising if you think in probability theory or
statistics, but unfortunately it's no use because what if this user
needs to use functionality in that missing 10%? There's no way to tell
before the user starts using the tool.

Jarmo

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:32 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Alister Scott <alister.scott at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Yes, I agree with Bret in keeping it simple. I am happy to make the
>> changes if there are no objections.
>
> I am for it. We should make it clear for people that some drivers are more
> stable than others. Maybe we should include a metric? Like Watirspec or unit
> test results. For example: IE driver 90%, FF driver 80 %, Safari driver
> 30%... (I made up the numbers.)
>
> ?eljko
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Apr 28 03:59:14 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:59:14 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Fwd: [selenium-developers] Proposal for a
	Selenium StackExchange site
In-Reply-To: <745eb3ec-9fe7-4b21-bea9-72685fb15aed@h27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
References: <745eb3ec-9fe7-4b21-bea9-72685fb15aed@h27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <j2of81b1251004280059m163fa6echb3cbd8970a93d019@mail.gmail.com>

What do you think about creating Watir Stack Exchange site? It is free and
uses Stack Overflow software. I think it would be the the best solution for
Watir support, but I can not support it myself. Should I ask at
watir-general? (I guess a lot of you are not monitoring watir-general.)

Forwarded mail is part of this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/selenium-developers/browse_thread/thread/6bf910d44cbf4628?hl=en

?eljko
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From: Dave Hunt <dave.hunt at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:38 AM
Subject: [selenium-developers] Proposal for a Selenium StackExchange site
To: Selenium Developers <selenium-developers at googlegroups.com>


Since the announcement that StackExchange 2.0 is going to be free, and
we'd previously discussed the possibility of such a site for Selenium
users I decided to go ahead and propose a Selenium SE site. If you
think it's a good (or bad) idea go ahead and comment/vote on the
proposal here:
http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5881/proposal-for-selenium-se

Personally I find the Google Groups (and previously Clearspace)
difficult to keep up with, meaning I spend far less time answering
questions than I'd like to. I think a SE site would be easier for
users to identify whether the question is for IDE/Grid/RC/WebDriver,
and could do a lot for reducing duplicate/newbie questions.

Dave.

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Apr 28 05:39:15 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:39:15 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Team
Message-ID: <k2zf81b1251004280239qa66d866fp6ea0879a8b5efed7@mail.gmail.com>

Since ChromeWatir is deleted, I have moved Sai to alumni section.

http://watir.com/team/

While I was editing the page, I have added a note that Jari is lead
developer of watir-webdriver.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr 29 06:19:21 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:19:21 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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References: <u2pf81b1251004120450x48b93318j1320b65125cd7073@mail.gmail.com>
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I have moved FlashWatir and "a Watir interface that uses Selenium" from
Platforms page [1] to "Alternative Tools For Web Testing" wiki page [2].

?eljko

[1] http://watir.com/platforms/
[2] http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Alternative+Tools+For+Web+Testing
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Apr 29 06:25:16 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:25:16 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Platforms
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I forgot to write in the last e-mail, I have added the link to "Alternative
Tools For Web Testing" wiki page to the bottom of the Platforms page.

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 12:08:31 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (shanth (JIRA))
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:08:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
 method returning true for hidden text also
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    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19617#action_19617 ] 

shanth commented on WTR-433:
----------------------------

The method visible_text is not exist.It is giving the below error if using that method.
undefined method `visible_text' for #<Watir::IE:0x2e64310> (NoMethodError)

Please let me know any prerequisite for using this method?

> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-433
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: HTML Controls
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>            Priority: Major
>
> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 12:13:30 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Ethan (JIRA))
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:13:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
 method returning true for hidden text also
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    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19618#action_19618 ] 

Ethan commented on WTR-433:
---------------------------

That was just a suggestion for a potential enhancement to Watir, not something that exists currently. Prerequisite for using it would be somebody actually writing such a method. I recommend opening an enhancement request ticket if you want this functionality, and hopefully it'll get written. Even better would be writing it yourself and submitting a patch. 

> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-433
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-433
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: HTML Controls
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.6
>         Environment: windows xp
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>            Priority: Major
>
> IE#text.include? method returning true for hidden text also

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Apr 30 04:32:58 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:32:58 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Contributors
Message-ID: <s2jf81b1251004300132x91928b8eu5d158572f37b4bf0@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look:

http://github.com/bret/watir/contributors

As seen at http://github.com/blog/643-contributors

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From bret at pettichord.com  Fri Apr 30 10:34:33 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:34:33 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-433) IE#text.include?
	method returning true for hidden text also
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Ethan (JIRA) <watirjira at gmail.com> wrote:

> That was just a suggestion for a potential enhancement to Watir, not
> something that exists currently. Prerequisite for using it would be somebody
> actually writing such a method. I recommend opening an enhancement request
> ticket if you want this functionality, and hopefully it'll get written. Even
> better would be writing it yourself and submitting a patch.
>

Frankly, I'm not eager to encourage people to put many enhancement requests
into our ticket system. Right now we have too many tickets as it is, and it
is very difficult to find things, just with all the patches that have been
submitted and the compatibility bugs between the different versions.

Also, pretty reluctant to add any methods that will be hard to implement in
different implementations. As it is already, the "text" method is not
compatible between versions and we should really be encouraging people not
to use it. I don't think it really is a good practice any way.

Bret


Bret Pettichord
Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

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