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All you need to do is ask. ?eljko -- watir.com - community manager watir.com/book - author watirpodcast.com - host On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:45 AM, van der Linden, Chuck < cvanderlinden at adready.com> wrote: > Hey Z > landed myself a new job (took me long enough) at a place that is using Ruby, Rails, and Watir. > I asked and got permission to add our logo (attached) to the watir.compage, and have it linked to our website ( http://www.adready.com) > I'm figuring you're the person to contact about that. if I'm wrong then let me know who to talk to. > If the provided logo is not the right size, contact David John and he should most likely be able to get you what you need. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the list of people and their contributions: - Bret - http://watir.com/watir-day/ - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ - Charley - http://watir.com/watir-day/ - Angrez: move to alumni - last commit to https://github.com/bret/watir on 2010-04-13 - Jari - https://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver - https://github.com/jarib/watirspec - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers - Jarmo - https://github.com/bret/watir - Hugh - https://github.com/bret/watir/ - Andreas - https://github.com/operasoftware/operawatir - Tom: move to alumni - https://github.com/redsquirrel/safariwatir is not under active development - ?eljko - http://watir.com/book/ - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ - http://watirpodcast.com/ - Alister - http://watir.com/watir-day/ - http://watirwebdriver.com/ - Tiffany: move to alumni - not a lot of activity on http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ - Wesley: move to alumni - not a lot of activity on http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ I would like to propose a new member of the team: - Chuck van der Linden for Watir support sheriff - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about What do you think? ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If they become active again, we move them > back. > > This is the list of people and their contributions: > > - Bret > - http://watir.com/watir-day/ > - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ > > - Charley > - http://watir.com/watir-day/ > > - Angrez: move to alumni > - last commit to https://github.com/bret/watir on 2010-04-13 > > - Jari > - https://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver > - https://github.com/jarib/watirspec > - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers > > - Jarmo > - https://github.com/bret/watir > > - Hugh > - https://github.com/bret/watir/ > > - Andreas > - https://github.com/operasoftware/operawatir > > - Tom: move to alumni > - https://github.com/redsquirrel/safariwatir is not under active > development > > - ?eljko > - http://watir.com/book/ > - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers > - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about > - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ > - http://watirpodcast.com/ > > - Alister > - http://watir.com/watir-day/ > - http://watirwebdriver.com/ > > - Tiffany: move to alumni > - not a lot of activity on http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ > > - Wesley: move to alumni > - not a lot of activity on http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ > > I would like to propose a new member of the team: > > - Chuck van der Linden for Watir support sheriff > - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers > - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about > > What do you think? > > ?eljko > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Sounds great to me. Cheers, Charley On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Alister Scott wrote: > Sounds great to me. Agree to Chuck being on the team. > > Cheers, > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > Blog: http://watirmelon.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > > "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more > and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:31 PM, ?eljko Filipin < > zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would like to propose a cleanup of http://watir.com/team/ page. >> >> Mainly, moving people that are no longer active to alumni section. Let's >> say that people from the page that did not have a major contribution in a >> year should be moved to alumni. If they become active again, we move them >> back. >> >> This is the list of people and their contributions: >> >> - Bret >> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >> - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ >> >> - Charley >> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >> >> - Angrez: move to alumni >> - last commit to https://github.com/bret/watir on 2010-04-13 >> >> - Jari >> - https://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver >> - https://github.com/jarib/watirspec >> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >> >> - Jarmo >> - https://github.com/bret/watir >> >> - Hugh >> - https://github.com/bret/watir/ >> >> - Andreas >> - https://github.com/operasoftware/operawatir >> >> - Tom: move to alumni >> - https://github.com/redsquirrel/safariwatir is not under active >> development >> >> - ?eljko >> - http://watir.com/book/ >> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >> - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about >> - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ >> - http://watirpodcast.com/ >> >> - Alister >> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >> - http://watirwebdriver.com/ >> >> - Tiffany: move to alumni >> - not a lot of activity on >> http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ >> >> - Wesley: move to alumni >> - not a lot of activity on >> http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ >> >> I would like to propose a new member of the team: >> >> - Chuck van der Linden for Watir support sheriff >> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >> - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about >> >> What do you think? >> >> ?eljko >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinsdaddy at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 18:16:09 2011 From: colinsdaddy at gmail.com (Hugh McGowan) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:16:09 -0500 Subject: [Wtr-development] watir.com/team cleanup In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: +1 Chuck is all over Watir General :) Hugh On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Charley Baker wrote: > Sounds great to me. > > Cheers, > > Charley > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Alister Scott wrote: > >> Sounds great to me. Agree to Chuck being on the team. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more >> and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:31 PM, ?eljko Filipin < >> zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to propose a cleanup of http://watir.com/team/ page. >>> >>> Mainly, moving people that are no longer active to alumni section. Let's >>> say that people from the page that did not have a major contribution in a >>> year should be moved to alumni. If they become active again, we move them >>> back. >>> >>> This is the list of people and their contributions: >>> >>> - Bret >>> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >>> - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ >>> >>> - Charley >>> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >>> >>> - Angrez: move to alumni >>> - last commit to https://github.com/bret/watir on 2010-04-13 >>> >>> - Jari >>> - https://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver >>> - https://github.com/jarib/watirspec >>> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >>> >>> - Jarmo >>> - https://github.com/bret/watir >>> >>> - Hugh >>> - https://github.com/bret/watir/ >>> >>> - Andreas >>> - https://github.com/operasoftware/operawatir >>> >>> - Tom: move to alumni >>> - https://github.com/redsquirrel/safariwatir is not under active >>> development >>> >>> - ?eljko >>> - http://watir.com/book/ >>> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >>> - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about >>> - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ >>> - http://watirpodcast.com/ >>> >>> - Alister >>> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >>> - http://watirwebdriver.com/ >>> >>> - Tiffany: move to alumni >>> - not a lot of activity on >>> http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ >>> >>> - Wesley: move to alumni >>> - not a lot of activity on >>> http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ >>> >>> I would like to propose a new member of the team: >>> >>> - Chuck van der Linden for Watir support sheriff >>> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >>> - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> ?eljko >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angrez at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 02:56:07 2011 From: angrez at gmail.com (Angrez Singh) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:26:07 +0530 Subject: [Wtr-development] watir.com/team cleanup In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: +1 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Charley Baker wrote: > Sounds great to me. > > Cheers, > > Charley > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Alister Scott wrote: > >> Sounds great to me. Agree to Chuck being on the team. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more >> and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:31 PM, ?eljko Filipin < >> zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to propose a cleanup of http://watir.com/team/ page. >>> >>> Mainly, moving people that are no longer active to alumni section. Let's >>> say that people from the page that did not have a major contribution in a >>> year should be moved to alumni. If they become active again, we move them >>> back. >>> >>> This is the list of people and their contributions: >>> >>> - Bret >>> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >>> - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ >>> >>> - Charley >>> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >>> >>> - Angrez: move to alumni >>> - last commit to https://github.com/bret/watir on 2010-04-13 >>> >>> - Jari >>> - https://github.com/jarib/watir-webdriver >>> - https://github.com/jarib/watirspec >>> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >>> >>> - Jarmo >>> - https://github.com/bret/watir >>> >>> - Hugh >>> - https://github.com/bret/watir/ >>> >>> - Andreas >>> - https://github.com/operasoftware/operawatir >>> >>> - Tom: move to alumni >>> - https://github.com/redsquirrel/safariwatir is not under active >>> development >>> >>> - ?eljko >>> - http://watir.com/book/ >>> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >>> - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about >>> - http://viaqa.mobi/category/watir-day/ >>> - http://watirpodcast.com/ >>> >>> - Alister >>> - http://watir.com/watir-day/ >>> - http://watirwebdriver.com/ >>> >>> - Tiffany: move to alumni >>> - not a lot of activity on >>> http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ >>> >>> - Wesley: move to alumni >>> - not a lot of activity on >>> http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/ >>> >>> I would like to propose a new member of the team: >>> >>> - Chuck van der Linden for Watir support sheriff >>> - http://stackoverflow.com/tags/watir/topusers >>> - http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/about >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> ?eljko >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch Fri Oct 21 06:23:49 2011 From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:23:49 +0200 Subject: [Wtr-development] watirspec gem Message-ID: I have just noticed that there is watirspec gem [1]. I remember it was the first name for Jarmo's watirsplash gem[2]. Jarmo, would you mind deleting the gem, so it does not get confused with watirspec project[3]? Please let me know if you need help with that. ?eljko -- [1] https://rubygems.org/gems/watirspec [2] https://rubygems.org/gems/watirsplash [3] https://github.com/jarib/watirspec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch Fri Oct 21 07:26:00 2011 From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:26:00 +0200 Subject: [Wtr-development] watir.com/team cleanup In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Since nobody complained, I have made the changes: moved Angrez, Tom, Tiffany and Wesley to Alumni: http://watir.com/team/ I have slightly rearranged the page, since we do not have any ports any more. Safariwatir is not in active development, and Opera support is now in watir-webdriver gem, so I have moved Andreas to core developers (from ports). I will ask Chuck if he wants to be added to the page before do it. ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarmo.p at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 11:31:05 2011 From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:31:05 +0300 Subject: [Wtr-development] watirspec gem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If i am not mistaken then i can't delete the gem. The best i could do would be to yank all the versions, but it would still be listed as a gem in rubygems.org... Do you know any real life situations when this has caused any troubles? J. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:23 PM, ?eljko Filipin < zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: > I have just noticed that there is watirspec gem [1]. I remember it was the > first name for Jarmo's watirsplash gem[2]. > > Jarmo, would you mind deleting the gem, so it does not get confused with > watirspec project[3]? Please let me know if you need help with that. > > ?eljko > -- > [1] https://rubygems.org/gems/watirspec > [2] https://rubygems.org/gems/watirsplash > [3] https://github.com/jarib/watirspec > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch Fri Oct 21 11:38:16 2011 From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:38:16 +0200 Subject: [Wtr-development] watirspec gem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Jarmo wrote: > If i am not mistaken then i can't delete the gem. The best i could do would be to yank all the versions, but it would still be listed as a gem in rubygems.org... Yes, I was talking about yanking. We did that for chromewatir: https://rubygems.org/gems/chromewatir > Do you know any real life situations when this has caused any troubles? No. Maybe it is just me. I just do not like having stuff that is not used. I am for yanking. We can vote on the list, but it is up to you to decide, even after voting. :) Anybody else has a opinion about this? ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarmo.p at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 11:55:13 2011 From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:55:13 +0300 Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir 2.0.3 Released Message-ID: Hi! Watir 2.0.3 has been released. This version has the following changes: * fix ElementCollections#[] * fix IE::Process.start for IE9 when opening multiple windows * add support for Spanish JavaScript and file upload dialogs * fix IE#execute_script for Ruby 1.9 with IE9 Install it with: gem install watir Jarmo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bret at pettichord.com Fri Oct 21 20:14:26 2011 From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Wtr-development] watir.com/team cleanup In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: +1 on all the changes and thrilled to have Chuck on board. Bret On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:26 AM, ?eljko Filipin < zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: > Since nobody complained, I have made the changes: moved Angrez, Tom, > Tiffany and Wesley to Alumni: > > http://watir.com/team/ > > I have slightly rearranged the page, since we do not have any ports any > more. Safariwatir is not in active development, and Opera support is now in > watir-webdriver gem, so I have moved Andreas to core developers (from > ports). > > I will ask Chuck if he wants to be added to the page before do it. > > ?eljko > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alister.scott at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 06:58:11 2011 From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:58:11 +1000 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from Google: *"I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > * So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari etc.) But... I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than London!) I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. Here's some of my ideas: - Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily focused on Watir/WebDriver - Specification by Example a key theme - ~ 100 attendees - Fairly cheap entry - In Austin - In Feb-March 2012 - Sponsors similar to Watir Day - Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges and competitions I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, website, timeslots, speakers etc. The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable to attend due to distance/cost. Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. Thoughts? Cheers, Alister Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia Watir Web Master: http://watir.com Blog: http://watirmelon.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > think we need to meet again next year. > > We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we > could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > > What do you think? > > Bret > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon.m.stewart at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 21:29:51 2011 From: simon.m.stewart at gmail.com (Simon Stewart) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:29:51 -0700 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for the conference. Simon On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott wrote: > I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was > something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > > I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however > that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from > Google: > >> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can >> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > > So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir > related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who > the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were > no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > > The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, > which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari > etc.) > > But... > > I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less > Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than > London!) > > I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early > next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. > Here's some of my ideas: > > Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily > focused on Watir/WebDriver > Specification by Example a key theme > ~ 100 attendees > Fairly cheap entry > In Austin > In Feb-March 2012 > Sponsors similar to Watir Day > Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges > and competitions > > I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > website, timeslots, speakers etc. > > The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable > to attend due to distance/cost. > > Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that > period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > > Thoughts? > > Cheers, > Alister > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > Blog: http://watirmelon.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > > "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and > more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > wrote: >> >> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I >> think we need to meet again next year. >> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we >> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >> What do you think? >> Bret >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > From alister.scott at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 22:14:28 2011 From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:14:28 +1000 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single track? Cheers, Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart wrote: > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > the conference. > > Simon > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott wrote: >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from >> Google: >> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari >> etc.) >> >> But... >> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than >> London!) >> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. >> Here's some of my ideas: >> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >> Specification by Example a key theme >> ~ 100 attendees >> Fairly cheap entry >> In Austin >> In Feb-March 2012 >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges >> and competitions >> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable >> to attend due to distance/cost. >> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Cheers, >> Alister >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord >> wrote: >>> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I >>> think we need to meet again next year. >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >>> What do you think? >>> Bret >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development From tim.koops at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 22:57:35 2011 From: tim.koops at gmail.com (Tim Koopmans) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:57:35 +1100 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65777131C03B42BCB9E7F1735B35D521@gmail.com> I enjoyed both, I personally like the M:N ratio of watir:selenium groups. I think with watir we have the luxury of being smaller (as a group). I therefore think a format where we can pair up or run small workshops that give us better skills in watir (or at least aligns our thinking) is most beneficial. I also enjoyed looking over Jari's shoulder and learning more about the development side of watir, that's where watir-webdriver-performance was birthed. So maybe two tracks, one around test automation/applied watir skills, another around developing/bug-fixing/contributing to watir itself. For selenium, a much bigger group, I think the stand-and-present format is more appropriate. Workshops just don't work with 200 people. That way I get exposed to lots of different people's thinking and their approach to solving a variety of test automation problems. I can put the 'now how would I do this in watir' filter on anyway. Logistics, I think it makes sense to colocate the 2, as more than one overseas trip is a struggle. I'm also happy to help sponsor the watir component again. Regards, -- Tim On Saturday, 22 October 2011 at 9:58 PM, Alister Scott wrote: > I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > > I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir track (https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/seconf/f2IddaqKpfc) on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from Google: > > > "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > > So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > > The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari etc.) > > But... > > I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than London!) > > I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. Here's some of my ideas: > > Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily focused on Watir/WebDriver > Specification by Example a key theme > ~ 100 attendees > Fairly cheap entry > In Austin > In Feb-March 2012 > Sponsors similar to Watir Day > Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges and competitions > I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, website, timeslots, speakers etc. > > The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable to attend due to distance/cost. > > Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > > Thoughts? > > Cheers, > Alister > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > Blog: http://watirmelon.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > > "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > > It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I think we need to meet again next year. > > > > We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Bret > > > > -- > > Bret Pettichord > > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com (http://www.watir.com) > > > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com (http://www.testingwithvision.com) > > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord (http://www.twitter.com/bpettichord) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wtr-development mailing list > > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org (mailto:Wtr-development at rubyforge.org) > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org (mailto:Wtr-development at rubyforge.org) > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alister.scott at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 23:19:15 2011 From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:19:15 +1000 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: <65777131C03B42BCB9E7F1735B35D521@gmail.com> References: <65777131C03B42BCB9E7F1735B35D521@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I were to attend a wokshop in Austin, I would not attend the Selenium Conference in London. Selfishly I would prefer Austin: nicer city IMO, plus a 16 hour flight instead of 25 hours to London for me. Cheers, Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia Watir Web Master: http://watir.com Blog: http://watirmelon.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Tim Koopmans wrote: > I enjoyed both, I personally like the M:N ratio of watir:selenium groups. > > I think with watir we have the luxury of being smaller (as a group). I > therefore think a format where we can pair up or run small workshops that > give us better skills in watir (or at least aligns our thinking) is most > beneficial. I also enjoyed looking over Jari's shoulder and learning more > about the development side of watir, that's where > watir-webdriver-performance was birthed. So maybe two tracks, one around > test automation/applied watir skills, another around > developing/bug-fixing/contributing to watir itself. > > For selenium, a much bigger group, I think the stand-and-present format is > more appropriate. Workshops just don't work with 200 people. > That way I get exposed to lots of different people's thinking and their > approach to solving a variety of test automation problems. I can put the > 'now how would I do this in watir' filter on anyway. > > Logistics, I think it makes sense to colocate the 2, as more than one > overseas trip is a struggle. I'm also happy to help sponsor the watir > component again. > > Regards, > > -- > Tim > > On Saturday, 22 October 2011 at 9:58 PM, Alister Scott wrote: > > I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It > was something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > > I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however > that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > track on > the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from Google: > > *"I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > * > > > So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir > related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who > the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were > no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > > The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, > which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari > etc.) > > But... > > I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less > Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than > London!) > > I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early > next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. > Here's some of my ideas: > > > - Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but > primarily focused on Watir/WebDriver > - Specification by Example a key theme > - ~ 100 attendees > - Fairly cheap entry > - In Austin > - In Feb-March 2012 > - Sponsors similar to Watir Day > - Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, > challenges and competitions > > I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > website, timeslots, speakers etc. > > The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable > to attend due to distance/cost. > > Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid > that period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > > Thoughts? > > Cheers, > Alister > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > Blog: http://watirmelon.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > > "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more > and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > > It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > think we need to meet again next year. > > We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we > could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > > What do you think? > > Bret > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in both. 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details on that soon. 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time. Bret On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott wrote: > Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? > SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule > was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? > Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single > track? > > Cheers, > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > > On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart > wrote: > > > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > > the conference. > > > > Simon > > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott > wrote: > >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It > was > >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > >> > >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems > however > >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from > >> Google: > >> > >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > >> > >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything > Watir > >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding > who > >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there > were > >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > >> > >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in > London, > >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, > Jari > >> etc.) > >> > >> But... > >> > >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less > >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate > than > >> London!) > >> > >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early > >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. > >> Here's some of my ideas: > >> > >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but > primarily > >> focused on Watir/WebDriver > >> Specification by Example a key theme > >> ~ 100 attendees > >> Fairly cheap entry > >> In Austin > >> In Feb-March 2012 > >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day > >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, > challenges > >> and competitions > >> > >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. > >> > >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are > unable > >> to attend due to distance/cost. > >> > >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid > that > >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alister > >> > >> Alister Scott > >> Brisbane, Australia > >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > >> > >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more > and > >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > >>> think we need to meet again next year. > >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or > we > >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > >>> What do you think? > >>> Bret > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Bret Pettichord > >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > >>> > >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wtr-development mailing list > >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wtr-development mailing list > >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wtr-development mailing list > > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I'm also happy to help this time as well, though likely won't be able to afford the expense or time of going to London. :( Let me know. Cheers, Charley On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in > both. > > 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's > support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details > on that soon. > > 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you > would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in > the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time. > > Bret > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott wrote: > >> Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? >> SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule >> was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? >> Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single >> track? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia >> >> On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart >> wrote: >> >> > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular >> > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything >> > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track >> > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no >> > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for >> > the conference. >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott >> wrote: >> >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. >> It was >> >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >> >> >> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >> >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems >> however >> >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a >> Watir >> >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart >> from >> >> Google: >> >> >> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we >> can >> >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >> >> >> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything >> Watir >> >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people >> deciding who >> >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there >> were >> >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >> >> >> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in >> London, >> >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, >> Jari >> >> etc.) >> >> >> >> But... >> >> >> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less >> >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate >> than >> >> London!) >> >> >> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event >> early >> >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir >> framework. >> >> Here's some of my ideas: >> >> >> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but >> primarily >> >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >> >> Specification by Example a key theme >> >> ~ 100 attendees >> >> Fairly cheap entry >> >> In Austin >> >> In Feb-March 2012 >> >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >> >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, >> challenges >> >> and competitions >> >> >> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >> >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >> >> >> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are >> unable >> >> to attend due to distance/cost. >> >> >> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid >> that >> >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister >> >> >> >> Alister Scott >> >> Brisbane, Australia >> >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate >> more and >> >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > > >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. >> I >> >>> think we need to meet again next year. >> >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, >> or we >> >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >> >>> What do you think? >> >>> Bret >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Bret Pettichord >> >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >>> >> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wtr-development mailing list >> >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wtr-development mailing list >> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wtr-development mailing list >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> Hi all! I'm currently planning on attending both events and I'm happy to help with the either/both in any way I can. Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate tracks - I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret's awesome keynote. It's likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them. I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, reporting, etc.). Looking forward to seeing everyone! -Tiffany From: Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM To: Watir development Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in both. 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details on that soon. 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time. Bret On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott wrote: Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single track? Cheers, Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart wrote: > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > the conference. > > Simon > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott wrote: >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from >> Google: >> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari >> etc.) >> >> But... >> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than >> London!) >> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. >> Here's some of my ideas: >> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >> Specification by Example a key theme >> ~ 100 attendees >> Fairly cheap entry >> In Austin >> In Feb-March 2012 >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges >> and competitions >> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable >> to attend due to distance/cost. >> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Cheers, >> Alister >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord >> wrote: >>> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I >>> think we need to meet again next year. >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >>> What do you think? >>> Bret >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development _______________________________________________ Wtr-development mailing list Wtr-development at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> Message-ID: Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for the Austin Watir and Selenium event? Bret On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: > Hi all!**** > > ** ** > > I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help with > the either/both in any way I can.**** > > ** ** > > Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate > tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome keynote. It?s > likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and > more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific > parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them.**** > > ** ** > > I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of > months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra > cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and > heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something > like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help > people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, > reporting, etc.).**** > > ** ** > > Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** > > ** ** > > -Tiffany**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM > *To:* Watir development > *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** > > ** ** > > 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in > both.**** > > 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's > support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details > on that soon.**** > > 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you > would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in > the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.*** > * > > Bret**** > > ** ** > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott > wrote:**** > > Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? > SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule > was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? > Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single > track?**** > > > Cheers, > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia**** > > On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart > wrote: > > > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > > the conference. > > > > Simon > > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott > wrote: > >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It > was > >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > >> > >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems > however > >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from > >> Google: > >> > >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > >> > >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything > Watir > >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding > who > >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there > were > >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > >> > >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in > London, > >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, > Jari > >> etc.) > >> > >> But... > >> > >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less > >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate > than > >> London!) > >> > >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early > >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. > >> Here's some of my ideas: > >> > >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but > primarily > >> focused on Watir/WebDriver > >> Specification by Example a key theme > >> ~ 100 attendees > >> Fairly cheap entry > >> In Austin > >> In Feb-March 2012 > >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day > >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, > challenges > >> and competitions > >> > >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. > >> > >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are > unable > >> to attend due to distance/cost. > >> > >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid > that > >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alister > >> > >> Alister Scott > >> Brisbane, Australia > >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > >> > >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more > and > >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > >>> think we need to meet again next year. > >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or > we > >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > >>> What do you think? > >>> Bret > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Bret Pettichord > >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > >>> > >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wtr-development mailing list > >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wtr-development mailing list > >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wtr-development mailing list > > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> Message-ID: Format for Austin event Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space Sunday Morning: Final Assembly Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking What do you think? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for > the Austin Watir and Selenium event? > > Bret > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: > >> Hi all!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help with >> the either/both in any way I can.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate >> tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome keynote. It?s >> likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and >> more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific >> parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of >> months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra >> cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and >> heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something >> like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help >> people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, >> reporting, etc.).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> -Tiffany**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM >> *To:* Watir development >> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in >> both.**** >> >> 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's >> support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details >> on that soon.**** >> >> 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you >> would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in >> the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.** >> ** >> >> Bret**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott >> wrote:**** >> >> Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? >> SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule >> was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? >> Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single >> track?**** >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia**** >> >> On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart >> wrote: >> >> > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular >> > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything >> > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track >> > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no >> > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for >> > the conference. >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott >> wrote: >> >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. >> It was >> >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >> >> >> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >> >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems >> however >> >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a >> Watir >> >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart >> from >> >> Google: >> >> >> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we >> can >> >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >> >> >> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything >> Watir >> >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people >> deciding who >> >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there >> were >> >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >> >> >> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in >> London, >> >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, >> Jari >> >> etc.) >> >> >> >> But... >> >> >> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less >> >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate >> than >> >> London!) >> >> >> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event >> early >> >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir >> framework. >> >> Here's some of my ideas: >> >> >> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but >> primarily >> >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >> >> Specification by Example a key theme >> >> ~ 100 attendees >> >> Fairly cheap entry >> >> In Austin >> >> In Feb-March 2012 >> >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >> >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, >> challenges >> >> and competitions >> >> >> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >> >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >> >> >> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are >> unable >> >> to attend due to distance/cost. >> >> >> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid >> that >> >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister >> >> >> >> Alister Scott >> >> Brisbane, Australia >> >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate >> more and >> >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > > >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. >> I >> >>> think we need to meet again next year. >> >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, >> or we >> >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >> >>> What do you think? >> >>> Bret >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Bret Pettichord >> >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >>> >> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wtr-development mailing list >> >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wtr-development mailing list >> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wtr-development mailing list >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM, ?eljko Filipin < zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: > I will ask Chuck if he wants to be added to the page before do it. Chuck said he would be proud to wear Watir support sheriff star: http://watir.com/team/ http://watir.com/2011/10/25/watir-team-news/ ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch Tue Oct 25 06:37:04 2011 From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:37:04 +0200 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References: <65777131C03B42BCB9E7F1735B35D521@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Alister Scott wrote: > If I were to attend a wokshop in Austin, I would not attend the Selenium Conference in London. Same here. > Selfishly I would prefer Austin: nicer city IMO, plus a 16 hour flight instead of 25 hours to London for me. It is opposite for me. It took me about 24 hours to get to Austin, and there are direct flights Zagreb-London (under 3 hours). ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch Tue Oct 25 06:40:55 2011 From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:40:55 +0200 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References:

<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time. I would love to come to both events, but I will probably have enough money for one, and Austin sounds more interesting. I have some experience since I have organized a conference in Zagreb last year. If somehow I manage to get to both events, I would be happy to help, but as things are now, I will probably go to Austin only. ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch Tue Oct 25 06:42:56 2011 From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:42:56 +0200 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References:

<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops > Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track > Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space > Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track > Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space > Sunday Morning: Final Assembly Sounds great. > Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking Beer and public transportation? :) ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alister.scott at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 06:59:22 2011 From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:59:22 +1000 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References:

<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> Message-ID: Format sounds great. Cheers, Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia Watir Web Master: http://watir.com Blog: http://watirmelon.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > Format for Austin event > > Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops > Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track > Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space > Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track > Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space > Sunday Morning: Final Assembly > Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking > > What do you think? > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > >> Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for >> the Austin Watir and Selenium event? >> >> Bret >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: >> >>> Hi all!**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help >>> with the either/both in any way I can.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the >>> separate tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome >>> keynote. It?s likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt >>> friendlier and more interactive than the rest of the conference. The >>> Selenium-specific parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them. >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of >>> months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra >>> cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and >>> heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something >>> like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help >>> people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, >>> reporting, etc.).**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -Tiffany**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM >>> *To:* Watir development >>> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate >>> in both.**** >>> >>> 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and >>> Alister's support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More >>> details on that soon.**** >>> >>> 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you >>> would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in >>> the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.* >>> *** >>> >>> Bret**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? >>> SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule >>> was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? >>> Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single >>> track?**** >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Alister Scott >>> Brisbane, Australia**** >>> >>> On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular >>> > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything >>> > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track >>> > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no >>> > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for >>> > the conference. >>> > >>> > Simon >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott < >>> alister.scott at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. >>> It was >>> >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >>> >> >>> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >>> >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems >>> however >>> >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a >>> Watir >>> >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart >>> from >>> >> Google: >>> >> >>> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we >>> can >>> >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >>> >> >>> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything >>> Watir >>> >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people >>> deciding who >>> >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection >>> there were >>> >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >>> >> >>> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in >>> London, >>> >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, >>> Jari >>> >> etc.) >>> >> >>> >> But... >>> >> >>> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but >>> less >>> >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate >>> than >>> >> London!) >>> >> >>> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event >>> early >>> >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir >>> framework. >>> >> Here's some of my ideas: >>> >> >>> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but >>> primarily >>> >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >>> >> Specification by Example a key theme >>> >> ~ 100 attendees >>> >> Fairly cheap entry >>> >> In Austin >>> >> In Feb-March 2012 >>> >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >>> >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, >>> challenges >>> >> and competitions >>> >> >>> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >>> >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >>> >> >>> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are >>> unable >>> >> to attend due to distance/cost. >>> >> >>> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to >>> avoid that >>> >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >>> >> >>> >> Thoughts? >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Alister >>> >> >>> >> Alister Scott >>> >> Brisbane, Australia >>> >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >>> >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >>> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >>> >> >>> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate >>> more and >>> >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord < >>> bret at pettichord.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. >>> I >>> >>> think we need to meet again next year. >>> >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, >>> or we >>> >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Bret >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Bret Pettichord >>> >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wtr-development mailing list >>> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wtr-development mailing list >>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >> > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or we could meet some where else. > > Zagreb? :) > > I could probably go to either Austin or London. If I had to choose, I would > pick Austin. > > ?eljko > -- > watir.com - community manager > watir.com/book - author > watirpodcast.com - host > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: 2011/10/25 Alister Scott > Didn't you just reply to another email saying you'd prefer London (3 hour flight)? Now I see I have forgot to remove "Selfishly I would prefer Austin" from the quote I was replying to (and I said "It is opposite for me"). I was replying to "16 hour flight instead of 25 hours to London for me". In short: I would rather go to Austin, regardless of the fact it is 24 hour flight versus 3 hours to London. ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinsdaddy at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 23:20:38 2011 From: colinsdaddy at gmail.com (Hugh McGowan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:20:38 -0500 Subject: [Wtr-development] AWTA 2012 Potential Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll give a call. From Bret's Google plus post it looks like we're anticipating a space for 100 people right? Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bret at pettichord.com Wed Oct 26 01:34:07 2011 From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:34:07 -0500 Subject: [Wtr-development] AWTA 2012 Potential Dates In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Right On Tuesday, October 25, 2011, Hugh McGowan wrote: > I'll give a call. From Bret's Google plus post it looks like we're anticipating a space for 100 people right? > > Hugh > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcfodor at comcast.net Wed Oct 26 14:27:28 2011 From: tcfodor at comcast.net (Tiffany Fodor) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:27:28 -0600 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References:

<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> Message-ID: <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Hello! The format looks great to me, although I do like Zeljko's idea of public transportation and beer. ;-) I'd be happy to organize the charity workshops. I'll start by: 1. Researching local charities in Austin and London (feel free to point out any favorites you may have), 2. Brainstorming on workshop topics (again, feel free to chime in if you have ideas) 3. Emailing Marty Haught (the guy behind the Rocky Mountain Ruby conference) to see if he has any advice on setting them up Take care! -Tiffany From: Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:25 PM To: Watir development Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day Format for Austin event Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space Sunday Morning: Final Assembly Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking What do you think? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for the Austin Watir and Selenium event? Bret On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: Hi all! I'm currently planning on attending both events and I'm happy to help with the either/both in any way I can. Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate tracks - I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret's awesome keynote. It's likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them. I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, reporting, etc.). Looking forward to seeing everyone! -Tiffany From: Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM To: Watir development Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in both. 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details on that soon. 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time. Bret On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott wrote: Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single track? Cheers, Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart wrote: > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > the conference. > > Simon > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott wrote: >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It was >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems however >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from >> Google: >> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything Watir >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding who >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there were >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in London, >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, Jari >> etc.) >> >> But... >> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate than >> London!) >> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. >> Here's some of my ideas: >> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but primarily >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >> Specification by Example a key theme >> ~ 100 attendees >> Fairly cheap entry >> In Austin >> In Feb-March 2012 >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, challenges >> and competitions >> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are unable >> to attend due to distance/cost. >> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid that >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Cheers, >> Alister >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord >> wrote: >>> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I >>> think we need to meet again next year. >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or we >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >>> What do you think? >>> Bret >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development _______________________________________________ Wtr-development mailing list Wtr-development at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord _______________________________________________ Wtr-development mailing list Wtr-development at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Message-ID: I actually co-organized Rocky Mountain Ruby. :) So feel free to hit me up. Cheers, Charley On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: > Hello! **** > > ** ** > > The format looks great to me, although I do like Zeljko?s idea of public > transportation and beer. ;-)**** > > ** ** > > I?d be happy to organize the charity workshops. I?ll start by:**** > > ** ** > > **1. **Researching local charities in Austin and London (feel free > to point out any favorites you may have), **** > > **2. **Brainstorming on workshop topics (again, feel free to chime > in if you have ideas)**** > > **3. **Emailing Marty Haught (the guy behind the Rocky Mountain Ruby > conference) to see if he has any advice on setting them up**** > > ** ** > > Take care!**** > > ** ** > > -Tiffany**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] > *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 8:25 PM > *To:* Watir development > *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** > > ** ** > > Format for Austin event**** > > ** ** > > Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops**** > > Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** > > Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** > > Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** > > Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** > > Sunday Morning: Final Assembly**** > > Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking**** > > ** ** > > What do you think?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord > wrote:**** > > Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for > the Austin Watir and Selenium event? **** > > ** ** > > Bret**** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor > wrote:**** > > Hi all!**** > > **** > > I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help with > the either/both in any way I can.**** > > **** > > Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate > tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome keynote. It?s > likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and > more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific > parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them.**** > > **** > > I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of > months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra > cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and > heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something > like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help > people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, > reporting, etc.).**** > > **** > > Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** > > **** > > -Tiffany**** > > **** > > *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM > *To:* Watir development > *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** > > **** > > 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in > both.**** > > 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's > support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details > on that soon.**** > > 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you > would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in > the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.*** > * > > Bret**** > > **** > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott > wrote:**** > > Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? > SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule > was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? > Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single > track?**** > > > Cheers, > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia**** > > On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart > wrote: > > > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > > the conference. > > > > Simon > > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott > wrote: > >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It > was > >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > >> > >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems > however > >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from > >> Google: > >> > >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > >> > >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything > Watir > >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding > who > >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there > were > >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > >> > >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in > London, > >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, > Jari > >> etc.) > >> > >> But... > >> > >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less > >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate > than > >> London!) > >> > >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early > >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. > >> Here's some of my ideas: > >> > >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but > primarily > >> focused on Watir/WebDriver > >> Specification by Example a key theme > >> ~ 100 attendees > >> Fairly cheap entry > >> In Austin > >> In Feb-March 2012 > >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day > >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, > challenges > >> and competitions > >> > >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. > >> > >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are > unable > >> to attend due to distance/cost. > >> > >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid > that > >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alister > >> > >> Alister Scott > >> Brisbane, Australia > >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > >> > >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more > and > >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > >>> think we need to meet again next year. > >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or > we > >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > >>> What do you think? > >>> Bret > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Bret Pettichord > >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > >>> > >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wtr-development mailing list > >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wtr-development mailing list > >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wtr-development mailing list > > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Message-ID: Austin has several brewpubs and other places to drink great beers. I'm sure Zeljko won't wait till Sunday to partake. Public transportation, however, is limited. Our trains don't run on weekends, although we do have buses. We also have lots of great bike trails. Bret On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: > Hello! **** > > ** ** > > The format looks great to me, although I do like Zeljko?s idea of public > transportation and beer. ;-)**** > > ** ** > > I?d be happy to organize the charity workshops. I?ll start by:**** > > ** ** > > **1. **Researching local charities in Austin and London (feel free > to point out any favorites you may have), **** > > **2. **Brainstorming on workshop topics (again, feel free to chime > in if you have ideas)**** > > **3. **Emailing Marty Haught (the guy behind the Rocky Mountain Ruby > conference) to see if he has any advice on setting them up**** > > ** ** > > Take care!**** > > ** ** > > -Tiffany**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] > *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 8:25 PM > > *To:* Watir development > *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** > > ** ** > > Format for Austin event**** > > ** ** > > Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops**** > > Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** > > Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** > > Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** > > Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** > > Sunday Morning: Final Assembly**** > > Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking**** > > ** ** > > What do you think?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord > wrote:**** > > Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for > the Austin Watir and Selenium event? **** > > ** ** > > Bret**** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor > wrote:**** > > Hi all!**** > > **** > > I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help with > the either/both in any way I can.**** > > **** > > Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate > tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome keynote. It?s > likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and > more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific > parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them.**** > > **** > > I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of > months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra > cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and > heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something > like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help > people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, > reporting, etc.).**** > > **** > > Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** > > **** > > -Tiffany**** > > **** > > *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM > *To:* Watir development > *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** > > **** > > 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in > both.**** > > 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's > support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details > on that soon.**** > > 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you > would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in > the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.*** > * > > Bret**** > > **** > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott > wrote:**** > > Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? > SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule > was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? > Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single > track?**** > > > Cheers, > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia**** > > On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart > wrote: > > > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular > > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything > > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track > > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no > > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for > > the conference. > > > > Simon > > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott > wrote: > >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. It > was > >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. > >> > >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more > >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems > however > >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a Watir > >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart from > >> Google: > >> > >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we can > >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." > >> > >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything > Watir > >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people deciding > who > >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there > were > >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. > >> > >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in > London, > >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, > Jari > >> etc.) > >> > >> But... > >> > >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less > >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate > than > >> London!) > >> > >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event early > >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir framework. > >> Here's some of my ideas: > >> > >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but > primarily > >> focused on Watir/WebDriver > >> Specification by Example a key theme > >> ~ 100 attendees > >> Fairly cheap entry > >> In Austin > >> In Feb-March 2012 > >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day > >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, > challenges > >> and competitions > >> > >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, > >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. > >> > >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are > unable > >> to attend due to distance/cost. > >> > >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid > that > >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alister > >> > >> Alister Scott > >> Brisbane, Australia > >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com > >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott > >> > >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more > and > >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. I > >>> think we need to meet again next year. > >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, or > we > >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. > >>> What do you think? > >>> Bret > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Bret Pettichord > >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > >>> > >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wtr-development mailing list > >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wtr-development mailing list > >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wtr-development mailing list > > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Message-ID: I am using Google+ to include more people in the planning of this conference. Please read and comment on the announcement on my wall. https://plus.google.com/u/0/114361487365233459418 Hugh is checking into dates at the Northcross Conference Center. Bret On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > Austin has several brewpubs and other places to drink great beers. I'm sure > Zeljko won't wait till Sunday to partake. > > Public transportation, however, is limited. Our trains don't run on > weekends, although we do have buses. We also have lots of great bike trails. > > Bret > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: > >> Hello! **** >> >> ** ** >> >> The format looks great to me, although I do like Zeljko?s idea of public >> transportation and beer. ;-)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I?d be happy to organize the charity workshops. I?ll start by:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **1. **Researching local charities in Austin and London (feel free >> to point out any favorites you may have), **** >> >> **2. **Brainstorming on workshop topics (again, feel free to chime >> in if you have ideas)**** >> >> **3. **Emailing Marty Haught (the guy behind the Rocky Mountain >> Ruby conference) to see if he has any advice on setting them up**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Take care!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> -Tiffany**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 8:25 PM >> >> *To:* Watir development >> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Format for Austin event**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops**** >> >> Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** >> >> Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** >> >> Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** >> >> Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** >> >> Sunday Morning: Final Assembly**** >> >> Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What do you think?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord >> wrote:**** >> >> Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for >> the Austin Watir and Selenium event? **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Bret**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor >> wrote:**** >> >> Hi all!**** >> >> **** >> >> I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help with >> the either/both in any way I can.**** >> >> **** >> >> Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the separate >> tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome keynote. It?s >> likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt friendlier and >> more interactive than the rest of the conference. The Selenium-specific >> parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them.**** >> >> **** >> >> I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of >> months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra >> cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and >> heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something >> like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help >> people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, >> reporting, etc.).**** >> >> **** >> >> Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** >> >> **** >> >> -Tiffany**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM >> *To:* Watir development >> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** >> >> **** >> >> 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate in >> both.**** >> >> 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and Alister's >> support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More details >> on that soon.**** >> >> 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you >> would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in >> the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.** >> ** >> >> Bret**** >> >> **** >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott >> wrote:**** >> >> Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? >> SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule >> was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? >> Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single >> track?**** >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister Scott >> Brisbane, Australia**** >> >> On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart >> wrote: >> >> > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular >> > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything >> > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track >> > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no >> > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for >> > the conference. >> > >> > Simon >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott >> wrote: >> >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. >> It was >> >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >> >> >> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >> >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems >> however >> >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a >> Watir >> >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart >> from >> >> Google: >> >> >> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we >> can >> >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >> >> >> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything >> Watir >> >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people >> deciding who >> >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection there >> were >> >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >> >> >> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in >> London, >> >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, >> Jari >> >> etc.) >> >> >> >> But... >> >> >> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but less >> >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate >> than >> >> London!) >> >> >> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event >> early >> >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir >> framework. >> >> Here's some of my ideas: >> >> >> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but >> primarily >> >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >> >> Specification by Example a key theme >> >> ~ 100 attendees >> >> Fairly cheap entry >> >> In Austin >> >> In Feb-March 2012 >> >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >> >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, >> challenges >> >> and competitions >> >> >> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >> >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >> >> >> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are >> unable >> >> to attend due to distance/cost. >> >> >> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to avoid >> that >> >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alister >> >> >> >> Alister Scott >> >> Brisbane, Australia >> >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >> >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >> >> >> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate >> more and >> >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord > > >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. >> I >> >>> think we need to meet again next year. >> >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, >> or we >> >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >> >>> What do you think? >> >>> Bret >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Bret Pettichord >> >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >>> >> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wtr-development mailing list >> >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wtr-development mailing list >> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wtr-development mailing list >> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wtr-development mailing list >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >> > > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Message-ID: Do we have a name for this event? Is it an AWTA? I will create a Google Group to plan the event as soon as we have a name. Cheers, Alister Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia Watir Web Master: http://watir.com Blog: http://watirmelon.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > I am using Google+ to include more people in the planning of this > conference. Please read and comment on the announcement on my wall. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/114361487365233459418 > > Hugh is checking into dates at the Northcross Conference Center. > > Bret > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote: > >> Austin has several brewpubs and other places to drink great beers. I'm >> sure Zeljko won't wait till Sunday to partake. >> >> Public transportation, however, is limited. Our trains don't run on >> weekends, although we do have buses. We also have lots of great bike trails. >> >> Bret >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Tiffany Fodor wrote: >> >>> Hello! **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The format looks great to me, although I do like Zeljko?s idea of public >>> transportation and beer. ;-)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I?d be happy to organize the charity workshops. I?ll start by:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> **1. **Researching local charities in Austin and London (feel free >>> to point out any favorites you may have), **** >>> >>> **2. **Brainstorming on workshop topics (again, feel free to chime >>> in if you have ideas)**** >>> >>> **3. **Emailing Marty Haught (the guy behind the Rocky Mountain >>> Ruby conference) to see if he has any advice on setting them up**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Take care!**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -Tiffany**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 8:25 PM >>> >>> *To:* Watir development >>> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Format for Austin event**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thursday: Pre-conference Workshops**** >>> >>> Friday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** >>> >>> Friday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** >>> >>> Saturday Morning: General Assembly - Single Track**** >>> >>> Saturday Afternoon: Working Groups - Open Space**** >>> >>> Sunday Morning: Final Assembly**** >>> >>> Sunday Afternoon: Coffeshops and Biking**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> What do you think?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Bret Pettichord >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Tiffany, could you please organize the pre-conference training track for >>> the Austin Watir and Selenium event? **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Bret**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Tiffany Fodor >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi all!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I?m currently planning on attending both events and I?m happy to help >>> with the either/both in any way I can.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Personally, I liked the format at SeConf last year because of the >>> separate tracks ? I especially enjoyed Watir Day and Bret?s awesome >>> keynote. It?s likely because there were fewer attendees, but Watir Day felt >>> friendlier and more interactive than the rest of the conference. The >>> Selenium-specific parts were so crowded that I bailed out of a lot of them. >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I attended the Rocky Mountain Ruby Conference here in Boulder a couple of >>> months ago. They had separate pre-conference training tracks (at an extra >>> cost, but the money went to local charities) that were really useful and >>> heavily attended. http://rockymtnruby.com/charity_workshop Something >>> like this might be a great way to help newbies learn about Watir or help >>> people who know the basics get better at advanced skills (frameworks, >>> reporting, etc.).**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Looking forward to seeing everyone!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> -Tiffany**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* Bret Pettichord [mailto:bret at pettichord.com] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:28 AM >>> *To:* Watir development >>> *Subject:* Re: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> 1. We will have events in both London and Austin. I plan to participate >>> in both.**** >>> >>> 2. I've talked to several local folks about it and with that and >>> Alister's support, I think we will make a really great event in Austin. More >>> details on that soon.**** >>> >>> 3. I would like to hear from the Watir Team in Europe regarding what you >>> would like to see happen in London. Charley and Alister played key roles in >>> the San Francisco Watir Day and we'd need similar volunteers this time.* >>> *** >>> >>> Bret**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Alister Scott >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Simon: what's the reasoning behind a single track conference? >>> SeConf this year was multi track (although the second track schedule >>> was only organized at the conference), so didn't this work? >>> Won't there be too much variety to keep everyone interested in a single >>> track?**** >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Alister Scott >>> Brisbane, Australia**** >>> >>> On 23/10/2011, at 11:48 AM, Simon Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Saying that I'd rather not have a track dedicated to a particular >>> > technology is not the same thing as saying that I don't want anything >>> > to do with that technology. Since SeConf will be a single track >>> > conference, the concept of a track dedicated to _anything_ makes no >>> > sense. As I said before: watir talks can certainly be submitted for >>> > the conference. >>> > >>> > Simon >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Alister Scott < >>> alister.scott at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> I enjoyed Watir Day immensely this year, Selenium Conference less so. >>> It was >>> >> something about the size/intimacy of Watir Day that made it special. >>> >> >>> >> I remember hearing lots of discussion about how Watir could be more >>> >> integrated into SeConf next year at this year's conference. It seems >>> however >>> >> that this theme has been lost since then, as when Bret suggested a >>> Watir >>> >> track on the SeConf group it was quickly dismissed by Simon Stewart >>> from >>> >> Google: >>> >> >>> >>> "I'd rather avoid having tracks dedicated to a specific API, but we >>> can >>> >>> certainly accept watir talks into the main event." >>> >> >>> >> So, it made me think, there's an inherent risk of not having anything >>> Watir >>> >> related on the agenda considering how Selenium heavy the people >>> deciding who >>> >> the speakers will be (Jason Huggins et al), and from recollection >>> there were >>> >> no watir talks accepted for the main conference this year. >>> >> >>> >> The benefit of the Selenium Conference 2012 is obviously it is in >>> London, >>> >> which is considerably closer to a lot of the key team (Zeljko, Jarmo, >>> Jari >>> >> etc.) >>> >> >>> >> But... >>> >> >>> >> I attended AWTA is 2009, and it was fantastic. Like Watir Day, but >>> less >>> >> Watir specific. Plus I really enjoyed visiting Austin (better climate >>> than >>> >> London!) >>> >> >>> >> I've had some quick discussions with Bret about an AWTA like event >>> early >>> >> next year. Bret is keen to showcase Watirmark: Convio's Watir >>> framework. >>> >> Here's some of my ideas: >>> >> >>> >> Open source test automation workshop - not Watir specific - but >>> primarily >>> >> focused on Watir/WebDriver >>> >> Specification by Example a key theme >>> >> ~ 100 attendees >>> >> Fairly cheap entry >>> >> In Austin >>> >> In Feb-March 2012 >>> >> Sponsors similar to Watir Day >>> >> Interesting varied workshop with hands on demos, presentations, >>> challenges >>> >> and competitions >>> >> >>> >> I am more than happy to help with organization: promotion, ticketing, >>> >> website, timeslots, speakers etc. >>> >> >>> >> The problem I see is if the key Watir folk (Jarmo, Jari, Zeljko) are >>> unable >>> >> to attend due to distance/cost. >>> >> >>> >> Also, SXSW (South by SouthWest) in on March 9-18, so we'd want to >>> avoid that >>> >> period as it would be almost impossible to get hotels etc. I imagine. >>> >> >>> >> Thoughts? >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Alister >>> >> >>> >> Alister Scott >>> >> Brisbane, Australia >>> >> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >>> >> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >>> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >>> >> >>> >> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate >>> more and >>> >> more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Bret Pettichord < >>> bret at pettichord.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> It was really great to see so many of you in San Francisco this year. >>> I >>> >>> think we need to meet again next year. >>> >>> We could meet with the Selenium team again, but this time in London, >>> or we >>> >>> could meet here in Austin. Or we could meet some where else. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Bret >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Bret Pettichord >>> >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wtr-development mailing list >>> >> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wtr-development mailing list >>> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development**** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord**** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wtr-development mailing list >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.testingwithvision.com >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >> > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.testingwithvision.com > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Alister Scott wrote: > I will create a Google Group to plan the event as soon as we have a name. Do we need another group? We could use awta at yahoogroups.com: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/awta/ ?eljko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bret at pettichord.com Thu Oct 27 10:42:38 2011 From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:42:38 -0500 Subject: [Wtr-development] 2012 Watir Day In-Reply-To: References:

<-7200017871141212574@unknownmsgid> <00a301cc9263$44528ca0$ccf7a5e0$@net> <000c01cc940c$f4741b30$dd5c5190$@net> Message-ID: I don't think it is an AWTA. There are a number of things we have done at AWTA that we aren't planning to do this time. 1. AWTA is by invitation only. Applicants must apply. They are not added to the mailing list until they have been accepted. 2. AWTA makes no distinction between presenters and attendees. Same application and fees for all. 3. AWTA has been limited to 25 people. 4. AWTA has never had sponsors. I'm happy to discuss relaxing these rules, but that conversation needs to happen on the AWTA list (by those of you have been to AWTA before). I agree, it does need a name. Bret On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:29 AM, ?eljko Filipin < zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Alister Scott > wrote: > > I will create a Google Group to plan the event as soon as we have a name. > > Do we need another group? We could use awta at yahoogroups.com: > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/awta/ > > ?eljko > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinsdaddy at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 18:12:38 2011 From: colinsdaddy at gmail.com (Hugh McGowan) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:12:38 -0500 Subject: [Wtr-development] AWTA 2012 Potential Dates In-Reply-To: References:

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Message-ID: We should go visit Northcross next week during lunch. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Hugh McGowan wrote: > Left a message and sent an email. Will let you know what I find out. > > Hugh > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > -- Bret Pettichord Director, Watir Project, www.watir.com Blog, www.testingwithvision.com Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alister.scott at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 22:12:25 2011 From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:12:25 +1000 Subject: [Wtr-development] Ideas for name of workshop Message-ID: <3570560154017808552@unknownmsgid> * BAT - better automated testing * DAFT - delivering automated functional testing * WOOSAT - workshop on open source automated testing * OS-TAW - open source test automation workshop * TTAT - testers talk automated testing * PTAC - practical/pragmatic test automation conference Other ideas? Should it be a 'workshop' or a 'conference'? Cheers, Alister Scott Brisbane, Australia From tim.koops at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 22:18:28 2011 From: tim.koops at gmail.com (Tim Koopmans) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:18:28 +1100 Subject: [Wtr-development] Ideas for name of workshop In-Reply-To: <3570560154017808552@unknownmsgid> References: <3570560154017808552@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: haha woosat for sure! -- Tim On Friday, 28 October 2011 at 1:12 PM, Alister Scott wrote: > * BAT - better automated testing > * DAFT - delivering automated functional testing > * WOOSAT - workshop on open source automated testing > * OS-TAW - open source test automation workshop > * TTAT - testers talk automated testing > * PTAC - practical/pragmatic test automation conference > > > Other ideas? > > Should it be a 'workshop' or a 'conference'? > > Cheers, > > Alister Scott > Brisbane, Australia > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org (mailto:Wtr-development at rubyforge.org) > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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